I seem to recall a brief mention on the news that the Lord Protector, his holiday cottage having been discovered, had cut short his break from his labours.
So - where is he now? I think we should be told, so as to avoid the place...
Obviously, in Greece at his dad's 80th birthday party.
Well, I wondered that - will he have to go into quarantine when he returns?
I'm sure if he is in Greece and the data the UK government are using to decide on quarantine say that Greece should be added to the quarantine list this won't happen until after Mr Johnson has returned from his holiday. After all, he wouldn't let the welfare of the British people get in the way of his personal life ... not functionally different from waiting to call the lockdown until after the baby shower.
Either that or he'll come back when everyone else is quarantining, and make up some excuse that he claims means he doesn't need to. A press conference in the garden at No 10 would be a nice touch to make sure he can get away with it.
I don't think it includes holidays, but the original list of quarantine exceptions did include diplomatic trips where the urgency of the trip or the importance of the visitor was such that two weeks in quarantine would harm relations. The French used that clause for the flying trip to mark the anniversary of Charles de Gaulle's speech.
Telford It is not that you are not allowed your own opinion far from it. My opinion has clashed with others over my years on the ship. It is the fact you make statements and when challenged on them don’t back them up. They are just orphaned statements. You tell us what you think but not why,
There is a lot of good info out there to cause someone to believe Boris doesn’t want the work but the Prestige of being PM. During the time I lived in London he took the glory for projects started by other Mayors. He did very little.
If you disagree say why. That makes for a good discussion. If you believe you are right tell us why.
Telford It is not that you are not allowed your own opinion far from it. My opinion has clashed with others over my years on the ship. It is the fact you make statements and when challenged on them don’t back them up. They are just orphaned statements. You tell us what you think but not why,
There is a lot of good info out there to cause someone to believe Boris doesn’t want the work but the Prestige of being PM. During the time I lived in London he took the glory for projects started by other Mayors. He did very little.
If you disagree say why. That makes for a good discussion. If you believe you are right tell us why.
I have already said that I do not accept the evidence offered. I get the impression that Johnson is a Prime MInister who wants to govern by cabinet.
And there, ladies and gentlemen, we have a truly classic example of the Closed Mind. Observe the utter impermeability to evidence of any sort, note especially the 'I am being insulted' lettering on all the shutters.
Yes indeed, and these endearing (not) characteristics are now being found on other threads.
I think @Telford must be related to Violet Elizabeth Bott - 'I'll scream and scream and scream until I'm SICK!' (I omit the lisp, for the sake of clarity).
What part of 'He wants the privileges but not the hard bits' do you find difficult to comprehend?
You have an open public record of his failures - eg not attending COBRA meetings when the pandemic was already clearly a crisis, absenting from public briefings (unlike Nicola Sturgeon), continuing to holiday while the education system goes into meltdown - I mean what would convince you that this is someone who is incapable of stepping up to the responsibilities of his office?
This is not an open record of failures. Under previous governments it was always the case that such meetings were chaired by the relevant cabinet minister (in this case Hancock) and the outcome relayed to the PM. But if you want to compare to Sturgeon she "missed" six meetings as opposed to Johnson "missing" five. The other two points just indicate that he trusts other people to do their jobs.
If he "wants the privileges but not the hard bits" surely you'd see the opposite - he'd be claiming all the limelight while failing to do anything behind the scenes.
If you want to present irrefutable evidence of his failure etc, you'll have to do better than that.
As anyone who has read anything political I have ever posted on SoF will know, I have no love for Boris Johnson.
I agree he probably wanted his current job for the status and the money.
However, currently, I suspect that he has major post viral fatigue and new-father related sleep deprivation. He should probably be off sick, rather than working half-assed.
What part of 'He wants the privileges but not the hard bits' do you find difficult to comprehend?
You have an open public record of his failures - eg not attending COBRA meetings when the pandemic was already clearly a crisis, absenting from public briefings (unlike Nicola Sturgeon), continuing to holiday while the education system goes into meltdown - I mean what would convince you that this is someone who is incapable of stepping up to the responsibilities of his office?
This is not an open record of failures. Under previous governments it was always the case that such meetings were chaired by the relevant cabinet minister (in this case Hancock) and the outcome relayed to the PM. But if you want to compare to Sturgeon she "missed" six meetings as opposed to Johnson "missing" five. The other two points just indicate that he trusts other people to do their jobs.
If he "wants the privileges but not the hard bits" surely you'd see the opposite - he'd be claiming all the limelight while failing to do anything behind the scenes.
If you want to present irrefutable evidence of his failure etc, you'll have to do better than that.
Hurray an argument thanks Yohan300. You bring up some interesting points.
Under previous governments it was always the case that such [COBRA] meetings were chaired by the relevant cabinet minister (in this case Hancock) and the outcome relayed to the PM.
The purpose of COBRA is to coordinate actions between different government departments and agencies, providing high-level co-ordination and decision making. In any given emergency different government department will come to the fore - in this case that DHSC, PHE, NHS will be obviously in the front. COBRA can be convened by a government Minister, or even senior civil servants until Ministers can be brought into the loop. But, when the role is high-level and interdepartmental the PM is the obvious person to be taking that position of chairing the meetings when available, and would usually chair COBRA meetings. Obviously, if the PM is not available then someone else will chair these meetings, we don't currently have a deputy PM/First Secretary to do that so the role will fall on another minister - common sense suggests that it shouldn't be the Minister in charge of the lead departments as a) they're already going to be busy enough without putting more on their plate and b) coordination between departments and agencies need an independent chair to manage.
Under previous governments it was always the case that such [COBRA] meetings were chaired by the relevant cabinet minister (in this case Hancock) and the outcome relayed to the PM.
The purpose of COBRA is to coordinate actions between different government departments and agencies, providing high-level co-ordination and decision making. In any given emergency different government department will come to the fore - in this case that DHSC, PHE, NHS will be obviously in the front. COBRA can be convened by a government Minister, or even senior civil servants until Ministers can be brought into the loop. But, when the role is high-level and interdepartmental the PM is the obvious person to be taking that position of chairing the meetings when available, and would usually chair COBRA meetings. Obviously, if the PM is not available then someone else will chair these meetings, we don't currently have a deputy PM/First Secretary to do that so the role will fall on another minister - common sense suggests that it shouldn't be the Minister in charge of the lead departments as a) they're already going to be busy enough without putting more on their plate and b) coordination between departments and agencies need an independent chair to manage.
We can go down a rabbit hole now on the history and purposes of COBRA meetings. However we don't need to do that to ascertain that whether the PM or anyone else did or did not attend particular meetings is not evidence of their competence, leadership or ability to do their job.
As anyone who has read anything political I have ever posted on SoF will know, I have no love for Boris Johnson.
I agree he probably wanted his current job for the status and the money.
However, currently, I suspect that he has major post viral fatigue and new-father related sleep deprivation. He should probably be off sick, rather than working half-assed.
Carrie Symonds has released a photo of them which looks like a three generation photo - like a baby with its mother and grandfather.
Obviously, he is old enough to be her father, but the age gap looks bigger than that. Partially, it's because she's in shorts and looks a young 32, but he just looks exhausted and older than 56. The North East Man is 56 and I'd be worried if he looked like that.
And there, ladies and gentlemen, we have a truly classic example of the Closed Mind. Observe the utter impermeability to evidence of any sort, note especially the 'I am being insulted' lettering on all the shutters.
If you are looking for closed minds, look elsewhere
As anyone who has read anything political I have ever posted on SoF will know, I have no love for Boris Johnson.
I agree he probably wanted his current job for the status and the money.
However, currently, I suspect that he has major post viral fatigue and new-father related sleep deprivation. He should probably be off sick, rather than working half-assed.
Carrie Symonds has released a photo of them which looks like a three generation photo - like a baby with its mother and grandfather.
Obviously, he is old enough to be her father, but the age gap looks bigger than that. Partially, it's because she's in shorts and looks a young 32, but he just looks exhausted and older than 56. The North East Man is 56 and I'd be worried if he looked like that.
Yes. Time he went on extended sick leave (aka resignation), in fairness to Carrie and Wilfred, if not to the rest of us as well...
Frankly, if he admitted honestly that he really doesn't feel fit enough for the job, no-one would think any the worse of him.
I'm honestly uncomfortable about going for anyone's age, especially Johnson's. He's a complete fuck-up, but he always has been. At 20, 30, 40, and now 50. Age doesn't come into it.
I'm honestly uncomfortable about going for anyone's age, especially Johnson's. He's a complete fuck-up, but he always has been. At 20, 30, 40, and now 50. Age doesn't come into it.
However, currently, I suspect that he has major post viral fatigue and new-father related sleep deprivation. He should probably be off sick, rather than working half-assed.
I'm honestly uncomfortable about going for anyone's age, especially Johnson's. He's a complete fuck-up, but he always has been. At 20, 30, 40, and now 50. Age doesn't come into it.
How did such a man become Prime Minister?
Privilege, entitlement, cons, spurious claims and undeliverable promises. Plus Brexshit.
I'm honestly uncomfortable about going for anyone's age, especially Johnson's. He's a complete fuck-up, but he always has been. At 20, 30, 40, and now 50. Age doesn't come into it.
How did such a man become Prime Minister?
Privilege, entitlement, cons, spurious claims and undeliverable promises. Plus Brexshit.
Lots of would be Prime Ministers have the first two.
I'm honestly uncomfortable about going for anyone's age, especially Johnson's. He's a complete fuck-up, but he always has been. At 20, 30, 40, and now 50. Age doesn't come into it.
How did such a man become Prime Minister?
Privilege, entitlement, cons, spurious claims and undeliverable promises. Plus Brexshit.
I'm honestly uncomfortable about going for anyone's age, especially Johnson's. He's a complete fuck-up, but he always has been. At 20, 30, 40, and now 50. Age doesn't come into it.
How did such a man become Prime Minister?
Privilege, entitlement, cons, spurious claims and undeliverable promises. Plus Brexshit.
I think being a former journalist, and thus getting a gentler ride from certain sections of the press definitely went a long way.
Yes, perhaps, but don't forget that Blair won by a landslide in 1997...
I know it all went pear-shaped later, but maybe next time Labour will get it correct.
The problem is that the intervening 10 years has seen the running down of state capacity, this isn't likely to improve -- especially if there isn't any opposition to actual policy.
So Labour would enter government even less able to make significant changes than Blair was in 1997.
But Boris does have one achievement to his credit as Mayor of Lodon - I believe the Emirates Air Line cableway across th Thames is entirely down to him. So useful.
Hmm. Not so, as it seems that our Great Leader once again told fibs, and it was down to Emirates Air Lines to do the job.
From Wikipedia: There [was] criticism of the project's £24 million-plus cost to taxpayers, caused by a budget overrun. Boris Johnson, the former Mayor of London, [had] said the cost of the scheme would not be underwritten by taxpayers.
Still, at £60 million, it was a worthwhile enterprise. Wikipedia notes (without conscious irony) that, owing to the pandemic, the service has been suspended(sic) since March...
Yes, but we're talking about the Labour party, which has only been extreme left in the fevered imaginations of the far right press.
What is "extreme left" is another function of the Overton window. From where Telford stands, Mr. Corbyn is "extreme left", and everyone to the left of Mr. Corbyn is off in la-la land somewhere.
Yes, but we're talking about the Labour party, which has only been extreme left in the fevered imaginations of the far right press.
What is "extreme left" is another function of the Overton window. From where Telford stands, Mr. Corbyn is "extreme left", and everyone to the left of Mr. Corbyn is off in la-la land somewhere.
The only person to the left of Corbyn is buried in Highgate cemetary
Yes, but we're talking about the Labour party, which has only been extreme left in the fevered imaginations of the far right press.
What is "extreme left" is another function of the Overton window. From where Telford stands, Mr. Corbyn is "extreme left", and everyone to the left of Mr. Corbyn is off in la-la land somewhere.
The only person to the left of Corbyn is buried in Highgate cemetary
Yes, but we're talking about the Labour party, which has only been extreme left in the fevered imaginations of the far right press.
What is "extreme left" is another function of the Overton window. From where Telford stands, Mr. Corbyn is "extreme left", and everyone to the left of Mr. Corbyn is off in la-la land somewhere.
The only person to the left of Corbyn is buried in Highgate cemetary
Half the governments in Europe are to the left of Corbyn.
The link takes you to a sarcastic Guardian piece about the PM who likes to hide and holiday.
Absolutely nailed it.
My favourite line:
"Mind of a show pony, body of a Shetland pony."
Now, I thought that was unduly harsh. Shetland ponies are tough, perfectly adapted to survival in the Shetland climate. They can haul twice their own body weight and carry a full-grown human (draught horses can only haul about half their own body weight). Comparing the Mad Mophead to them is giving him too much credit.
The link takes you to a sarcastic Guardian piece about the PM who likes to hide and holiday.
Absolutely nailed it.
My favourite line:
"Mind of a show pony, body of a Shetland pony."
Now, I thought that was unduly harsh. Shetland ponies are tough, perfectly adapted to survival in the Shetland climate. They can haul twice their own body weight and carry a full-grown human (draught horses can only haul about half their own body weight). Comparing the Mad Mophead to them is giving him too much credit.
Yes, but we're talking about the Labour party, which has only been extreme left in the fevered imaginations of the far right press.
What is "extreme left" is another function of the Overton window. From where Telford stands, Mr. Corbyn is "extreme left", and everyone to the left of Mr. Corbyn is off in la-la land somewhere.
The only person to the left of Corbyn is buried in Highgate cemetary
Aaaaaaand we're back to unsubstantiated bollocks.
Are you suggesting that I am wrong about the cemetary ?
Yes, but we're talking about the Labour party, which has only been extreme left in the fevered imaginations of the far right press.
What is "extreme left" is another function of the Overton window. From where Telford stands, Mr. Corbyn is "extreme left", and everyone to the left of Mr. Corbyn is off in la-la land somewhere.
The only person to the left of Corbyn is buried in Highgate cemetary
Half the governments in Europe are to the left of Corbyn.
I understand that Corbyn is a total hero to many on here so I will not bother to ask for details
Yes, but we're talking about the Labour party, which has only been extreme left in the fevered imaginations of the far right press.
What is "extreme left" is another function of the Overton window. From where Telford stands, Mr. Corbyn is "extreme left", and everyone to the left of Mr. Corbyn is off in la-la land somewhere.
The only person to the left of Corbyn is buried in Highgate cemetary
Aaaaaaand we're back to unsubstantiated bollocks.
Are you suggesting that I am wrong about the cemetary ?
I'm not going to give you the satisfaction of playing the victim here by giving you the benefit of the doubt that this incredibly stupid question is a genuine response which could only come from an incredibly stupid person.
Yes, but we're talking about the Labour party, which has only been extreme left in the fevered imaginations of the far right press.
What is "extreme left" is another function of the Overton window. From where Telford stands, Mr. Corbyn is "extreme left", and everyone to the left of Mr. Corbyn is off in la-la land somewhere.
The only person to the left of Corbyn is buried in Highgate cemetary
Aaaaaaand we're back to unsubstantiated bollocks.
Are you suggesting that I am wrong about the cemetary ?
Yes, but we're talking about the Labour party, which has only been extreme left in the fevered imaginations of the far right press.
What is "extreme left" is another function of the Overton window. From where Telford stands, Mr. Corbyn is "extreme left", and everyone to the left of Mr. Corbyn is off in la-la land somewhere.
The only person to the left of Corbyn is buried in Highgate cemetary
Half the governments in Europe are to the left of Corbyn.
I understand that Corbyn is a total hero to many on here so I will not bother to ask for details
If Telford would like to give examples of policies Corbyn has espoused that are to the left of Harold Wilson we'll stand corrected.
The important thing is that the British voters were happy to trust Wilson on 4 occasions and Corbyn is only popular in Islington.
That the UK has lurched to the right and the media even more so over the last 40 years is news to no-one. That does not, however, make a moderate democratic socialist like Corbyn "extreme left".
If Telford would like to give examples of policies Corbyn has espoused that are to the left of Harold Wilson we'll stand corrected.
The important thing is that the British voters were happy to trust Wilson on 4 occasions and Corbyn is only popular in Islington.
Will you please learn to answer the questions put to you? Even politicians mange to do that every now and then. This constant shifting of goal posts makes any sort of discussion with you absolutely impossible.
For the record, on your claim that Labour policies under Jeremy Corbyn are "extreme left wing" you were asked for examples that are to the left of Harold Wilson.
You were not asked whether the policies of the Wilson government would still be acceptable to the UK electorate. Nor were you asked whether the UK electorate trusted Corbyn, or whether he's sufficiently popular.
1) Everyone knows you're referring to Karl Marx. No one is questioning the simple fact that Marx is buried in a famous London cemetery.
2) You will find a very wide range of views on here about Mr Corbyn from big supporters (I know at least one), to those who think he’s responsible for both Brexit and Johnson's success. I, personally have some significant issues with Corbyn but was a 'supporter,' purely because I (very accurately) predicted what a Johnson government would look like. Personal perspectives on Corbyn and not pertinent.
3) Corbyn's policy positions were mainstream left in both European terms and historical British terms (pre-1980).
Thus, UNLESS YOU CARE TO PROVIDE SOME EVIDENCE TO BACK UP YOUR ASSERTION, the idea that Corbyn is just to the right of Marx, is just nonsense. (No matter how proud you might be by the clever way you phrased it).
The irony is that there is a real discussion to be had here. Namely that some people argue the reason we have the ignorant buffoon as PM is that Corbyn was (in the minds of much of electorate) an even worse choice. FWIW I don't think that's either true (that Corbyn would have been worse) nor a decisive factor in the election - that was Brexit.
But you see, all of that's beside the point because:
a) If we accept the hypothesis that However bad Johnson is, at least he's not Corbyn that is the worst possible excuse for the abject failure of Johnson in essentially every aspect of his role as PM.
and b) You have provided literally no justification for that hypothesis other than the assertion that "Corbyn is a Marxist." You want to run with that? fine. Show us some evidence to support that.
The reason for the ire in response to your posts is not that people love Corbyn (that's a minority here*) is that you keep stating the same thing and then not backing it up when being challenged on it.
It's really simple: You want to argue that whatever anyone might write on this thread about Johnson's failures, we could be much worse off if he'd lost the election? Go ahead, just provide some support for that argument.
Although you'd also have to go further and explain how that's an excuse for ineptitude, as well.
The passive-aggressive nonsense cuts no ice.
AFZ
*I suspect no-one here actually 'loves-Corbyn' so much as passionately agrees with his policy platform.
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I don't think it includes holidays, but the original list of quarantine exceptions did include diplomatic trips where the urgency of the trip or the importance of the visitor was such that two weeks in quarantine would harm relations. The French used that clause for the flying trip to mark the anniversary of Charles de Gaulle's speech.
There is a lot of good info out there to cause someone to believe Boris doesn’t want the work but the Prestige of being PM. During the time I lived in London he took the glory for projects started by other Mayors. He did very little.
If you disagree say why. That makes for a good discussion. If you believe you are right tell us why.
I have already said that I do not accept the evidence offered. I get the impression that Johnson is a Prime MInister who wants to govern by cabinet.
I think @Telford must be related to Violet Elizabeth Bott - 'I'll scream and scream and scream until I'm SICK!' (I omit the lisp, for the sake of clarity).
This is not an open record of failures. Under previous governments it was always the case that such meetings were chaired by the relevant cabinet minister (in this case Hancock) and the outcome relayed to the PM. But if you want to compare to Sturgeon she "missed" six meetings as opposed to Johnson "missing" five. The other two points just indicate that he trusts other people to do their jobs.
If he "wants the privileges but not the hard bits" surely you'd see the opposite - he'd be claiming all the limelight while failing to do anything behind the scenes.
If you want to present irrefutable evidence of his failure etc, you'll have to do better than that.
I agree he probably wanted his current job for the status and the money.
However, currently, I suspect that he has major post viral fatigue and new-father related sleep deprivation. He should probably be off sick, rather than working half-assed.
Hurray an argument thanks Yohan300. You bring up some interesting points.
We can go down a rabbit hole now on the history and purposes of COBRA meetings. However we don't need to do that to ascertain that whether the PM or anyone else did or did not attend particular meetings is not evidence of their competence, leadership or ability to do their job.
Carrie Symonds has released a photo of them which looks like a three generation photo - like a baby with its mother and grandfather.
Obviously, he is old enough to be her father, but the age gap looks bigger than that. Partially, it's because she's in shorts and looks a young 32, but he just looks exhausted and older than 56. The North East Man is 56 and I'd be worried if he looked like that.
If you are looking for closed minds, look elsewhere
Yes. Time he went on extended sick leave (aka resignation), in fairness to Carrie and Wilfred, if not to the rest of us as well...
Frankly, if he admitted honestly that he really doesn't feel fit enough for the job, no-one would think any the worse of him.
How did such a man become Prime Minister?
Privilege, entitlement, cons, spurious claims and undeliverable promises. Plus Brexshit.
Lots of would be Prime Ministers have the first two.
You missed out The Will Of The People™...
I think being a former journalist, and thus getting a gentler ride from certain sections of the press definitely went a long way.
Interestingly, that gentler ride is now becoming a bit less gentle...
That's because they see no threat from a Starmer government - he won't do anything that would curb their wealth and power.
Cor blimey, this is a bit radical, but probably correct. Blair Mk 2.
I know it all went pear-shaped later, but maybe next time Labour will get it correct.
The problem is that the intervening 10 years has seen the running down of state capacity, this isn't likely to improve -- especially if there isn't any opposition to actual policy.
So Labour would enter government even less able to make significant changes than Blair was in 1997.
But it would be good if Labour at least got a chance...
From Wikipedia:
There [was] criticism of the project's £24 million-plus cost to taxpayers, caused by a budget overrun. Boris Johnson, the former Mayor of London, [had] said the cost of the scheme would not be underwritten by taxpayers.
Still, at £60 million, it was a worthwhile enterprise. Wikipedia notes (without conscious irony) that, owing to the pandemic, the service has been suspended (sic) since March...
If the extreme left wing can get the people to vote them in, so be it.
Sir Keir appears to be a far safer bet.
Yes, but we're talking about the Labour party, which has only been extreme left in the fevered imaginations of the far right press.
What is "extreme left" is another function of the Overton window. From where Telford stands, Mr. Corbyn is "extreme left", and everyone to the left of Mr. Corbyn is off in la-la land somewhere.
plus Jeremy Corbyn, John McDonnell and all their Momentum chums
The only person to the left of Corbyn is buried in Highgate cemetary
Aaaaaaand we're back to unsubstantiated bollocks.
Half the governments in Europe are to the left of Corbyn.
Now, I thought that was unduly harsh. Shetland ponies are tough, perfectly adapted to survival in the Shetland climate. They can haul twice their own body weight and carry a full-grown human (draught horses can only haul about half their own body weight). Comparing the Mad Mophead to them is giving him too much credit.
Fair point.
You told me you didn’t think the Nordic model was extreme left, now your saying it is - which is true ?
Are you suggesting that I am wrong about the cemetary ?
I understand that Corbyn is a total hero to many on here so I will not bother to ask for details The important thing is that the British voters were happy to trust Wilson on 4 occasions and Corbyn is only popular in Islington.
I don't think so. I would not refer to 'The Nordic model'.
I'm not going to give you the satisfaction of playing the victim here by giving you the benefit of the doubt that this incredibly stupid question is a genuine response which could only come from an incredibly stupid person.
You know exactly what I mean.
My apologies, I’d confused you with @Russ: this is the Nordic model https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model
That the UK has lurched to the right and the media even more so over the last 40 years is news to no-one. That does not, however, make a moderate democratic socialist like Corbyn "extreme left".
For the record, on your claim that Labour policies under Jeremy Corbyn are "extreme left wing" you were asked for examples that are to the left of Harold Wilson.
You were not asked whether the policies of the Wilson government would still be acceptable to the UK electorate. Nor were you asked whether the UK electorate trusted Corbyn, or whether he's sufficiently popular.
Stop with the passive-aggressive nonsense.
1) Everyone knows you're referring to Karl Marx. No one is questioning the simple fact that Marx is buried in a famous London cemetery.
2) You will find a very wide range of views on here about Mr Corbyn from big supporters (I know at least one), to those who think he’s responsible for both Brexit and Johnson's success. I, personally have some significant issues with Corbyn but was a 'supporter,' purely because I (very accurately) predicted what a Johnson government would look like. Personal perspectives on Corbyn and not pertinent.
3) Corbyn's policy positions were mainstream left in both European terms and historical British terms (pre-1980).
Thus, UNLESS YOU CARE TO PROVIDE SOME EVIDENCE TO BACK UP YOUR ASSERTION, the idea that Corbyn is just to the right of Marx, is just nonsense. (No matter how proud you might be by the clever way you phrased it).
The irony is that there is a real discussion to be had here. Namely that some people argue the reason we have the ignorant buffoon as PM is that Corbyn was (in the minds of much of electorate) an even worse choice. FWIW I don't think that's either true (that Corbyn would have been worse) nor a decisive factor in the election - that was Brexit.
But you see, all of that's beside the point because:
a) If we accept the hypothesis that However bad Johnson is, at least he's not Corbyn that is the worst possible excuse for the abject failure of Johnson in essentially every aspect of his role as PM.
and b) You have provided literally no justification for that hypothesis other than the assertion that "Corbyn is a Marxist." You want to run with that? fine. Show us some evidence to support that.
The reason for the ire in response to your posts is not that people love Corbyn (that's a minority here*) is that you keep stating the same thing and then not backing it up when being challenged on it.
It's really simple: You want to argue that whatever anyone might write on this thread about Johnson's failures, we could be much worse off if he'd lost the election? Go ahead, just provide some support for that argument.
Although you'd also have to go further and explain how that's an excuse for ineptitude, as well.
The passive-aggressive nonsense cuts no ice.
AFZ
*I suspect no-one here actually 'loves-Corbyn' so much as passionately agrees with his policy platform.
Edit: X-posted with Alan