Then there's this utter tit and I'm left wondering what's wrong with people

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  • Doc Tor wrote: »
    I have to click on all these links.

    Thankyou for your service.
  • Nenya wrote: »
    Bakker -- who these days sells ready meals on the promise of an Apocalypse

    Does that mean his marketing is "The end is so nigh you haven't got time to cook dinner, so I've done it for you"?

    I was trying to avoid posting more links for @Doc Tor to sieve through, but yes it's literally like that: https://youtu.be/rOH37W0jPpA?t=144

    I looked at that. (Sound off and closed captioning on--didn't really want to *hear* any of it!) Yuck!!! Prepping is fine (minus guns, etc., and I'm not saying Bakker has anything to do with that). But, when possible, you want to have stuff you'll want to eat--or, at least, be able to keep down! That's before any comments on how Bakker went about sampling the products. :shudder:
  • I'm not going to go hunting for the clip, but in relation to his private jet, Kenneth Copeland once claimed that he didn't think Jesus would be travelling by donkey these days.

    As Ronnie Chieng pointed out, the gap between a donkey and a private jet is "the whole of transportation".
    Plus, most of the time Jesus didn't even use a donkey, and walked.

    On the one occasion He is recorded as riding a donkey it was borrowed.
  • If you want to know how Jesus would have travelled today, I would look at Greta Thumberg, not Copeland, who has clearly never known a single moment of joy in his sad little life.
  • stetson wrote: »
    mousethief wrote: »
    Jesus is no longer humble? Or Lear Jets are now humble means of transportation?

    Well, I would assume the idea is that Jesus' ministry would today be global in its immediate reach, so it would make more sense for him to be traveling long distsnces.

    Still doesn't explain why Copeland can't just buy a plane ticket. (Plus, I think Paul would have been a better example to use for that particular argument, but that's a side issue.)

    Because that would mean getting in a long tube with a bunch of demons. And he needs all his demon-fighting powers to deal with coronavirus.

    Honestly, your lack of compassion astounds me.
  • Ricardus wrote: »
    I'm shocked at this backbiting against a man of God. Why, this is a man whose faith is so strong that God blessed him with a HARVEST SEED of a Gulfstream private jet. God even picked out the seller for him.

    You lot would be lucky to get a microlight or a hang-glider at this rate.

    You sure it was actually God?
  • Tubbs wrote: »
    Ricardus wrote: »
    I'm shocked at this backbiting against a man of God. Why, this is a man whose faith is so strong that God blessed him with a HARVEST SEED of a Gulfstream private jet. God even picked out the seller for him.

    You lot would be lucky to get a microlight or a hang-glider at this rate.

    You sure it was actually God?

    Well, he hated all the same people I hate so it must have been.
  • Something that strikes me about all of these - irrespective of any belief or practices that they hold - they are such unpleasant people.

    Let me explain. I know I am as shallow as an oil film. When I watch baking, dancing, pottery, sewing, wanking* programmes, I find the contestants who I feel - really early on - who I would like to spend an evening in the pub with**. They are my picks. After a few weeks, I also take into account how well they perform - those who seem to have natural talent.

    OK, I don't often get the winners, because those who succeed are often the driven ones. But I know whose places I would eat in, who I would get to sew something for me.

    Copeland, White and pretty much all the others I have seen, these leaders of the fundamentalist churches, seem to me like the sort of contestants who I would immediately hate. They seem to lack any joy or happiness in what they do. Right or wrong - which is important too - I don't want to spend my time with them. I don't want to be a part of what they do. They are very good at what they do, technically speaking (which is extracting money from the gullible, or, at the very best, building up their churches). But there is nothing to attract me to them.

    *Ok, just seeing who is reading.
    ** I realise that mostly, they wouldn't want a creepy old man at their pub evening, but it is only theoretical anyway.
  • Amanda B ReckondwythAmanda B Reckondwyth Mystery Worship Editor
    @Schroedingers Cat , where did you get the ability to read Miss Amanda's mind? :wink:

    The other day, while channel surfing, I happened to surf through one of those send-us-your-money-and-buy-your-place-in-heaven megameetings. The preacher was a young man -- must have been in his twenties -- dressed in a black T-shirt, black shorts that would have been mistaken for a belt if they were any shorter, and white sneakers with no socks (Miss Amanda deducted points for that). Nothing else. I'd gladly go to heaven if you were the usher, I thought. Except that I prefer more muscular legs -- his were rather spindly.
  • I'd gladly go to heaven if you were the usher, I thought. Except that I prefer more muscular legs -- his were rather spindly.

    Well, maybe you can have the young-man-in-gray from the Paula White video assisting him!

    (Seriously, WTF was up with that? Dude looked like he was reading the morning paper on his way to the bus stop. Only he kept turning around and walking the in the previous direction, with the exact same posture and demeanour.)



  • @Amanda B Reckondwyth - I always assume that there is someone else as shallow as me on the ship.

    I meant to also say that these people are actually not good technically - they claim to be prophets, but their prophecies are as reliable as Uri Gellar. So they are not even decent genuine prophetic* voices.

    *Another word that has been co=opeted in some areas to me "Fundamentalist, right-wing". Sadly. There are prophets, but they are mostly on the political left.
  • edited November 2020
    So they are not even decent genuine prophetic* voices.

    *Another word that has been co=opeted in some areas

    It's on my mind that the OT prophets (that is, The Prophets) were not much into futurological predictions, but big into speaking Truth to power. This lot want to predict a flattering future for themselves while sucking power's cheesy c*ck.
  • So they are not even decent genuine prophetic* voices.

    *Another word that has been co=opeted in some areas

    It's on my mind that the OT prophets (that is, The Prophets) were not much into futurological predictions, but big into speaking Truth to power.

    I'd go along with that; Philip Alston was a prophet.
  • Isn't the Old Testament penalty for false propheting death?
  • I was looking him up - adviser to Jimmy Carter?
  • mousethief wrote: »
    Isn't the Old Testament penalty for false propheting death?

    Yeah, and afaict when actually enacted court prophets were the target.
  • mousethief wrote: »
    Isn't the Old Testament penalty for false propheting death?

    Stoning.

    And @mark_in_manchester - yes, "prophetic" should mean speaking truth and challenging power (irrespective of politics). It is not futurology at all - the results predicted were given as warnings, and they came to pass, because the warnings were not heeded.

    If I tell you "Carry on driving like that and you will have an accident", and you carry on and have an accident, that is not future-telling. That is warning for NOW.

    The likes of White and Copeland and the others around Trump do have biblical precedents. And they are not good. They are false prophets, fawning to a leader. Prophets of the Christian God will tell it like it is, and risk everything to do so.
  • The bad side of me :naughty: pictures a scene somewhat akin to Ezekiel and the Prophets of Baal in the Bible (you know, the sacred book these false *prophets* quote so much...).

    Just imagine Copeland, White, Dollar, Hinn, and all the rest of them, frantically calling upon *Gard*, whilst gashing themselves with knives and lancets until the blood gushes out upon them.

    An edifying spectacle, to be followed, in this case, by fire from Heaven consuming them , rather than the sacrifice...
    :innocent:
  • mousethief wrote: »
    Isn't the Old Testament penalty for false propheting death?

    Stoning.

    And @mark_in_manchester - yes, "prophetic" should mean speaking truth and challenging power (irrespective of politics). It is not futurology at all - the results predicted were given as warnings, and they came to pass, because the warnings were not heeded.

    If I tell you "Carry on driving like that and you will have an accident", and you carry on and have an accident, that is not future-telling. That is warning for NOW.

    The likes of White and Copeland and the others around Trump do have biblical precedents. And they are not good. They are false prophets, fawning to a leader. Prophets of the Christian God will tell it like it is, and risk everything to do so.

    One hardly needs to be a prophet to issue safety warnings based on known dangers.
  • The role of the prophet is to state what's obvious, and to tell the people in positions of authority that they're being silly buggers. The prophet is the little boy who tells the Emperor that he has no clothes.
  • Yes, and he also points out to the People that the Emperor is nekkid...
  • mousethief wrote: »
    mousethief wrote: »
    Isn't the Old Testament penalty for false propheting death?

    Stoning.

    And @mark_in_manchester - yes, "prophetic" should mean speaking truth and challenging power (irrespective of politics). It is not futurology at all - the results predicted were given as warnings, and they came to pass, because the warnings were not heeded.

    If I tell you "Carry on driving like that and you will have an accident", and you carry on and have an accident, that is not future-telling. That is warning for NOW.

    The likes of White and Copeland and the others around Trump do have biblical precedents. And they are not good. They are false prophets, fawning to a leader. Prophets of the Christian God will tell it like it is, and risk everything to do so.

    One hardly needs to be a prophet to issue safety warnings based on known dangers.

    Given how many people ignore sensible advice based on known information, I might disagree. But it is more about challenging priorities. So in my example, "You will have an accident, and you might hurt other people. You need to stop, however much you feel you are OK". It is challenging the perceptions, and helping people see the correct priorities, from a diffferent perspective.

    That wider/external/other perspective is the prophetic aspect. It can seem obvious.
  • Sorry if it's been said, but are we OK with profaning female body parts in Hell? My wife is allowed to at home of course, the 'T' word but NEVER the 'C' word. I use the 'F' word 'sparingly' but nearly always about Trump. Even that has undertones of male sexual 'assertiveness' at least. Bastard and bollocks abound.
  • My understanding is that it is allowed, and some of us feel quite strongly it should be: but in deference to some cultural differences and the feelings of at least one of the hell hosts, most of us avoid it most of the time.
  • Martin54 wrote: »
    Sorry if it's been said, but are we OK with profaning female body parts in Hell? My wife is allowed to at home of course, the 'T' word but NEVER the 'C' word. I use the 'F' word 'sparingly' but nearly always about Trump. Even that has undertones of male sexual 'assertiveness' at least. Bastard and bollocks abound.

    What the fuck is this "allowed to"? You allow your wife to do things?
  • Preach it, sister Lamb!
  • Martin54Martin54 Shipmate
    edited November 2020
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Sorry if it's been said, but are we OK with profaning female body parts in Hell? My wife is allowed to at home of course, the 'T' word but NEVER the 'C' word. I use the 'F' word 'sparingly' but nearly always about Trump. Even that has undertones of male sexual 'assertiveness' at least. Bastard and bollocks abound.

    What the fuck is this "allowed to"? You allow your wife to do things?

    She allows herself. I mean really. Do take it as read that I'm a Guardian man, eh? She tells me to foxtrot oscar regularly in the heat of battle, which is a fascinating experience every time. I never react. Apart from to apologize. If she chose to use the 'C' word, that is nowt ter do wi' me, she owns it, as Black folk do the... word.
  • Martin54 wrote: »
    She allows herself. I mean really. Do take it as read that I'm a Guardian man, eh? She tells me to foxtrot oscar regularly in the heat of battle, which is a fascinating experience every time. I never react. Apart from to apologize. If she chose to use the 'C' word, that is nowt ter do wi' me, she owns it, as Black folk do the... word.

    Why would we take it as read? You could just be clear in what you write. Only three more characters are required to type "because she's female" as compared to "at home of course", and they give a whole different flavour to your post. Try it some time.
  • Yeahhh. OK. My apologies. Point taken. I'd have to sew them on again first of course. And I apologize to her (eventually... sometimes) for causing her to tell me where to go.
  • I'm against the use of "the c word" here, or anywhere. Same for such words about male anatomy.
  • My understanding is that it is allowed, and some of us feel quite strongly it should be: but in deference to some cultural differences and the feelings of at least one of the hell hosts, most of us avoid it most of the time.

    It is permitted. Under the heading of just because you can doesn’t mean you should.

    Please let’s not do c-gate again. I really don’t have the spoons - or forks or knives - for another discussion like the last one.
  • Jusr change it and forget about it; bad unthinking call by me. "Fucking cretin" will do.
  • Tubbs--

    Ah, good ol' Spoon Theory!

    I find it helpful, too. Interestingly, it's even made it to Wikipedia and WebMD!
  • Not tithing? ;)
  • I expect the daemonic Copeland will be annoyed to see himself described as merely a millionaire.

    IIRC, he was filmed at some sort of quasi-religious *service* some years ago, boasting about being a billionaire...
    :grimace:
  • mousethief wrote: »

    If and when he gets through this, he'll have one more reason to be completely insufferable.
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