Fuck this fucking virus with a fucking farm implement.

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  • Thx, BF. Sounds like a super-spreader event. I wonder how many people they infected on their way back to Egypt?

    Then there's the matter of trying to herd thousands of deathly-ill soldiers who were on opium...
    :astonished:
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited October 2020
    I suppose bubonic plague, in a way, is a sort of precursor of Covid-19. It was certainly a killer in the Middle Ages, and is AIUI very contagious.

    I guess the sick soldiers given opium (possibly only 500 or so) would be left to lie quietly asleep where they were until they died - the modern-day equivalent would be the upping of the morphine dose to someone in a hospital...

    Without wishing to whitewash His Imperial Majesty, who, despite his greatness, could be very cruel, he was nothing if not practical.
  • I've often wondered about English Sweating Sickness and what it might have been 500 years ago.
  • I've often wondered about English Sweating Sickness and what it might have been 500 years ago.
    The scene in Wolf Hall, where Cromwell comes home to find his wife dead and young daughters dying of the sweating sickness illustrates just how quickly that virus took people.
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    All this talk of homeopathy led me to think homies and now I have a picture in my head of Boris break Dance battling Stamer. He is wearing cap that says Bozz. Sorry shipmates hope you can get that image out of your head
  • Amanda B ReckondwythAmanda B Reckondwyth Mystery Worship Editor
    It never entered it.
  • ...if for no other reason than not recognizing any of the names and references, except for Boris.

    And no, you don't need to explain further, Hugal!
    ;)
  • I'll help - Stamer is a typo for Starmer, as in Sir Keir, the leader of the Labour Party, and BoJo's weekly nemesis at Prime Minister's Questions in the House of Toddlers Commons.

  • OTOH, perhaps those who would have died from the bubonic plague in any case had an easier death than they might otherwise have had.

    I'd certainly choose an overdose of opioids rather than the bubonic fucking plague.
  • My point exactly. Maybe Napoleon was being kind, rather than cruel?
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    My point exactly. Maybe Napoleon was being kind, rather than cruel?

    Or cruel to be kind
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited October 2020
    Quite. Unfortunately, he was also capable of being cruel to be cruel, or to reach his goal swiftly, IYSWIM, but that's another story...
  • Yeah, maybe he thought he was being kind, but you were fucked if you were one of the 30 to 50 percent who would have otherwise survived.
  • edited October 2020
    Meanwhile in my part of the world: Church want donations to cover $14,000 fine. Since this article was posted on 13 Oct, the case count is now 80 from this church service.

    All I can say is get thee behind me Jesus, at least 2 metres, and don't sing. And wear a mask. And smite the pastor's wife a bit for me will you?
  • My cousins were planning a wedding and reception this past spring, I forget the date now. Of course, Covid happened, so they had a suitable Covid wedding (just them, the witnesses, and the priest on the church steps, suitably socially distanced, live streamed to facebook) and postponed the reception til October. Now I just got the official "save the date again" card, they are postponing again until March. Poor kids.
  • @NicoleMR I had heard, back in the spring of planners, caterers, etc., not refunding deposits, even partially, despite the extraordinary circumstances. I realise that weddings are their bread and butter, but the attitude struck me as a cash grab. I hope that your cousins aren't similarly dinged.
  • Amanda B ReckondwythAmanda B Reckondwyth Mystery Worship Editor
    I hope you paid with a credit card and will dispute the charge.
  • IIRC, there's an ongoing dispute here in England, where a couple are (is?) trying to get back a £16000 (yes, SIXTEEN THOUSAND POUNDS) sum from a 'wedding venue'.
    :flushed:
  • jedijudyjedijudy Heaven Host, 8th Day Host
    Daughter-Unit sent me a link yesterday about the doctor who exposed me, my parents, and a whole host of others to Covid. (I wrote about it here a few pages ago.

    It is so hard not to respond to it, because the article makes him out to be a hero who was fighting Covid on behalf of his patients. I wish the interviewers would have questioned the nurses and staff in the office where he worked and some of the others he blatantly and unknowingly exposed.

    The article is here if you're interested.

    I still feel very sorry for him, because it must be horrible for his family and him. The evil part of my brain kind of wishes Trump would have had the same consequences.

  • jedijudy wrote: »

    I still feel very sorry for him, because it must be horrible for his family and him. The evil part of my brain kind of wishes Trump would have had the same consequences.

    I don't know about 'evil'. But it seems rational to think 'if anyone has to suffer as a result of deliberate ignorance and wilful carelessness, it ought to be somebody who has been deliberately ignorant and wilfully careless and no doubt cost others their lives as a result'.

    I'm called to turn the other cheek when the cheek is on my face. It's not so clear I should stand by uncomplaining when the cheek belongs to the vulnerable and innocent around me.
  • And we have only two cheeks, anyway (I don't think Our Blessed Lord was referring to bums as well...).
  • There's lots more than just cheeks. There's setting family members against each other, comment about a sword, rich people and a few other things. It's important to know when to turn cheeks and when to overturn tables. While there's potentially power in taking the powerless role, default to that is unworkable and not required of us.
  • la vie en rougela vie en rouge Circus Host, 8th Day Host
    And we have only two cheeks, anyway (I don't think Our Blessed Lord was referring to bums as well...).

    I don't know. I can think of some situations where mooning one's enemies might be a rather satisfactory response :mrgreen:
  • DafydDafyd Shipmate
    One oughtn't to wish Trump ill as such. The problem comes with wishing that he doesn't harm other people where the event most likely to stop him causing harm is some ill happening to him.
  • I'm not sure where this is going but I *do not* need to see an orange butt.
  • I'm not sure where this is going but I *do not* need to see an orange butt.

    I was disappointed to learn, in response to this post, both that a water butt is knows hereabouts as the rather prosaic "rain barrel", and that Home Depot unaccountably fails to sell them in orange.
  • They're commonly known as Water Butts in *England*, and are usually a greenish-grey. The cheapo plastic ones from big D-I-Y places are, anyway, but there are some nice orange or terracotta examples available from other sources.

    If you're really bored, and have nothing better to do, you might like to Google *orange water butt* for some images. Creative peeps could no doubt be...umm...creative in improving (?) their appearance.
  • Orange Water Butt is a porn movie, or will be.
  • O what a ghastly thought.

    I must cancel my subscription to P***hub instantly...
    :innocent:
  • O what a ghastly thought.

    I must cancel my subscription to P***hub instantly...
    :innocent:
    Oh do tell. :warning:
  • Shan't.

    So there.
    :tongue:
  • Orange Water Butt is a porn movie, or will be.

    Rule 34. Of course it is.
  • They're commonly known as Water Butts in *England*,

    In olden times, large houses and inns would have a 'buttery'. The place where they would keep all the butts (barrels) of provisions, (beer, wine, preserved fish etc) like a cellar or separate storage room.

    <Ever a slave to a tangent.>
  • To distinguish it from the Butts, which is where ordinary folk practised archery. Let's not get the two confused, eh?
  • jay_emmjay_emm Shipmate
    edited October 2020
    And for a forth (I learnt last week) something to do with medieval strip farming (I guess closely related to the archery).
  • I was disappointed to learn, in response to this post, both that a water butt is knows hereabouts as the rather prosaic "rain barrel", and that Home Depot unaccountably fails to sell them in orange.
    They're commonly known as Water Butts in *England* ...

    Yes he knows, he's from here (UK) and telling us what they're known as in the US.

  • :confused:

    Thanks...?
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    Anselmina wrote: »
    They're commonly known as Water Butts in *England*,

    In olden times, large houses and inns would have a 'buttery'. The place where they would keep all the butts (barrels) of provisions, (beer, wine, preserved fish etc) like a cellar or separate storage room.

    <Ever a slave to a tangent.>

    I now have Slave to a Tangent going round my head to Slave To The Rhythm by Grace Jones. Famously performed using a hoola hoop
  • Well, we feel driven to go back to severe lockdown habits, as it's said that the R number in London is rising fast. The govt allowed the summer to pass without much foresight. My wife is getting the food, and we go for walks, that's it.
  • BoogieBoogie Shipmate
    Well, we feel driven to go back to severe lockdown habits, as it's said that the R number in London is rising fast. The govt allowed the summer to pass without much foresight. My wife is getting the food, and we go for walks, that's it.

    Yep. We’ve been the same since July.

    Ho hum, pig’s bum. 😢
  • There was time between the start of March and the end of July to build up the public health services to run a quality contact tracing service, and to build up assorted NHS and other labs to handle large numbers of tests with fast turn around. Instead we've got SERCO paid billions to employ school leavers on minimum wage to phone the sick and bereaved to find out who they've been in contact with, and failing to reach even 60% of the people they need to talk to. And, labs overwhelmed often taking days to produce a result. Total shambles, with the only logical solution at this time being the one the government refuses to countenance - a total, national lockdown as we had in the spring; close all hospitality, all non-essential retail, all schools and re-instate the furlough scheme to keep businesses and employees afloat. The government have wasted 6 months, we're back where we started in March and there's little reason to assume that a different approach can work better than what was available then.
  • Boogie wrote: »
    Well, we feel driven to go back to severe lockdown habits, as it's said that the R number in London is rising fast. The govt allowed the summer to pass without much foresight. My wife is getting the food, and we go for walks, that's it.

    Yep. We’ve been the same since July.

    Ho hum, pig’s bum. 😢

    I forgot, my hair is now long, in a ponytail, end of life crisis!
  • There was time between the start of March and the end of July to build up the public health services to run a quality contact tracing service, and to build up assorted NHS and other labs to handle large numbers of tests with fast turn around. Instead we've got SERCO paid billions to employ school leavers on minimum wage to phone the sick and bereaved to find out who they've been in contact with, and failing to reach even 60% of the people they need to talk to. And, labs overwhelmed often taking days to produce a result. Total shambles, with the only logical solution at this time being the one the government refuses to countenance - a total, national lockdown as we had in the spring; close all hospitality, all non-essential retail, all schools and re-instate the furlough scheme to keep businesses and employees afloat. The government have wasted 6 months, we're back where we started in March and there's little reason to assume that a different approach can work better than what was available then.

    Spot on, Alan. What a waste of time it has been, so that Boris could smirk some more, and tell us to eat out. It suggests that the nomenklatura have underestimated the pandemic, and thought it would recede. I think also Boris wants to be popular, so telling people to eat out makes him happy, even if it kills us.
  • jedijudyjedijudy Heaven Host, 8th Day Host
    jedijudy wrote: »
    Daughter-Unit sent me a link yesterday about the doctor who exposed me, my parents, and a whole host of others to Covid. (I wrote about it here a few pages ago.

    It is so hard not to respond to it, because the article makes him out to be a hero who was fighting Covid on behalf of his patients. I wish the interviewers would have questioned the nurses and staff in the office where he worked and some of the others he blatantly and unknowingly exposed.

    The article is here if you're interested.

    I still feel very sorry for him, because it must be horrible for his family and him. The evil part of my brain kind of wishes Trump would have had the same consequences.

    And he died this week.
    Prayers for his family.
  • Yikes. {{{{{{{Everyone involved, including him.}}}}}}}
  • Oh dear......
  • Shit. Our turn. Complete lock down at home for entire population of 1.4 million. No leaving the home for anything except essential workers- ie health and one person for groceries maximum once per day. No takeaway. Mandatory masks at all times outside home including all hospital staff for entire shift. The puppy is going to go bat shit crazy (along with the rest of us). I appreciate this pales to what we have been suffering on here and it still sucks.

    And I am a real risk to family. Clothes off outside and straight to shower I guess.

    Damn it - we had done so well and it escaped a medihotel for repats. This is all on the virus- not the government or staff

    And we are so lucky- and today, it just doesn’t feel like it.
  • We're 900% increase over 30 days. Testing shows 8% to 11% positive. Hospitals full.

    So we're going full on social disobedience. Disobeying public health orders. We're not going to gyms, bingo halls, church, stores, restaurants, pubs. We're staying home. We're ordering curbside. We're buying local. We're being decent and kind. We're not participating in the re-open plan. We're closing the office, we're working from home. Because disobeying the gov't is the only way.

    And we're going to crucify these people when the public inquiry and royal commission is held.
  • Wow. {{{{{{{Everyone}}}}}}}
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    ICUs in many part of the US are full or getting close, and some hospitals will soon start rationing care. I don't know why more healthcare workers haven't quit. They're already unbelievably traumatized.

    California isn't as bad off as some other states, but cases and hospitalizations in LA County are skyrocketing, and local officials are shortening hours and capacity for some businesses and have set a benchmark that will trigger a new stay-at-home order and a 10 pm to 6 am curfew.

    The best headline I've seen lately: After Big Thanksgiving Dinners, Plan Small Christmas Funerals, Health Experts Warn.
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