then there's this guy: Jerry Falwell junior

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-falwell-relationship/

Is there something special about him. Or something special about a certain variety of evangelicals?
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  • jay_emmjay_emm Shipmate
    That wasn't what I expected. Given his stated views, I thought it was a dead cert he was more active...
  • Goodness - Trump knows some Really Good People, Great People, doesn't he?

    Ewww....
  • Goodness - Trump knows some Really Good People, Great People, doesn't he?

    Ewww....

    "The best people"
  • O yes - sorry - I forgot that bit...
    :innocent:
  • This comes on the tail of a bunch of bizarre interactions and leaks from him on social media.
  • OhherOhher Shipmate
    This comes on the tail of a bunch of bizarre interactions and leaks from him on social media.

    Er, to which "him" do you refer?
  • CrœsosCrœsos Shipmate
    edited August 2020
    It's not just the sex and the hypocrisy, there's also the fraud. In addition to Mr. and Mrs. Falwell enjoying hotwife/cuck play with a variety of buff young men, apparently they'd fly these young men places and give them money/property out of what seems to be charitable/non-profit donations. (As far as I know Falwell has no access to funds that don't ultimately come from Liberty University or Falwell-controlled charities.)

    So the sex is a matter between Jerry Falwell, Jr., Becki Falwell, and whatever "special guest stars" they want to include, providing everyone is a consenting adult.

    The hypocrisy is between Falwell and anyone who trusted him to instill moral values to their kids at his mis-named university (or anyone else who regarded him as a moral exemplar).

    The fraud, on the other hand, is a matter between Falwell, his various donors, and the IRS. "Fun" fact: If you use tax-exempt donation money to buy your wife's latest boy toy a youth hostel, it counts as tax fraud.
    Goodness - Trump knows some Really Good People, Great People, doesn't he?

    Trump's fixer, Michael Cohen, allegedly "fixed" stuff for the Falwells too. Maybe a stash of incriminating/embarrassing photos would explain Jerry Falwell, Jr.'s enthusiastic embrace of Trump in 2016.
  • Ohher wrote: »
    This comes on the tail of a bunch of bizarre interactions and leaks from him on social media.

    Er, to which "him" do you refer?

    Falwell Jr.
  • How different from the home life of our own dear Queen...
  • As far as we're allowed to know...
  • Quite.
    :fearful:
  • SipechSipech Shipmate
    https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-falwell-relationship/

    Is there something special about him. Or something special about a certain variety of evangelicals?
    To paraphrase The Shawshank Redemption: American conservatives rule by fear and force. It's all they want and understand. To be an evangelical, you have to be christian first. They don't qualify.



  • CrœsosCrœsos Shipmate
    Via Twitter:
    Jonathan Merritt
    BREAKING: Three sources affiliated with the @LibertyU
    board of trustees and administration tell me that Jerry Falwell Jr has just submitted his resignation. Developing...

    24 August 2020

    Write your own joke about there being three sources.
  • To paraphrase, Cherchez le garçon de cabane. I did laugh aloud about Granda (truth in advertising? Inquiring minds... ) wanting to negotiate out of a business relationship.

    (Translation notes. Cf., in such matters, Cherchez la femme - Look for the woman; my paraphrase, Look for the cabana boy.)

    I really don't care what people get up to in their off hours, so long as they're not spending their on hours judging what other people get up to in their off hours. Had it been Larry from accounting, Betty from the hospital, and Giancarlo their cabana boy, I wouldn't care. It's not the Falwell's 'celebrity' that commands my attention - it's the rank hypocrisy with which they indulge in the sort of behaviour they condemn publicly and thereby have a negative impact on the lives of others.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    Goodness - Trump knows some Really Good People, Great People, doesn't he?

    Ewww....

    "The best people"

    This is another one of those cases of something being attributed to Trump that's really just a coninuation of the Republican standard operating procedure. Falwell sr. was an enthusiastic ally of past Republican presidents going back to Reagan in the 1980s. Though I think Trump's connection with junior is viewed as being a little more personal.
  • Breaking news, Trump says he has never met Falwell.
  • Dave WDave W Shipmate
    For some reason I feel compelled to share this delightful SNL musical number.
  • Breaking news, Trump says he has never met Falwell.

    There have got to be photos to disprove this.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    mousethief wrote: »
    Breaking news, Trump says he has never met Falwell.

    There have got to be photos to disprove this.

    I was wondering if quetzcoatl's post was some sort of joke making the rounds. Because, yes, there certainly are photos of Falwell and Trump together, most notoriously the one with the Playboy cover in the background.

  • "Oh, what a tangled web ..."
  • LydaLyda Shipmate
    stetson wrote: »
    mousethief wrote: »
    Breaking news, Trump says he has never met Falwell.

    There have got to be photos to disprove this.

    I was wondering if quetzcoatl's post was some sort of joke making the rounds. Because, yes, there certainly are photos of Falwell and Trump together, most notoriously the one with the Playboy cover in the background.

    This one? https://tinyurl.com/y42ehc7o
  • Lyda wrote: »
    stetson wrote: »
    mousethief wrote: »
    Breaking news, Trump says he has never met Falwell.

    There have got to be photos to disprove this.

    I was wondering if quetzcoatl's post was some sort of joke making the rounds. Because, yes, there certainly are photos of Falwell and Trump together, most notoriously the one with the Playboy cover in the background.

    This one? https://tinyurl.com/y42ehc7o

    I dunno. If I were a pool boy I think I might go to the room next door.
  • mousethief wrote: »
    Breaking news, Trump says he has never met Falwell.

    There have got to be photos to disprove this.

    Sorry, meant to be a joke.
  • Yes, but (alas) a report of T denying all knowledge of F is just about credible...
    :flushed:
  • Things were so much simpler in the old days.
  • CrœsosCrœsos Shipmate
    Falwell, Jr.'s replacement at Liberty University has been named. It seems like a case of changing the names but nothing else. (Well, presumably there will be fewer three-ways, but in terms of campus policy nothing is likely to change.)
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    Lyda wrote: »
    stetson wrote: »
    mousethief wrote: »
    Breaking news, Trump says he has never met Falwell.

    There have got to be photos to disprove this.

    I was wondering if quetzcoatl's post was some sort of joke making the rounds. Because, yes, there certainly are photos of Falwell and Trump together, most notoriously the one with the Playboy cover in the background.

    This one? https://tinyurl.com/y42ehc7o

    Yep, that's the one.

    In fairness, I suppose, Falwell sr. ended up doing a lecture tour with his erstwhile nemesis Larry Flynt(look it up on YouTube), so there's apparently a precedent at Liberty Baptist for open socializing with porn-affiliated individuals.

  • How different from the home life of our own dear Queen...

    However, the home life of the Duke of York may be a different matter.
  • Dave WDave W Shipmate
    Crœsos wrote: »
    Falwell, Jr.'s replacement at Liberty University has been named. It seems like a case of changing the names but nothing else. (Well, presumably there will be fewer three-ways, but in terms of campus policy nothing is likely to change.)
    I'm not sure it counts as a three-way if one person is just watching.
  • Dave W wrote: »
    Crœsos wrote: »
    Falwell, Jr.'s replacement at Liberty University has been named. It seems like a case of changing the names but nothing else. (Well, presumably there will be fewer three-ways, but in terms of campus policy nothing is likely to change.)
    I'm not sure it counts as a three-way if one person is just watching.

    LOL ...
    However ... remember Heisenberg ...
  • CrœsosCrœsos Shipmate
    edited August 2020
    Dave W wrote: »
    Crœsos wrote: »
    Falwell, Jr.'s replacement at Liberty University has been named. It seems like a case of changing the names but nothing else. (Well, presumably there will be fewer three-ways, but in terms of campus policy nothing is likely to change.)
    I'm not sure it counts as a three-way if one person is just watching.
    LOL ...
    However ... remember Heisenberg ...

    If you have the position you don't have the momentum, and if you have the energy you don't have the time? Seems applicable.

    And every time you start to feel a little bit sorry for Jerry Falwell, Jr. he reminds you of what a tool he is.
    Jerry Falwell Jr. just confirmed to me he has submitted his resignation to Liberty’s board.

    “It’s a relief,” he said. “The quote that keeps going through my mind this morning is Martin Luther Ling Jr: ‘free at last, free at last, thank God almighty I’m free at last.
  • I used to listen to Rev. Dr. Jerry Falwell, Sr. on occasion out of morbid curiosity ... He was Senior Pastor of Thomas Road Baptist Church before he began his "Liberty University" ... In virtually EVERY sermon, at some point, he would solemnly pronounce, " ... and this dis-proves evolution ..." ... *sigh*shrug* ...

    Later, during the Fundamentalist Preacher Scandals, he was asked o assume temporary leadership of "Heritage USA" after Jim and Tammy Bakker got caught in some $$fraud$$$ ...

    At first, the plan/hope was to have Brother Jimmy Swaggart do that duty but he famously declined, "I'm not in the water slide business ..." (and of course Brother Swaggart got caught dallying with hookers
  • LydaLyda Shipmate
    Being an evangelical leader seems to have similar perils to being with the internet grammar police: when you call people out on their transgressions you are the next one to get caught using a double negative/get caught with a cabana boy.
  • All very reminiscent of the Iris Robinson thing; former DUP MA Peter Robinson's wife, herself a former MP, I think, and of course being Northern Ireland, true Bibul-believers, proclaiming the Orange Faith. She had only just got over salivating - sorry, fulminating about the sinfulness of de gayz when it turned out she'd been sharing her conjugal favours with a 19 year old toy-boy. Cue repentance narrative, tears and all the usual crap associated with this now familiar scenario.

    It seems two unattached adults committing to each other for a monogamous loving relationship = God angry, because they happen to be of the same sex. But adulterous screwing about with a teenage lad = God not so angry, because at least the jigsaw pieces are apparently more biologically lined up. Also an incident strangely lacking in the kind of placarding and protests one gets used to when Christians like to protest about the kind of sex that they don't approve of. One might almost be tempted to think that some kind of double standard was in operation.

  • I'd missed that story, Anselmina. I guess the Simon and Garfunkel jokes flew thick and fast.
  • :lol: It took me a couple of seconds to get the S & G reference... :wink:

    As @Anselmina says 'Cue repentance narrative, tears and all the usual crap associated with this now familiar scenario.'

    Do they still think people are fool enough to believe them?

    Yes, they do - because some people are fool enough...
    :disappointed:
  • Lyda wrote: »
    Being an evangelical leader seems to have similar perils to being with the internet grammar police: when you call people out on their transgressions you are the next one to get caught using a double negative/get caught with a cabana boy.

    Caught using both. [blushing emoji]
  • What? Two negatives? Is Outrage!
    :wink:
  • Are double negatives a dirty sex thing?
  • I never goes with nobody, so I dunno...

    I'll get me coat, wot I ain't not seen not this week...
  • I never goes with nobody, so I dunno...

    I'll get me coat, wot I ain't not seen not this week...

    May I gently suggest that, given the frequency with which you need to get your coat, you might be best advised not to take it off in the first place?
  • I don't not need no advice from you, mate...not nohow...

    (Sorry - silly tangent time...).

    *ahem*

    Back to the subject of the thread, and the egregious denizens of Evo-Land across the Pond, I still find it hard to credit that anyone with a brain-cell or two actually trusts in, or believes, what they say and preach.

    How many cases like this will it take before the penny drops? I suppose that even if you realise that you've been fooled - to the extent, perhaps, of parting with a lot of $$$ - it's hard to admit that you've been conned...
  • I don't not need no advice from you, mate...not nohow...

    (Sorry - silly tangent time...).

    *ahem*

    Back to the subject of the thread, and the egregious denizens of Evo-Land across the Pond, I still find it hard to credit that anyone with a brain-cell or two actually trusts in, or believes, what they say and preach.

    How many cases like this will it take before the penny drops? I suppose that even if you realise that you've been fooled - to the extent, perhaps, of parting with a lot of $$$ - it's hard to admit that you've been conned...

    It's called "cognitive dissonance" ...
  • So it is, I suppose.
    :disappointed:
  • CrœsosCrœsos Shipmate
    Back to the subject of the thread, and the egregious denizens of Evo-Land across the Pond, I still find it hard to credit that anyone with a brain-cell or two actually trusts in, or believes, what they say and preach.

    How many cases like this will it take before the penny drops? I suppose that even if you realise that you've been fooled - to the extent, perhaps, of parting with a lot of $$$ - it's hard to admit that you've been conned...

    It's called "cognitive dissonance" ...

    No, it's called not caring. At its root American white evangelicalism* is about white patriarchy. The rules and restrictions espoused by such people are not meant to apply to people like Jerry Falwell, Junior or Senior. Give it about six months of Falwell in the wilderness and he'll be invited back.


    *Evangelicals who see their evangelicalism through the lens of their whiteness, not evangelicals who happen to be white, though it should be noted that the majority of American evangelicals who happen to be white also see their evangelicalism through the lens of their whiteness.
  • Crœsos wrote: »
    Falwell, Jr.'s replacement at Liberty University has been named. It seems like a case of changing the names but nothing else. (Well, presumably there will be fewer three-ways, but in terms of campus policy nothing is likely to change.)
    To be clear, that’s an immediate, temporary replacement. Not that I hold high hopes for any permanent replacement.

    Crœsos wrote: »
    And every time you start to feel a little bit sorry for Jerry Falwell, Jr. he reminds you of what a tool he is.
    Jerry Falwell Jr. just confirmed to me he has submitted his resignation to Liberty’s board.

    “It’s a relief,” he said. “The quote that keeps going through my mind this morning is Martin Luther Ling Jr: ‘free at last, free at last, thank God almighty I’m free at last.
    I’m afraid I haven’t been too tempted at all to feel sorry for him. But I have to admit that his abhorrent misuse of that quote strengthens my suspicion that he wanted to be caught and that he wanted out of the mold Daddy set for him.

  • Crœsos wrote: »
    Back to the subject of the thread, and the egregious denizens of Evo-Land across the Pond, I still find it hard to credit that anyone with a brain-cell or two actually trusts in, or believes, what they say and preach.

    How many cases like this will it take before the penny drops? I suppose that even if you realise that you've been fooled - to the extent, perhaps, of parting with a lot of $$$ - it's hard to admit that you've been conned...

    It's called "cognitive dissonance" ...

    No, it's called not caring. At its root American white evangelicalism* is about white patriarchy. The rules and restrictions espoused by such people are not meant to apply to people like Jerry Falwell, Junior or Senior. Give it about six months of Falwell in the wilderness and he'll be invited back.


    *Evangelicals who see their evangelicalism through the lens of their whiteness, not evangelicals who happen to be white, though it should be noted that the majority of American evangelicals who happen to be white also see their evangelicalism through the lens of their whiteness.

    I have known many many American "Evangelicals" through several decades ...
    They're NOT all "white" and into "white-ness" a part of their faith (although many ARE) ...

    I've followed The Falwell Phenomena for a long time
    that THAT isn't entirely about "white"-ness either ...
    It IS very much about a world view deeply held
    and a theology -- Independent Fundamental Baptist ...
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    As usual Media plays its part. People only see what is reported. They draw opinion from that
  • Could be cognitive dissonance - could be not caring - could be lots of reasons, but why are so many people taken in by these charlatans?
    :confused:
  • Could be cognitive dissonance - could be not caring - could be lots of reasons, but why are so many people taken in by these charlatans?
    :confused:

    I thought it means they can enjoy a fantasy world, preferable to ordinary reality. See under Brexit, or MAGA.
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