I wouldn't trust Boris to oversee the sale of ready to eat shellfish on Cromer seafront on a sole proprietor basis, let alone deal with regulation of medicines...
It's not necessary for a Prime Minister to know everything and do everything.
It is, however, very useful if they are capable of listening to and, just as importantly, understanding advice from people who do know and can do the things that need doing.
It's also very useful if the PM can pick Cabinet ministers who know things and can do stuff (well, other than being able to cock it up).
I wouldn't trust Boris to oversee the sale of ready to eat shellfish on Cromer seafront on a sole proprietor basis, let alone deal with regulation of medicines...
It's not necessary for a Prime Minister to know everything and do everything.
No, and it's not necessary for a poster on SoF to know what "wouldn't trust him to run a whelk stall" means, but it helps to know that it doesn't imply that their talents actually lie in more important fields.
I wouldn't trust Boris to oversee the sale of ready to eat shellfish on Cromer seafront on a sole proprietor basis, let alone deal with regulation of medicines...
It's not necessary for a Prime Minister to know everything and do everything.
No, and it's not necessary for a poster on SoF to know what "wouldn't trust him to run a whelk stall" means, but it helps to know that it doesn't imply that their talents actually lie in more important fields.
You are the first poster to refer to a whelk stall
Well it has been coming. The Tory ship has had no one at the tiller for awhile. This is looking very similar to last days of Mrs May.
Yes, but a worrying thought occurs - who is to take on the unenviable job of skipper when the Lord Protector is thrown overboard? The present Cabinet doesn't exactly inspire with confidence...
Well it has been coming. The Tory ship has had no one at the tiller for awhile. This is looking very similar to last days of Mrs May.
Yes, but a worrying thought occurs - who is to take on the unenviable job of skipper when the Lord Protector is thrown overboard? The present Cabinet doesn't exactly inspire with confidence...
The person who makes reference to a subject's unsuitability for running one generally is.
Are you going anywhere with this or have you been on the pop or something?
Do you score points for attacking me for no particular reason ?
No you are posting in Hell. It is the way things are done. How many times must we say this?
As many times as you like. There is nothing in the rules of Hell that forbid me from speaking my mind
No but you signed up to this. You knew what it was like. You know the way things work. I tried hard, but you are still derailing threads and making it about you. So here is another way be who will scroll past your comments in Hell.
At the moment it only appears possible for Johnson getting thrown overboard when the evidence for the total disaster of Brexit becomes undeniable to the vast majority, including the majority of Tories. At which point the current Cabinet become irrelevant, as they're in post because they're True Believers™ in Brexit rather than any particular ability in what they're doing. At that point the options for the Conservative Party would be a) continue with the current vision for Brexit (and, become increasingly irrelevant and unelectable - and the Conservatives will never permit that), b) find a leadership offering a different version of Brexit (something with much closer ties to the EU, possibly even re-entering the single market and customs union with something similar to the arrangement Norway has) or, even c) go with a "Get Brexit Undone" leadership.
During the last days of Mrs May they didn't have a majority so an election was more or less inevitable. Now it would be just changing one useless leader for another, maybe slightly less useless, but still with pretty much the same ideas. If it was Gove we'd still be stuck with Cummings so no change. Sunak is very photo-genic but doubt he could really do the job. Hunt, God help us.
The person who makes reference to a subject's unsuitability for running one generally is.
Are you going anywhere with this or have you been on the pop or something?
Do you score points for attacking me for no particular reason ?
No you are posting in Hell. It is the way things are done. How many times must we say this?
As many times as you like. There is nothing in the rules of Hell that forbid me from speaking my mind
No but you signed up to this. You knew what it was like. You know the way things work. I tried hard, but you are still derailing threads and making it about you. So here is another way be who will scroll past your comments in Hell.
Can dePfeffel stay the course physically? Young partner, new baby, post viral, over weight person in his 50s.
We will see.
The idea of a Mogg PM is somehow worse than a dePfeffel. I can’t think of anyone more out of touch with reality in the tory party.
Phillip Davies? Peter Bone? Pretty sure there are a few more specimens of alleged humanity lurking under bridges and/or on the tory back benches.
Whatever happens, and whatever spawn of Azathoth crawls out of the primordial slime, we'll still be stuck with the Dread Spectre of ConDom Cummings...
It only takes one PM with a strong will to get rid of him. His position is relative to the PM. He may be the grand vizier, but the new Sultan could get rid of him
Surely, as this is Hell, Telford must be either a demon sent to torment us or a figment of our depraved imaginationns - a mass hallucination, in fact? Either way, a distraction.
It wouldn't be so bad if Insulted Of Shropshire restricted his silly passive-aggressive nonsense to Hell, but it feels as though it's happening on every bloody thread he invades...
Surely, as this is Hell, Telford must be either a demon sent to torment us or a figment of our depraved imaginationns - a mass hallucination, in fact? Either way, a distraction.
I did not intend to torment you or anyone else. I was not aware of your existence
The person who makes reference to a subject's unsuitability for running one generally is.
Are you going anywhere with this or have you been on the pop or something?
Do you score points for attacking me for no particular reason ?
No you are posting in Hell. It is the way things are done. How many times must we say this?
As many times as you like. There is nothing in the rules of Hell that forbid me from speaking my mind
Hostly winged helmet ON: No, but the “rules” do advise you to wear asbestos underwear; in other words, this is a No Whinging zone. You don’t get to pitch tantrums, or yell about the other kids being mean to you. If you can give as good as you get, great; if the best you can come up with is, “Stop picking on me!” you’d best fold your tents and silently slip away to another forum where the hosting is more aggressive in several ways.
You have been told this more than once. Read, mark, learn, and inwardly digest. Hostly winged helmet OFF
I feel sorry for you, @Eirenist is someone who regularly posts comments that are well worth reading and you've missed out by not reading what's been posted on threads that you have been posting on.
From press reports, it looks as if the 'Deal or No Deal' negotiations are heading fast for a breakdown, withall that that entails. I wonder how our respected Prime Minister feels about the prospect of informing Her Majesty that his government's policies have led to the dissolution of her United Kingdom?
From press reports, it looks as if the 'Deal or No Deal' negotiations are heading fast for a breakdown, withall that that entails. I wonder how our respected Prime Minister feels about the prospect of informing Her Majesty that his government's policies have led to the dissolution of her United Kingdom?
Do you seriously think that a trade deal would have stopped the SNP from continually wanting an independence referendum ?
From press reports, it looks as if the 'Deal or No Deal' negotiations are heading fast for a breakdown, withall that that entails. I wonder how our respected Prime Minister feels about the prospect of informing Her Majesty that his government's policies have led to the dissolution of her United Kingdom?
Do you seriously think that a trade deal would have stopped the SNP from continually wanting an independence referendum ?
Probably not, but it would one imagines have a bearing on the success of that referendum.
From press reports, it looks as if the 'Deal or No Deal' negotiations are heading fast for a breakdown, withall that that entails. I wonder how our respected Prime Minister feels about the prospect of informing Her Majesty that his government's policies have led to the dissolution of her United Kingdom?
Do you seriously think that a trade deal would have stopped the SNP from continually wanting an independence referendum ?
The lack of a comprehensive deal (which is what was promised last year before the election) covers more than trade. But, just taking the trade part of that the impacts are bigger than just in relation to the SNP and Scottish Independence.
The biggest impact will be in Northern Ireland where suddenly there would need to be check points and associated paperwork for goods passing across the land border with the Republic, again something we were promised wouldn't happen. That will create a massive economic and political mess, and quite possibly the easiest way to deal with that would be to cut Northern Ireland out of full membership of the UK with a trade border in the Irish Sea and Northern Ireland remaining in the Single Market and Customs Union and not participating in any dubious benefits that the rest of the UK may accrue from trade deals with the US and anywhere else. If Northern Ireland has it's own devolved government and it's own trade arrangements with the rest of the world (including the rest of the UK) to what extent would it still be in the UK in more than name?
And, if NI gets such a deal then won't other regions of the UK look on that with envy? The South East would probably love to have free flow of goods through the Channel ports rather than turning half of Kent into a lorry park. Most of the UK (especially those regions with lots of farmers) would prefer to follow EU regulations on farming standards and livestock welfare rather than have our supermarket shelves stuffed with US beef polluted with growth hormones and chicken washed in chlorine, and would prefer our farmers to be producing quality food rather than going out of business because they can't compete with low quality cheap imports. And, of course, the pro-independence movements in Scotland, Wales and Cornwall will milk that for all they can to bolster their arguments for independence - and, maybe we'll see other regions decide that going it alone has advantages over the chaos that the UK government has shouldered on them. Maybe Cumbria and Northumberland would like to join Scotland, or Shropshire join Wales, or Yorkshire and Lancashire become independent nations. The possibilities are endless.
Indeed - some sort of Celtic Federation (which could include, say, Shropshire) is an intriguing thought.
BTW, apropos post-Brexshit lorry parks in Kent, I hear that the construction of one such park near Ashford has uncovered the remains of some old walls, possibly Saxon. Bloody migrants again!Trying to thwart The Will Of The People!
The idea of Kent being once more an independent Kingdom is also appealing, but I suspect that becoming a Departement of the French Republic might be (slightly) more realistic.
I suppose a breakdown will get Boris out of the bind of resolving the incompatible undertakings he gave to the EU and the DUP. (No frontier in Ireland: no frontier in the Irish Sea.)
The idea of Kent being once more an independent Kingdom is also appealing, but I suspect that becoming a Departement of the French Republic might be (slightly) more realistic.
The idea of Kent being once more an independent Kingdom is also appealing, but I suspect that becoming a Departement of the French Republic might be (slightly) more realistic.
You sure that's realistic? Who says we want you?
O please! Pretty please? We'll be good citizens, and water the furrows of what's left of our fields with the impure blood of someone-or-other...
Define "Brexit". And, "Brexit means Brexit" is not a valid answer.
It means leaving the EU with or without a trade deal with the EU.
For avoidance of doubt, the subject of this thread is the person who promised:
"British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down ... there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market. "
"British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down ... there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market. "
It looks like what will come about is ‘none of the above’.
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Now you don't like him and I don't like him. However, I try not to exaggerate his failings
No, and it's not necessary for a poster on SoF to know what "wouldn't trust him to run a whelk stall" means, but it helps to know that it doesn't imply that their talents actually lie in more important fields.
You are the first poster to refer to a whelk stall
Are you going anywhere with this or have you been on the pop or something?
Do you score points for attacking me for no particular reason ?
Exasperation is a reason.
https://theguardian.com/politics/2020/aug/29/boris-johnson-faces-tory-wrath-as-party-slumps-in-shock-poll
No you are posting in Hell. It is the way things are done. How many times must we say this?
Well it has been coming. The Tory ship has had no one at the tiller for awhile. This is looking very similar to last days of Mrs May.
and point scoring
As many times as you like. There is nothing in the rules of Hell that forbid me from speaking my mind
Yes, but a worrying thought occurs - who is to take on the unenviable job of skipper when the Lord Protector is thrown overboard? The present Cabinet doesn't exactly inspire with confidence...
Mogg? Gove? (I forget who the others are but they're all ghastly individuals.)
ETA: Actually I just remembered the Chancellor - Rishi Sunak (sp?)
He seems better than the rest.
Bets on Grayling failing upwards again?
No but you signed up to this. You knew what it was like. You know the way things work. I tried hard, but you are still derailing threads and making it about you. So here is another way be who will scroll past your comments in Hell.
Can dePfeffel stay the course physically? Young partner, new baby, post viral, over weight person in his 50s.
We will see.
The idea of a Mogg PM is somehow worse than a dePfeffel. I can’t think of anyone more out of touch with reality in the tory party.
Phillip Davies? Peter Bone? Pretty sure there are a few more specimens of alleged humanity lurking under bridges and/or on the tory back benches.
During the last days of Mrs May they didn't have a majority so an election was more or less inevitable. Now it would be just changing one useless leader for another, maybe slightly less useless, but still with pretty much the same ideas. If it was Gove we'd still be stuck with Cummings so no change. Sunak is very photo-genic but doubt he could really do the job. Hunt, God help us.
Thankyou for trying hard
Whatever happens, and whatever spawn of Azathoth crawls out of the primordial slime, we'll still be stuck with the Dread Spectre of ConDom Cummings...
It only takes one PM with a strong will to get rid of him. His position is relative to the PM. He may be the grand vizier, but the new Sultan could get rid of him
I think we can - at this point - safely say that being unable to do the job is no barrier to getting the job.
...even in All Saints...
I did not intend to torment you or anyone else. I was not aware of your existence
You have been told this more than once. Read, mark, learn, and inwardly digest. Hostly winged helmet OFF
Do you seriously think that a trade deal would have stopped the SNP from continually wanting an independence referendum ?
Probably not, but it would one imagines have a bearing on the success of that referendum.
The biggest impact will be in Northern Ireland where suddenly there would need to be check points and associated paperwork for goods passing across the land border with the Republic, again something we were promised wouldn't happen. That will create a massive economic and political mess, and quite possibly the easiest way to deal with that would be to cut Northern Ireland out of full membership of the UK with a trade border in the Irish Sea and Northern Ireland remaining in the Single Market and Customs Union and not participating in any dubious benefits that the rest of the UK may accrue from trade deals with the US and anywhere else. If Northern Ireland has it's own devolved government and it's own trade arrangements with the rest of the world (including the rest of the UK) to what extent would it still be in the UK in more than name?
And, if NI gets such a deal then won't other regions of the UK look on that with envy? The South East would probably love to have free flow of goods through the Channel ports rather than turning half of Kent into a lorry park. Most of the UK (especially those regions with lots of farmers) would prefer to follow EU regulations on farming standards and livestock welfare rather than have our supermarket shelves stuffed with US beef polluted with growth hormones and chicken washed in chlorine, and would prefer our farmers to be producing quality food rather than going out of business because they can't compete with low quality cheap imports. And, of course, the pro-independence movements in Scotland, Wales and Cornwall will milk that for all they can to bolster their arguments for independence - and, maybe we'll see other regions decide that going it alone has advantages over the chaos that the UK government has shouldered on them. Maybe Cumbria and Northumberland would like to join Scotland, or Shropshire join Wales, or Yorkshire and Lancashire become independent nations. The possibilities are endless.
BTW, apropos post-Brexshit lorry parks in Kent, I hear that the construction of one such park near Ashford has uncovered the remains of some old walls, possibly Saxon. Bloody migrants again! Trying to thwart The Will Of The People!
The idea of Kent being once more an independent Kingdom is also appealing, but I suspect that becoming a Departement of the French Republic might be (slightly) more realistic.
You sure that's realistic? Who says we want you?
O please! Pretty please? We'll be good citizens, and water the furrows of what's left of our fields with the impure blood of someone-or-other...
For avoidance of doubt, the subject of this thread is the person who promised:
"British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down ... there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market. "
No Cummings has his soul and is using a voodoo doll to keep Boris on track
It looks like what will come about is ‘none of the above’.
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I’m thankful every day that my son and his partner had the sense to acquire German citizenship.