Break Glass - 2020 USA Elections

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  • Barnabas62 wrote: »
    Golden Key wrote: »

    Coupled with Michael Flynn’s incendiary comments about martial law and the blizzard of new Pentagon appointments, there may be more going on than just bloody minded obstruction. I would not be surprised if Trump is exploring ways of staying in command by force. I appreciate that is a pretty crazy idea but the President’s behaviour is looking increasingly unhinged. Divorced from reality and enabled in that by a number of really bad actors, in the media, in his legal
    support and in Congress.

    The Red Hats are not going to just slip away quietly into exile ...
  • chrisstiles--

    ...not to mention worrying about possible Q-anon members, extreme AlwaysTrump folk, white supremacists, people who've gone way over the edge about End Times..

    and while they're using a Sorting Hat, they need to ditch rapists, sexual assaulters, and harassers.
    :rage:
  • Reminds me of Brown Shirts or Blackshirts. God have mercy!
  • Barnabas62Barnabas62 Purgatory Host, 8th Day Host, Epiphanies Host
    edited December 2020
    Apparently there was a heated discussion in the White House on Friday about the possible use of martial law to overturn the election ....
  • And here's the CNN report on this.
  • Wesley J wrote: »
    And here's the CNN report on this.

    Nothing new in that citation. It does say Flynn is arguing for martial law, but that was already known. Looks like the conversation was about whether to name Powell as special Counsel to look at the election. However, she had already been fired by Trump and Congress could easily defund the Special Counsel program,

    Note, while Flynn has been pardon for past sins, he has since committed sedition by arguing for martial law.
  • Barnabas62 wrote: »
    Apparently there was a heated discussion in the White House on Friday about the possible use of martial law to overturn the election ....

    This ...
  • We have used the jumping the shark metaphor already, huh...
  • We had a patient at the hospital where I work whose delusion was that he had a very important government job (the fact that he was in a state hospital meant that it was a posting, not incarceration). He spent much of his time doing "paperwork"--writing reports, which he sometimes mailed to various agencies and officials (we occasionally got perplexed responses). It's not hard to imagine Trump in his office at Mar-a-Lago signing imaginary executive orders and tweeting about how the deep state is undermining him--while millions join in his delusion. That's the happy ending.
  • It's not hard to imagine Trump in his office at Mar-a-Lago signing imaginary executive orders and tweeting about how the deep state is undermining him--while millions join in his delusion. That's the happy ending.

    Like father, like son.
  • We had a patient at the hospital where I work whose delusion was that he had a very important government job (the fact that he was in a state hospital meant that it was a posting, not incarceration). He spent much of his time doing "paperwork"--writing reports, which he sometimes mailed to various agencies and officials (we occasionally got perplexed responses). It's not hard to imagine Trump in his office at Mar-a-Lago signing imaginary executive orders and tweeting about how the deep state is undermining him--while millions join in his delusion. That's the happy ending.

    LOL
  • Not sure where this goes; but the election is evidently part of it, so I'll try it here.

    Virginia Deputy Fired After Far-Right Calls For Violence On Social Media:
    A post on Aaron Hoffman’s Parler account suggested that Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts’ life “needs to be shortened.”
    (HuffPost).


    Given this past year, I'm worried that the US is on a path where all the craziness, sin, sludge, and toxins in the big American closet will (have to?) spill out before any fixing and healing can succeed. That's hundreds of years of crap. Suitable for Hercules' task of cleaning the Augean stables (Wikipedia)
  • Golden Key wrote: »
    Not sure where this goes; but the election is evidently part of it, so I'll try it here.

    Virginia Deputy Fired After Far-Right Calls For Violence On Social Media:
    A post on Aaron Hoffman’s Parler account suggested that Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts’ life “needs to be shortened.”
    (HuffPost).


    Given this past year, I'm worried that the US is on a path where all the craziness, sin, sludge, and toxins in the big American closet will (have to?) spill out before any fixing and healing can succeed. That's hundreds of years of crap. Suitable for Hercules' task of cleaning the Augean stables (Wikipedia)

    You've got to wonder whether having a Parler account ought to be considered suspicious even of itself. It's Sto***ront for the twitter age.
  • Aha. I know of the one you allude to, and that one definitely is suspicious, AIUI. Never heard of Parler before.

    I wonder if this is another example of people on social media losing all connection with reality and consequences, and thinking it's ok to say whatever they want--'cause "everyone else is".

    His comment should be taken very seriously. I just marvel that he actually posted it.

    Yikes.
  • Parler is pretty much populated by fascists who got booted from twitter for advocating fascist ideas and think they're being persecuted.
  • Golden Key wrote: »
    I wonder if this is another example of people on social media losing all connection with reality and consequences, and thinking it's ok to say whatever they want--'cause "everyone else is".

    I would think you might be right - though this is something that maturity might be expected to lessen in us. People say the most amazing things over a few drinks in the pub, and it used to be a rare few who went to the trouble of publishing those thoughts in print.
  • Ok, perhaps a new one. Maybe they could all play Twister together?
  • Golden Key wrote: »
    I wonder if this is another example of people on social media losing all connection with reality and consequences, and thinking it's ok to say whatever they want--'cause "everyone else is".

    I would think you might be right - though this is something that maturity might be expected to lessen in us. People say the most amazing things over a few drinks in the pub, and it used to be a rare few who went to the trouble of publishing those thoughts in print.

    This reminds me of a Kevin Bridges routine about Trump. Bridges is from Glasgow, so he uses the f-bomb like you and I might use a conjunction.
  • Simon Toad wrote: »
    Golden Key wrote: »
    I wonder if this is another example of people on social media losing all connection with reality and consequences, and thinking it's ok to say whatever they want--'cause "everyone else is".

    I would think you might be right - though this is something that maturity might be expected to lessen in us. People say the most amazing things over a few drinks in the pub, and it used to be a rare few who went to the trouble of publishing those thoughts in print.

    This reminds me of a Kevin Bridges routine about Trump. Bridges is from Glasgow, so he uses the f-bomb like you and I might use a conjunction.

    So fucking tedious.
  • HuiaHuia Shipmate
    Good one Mousethief.
  • Golden Key wrote: »
    Ok, perhaps a new one. Maybe they could all play Twister together?

    Anybody remember Funny Bones, Parker Brothers rip-off of Twister, only using cards instead of a spinner?

    Also, more blatantly marketed with the racy implications intact...

    "Perfect for family fun, and adult evening entertainment."

    Uh-huh.
  • mousethief wrote: »
    Simon Toad wrote: »
    Golden Key wrote: »
    I wonder if this is another example of people on social media losing all connection with reality and consequences, and thinking it's ok to say whatever they want--'cause "everyone else is".

    I would think you might be right - though this is something that maturity might be expected to lessen in us. People say the most amazing things over a few drinks in the pub, and it used to be a rare few who went to the trouble of publishing those thoughts in print.

    This reminds me of a Kevin Bridges routine about Trump. Bridges is from Glasgow, so he uses the f-bomb like you and I might use a conjunction.

    So fucking tedious.

    I rather thought he had Trump down - "enjoy your night mate".
  • Simon Toad wrote: »
    mousethief wrote: »
    Simon Toad wrote: »
    Golden Key wrote: »
    I wonder if this is another example of people on social media losing all connection with reality and consequences, and thinking it's ok to say whatever they want--'cause "everyone else is".

    I would think you might be right - though this is something that maturity might be expected to lessen in us. People say the most amazing things over a few drinks in the pub, and it used to be a rare few who went to the trouble of publishing those thoughts in print.

    This reminds me of a Kevin Bridges routine about Trump. Bridges is from Glasgow, so he uses the f-bomb like you and I might use a conjunction.

    So fucking tedious.

    I rather thought he had Trump down - "enjoy your night mate".
    I think you may have missed mt’s joke. :wink:

  • Nick Tamen wrote: »
    I think you may have missed mt’s joke. :wink:

    Story of my life.
  • Really? I read it as a reaction to perceived anti-American bias on Kevin's part. Sorry about that MT.
  • Simon Toad wrote: »
    Really? I read it as a reaction to perceived anti-American bias on Kevin's part. Sorry about that MT.

    We're good.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited January 3
    Golden Key wrote: »

    "But the senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not explain his nudity."

  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    Wood wrote:

    We have also learned that the Globalists like George Soros & the Elitists like Bill Gates were involved. CIA too(no surprise- military industrial complex).

    Nice to see a Republican finally picking up the torch from Eisenhower. Sort of.
  • That link about Lin Wood is bananas. Cheers GK. Stetson's response is great too, but I fear that the classic LBJ comment (I want to hear the bastard deny it) no longer applies!!!
  • stetson wrote: »
    Wood wrote:

    We have also learned that the Globalists like George Soros & the Elitists like Bill Gates were involved. CIA too(no surprise- military industrial complex).

    Nice to see a Republican finally picking up the torch from Eisenhower. Sort of.

    I'm not one for hearing anti-semitic dog-whistles everywhere but could that "Globalists" be any more blatant?
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited January 3
    stetson wrote: »
    Wood wrote:

    We have also learned that the Globalists like George Soros & the Elitists like Bill Gates were involved. CIA too(no surprise- military industrial complex).

    Nice to see a Republican finally picking up the torch from Eisenhower. Sort of.

    I'm not one for hearing anti-semitic dog-whistles everywhere but could that "Globalists" be any more blatant?

    Within the context of "Soros", etc, yes.

    Thing is, though, since about the mid-90s, "globalization" has been a villain for the left as well, without most of the "anti-globalization" movement intending it as anti-semitic. So a lot of people who hear the term used by the MAGA crowd might not pick up on the innuendo.

    (Personally, I was never a huge fan of the left-wing anti-globalization movement, so if its terminology gets discredited by association with Trump and Brexit, that's pretty much okay by me. It's kinda their own fault, since the aims of the movement were always kinda nebulous, and hence an open-invitation to hijacking.)
  • This will become still more interesting ... *shudder*
  • The Washington Post has released a tape of an hour-long phone call between Trump and the (GOP) Sec'y. of State of Georgia, demanding (again) a re-working of the vote in Georgia so that The Emperor can win the state after all ...
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    The Washington Post has released a tape of an hour-long phone call between Trump and the (GOP) Sec'y. of State of Georgia, demanding (again) a re-working of the vote in Georgia so that The Emperor can win the state after all ...

    Senator Tim Kaine in reaction to that phone call said the only way to deal with a bully is not to appease him because he will continue to bully but to stand up to him. I hope the Georgia SoS will tell him to stuff it.
  • Gramps49 wrote: »
    The Washington Post has released a tape of an hour-long phone call between Trump and the (GOP) Sec'y. of State of Georgia, demanding (again) a re-working of the vote in Georgia so that The Emperor can win the state after all ...

    Senator Tim Kaine in reaction to that phone call said the only way to deal with a bully is not to appease him because he will continue to bully but to stand up to him. I hope the Georgia SoS will tell him to stuff it.

    Reportedly, he did so ...
  • Really disappointed to see figures like Cruz and Pence still pandering to Trump's attempts to undermine the election result. I suppose I ought to expect it but nevertheless it's somehow especially depressing.
  • Here's the Washington Post story.

    You can hear some of the audio HERE on youtube.

    Just jaw dropping. Surely now Pence and ths other lunatics have to stop the nonsense, accept the result, and denounce Trump?
  • Really disappointed to see figures like Cruz and Pence still pandering to Trump's attempts to undermine the election result. I suppose I ought to expect it but nevertheless it's somehow especially depressing.

    In 2016, The Republican Party became The Party of Trump ...
  • Really disappointed to see figures like Cruz and Pence still pandering to Trump's attempts to undermine the election result. I suppose I ought to expect it but nevertheless it's somehow especially depressing.

    In 2016, The Republican Party became The Party of Trump ...

    Sure, but you'd hope that someone who characterised Trump as a "pathological liar" in 2016 might be keen to get "out from under" at the first possible opportunity.
  • CrœsosCrœsos Shipmate
    You can hear some of the audio HERE on youtube.

    For those with the stamina for such things (and a willingness to use one of your monthly Washington Post clicks) the whole conversation is available here. It's 1:02:40 long.
    Just jaw dropping. Surely now Pence and the other lunatics have to stop the nonsense, accept the result, and denounce Trump?

    I'd like to think so, but probably not. This reminds me of another recent article in the Washington Post recommending some measures to overhaul American democracy and increase public confidence in elections. While a lot of them are good ideas (especially eliminating the electoral college), the basic flaw is in the premise that Republicans are genuinely concerned about election security and ease of voting. They're not. They're upset that they lost and they're making a lot of bad faith arguments to justify throwing out an election and giving them a win they didn't earn. That's all there is to it. I don't know what the answer is to the Republicans' sociopathy, but electoral reforms aren't going to satisfy them. They just want to rule (not govern).
  • Amanda B ReckondwythAmanda B Reckondwyth Mystery Worship Editor
    Washington Post articles are behind a paywall. But I was able to see:
    Trump has urged supporters to travel to Washington to protest the outcome, and state and federal officials are already bracing for clashes outside the Capitol.
    The streets of Washington will flow with blood on Wednesday. Wait and see. And what will all these Repugnicans do then?
  • Really disappointed to see figures like Cruz and Pence still pandering to Trump's attempts to undermine the election result. I suppose I ought to expect it but nevertheless it's somehow especially depressing.

    In 2016, The Republican Party became The Party of Trump ...

    Sure, but you'd hope that someone who characterised Trump as a "pathological liar" in 2016 might be keen to get "out from under" at the first possible opportunity.

    Problem will be -- for a long time to come -- The Red Hat Brown Shirts, who if anything, love The Leader more than ever ...

    The Emperor got more votes in 2020 than He did in 2016 ... This will be ugly for a long time ...
  • Golden KeyGolden Key Shipmate
    edited January 3
    As I linked to above, the homes of both Mitch McConnell and Nancy Pelosi were graffitied. Well,...

    "Trump supporters gather in front of Marco Rubio’s West Miami home. ‘You work for us.’" (Miami Herald, via Yahoo.)

    Note the last line:
    “Sometimes we gotta be pacifists, but sometimes we gotta get shit done.”

    And the Proud Boys were there.

    :fearful:
  • Golden Key wrote: »
    As I linked to above, the homes of both Mitch McConnell and Nancy Pelosi were graffitied. Well,...

    "Trump supporters gather in front of Marco Rubio’s West Miami home. ‘You work for us.’" (Miami Herald, via Yahoo.)

    Note the last line:
    “Sometimes we gotta be pacifists, but sometimes we gotta get shit done.”

    And the Proud Boys were there.

    :fearful:

    The Red Hat Brown Shirts aren't going to just go away on January 21 ...
  • Vis-a-vis DT's suggestion that votes be "found", one commentator said if this sort of evidence surfaced in, say, an African country, a US president would be calling for UN troops to be sent in.
  • Barnabas62Barnabas62 Purgatory Host, 8th Day Host, Epiphanies Host
    edited January 4
    Apparently Raffensperger recorded the call, gave strict instructions that the recording would not be released unless Trump attacked him publicly. Which Trump did in a tweet.

    By any standards it is a remarkable conversation. But I think Croesos is probably right about the impact of its release. However, I wouldn’t be in the least surprised if some of the content is used in any debates in Congress later this week. By both Republicans and Democrats.

    And yes, I’m concerned now about the risks of violence on the streets.
  • I periodically wonder if T is going to do a Rumplestiltskin*, stamping angrily in a circle, over and over, until he wears a hole in the ground, falls in, and is never seen again.*

    *Character in European fairy tale, by the same name.
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