I thought there was at least one person posting to this thread who might need it spelt out.
Problem is that what you said is not true.
Do we really have to explain to you what Communism is and how it differs from Democratic Socialism?
If you think that Corbyn isn't a communist, you would not be able to.
Can you actually identify a policy he aimed to implement that actually meets the description of communism ? Even one ?
Yes
So this is one of those cases where you actually can't but will either stalk out temporarily in high dudgeon or claim it was a joke when you are called on it.
I answered the question.
I wonder if your arse still throbs at night after you answered your Latin teacher's question about whether you could conjugate the present subjunctive of Ire in the same manner...
Sorry Telford, I didn't realise you wanted a serious conversation.
Are you satisfied with Hancock's performance, or if you want to see him as a cog in a larger machine, that of the current administration? If you are, on what basis do you think this? What evidence would make you change your mind?
As I am answering "No" to the first question, the other questions are irrelevant.
So, you aren't happy with his performance - do you think he is capable of a dramatic improvement? If not, he needs to go. If you think he is, what evidence is there of this?
I never said that I wasn't happy. I said that I wasn't satisfied as I have not been totally satisfied.
Returning to the English response to the pandemic, it seems to me they got it badly wrong with their 'herd immunity' policy and the delayed lockdown; broadly right with the hard lockdown, including support for workers and businesses, though with cock-ups with the care homes and PPE provision; then wrong again with the 'whack-a-mole' strategy which seems to me to be the most dangerous. You are never going to win that one.
Dominic Cummings excursion really did not help at all - to me that was the point at which the government went from at least appearing to be trying, in difficult circumstances, to deal with the situation, even if they got it wrong, to only really caring about their inner circle. Subsequent events like the contracts offered to firms with no experience of PPE, the appointment of Dido Harding etc have reinforced this impression.
There was never a herd immunity policy. The lock down was delayed because it was reasoned that it would be ignored because so few people had died.
I'm gonna do a blog post on this coz I've been looking at the numbers again. I have mentioned elsewhere that some professional mathematicians and epidemiologists have done this work properly but I realised there's a quick-and-dirty method that approximates really well and is easy to understand intuitively. So watch this space but here's the headline:
Delaying the lockdown cost tens of thousands of lives.
There is no sane argument that says that isn't grounds for resignation of several ministers responsible.
But I have never seen any evidence that any of them is prepared to take any responsibility for anything.
AFZ
Where is your evidence that a weeks delay cost tends of thousands of lives.
Oh dear.
As I said, I'm working on writing this is full. On the main Coronavirus thread I linked to a couple of studies that showed this.
AFZ: I can show you the maths but simply a week's delay in lockdown caused tens of thousands of deaths.
Telford: Where's the evidence for that?
AFZ: <provides link to a paper that shows the effect of lockdown timings on death rates - to quote "The previous sub-section presented clear evidence that the choice of when to impose lockdown drastically affects the likely number of deaths.">
Telford: That doesn't answer my question
AFZ: um... um... ??? Do you actually speak English???
I did not need to see the world's stats which did not prove your statement
Just to return to this; do you not see that this paper (among many, but for various reasons this one is really good) shows VERY GOOD evidence that there is a direct causal relationship between timing of lockdown and number of deaths? Hence my surprise that you said I hadn't answered your question.
It is debatable who is primarily responsible but surely someone in government is responsible for the huge misstep?
Is it the Secretary of State for Health? That's a more complex question.
AFZ
A total lockdown would not have been respected after so few deaths. However I have already stated elsewhere that we were too slow to officially shut pubs, clubs and sporting events
Ahhh. Moving the goal posts.
I disagree. I have merely repeated what I have said before. I have now read your long post and I tend to disagree with your conclusions.
Do you think that they got infected from someone outside or from another teacher ?
The odds are rather in favour of it being a non-teacher, don't you think? But again, I'm struggling to find the relevance. Government policy doesn't prevent teachers from having family members who aren't teachers, and it doesn't prevent teachers from having friends who aren't teachers. Nor does it require teachers to only dine in restaurants operated and staffed by teachers.
Where there are a few teachers testing positive at the same time one has to suspect there might be a problem of a lack of social distancing in the school
Where there are a few teachers testing positive at the same time one has to suspect there might be a problem of a lack of social distancing in the school
Or that the social distancing rules are insufficient to prevent transmission.
You said yourself that you don't think it's safe being in school with a Covid-positive person, which implies that you think the distancing possible in schools isn't sufficient to prevent infection.
This is actually an interesting question, which people should be collecting data on, but I don't think they are. The open question is "how much contact with a Covid-19 person puts you at significant risk of infection."
If you spend two hours in the staff room, marking, six feet away from an infected colleague, is that a problem? If your infected colleague spends an hour exhaling in the corner of the staffroom and leaves, and then you go and sit in the same corner, is that a problem?
You seem to be trying hard to blame the behaviour of individual teachers - you seem to be assuming that if everyone follows the rules, there won't be any transmission, so any incidence of transmission must be evidence of rules not being followed. I don't think there are grounds to make that claim.
But the question is interesting. We should be attempting to gather information, in a blame-free way (because otherwise people will lie) about exactly how much contact everyone had with infected people, because that dataset lets you build up a picture of what the risks associated with different levels of contact actually are. Right now, what we have is a small amount of data, and quite a lot of guesswork and wishful thinking.
Where there are a few teachers testing positive at the same time one has to suspect there might be a problem of a lack of social distancing in the school
Or that the social distancing rules are insufficient to prevent transmission.
You said yourself that you don't think it's safe being in school with a Covid-positive person, which implies that you think the distancing possible in schools isn't sufficient to prevent infection.
This is actually an interesting question, which people should be collecting data on, but I don't think they are. The open question is "how much contact with a Covid-19 person puts you at significant risk of infection."
If you spend two hours in the staff room, marking, six feet away from an infected colleague, is that a problem? If your infected colleague spends an hour exhaling in the corner of the staffroom and leaves, and then you go and sit in the same corner, is that a problem?
You seem to be trying hard to blame the behaviour of individual teachers - you seem to be assuming that if everyone follows the rules, there won't be any transmission, so any incidence of transmission must be evidence of rules not being followed. I don't think there are grounds to make that claim.
But the question is interesting. We should be attempting to gather information, in a blame-free way (because otherwise people will lie) about exactly how much contact everyone had with infected people, because that dataset lets you build up a picture of what the risks associated with different levels of contact actually are. Right now, what we have is a small amount of data, and quite a lot of guesswork and wishful thinking.
I do not criticise teachers who catch the viruis in school.
However the question I would ask is, " Is a staff room necessary ?" I am open to persuassion that it is. Marking could be done at home.
Where there are a few teachers testing positive at the same time one has to suspect there might be a problem of a lack of social distancing in the school
However the question I would ask is, " Is a staff room necessary ?" I am open to persuassion that it is. Marking could be done at home.
Teachers who are marking in the staff room are usually between lessons - either because it's their lunch break, or because they don't have a scheduled class to teach in this particular slot. Suggesting that they nip home to do their marking during their free period is unrealistic.
Maybe @Telford wants them to take the work that needs marking back home with them after school?
Well, maybe - but might not that mean them taking home x number of virus-bearing books or files? AIUI, if the virus is present on something like a book, it dies within 48 (or is it 72?) hours, but that it may not be feasible in a school situation to leave books untouched for that long a period.
Hancock tells us not to kill our Grannies - but Granny may be (quite legitimately) at home, ready to catch Ye Plague™...
What O @Telford is your solution to what seems to be an insoluble problem? I don't think there is one - the virus is going to be with us, for better or worse (probably for worse), for a long time to come.
Where there are a few teachers testing positive at the same time one has to suspect there might be a problem of a lack of social distancing in the school
Maybe @Telford wants them to take the work that needs marking back home with them after school?
Which does not solve the problem of where to put the teacher during the time that they are not actively engaged in teaching a class, and in which they expect to be able to mark and/or prepare for classes.
You can't put them in a classroom, because all the classrooms are full of classes.
Teachers who are marking in the staff room are usually between lessons - either because it's their lunch break, or because they don't have a scheduled class to teach in this particular slot. Suggesting that they nip home to do their marking during their free period is unrealistic.
I can't take that seriously. The important thing is not to have too many people in the same room
Maybe @Telford wants them to take the work that needs marking back home with them after school?
Well, maybe - but might not that mean them taking home x number of virus-bearing books or files? AIUI, if the virus is present on something like a book, it dies within 48 (or is it 72?) hours, but that it may not be feasible in a school situation to leave books untouched for that long a period.
Hancock tells us not to kill our Grannies - but Granny may be (quite legitimately) at home, ready to catch Ye Plague™...
What O @Telford is your solution to what seems to be an insoluble problem? I don't think there is one - the virus is going to be with us, for better or worse (probably for worse), for a long time to come.
I like what you say in your last sentence so my suggestion is that we need to treat teachers the same as any other worker. Teachers who are classed as vulnerable should not be at work. They should be protecting themselves like any other vulnerable person
I can't take that seriously. The important thing is not to have too many people in the same room
Let's break this down. A typical class period is somewhere between 40 minutes and an hour, depending on school. So suppose a teacher has a single free period (not uncommon). It would be a rare teacher who only lived a few minutes journey from school.
The teacher can't sit in a classroom, because the school has only enough classrooms for the pupils that it has - it doesn't have spare space sitting around. In normal times, the expectation is that the teacher goes to the staff room (which is provided for this purpose) and gets on with marking / class prep.
We agree that "having too many people in the same room" is bad, although you're the only one that's suggesting that official guidelines for spacing of people have not been followed.
What are you suggesting the teacher in question should do for this period?
Maybe @Telford wants them to take the work that needs marking back home with them after school?
Well, maybe - but might not that mean them taking home x number of virus-bearing books or files? AIUI, if the virus is present on something like a book, it dies within 48 (or is it 72?) hours, but that it may not be feasible in a school situation to leave books untouched for that long a period.
Hancock tells us not to kill our Grannies - but Granny may be (quite legitimately) at home, ready to catch Ye Plague™...
What O @Telford is your solution to what seems to be an insoluble problem? I don't think there is one - the virus is going to be with us, for better or worse (probably for worse), for a long time to come.
I like what you say in your last sentence so my suggestion is that we need to treat teachers the same as any other worker. Teachers who are classed as vulnerable should not be at work. They should be protecting themselves like any other vulnerable person
The government has ordered shielding folk back to work.
"Any other worker" isn't shut in a small, badly ventilated room with 30 potential asymptomatic virus-spreaders all of whom are discouraged from wearing face coverings.
I can't take that seriously. The important thing is not to have too many people in the same room
Let's break this down. A typical class period is somewhere between 40 minutes and an hour, depending on school. So suppose a teacher has a single free period (not uncommon). It would be a rare teacher who only lived a few minutes journey from school.
The teacher can't sit in a classroom, because the school has only enough classrooms for the pupils that it has - it doesn't have spare space sitting around. In normal times, the expectation is that the teacher goes Ask the Head teacher to find another staeople have not been followed.
What are you suggesting the teacher in question should do for this period?
Maybe @Telford wants them to take the work that needs marking back home with them after school?
Well, maybe - but might not that mean them taking home x number of virus-bearing books or files? AIUI, if the virus is present on something like a book, it dies within 48 (or is it 72?) hours, but that it may not be feasible in a school situation to leave books untouched for that long a period.
Hancock tells us not to kill our Grannies - but Granny may be (quite legitimately) at home, ready to catch Ye Plague™...
What O @Telford is your solution to what seems to be an insoluble problem? I don't think there is one - the virus is going to be with us, for better or worse (probably for worse), for a long time to come.
I like what you say in your last sentence so my suggestion is that we need to treat teachers the same as any other worker. Teachers who are classed as vulnerable should not be at work. They should be protecting themselves like any other vulnerable person
The government has ordered shielding folk back to work.
That's news to me
"Any other worker" isn't shut in a small, badly ventilated room with 30 potential asymptomatic virus-spreaders all of whom are discouraged from wearing face coverings.
You have clearly not heard about Sweat shops in Northern cities full of people who do not get paid if they don't turn up for work for any reason.
I can't take that seriously. The important thing is not to have too many people in the same room
Let's break this down. A typical class period is somewhere between 40 minutes and an hour, depending on school. So suppose a teacher has a single free period (not uncommon). It would be a rare teacher who only lived a few minutes journey from school.
The teacher can't sit in a classroom, because the school has only enough classrooms for the pupils that it has - it doesn't have spare space sitting around. In normal times, the expectation is that the teacher goes Ask the Head teacher to find another staeople have not been followed.
What are you suggesting the teacher in question should do for this period?
Ask the Head to find another room.
There won’t be one typically. Schools are purpose built and every room will have a purpose and be mostly in use.
Maybe @Telford wants them to take the work that needs marking back home with them after school?
Well, maybe - but might not that mean them taking home x number of virus-bearing books or files? AIUI, if the virus is present on something like a book, it dies within 48 (or is it 72?) hours, but that it may not be feasible in a school situation to leave books untouched for that long a period.
Hancock tells us not to kill our Grannies - but Granny may be (quite legitimately) at home, ready to catch Ye Plague™...
What O @Telford is your solution to what seems to be an insoluble problem? I don't think there is one - the virus is going to be with us, for better or worse (probably for worse), for a long time to come.
I like what you say in your last sentence so my suggestion is that we need to treat teachers the same as any other worker. Teachers who are classed as vulnerable should not be at work. They should be protecting themselves like any other vulnerable person
The government has ordered shielding folk back to work.
That's news to me
That is the net effect of the government advising that people don’t need to shield vs employers who want employees on site.
Ironically of course at the other end there is a full scale culture war around sections of the press railing against those working from home.
I know that Dragonlet 1 is using the school hall for his lunch. I believe that there is more staggering of sittings though. (Tbh I think the idea of 30 5 year olds eating in their class room and getting it on the carpet would cause uproar in the cleaning staff). PE is all going to be outdoors this term.
Given that we have been told that reading books will be quarantined and only changed on set days, I doubt that school books would be allowed home, assuming that work isn't being submitted electronically, so teachers will have to mark in school.
Secondary schools are working on "bubbles" of 100+, which is unrealistic, especially with the changing of staff between lessons.
I was already angling for working from home from the middle of the week before lockdown. I know that at least half of the reception and year 1 classes were missing from school by the end of that week too.
Maybe @Telford wants them to take the work that needs marking back home with them after school?
Well, maybe - but might not that mean them taking home x number of virus-bearing books or files? AIUI, if the virus is present on something like a book, it dies within 48 (or is it 72?) hours, but that it may not be feasible in a school situation to leave books untouched for that long a period.
Hancock tells us not to kill our Grannies - but Granny may be (quite legitimately) at home, ready to catch Ye Plague™...
What O @Telford is your solution to what seems to be an insoluble problem? I don't think there is one - the virus is going to be with us, for better or worse (probably for worse), for a long time to come.
I like what you say in your last sentence so my suggestion is that we need to treat teachers the same as any other worker. Teachers who are classed as vulnerable should not be at work. They should be protecting themselves like any other vulnerable person
Speaking as a vulnerable NHS worker, we were asked to start coming back in at least some days a week as soon as shielding ended. Because that is government policy, shielding ended at the end of July. I am encouraged to believe that my workplace is Covid-secure. I don’t believe this*. I am going to my workplace twice a week and hoping for the best - I suspect this is the situation for many teachers.
I live alone, so my choice not to have a massive fight with my employer which might lose me my job (and they are the only employer of my profession in the area still functioning) will at least not endanger anyone else.
*I wish people would understand that they are *not* supposed to remove their mask when they talk, or wear it below their nose, or not put it on because they are just nipping out of their solo office briefly, and also not knock and walk into my solo office before giving me a chance to put the mask back on and also have an accurate perception of how far away 2 metres actually is.
Portacabins need to be paid for. Schools do not have the money they need for teaching purposes under covid conditions. Not all schools have sufficient car park space for cars. We had cars all along the neighbouring roads.
I know, we can put them on all the playing fields... oh wait... what happened to all those?
The truth is that all of these measures are tricky to achieve - especially in a school. The bottom line is that we don't know (and this needs to be studied fully) however prima facie evidence would suggest that even if perfect adherence was achieved that would not prevent all potential transmissions of this very infectious virus. Thus the argument Some teachers appear to have caught the virus, therefore, they must be failing at social distancing measures is at-best speculative (unless and until such evidence exists) but more likely it's just kinda silly. Moreover, doubling down on this argument in the absence of any actual data is really silly.
O come on. @Leorning Cniht has already posited that there is no spare space, so how's the Head supposed to find another room?
Or are you perhaps suggesting turfing the Head out of his/her room? If so, where does he/she go? Up onto the roof?
There would be spare space though. Dining rooms ?
Dinner rooms generally double up as gyms which will be in use.
Not during the lunch break
And they are busy at lunch break for entirely different reasons (children and possibly teachers -- socially distanced - eating lunch - where hot meals are not being provided, some schools are providing packed lunches for kids on free school meals and the logistics of this ends up implying a separate area).
Besides, it's not just during lunch time that teachers need to use the staff room.
Portacabins need to be paid for. Schools do not have the money they need for teaching purposes under covid conditions. Not all schools have sufficient car park space for cars. We had cars all along the neighbouring roads.
It's up to Gavin to find the money and they do not need to be situated on a hard standing
O come on. @Leorning Cniht has already posited that there is no spare space, so how's the Head supposed to find another room?
Or are you perhaps suggesting turfing the Head out of his/her room? If so, where does he/she go? Up onto the roof?
There would be spare space though. Dining rooms ?
Dinner rooms generally double up as gyms which will be in use.
Not during the lunch break
And they are busy at lunch break for entirely different reasons (children and possibly teachers -- socially distanced - eating lunch - where hot meals are not being provided, some schools are providing packed lunches for kids on free school meals and the logistics of this ends up implying a separate area).
Besides, it's not just during lunch time that teachers need to use the staff room.
Latest restrictions (announced this evening) don't apply to schools or workplaces, so maybe there'll be room in the deserted parks to spread the Portacabins around... https://bbc.co.uk/news
Hostly winged helmet ON:@Telford, I have long since forgiven you for being SHOUTY when you first boarded the Ship; it would have been better, of course, had you lurked for a while, read the necessary introductory information, and got a feel for the Ship’s culture before plunging in, but these things happen.
Most people learn from their early mistakes. You, however, just keep plunging in deeper.
The thing now testing my Christian charity is your refusal to stay on topic; instead, you regularly make this thread about yourself, your easily triggered sense of grievance, and your propensity for blaming the victim and airily waving away problems with your supposed E-Z fixes by declaring them someone else’s responsibility to solve.
In fact, it’s supposed to be for the Hellish discussion of one Max Hancock. Please stop wasting bandwidth with your whinging and question-dodging. This is the second time of asking.
Now, if you genuinely want a serious discussion of the Prime Minister, I hope and trust that you’ll betake yourself to the Purgatory thread that Hugal has so kindly opened for your enjoyment. Hostly winged helmet OFF
The thing now testing my Christian charity is your refusal to stay on topic; instead, you regularly make this thread about yourself, your easily triggered sense of grievance, and your propensity for blaming the victim and airily waving away problems with your supposed E-Z fixes by declaring them someone else’s responsibility to solve.
This might annoy you but it's not me who usually goes off topic. It goes off topic when people start to discuss me
Never the less, I will have to do better. I will be ignoring insults and try to give better answerts.
@Telford, I'm not so much annoyed by your post as somewhat bemused. Stay on topic, and try to do a better job of being the better person. And, at the risk of repeating myself, really-o, truly-o stay on topic.
Comments
Oh dear.
@Telford - disagreement is fine, of course, but it might be helpful if you were to say why you disagree.
I'll try.
Or that the social distancing rules are insufficient to prevent transmission.
You said yourself that you don't think it's safe being in school with a Covid-positive person, which implies that you think the distancing possible in schools isn't sufficient to prevent infection.
This is actually an interesting question, which people should be collecting data on, but I don't think they are. The open question is "how much contact with a Covid-19 person puts you at significant risk of infection."
If you spend two hours in the staff room, marking, six feet away from an infected colleague, is that a problem? If your infected colleague spends an hour exhaling in the corner of the staffroom and leaves, and then you go and sit in the same corner, is that a problem?
You seem to be trying hard to blame the behaviour of individual teachers - you seem to be assuming that if everyone follows the rules, there won't be any transmission, so any incidence of transmission must be evidence of rules not being followed. I don't think there are grounds to make that claim.
But the question is interesting. We should be attempting to gather information, in a blame-free way (because otherwise people will lie) about exactly how much contact everyone had with infected people, because that dataset lets you build up a picture of what the risks associated with different levels of contact actually are. Right now, what we have is a small amount of data, and quite a lot of guesswork and wishful thinking.
However the question I would ask is, " Is a staff room necessary ?" I am open to persuassion that it is. Marking could be done at home.
This: reads quite a lot like a criticism.
Teachers who are marking in the staff room are usually between lessons - either because it's their lunch break, or because they don't have a scheduled class to teach in this particular slot. Suggesting that they nip home to do their marking during their free period is unrealistic.
Well, maybe - but might not that mean them taking home x number of virus-bearing books or files? AIUI, if the virus is present on something like a book, it dies within 48 (or is it 72?) hours, but that it may not be feasible in a school situation to leave books untouched for that long a period.
Hancock tells us not to kill our Grannies - but Granny may be (quite legitimately) at home, ready to catch Ye Plague™...
What O @Telford is your solution to what seems to be an insoluble problem? I don't think there is one - the virus is going to be with us, for better or worse (probably for worse), for a long time to come.
Which does not solve the problem of where to put the teacher during the time that they are not actively engaged in teaching a class, and in which they expect to be able to mark and/or prepare for classes.
You can't put them in a classroom, because all the classrooms are full of classes.
https://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54072272
Looks like the government is moving towards closure of pubs etc. again, but still trying to keep schools going. A hard job, to say the least.
Let's break this down. A typical class period is somewhere between 40 minutes and an hour, depending on school. So suppose a teacher has a single free period (not uncommon). It would be a rare teacher who only lived a few minutes journey from school.
The teacher can't sit in a classroom, because the school has only enough classrooms for the pupils that it has - it doesn't have spare space sitting around. In normal times, the expectation is that the teacher goes to the staff room (which is provided for this purpose) and gets on with marking / class prep.
We agree that "having too many people in the same room" is bad, although you're the only one that's suggesting that official guidelines for spacing of people have not been followed.
What are you suggesting the teacher in question should do for this period?
The government has ordered shielding folk back to work.
"Any other worker" isn't shut in a small, badly ventilated room with 30 potential asymptomatic virus-spreaders all of whom are discouraged from wearing face coverings.
Ask the Head to find another room.
Or are you perhaps suggesting turfing the Head out of his/her room? If so, where does he/she go? Up onto the roof?
There won’t be one typically. Schools are purpose built and every room will have a purpose and be mostly in use.
That is the net effect of the government advising that people don’t need to shield vs employers who want employees on site.
Ironically of course at the other end there is a full scale culture war around sections of the press railing against those working from home.
There would be spare space though. Dining rooms ?
Have you been in a school, at all, since your schooldays?
Yes I have and I am informed that these rooms are no longer needed for school meals
Just cut out the crap and explain why I am wrong.
Dinner rooms generally double up as gyms which will be in use.
Not during the lunch break
Still no need to use the dining room. Teachers need to be pro-active and avoid crowding into a staff room
Given that we have been told that reading books will be quarantined and only changed on set days, I doubt that school books would be allowed home, assuming that work isn't being submitted electronically, so teachers will have to mark in school.
Secondary schools are working on "bubbles" of 100+, which is unrealistic, especially with the changing of staff between lessons.
I was already angling for working from home from the middle of the week before lockdown. I know that at least half of the reception and year 1 classes were missing from school by the end of that week too.
Those of you still on this thread, who haven't given up all hope of life, might like to tell us how this ideal might be achieved.
Speaking as a vulnerable NHS worker, we were asked to start coming back in at least some days a week as soon as shielding ended. Because that is government policy, shielding ended at the end of July. I am encouraged to believe that my workplace is Covid-secure. I don’t believe this*. I am going to my workplace twice a week and hoping for the best - I suspect this is the situation for many teachers.
I live alone, so my choice not to have a massive fight with my employer which might lose me my job (and they are the only employer of my profession in the area still functioning) will at least not endanger anyone else.
*I wish people would understand that they are *not* supposed to remove their mask when they talk, or wear it below their nose, or not put it on because they are just nipping out of their solo office briefly, and also not knock and walk into my solo office before giving me a chance to put the mask back on and also have an accurate perception of how far away 2 metres actually is.
Mr Finger . Why not just hire some Portacabins
I would leave that to the Head teacher to sort out Teachers carpark ? Can I assume that you want to use proper names then ?
I know, we can put them on all the playing fields... oh wait... what happened to all those?
The truth is that all of these measures are tricky to achieve - especially in a school. The bottom line is that we don't know (and this needs to be studied fully) however prima facie evidence would suggest that even if perfect adherence was achieved that would not prevent all potential transmissions of this very infectious virus. Thus the argument Some teachers appear to have caught the virus, therefore, they must be failing at social distancing measures is at-best speculative (unless and until such evidence exists) but more likely it's just kinda silly. Moreover, doubling down on this argument in the absence of any actual data is really silly.
YMMV, of course.
AFZ
I don't envy him the task of trying to sort out the NHS come winter, and the next spike...if he's still in post, that is.
And they are busy at lunch break for entirely different reasons (children and possibly teachers -- socially distanced - eating lunch - where hot meals are not being provided, some schools are providing packed lunches for kids on free school meals and the logistics of this ends up implying a separate area).
Besides, it's not just during lunch time that teachers need to use the staff room.
Yeah, the erosion of state capacity is mirrored in every public institution still remaining, including schools.
It's up to Gavin to find the money and they do not need to be situated on a hard standing
OK fair enough. If you think that the staff room is big enough to accomodate everyone and still socially distance there should not be a problem.
https://bbc.co.uk/news
Most people learn from their early mistakes. You, however, just keep plunging in deeper.
The thing now testing my Christian charity is your refusal to stay on topic; instead, you regularly make this thread about yourself, your easily triggered sense of grievance, and your propensity for blaming the victim and airily waving away problems with your supposed E-Z fixes by declaring them someone else’s responsibility to solve.
In fact, it’s supposed to be for the Hellish discussion of one Max Hancock. Please stop wasting bandwidth with your whinging and question-dodging. This is the second time of asking.
Now, if you genuinely want a serious discussion of the Prime Minister, I hope and trust that you’ll betake yourself to the Purgatory thread that Hugal has so kindly opened for your enjoyment. Hostly winged helmet OFF
Never the less, I will have to do better. I will be ignoring insults and try to give better answerts.
This is the third time of asking.