When does voting end?
When are the results likely to be known?
Polls close at 7:00 pm Eastern time. Results will start trickling in from various precincts shortly after that. How soon it will take to declare the winners will depend on how close the elections are. Unless one or both of the races are exceptionally close I'd guess the winners will likely be known by midnight Eastern time.
His behaviour is all of a piece with his behaviour as a businessman. He was constantly threatening to sue other people if they didn't give him what he wanted (and regularly being sued for his own misdeeds).
The man is nothing more than a narcissist who, thanks to inherited wealth, has always been in a position to maintain a bubble in which He is utterly wonderful and a genius and everyone else's worth is directly correlated to how good they make Him feel.
The man has been denigrating "losers" for years. It's one of his most beloved insults. It isn't remotely surprising that losing an election - a popularity contest no less - is completely unfathomable in his universe and must be explained away in any way possible. We're talking about a man who couldn't cope with the notion that his Inauguration had small crowds, and a man who invented his own fake Time magazine cover.
At this point what's more shocking and despicable is how others have enabled him, and are still enabling him.
EDIT: The world has rarely seen such a fine example of where wealth and privilege can get you in the profound absence of talent.
Recalls *1933* ...
Thanks for apparently trying to use Godwin's Law, but Hitler was not wealthy and privileged.
Trump is definitely racist, xenophobic, and as much of an American nationalist as is compatible with his self-aggrandisement and his admiration for dictators. His appeal to the US far right is not a pure piece of calculation. I have not read Mein Kampf but I understand that it has all the intellectual coherence of a drunk calling LBC at one in the morning.
(Mussolini was actually rather more of a petty intellectual by temperament: the idea that he was less competent or intelligent than Hitler is I think merely a piece of anti-Italian stereotyping.)
Trump's life hero -- his daddy -- was KKK ... and the two of them in real estate business together were sued in US District Court for redlining brown people OUT of rentals ...
If the polls are exceptionally close,it might take until the weekend or longer. If they can know the results by midnight, the new Senators can be seated in the morning I think.
Thanks for apparently trying to use Godwin's Law, but Hitler was not wealthy and privileged.
IIRC Godwin has said that Godwin's lemma does not apply when discussing people who actually put children in cages.
... and who actively hate non-"white" people ... and who glorify and encourage inter-personal violence for political ends ... and who call forth Nuremberg-style rallies ... and who call for jailing of political opponents ... and who dearly dearly dearly wanted a military parade with tanks and battalions of marching troops ... and who openly express admiration for the governments of guys like Vlad Putin and Kim Jong-un ... and ...
If the polls are exceptionally close,it might take until the weekend or longer. If they can know the results by midnight, the new Senators can be seated in the morning I think.
The official results must come not from CNN or FauxNews, but from the Georgia Secretary of State ...
When does voting end?
When are the results likely to be known?
Polls close at 7:00 pm Eastern time. Results will start trickling in from various precincts shortly after that. How soon it will take to declare the winners will depend on how close the elections are. Unless one or both of the races are exceptionally close I'd guess the winners will likely be known by midnight Eastern time.
The winners may be known by then, but votes are accepted through Friday from servicemen and others overseas or voting by mail if I am not mistaken.
Wonder if the Georgia Sect'y of State is interested in running for governor? Voters might like someone who can stand up for them against the president.
As far as I can tell, prospects are looking decent for the Democrats because the Republican candidates are expected to lose ground as more of the remaining votes are counted. The New York Times is estimating the probability of both Democrats winning at about 60%: 85% for Warnock and 71% for Ossoff.
The New York Times is estimating the probability of both Democrats winning at about 60%: 85% for Warnock and 71% for Ossoff.
That looks like a miscalculation of probability: they're assuming that the chance of each Democrat winning is independent whereas a lot of factors that affect the probability of one winning, like reduced Republican turnout, will affect the other.
Sigh, yet again Trump and other people too dumb to understand that it takes longer to count the votes in more populated, Democrat-leaning areas are going to come up with conspiracies if the Republican lead disappears.
I wonder when they count the mailed-in votes. If at the end, we may well see a “red mirage” again in this election.
I think most of those were reported early, so there was a blue mirage that faded. But a lot of the outstanding votes are from heavily Democratic areas around Atlanta, hence the prediction of the NYT that both Democrats are likely to overtake their opponents.
I wonder when they count the mailed-in votes. If at the end, we may well see a “red mirage” again in this election.
I think most of those were reported early, so there was a blue mirage that faded. But a lot of the outstanding votes are from heavily Democratic areas around Atlanta, hence the prediction of the NYT that both Democrats are likely to overtake their opponents.
One commentator has called it a Democrat win for both seats.
Only fly in the ointment is that it looks as if Ossoff may find himself back in another re-run - a less than 0.5% majority, either for him or Perdue, looks to be on the cards.
As of just now, CBS had breaking news on TV: so far, it's Warnock (D) over Loeffler R); and Ossoff (D) and the other one (R) are pretty much tied.
Something like 1.5 million voters today. I know there was a move among African Americans to get more of them to come out than did for the general election in November.
Commentary here that if the Democrats pull this off, Stacey Abrams will have lots of political capital for whatever sort of role she wants in the party.
I was reading earlier that the deadline for armed services and overseas ballots is Friday, which could make for a very long week considering the razor-thin margins thus far. 2021 is already starting to feel long.
Trump is a political genius. A neo-fascist political genius who has made the alt and far right acceptable and polarized American politics more than at any time since the Civil War. Over the same issues. I fail to see anything clinical at all about his psychology. There is no evidence that he is a narcissist in his own front room. His legacy is assured way beyond the personal.
Trump is a political genius. A neo-fascist political genius who has made the alt and far right acceptable and polarized American politics more than at any time since the Civil War. Over the same issues. I fail to see anything clinical at all about his psychology. There is no evidence that he is a narcissist in his own front room. His legacy is assured way beyond the personal.
Oh please. If you think he's a genius you've drunk the Kool-Aid**. The man has certainly tapped into the right-wing political zeitgeist, but that's not the result of genius, that's the result of him semi-accidentally aligning with it in much the same way that a clock is right twice a day, and being supplied with a script at the crucial time.
And existing in an age where you can spout whatever you want directly to 'your' people without those annoying gatekeepers like journalists.
There's ample evidence that Trump is a mouthpiece of Fox News, not the other way around. Time and again the stuff that Trump tweets is stuff he's seen on Fox, sitting in that front room of his while chomping on burgers. He's not the genius, he's the stooge that's put up as a front.
As to your claim there's no evidence of being a narcissist in private, there is plenty. Where have you been for the last several years as the anecdotes emerge of what he says and how he behaves behind closed doors? For heaven's sake, I'll never forget Daniel Radcliffe talking about meeting Trump after the first Harry Potter film because they were both going on the same breakfast talk show. Trump thought that the exciting thing that Radcliffe should talk about on the show was meeting Trump.
**Noting they didn't actually drink Kool-Aid, but that's the expression.
As to your claim there's no evidence of being a narcissist in private, there is plenty. Where have you been for the last several years as the anecdotes emerge of what he says and how he behaves behind closed doors? For heaven's sake, I'll never forget Daniel Radcliffe talking about meeting Trump after the first Harry Potter film because they were both going on the same breakfast talk show. Trump thought that the exciting thing that Radcliffe should talk about on the show was meeting Trump.
Concerning Ratzenburger, Stacey Adams was not kind about his record on Colbert. She said that he was an active participant in a scheme to suppress the vote, but I didn't understand the detail. She said he was standing up for the integrity of the November election because he ran it.
Trump is a political genius. A neo-fascist political genius who has made the alt and far right acceptable and polarized American politics more than at any time since the Civil War. Over the same issues. I fail to see anything clinical at all about his psychology. There is no evidence that he is a narcissist in his own front room. His legacy is assured way beyond the personal.
Oh please. If you think he's a genius you've drunk the Kool-Aid**. The man has certainly tapped into the right-wing political zeitgeist, but that's not the result of genius, that's the result of him semi-accidentally aligning with it in much the same way that a clock is right twice a day, and being supplied with a script at the crucial time.
And existing in an age where you can spout whatever you want directly to 'your' people without those annoying gatekeepers like journalists.
There's ample evidence that Trump is a mouthpiece of Fox News, not the other way around. Time and again the stuff that Trump tweets is stuff he's seen on Fox, sitting in that front room of his while chomping on burgers. He's not the genius, he's the stooge that's put up as a front.
As to your claim there's no evidence of being a narcissist in private, there is plenty. Where have you been for the last several years as the anecdotes emerge of what he says and how he behaves behind closed doors? For heaven's sake, I'll never forget Daniel Radcliffe talking about meeting Trump after the first Harry Potter film because they were both going on the same breakfast talk show. Trump thought that the exciting thing that Radcliffe should talk about on the show was meeting Trump.
**Noting they didn't actually drink Kool-Aid, but that's the expression.
Er, Fox know what he'll say. They are the Machiavellian genii, the Beast, but he is the real deal, he is the Beast's Prophet. Crazy like a fox.
And the truly lovely drone king Obama wouldn't have said, with all ironic irony 'Hey, and you got to meet the President of the USA!'?
And the truly lovely drone king Obama wouldn't have said, with all ironic irony 'Hey, and you got to meet the President of the USA!'?
Not ten years before he became the president, no!
Details, shmetails. It says NOTHING about clinical narcissism. Trump was presenting the initially phenomenally successful The Apprentice? From 2004. When were he and Radcliffe together?
I wonder when they count the mailed-in votes. If at the end, we may well see a “red mirage” again in this election.
I think most of those were reported early, so there was a blue mirage that faded. But a lot of the outstanding votes are from heavily Democratic areas around Atlanta, hence the prediction of the NYT that both Democrats are likely to overtake their opponents.
[ X X fingers crossed ... X X legs crossed ... ]
I've never met you. but I'm guessing that that should be "X X fingers crossed ... X legs crossed ... "
Concerning Ratzenburger, Stacey Adams was not kind about his record on Colbert. She said that he was an active participant in a scheme to suppress the vote, but I didn't understand the detail.
I assume the usual mixture of clearing the electoral register of people who have died or moved without checking that people with black-sounding names are actually dead, clearing the electoral register of duplicates without checking that they're actually duplicates, setting up polling stations preferentially in areas likely to vote Republican, so on and so forth.
Still he does seem to be taking the line that while it's fair to discourage voting if they manage to vote anyway it should be counted. Which isn't quite the spirit of the thing but is better than no principles at all.
And the truly lovely drone king Obama wouldn't have said, with all ironic irony 'Hey, and you got to meet the President of the USA!'?
Not ten years before he became the president, no!
Details, shmetails. It says NOTHING about clinical narcissism. Trump was presenting the initially phenomenally successful The Apprentice? From 2004. When were he and Radcliffe together?
If it was just after the first Harry Potter film, that would have been 2001... details, I guess...
One commentator has called it a Democrat win for both seats.
Only fly in the ointment is that it looks as if Ossoff may find himself back in another re-run - a less than 0.5% majority, either for him or Perdue, looks to be on the cards.
I wonder when they count the mailed-in votes. If at the end, we may well see a “red mirage” again in this election.
I think most of those were reported early, so there was a blue mirage that faded. But a lot of the outstanding votes are from heavily Democratic areas around Atlanta, hence the prediction of the NYT that both Democrats are likely to overtake their opponents.
[ X X fingers crossed ... X X legs crossed ... ]
I've never met you. but I'm guessing that that should be "X X fingers crossed ... X legs crossed ... "
As a bio major, I think in tetrapod terms, but yes, I should have used the more accurately inclusive "limbs" rather than "legs" ... Thank you for noticing ...
And the truly lovely drone king Obama wouldn't have said, with all ironic irony 'Hey, and you got to meet the President of the USA!'?
Not ten years before he became the president, no!
Details, shmetails. It says NOTHING about clinical narcissism. Trump was presenting the initially phenomenally successful The Apprentice? From 2004. When were he and Radcliffe together?
If it was just after the first Harry Potter film, that would have been 2001... details, I guess...
So Trump was only a 55 year old Manhattan property, sports (football, wrestling, boxing), airline, hotel, 'beauty' pageant billionaire? And TV celeb from '85? Best selling author in '87? 'Starting in the 1990s, Trump was a guest about 24 times on the nationally syndicated Howard Stern Show.'.
And the truly lovely drone king Obama wouldn't have said, with all ironic irony 'Hey, and you got to meet the President of the USA!'?
Not ten years before he became the president, no!
Details, shmetails. It says NOTHING about clinical narcissism. Trump was presenting the initially phenomenally successful The Apprentice? From 2004. When were he and Radcliffe together?
If it was just after the first Harry Potter film, that would have been 2001... details, I guess...
So Trump was only a 55 year old Manhattan property, sports (football, wrestling, boxing), airline, hotel, 'beauty' pageant billionaire? And TV celeb from '85? Best selling author in '87? 'Starting in the 1990s, Trump was a guest about 24 times on the nationally syndicated Howard Stern Show.'.
Daniel Radcliffe was 12.
...and was from the UK where Trump is none of those things and had probably never even heard of him.
And the truly lovely drone king Obama wouldn't have said, with all ironic irony 'Hey, and you got to meet the President of the USA!'?
Not ten years before he became the president, no!
Details, shmetails. It says NOTHING about clinical narcissism. Trump was presenting the initially phenomenally successful The Apprentice? From 2004. When were he and Radcliffe together?
If it was just after the first Harry Potter film, that would have been 2001... details, I guess...
So Trump was only a 55 year old Manhattan property, sports (football, wrestling, boxing), airline, hotel, 'beauty' pageant billionaire? And TV celeb from '85? Best selling author in '87? 'Starting in the 1990s, Trump was a guest about 24 times on the nationally syndicated Howard Stern Show.'.
Daniel Radcliffe was 12.
A 12-year old who had just played Harry Potter. There are going to be a lot more exciting things in his life than meeting some businessman who was famous when his parents were young.
My Lockhart comparison is quite good if I do say so myself. Lockhart is indeed somewhat famous but due to his narcissism fails to realise that he is not "all that" to everyone and that Harry might not have the faintest interest in him. Oh yes and Lockhart's fame turns out to be based on mostly fraudulent achievements of dubious morality...
To recap the vote. Initial counting from urban areas showed both Democrats with substantial leads, but then the rural vote started coming in which was heavily Republican. Still, the votes from the urban areas were still being counted and the Democrat vote gradually caught up and overtook the Republican vote. The final count will be finished by Friday because of mail-in ballots and military votes still coming in.
Looks like McConnell is finally losing control of the Senate.
There's ample evidence that Trump is a mouthpiece of Fox News, not the other way around. Time and again the stuff that Trump tweets is stuff he's seen on Fox, sitting in that front room of his while chomping on burgers. He's not the genius, he's the stooge that's put up as a front.
I think you’ve got this backwards. Fox opposed him at the start of the 2016 race but knuckled under in time for the general election. Now they feed him what he wants for the same reason all his other lackeys do.
So Trump was only a 55 year old Manhattan property, sports (football, wrestling, boxing), airline, hotel, 'beauty' pageant billionaire? And TV celeb from '85? Best selling author in '87? 'Starting in the 1990s, Trump was a guest about 24 times on the nationally syndicated Howard Stern Show.'.
Daniel Radcliffe was 12.
And what 12-year-old boy cares about any of that? Trump was a rich old guy in a suit. He didn't play sports, and didn't have anything at all to do with sports that a 12-year-old Brit was likely to know much about. Meeting a premier league footballer would be a pretty big deal for a typical 12-year-old. Meeting Roman Abramovich (Russian oligarch who owns Chelsea FC) would be much less interesting. The books he "wrote" are of no interest to a 12-year-old boy. There are plenty of more famous authors that most 12-year-old boys wouldn't care about meeting, either.
And the truly lovely drone king Obama wouldn't have said, with all ironic irony 'Hey, and you got to meet the President of the USA!'?
Not ten years before he became the president, no!
Details, shmetails. It says NOTHING about clinical narcissism. Trump was presenting the initially phenomenally successful The Apprentice? From 2004. When were he and Radcliffe together?
If it was just after the first Harry Potter film, that would have been 2001... details, I guess...
So Trump was only a 55 year old Manhattan property, sports (football, wrestling, boxing), airline, hotel, 'beauty' pageant billionaire? And TV celeb from '85? Best selling author in '87? 'Starting in the 1990s, Trump was a guest about 24 times on the nationally syndicated Howard Stern Show.'.
Daniel Radcliffe was 12.
Even a 12 year old could easily realize that “the exciting thing that [he] should talk about on the show” would be the movie he had just starred in and was sent there to promote, not meeting another guest.
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Polls close at 7:00 pm Eastern time. Results will start trickling in from various precincts shortly after that. How soon it will take to declare the winners will depend on how close the elections are. Unless one or both of the races are exceptionally close I'd guess the winners will likely be known by midnight Eastern time.
Thanks for apparently trying to use Godwin's Law, but Hitler was not wealthy and privileged.
Trump's life hero -- his daddy -- was KKK ... and the two of them in real estate business together were sued in US District Court for redlining brown people OUT of rentals ...
As opposed to previous administrations who build them?
Of all the Trump accusations, that's one of the wobblier ones. I think the man is horrendous but I also believe in paying attention to fact-checking.
... and who actively hate non-"white" people ... and who glorify and encourage inter-personal violence for political ends ... and who call forth Nuremberg-style rallies ... and who call for jailing of political opponents ... and who dearly dearly dearly wanted a military parade with tanks and battalions of marching troops ... and who openly express admiration for the governments of guys like Vlad Putin and Kim Jong-un ... and ...
The official results must come not from CNN or FauxNews, but from the Georgia Secretary of State ...
Whom we all know and admire a whole lot more than we did just a few days ago.
The winners may be known by then, but votes are accepted through Friday from servicemen and others overseas or voting by mail if I am not mistaken.
Yes indeed. And pity, for the tortures he's been put through.
[ X X fingers crossed ... X X legs crossed ... ]
Ossoff is trailing by 0.04%.
Only fly in the ointment is that it looks as if Ossoff may find himself back in another re-run - a less than 0.5% majority, either for him or Perdue, looks to be on the cards.
Something like 1.5 million voters today. I know there was a move among African Americans to get more of them to come out than did for the general election in November.
Oh please. If you think he's a genius you've drunk the Kool-Aid**. The man has certainly tapped into the right-wing political zeitgeist, but that's not the result of genius, that's the result of him semi-accidentally aligning with it in much the same way that a clock is right twice a day, and being supplied with a script at the crucial time.
And existing in an age where you can spout whatever you want directly to 'your' people without those annoying gatekeepers like journalists.
There's ample evidence that Trump is a mouthpiece of Fox News, not the other way around. Time and again the stuff that Trump tweets is stuff he's seen on Fox, sitting in that front room of his while chomping on burgers. He's not the genius, he's the stooge that's put up as a front.
As to your claim there's no evidence of being a narcissist in private, there is plenty. Where have you been for the last several years as the anecdotes emerge of what he says and how he behaves behind closed doors? For heaven's sake, I'll never forget Daniel Radcliffe talking about meeting Trump after the first Harry Potter film because they were both going on the same breakfast talk show. Trump thought that the exciting thing that Radcliffe should talk about on the show was meeting Trump.
**Noting they didn't actually drink Kool-Aid, but that's the expression.
Hah, rather like Gilderoy Lockhart!
Er, Fox know what he'll say. They are the Machiavellian genii, the Beast, but he is the real deal, he is the Beast's Prophet. Crazy like a fox.
And the truly lovely drone king Obama wouldn't have said, with all ironic irony 'Hey, and you got to meet the President of the USA!'?
Half way there.
And in the second half, the numbers look promising.
As will the presidential, I am enjoying following this on the FoxNews website...
AFZ
Not ten years before he became the president, no!
Really?
Details, shmetails. It says NOTHING about clinical narcissism. Trump was presenting the initially phenomenally successful The Apprentice? From 2004. When were he and Radcliffe together?
I've never met you. but I'm guessing that that should be "X X fingers crossed ... X legs crossed ... "
Still he does seem to be taking the line that while it's fair to discourage voting if they manage to vote anyway it should be counted. Which isn't quite the spirit of the thing but is better than no principles at all.
If it was just after the first Harry Potter film, that would have been 2001... details, I guess...
I think that means a recount, not a re-run ...
As a bio major, I think in tetrapod terms, but yes, I should have used the more accurately inclusive "limbs" rather than "legs" ... Thank you for noticing ...
Literally years before Mary published her book, many of us with clinical training and experience saw that Trump is a classic psychopath ...
So Trump was only a 55 year old Manhattan property, sports (football, wrestling, boxing), airline, hotel, 'beauty' pageant billionaire? And TV celeb from '85? Best selling author in '87? 'Starting in the 1990s, Trump was a guest about 24 times on the nationally syndicated Howard Stern Show.'.
Daniel Radcliffe was 12.
...and was from the UK where Trump is none of those things and had probably never even heard of him.
A 12-year old who had just played Harry Potter. There are going to be a lot more exciting things in his life than meeting some businessman who was famous when his parents were young.
My Lockhart comparison is quite good if I do say so myself. Lockhart is indeed somewhat famous but due to his narcissism fails to realise that he is not "all that" to everyone and that Harry might not have the faintest interest in him. Oh yes and Lockhart's fame turns out to be based on mostly fraudulent achievements of dubious morality...
Looks like McConnell is finally losing control of the Senate.
And what 12-year-old boy cares about any of that? Trump was a rich old guy in a suit. He didn't play sports, and didn't have anything at all to do with sports that a 12-year-old Brit was likely to know much about. Meeting a premier league footballer would be a pretty big deal for a typical 12-year-old. Meeting Roman Abramovich (Russian oligarch who owns Chelsea FC) would be much less interesting. The books he "wrote" are of no interest to a 12-year-old boy. There are plenty of more famous authors that most 12-year-old boys wouldn't care about meeting, either.