Since I come from a law enforcement family, I have a dog in this race ...
Asshole, everyone is affected by this to one degree or another, but Black people most of all. Your family members in law enforcement are considerably safer.
And ... the fact that I have a perspective and opinions based upon my own personal knowledge and training and life experience ... makes me an "asshole" ...
See, I think our entire society is in deep trouble and it isn't just because some of the police culture and practices need reform ... (in my opinion) ...
Oh fuck off you tedious shit.
LOL ... Well ... That certainly adds to the discussion ...
But again, I think that our entire society is in deep trouble ...
The observed fact that Trump got even more votes in 2020 than in 2016 is, as they say, a telltale sign ... IMHO ...
Votes from people who agree with you about cops. Might want to look around at your fellow travellers on the "if you're brown and the police shot you they had a good reason" bandwagon.
You know, it would have shown a little empathy to express regret at the death of the shipmate you were arguing with.
I wasn't arguing with a particular person, I was expressing -- as I am now -- a point of view ...
And you're still missing the point.
Let me write it out for you:
"Oh, I'm so sorry to hear that. What a pity. We could have had a great discussion. I'm sure she is much missed. Perhaps there is someone who would like to take up the topic now?"
This, by the way, is the proper form regardless of whether you give two hoots about the person or not.
Yeah, the cops in D.C. should just stand down quietly as the Red Hat Brown Shirts storm the Capitol ... Uh huh ...
Oh, wait ...
Let's send up a few social workers ...
But ... This discussion is supposed to be about "policing in America" and the need to reform it, and I agree that reforms are needed ... So ...
No, this thread is about your tendency to argue that cops must be in the right because they are cops, regardless of how much evidence there is to the contrary (which does nothing to nurture a sensible discussion about reforming policing in America, or elsewhere). It's a place to tell you you're being a wanker for doing that.
Now we'll add to that by pointing out that you've shown a tendency to post on long dormant threads, adding nothing that couldn't have been said when they were active, and blithely ignoring the fact that in waiting more than 3 months to respond you're now arguing against someone who we lost last year. You're a double wanker for that.
I haven't "waited for more than three months to respond" ...
I was OFF "the Ship" during that time ... (duh)
As to THIS particular discussion, I come from a law enforcement family -- including a great uncle who was shot to death when he interrupted a burglary in progress -- and so this topic is of personal interest to me ...
Fr. Teilhard doesn't seem to get the difference between "cops are not always right" and "cops are never right". Either that or he is not ashamed of employing strawman arguments. Or both.
Yeah, the cops in D.C. should just stand down quietly as the Red Hat Brown Shirts storm the Capitol ... Uh huh ...
Oh, wait ...
Let's send up a few social workers ...
I mean... That seems to be pretty much what they're doing? There have been a few wafts of tear gas, here and there, but nothing like what there was at the BLM protests over the summer. Somebody on Twitter commented that there was a better defense mounted for a Minneapolis Target store than the seat of our democracy.
Fr. Teilhard doesn't seem to get the difference between "cops are not always right" and "cops are never right". Either that or he is not ashamed of employing strawman arguments. Or both.
I've never thought or contended that "Cops are always right ..."
Yeah, the cops in D.C. should just stand down quietly as the Red Hat Brown Shirts storm the Capitol ... Uh huh ...
Oh, wait ...
Let's send up a few social workers ...
I mean... That seems to be pretty much what they're doing? There have been a few wafts of tear gas, here and there, but nothing like what there was at the BLM protests over the summer. Somebody on Twitter commented that there was a better defense mounted for a Minneapolis Target store than the seat of our democracy.
The cops fucking stood by and let the mob in. Fuck off with your defense of cops.
And, if it had been a BLM protest there'd have been a wall of armoured cars surrounding the building, and any protestors getting within a block of the building would have been doused in gas and beaten back by militarised police who wouldn't have shown any restraint.
It hasn't been confirmed by any news networks that I've seen yet, but there's a video going around on Twitter which appears to show the Capitol Police removing their makeshift barricades (bicycle racks!) to allow the mob to enter the building. See here: https://twitter.com/cevansavenger/status/1346920924310867968
Compare this to the Park Police treatment of BLM protestors in Lafayette Park, and clergywomen on the church property of St. John's Lafayette Square, who were tear-gassed last summer for... being in the way when the President wanted a photo op.
There’s there’s another vid of a protestors taking selfies with one of the capital police inside the building - but he was surrounded its possible he felt he had no choice.
THANK God for the hundreds of Social Workers who are pushing the mob away ...
Are you sure social workers wouldn't do a better job than the Capitol Police? Hell, I think my Brownie troop would have had the building secured by now.
THANK God for the hundreds of Social Workers who are pushing the mob away ...
Are you sure social workers wouldn't do a better job than the Capitol Police? Hell, I think my Brownie troop would have had the building secured by now.
You know, normally I just avoid people like Teilhard and say nothing. But in this case we’ll make it explicit. I am giving you the cut direct. I do not know you, sir.
You know, normally I just avoid people like Teilhard and say nothing. But in this case we’ll make it explicit. I am giving you the cut direct. I do not know you, sir.
It's an expression of "Sin," i.e., in the Catholic understanding, "homo incurvatus in se," which being translated is, "a person turned inward upon the self ..." ...
So a bully feels not only justified but compelled to hurl insults and incite violence -- "Punch that guy in the face ... Carry him out on a stretcher ..."
Ultimately, over time, the bully ends up victimized by her/his own words and deeds ...
Clear video of Capitol police opening the barricades to let the rioters through. Bad cops. Bad, bad cops.
Scared cops. Cops not used to being in such a situation. A bit like a bouncer at Mothercare.
Yeah, but no. Cops not used to being in the situation where they might have to shoot people who look like them and think like them. So instead of fulfilling their duty to protect the democratic representatives of the people, they let the rioters in. I can take them being scared: I think we all would be. What they ended up being was complicit, and it cost one of their own his life.
Clear video of Capitol police opening the barricades to let the rioters through. Bad cops. Bad, bad cops.
Scared cops. Cops not used to being in such a situation. A bit like a bouncer at Mothercare.
I understand that the "militia" guys had been on social media, openly discussing plans for a couple of weeks ... but since the DOJ is still fairly much a Trump enterprise ... they were not taken seriously ...
But in addition, the numbers were overwhelming ...
Clear video of Capitol police opening the barricades to let the rioters through. Bad cops. Bad, bad cops.
Scared cops. Cops not used to being in such a situation. A bit like a bouncer at Mothercare.
I understand that the "militia" guys had been on social media, openly discussing plans for a couple of weeks ... but since the DOJ is still fairly much a Trump enterprise ... they were not taken seriously ...
But in addition, the numbers were overwhelming ...
If the numbers are overwhelming that's a sign of poor planning and/or tactics on the part of the police. It's not like this came out of the blue (nope, it came out of the red sorrynotsorry).
Clear video of Capitol police opening the barricades to let the rioters through. Bad cops. Bad, bad cops.
Scared cops. Cops not used to being in such a situation. A bit like a bouncer at Mothercare.
Yeah, but no. Cops not used to being in the situation where they might have to shoot people who look like them and think like them. So instead of fulfilling their duty to protect the democratic representatives of the people, they let the rioters in. I can take them being scared: I think we all would be. What they ended up being was complicit, and it cost one of their own his life.
Yes I agree with all that. They just did not have the manpower and the experience
They had plenty of manpower when there was an entirely peaceful Black Lives Matter march on. I wonder what changed? (Apart from the colour of the protesters' skin and the colour of their politics, that is.)
But in addition, the numbers were overwhelming ...
I'm sure you remember the images of armoured-up cops lining the Capitol steps for the BLM protests. Had there been that level of policing in this case, the mob wouldn't have got anywhere.
But in addition, the numbers were overwhelming ...
I'm sure you remember the images of armoured-up cops lining the Capitol steps for the BLM protests. Had there been that level of policing in this case, the mob wouldn't have got anywhere.
Let's see... after a police shooting, the cop always says, "I feared for my life." Obviously these cops were not frightened, since they didn't shoot anybody. They were comfortable among their own.
Let's see... after a police shooting, the cop always says, "I feared for my life." Obviously these cops were not frightened, since they didn't shoot anybody. They were comfortable among their own.
These cops are basically security guards, not proper cops
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Votes from people who agree with you about cops. Might want to look around at your fellow travellers on the "if you're brown and the police shot you they had a good reason" bandwagon.
And you're still missing the point.
Let me write it out for you:
"Oh, I'm so sorry to hear that. What a pity. We could have had a great discussion. I'm sure she is much missed. Perhaps there is someone who would like to take up the topic now?"
This, by the way, is the proper form regardless of whether you give two hoots about the person or not.
Yep. Wherever it is in the world he's in favour of shooting brown people and victim blaming.
Not just that though. Binary thinking and whataboutery
Oh, wait ...
Let's send up a few social workers ...
I haven't "waited for more than three months to respond" ...
I was OFF "the Ship" during that time ... (duh)
As to THIS particular discussion, I come from a law enforcement family -- including a great uncle who was shot to death when he interrupted a burglary in progress -- and so this topic is of personal interest to me ...
I mean... That seems to be pretty much what they're doing? There have been a few wafts of tear gas, here and there, but nothing like what there was at the BLM protests over the summer. Somebody on Twitter commented that there was a better defense mounted for a Minneapolis Target store than the seat of our democracy.
I've never thought or contended that "Cops are always right ..."
Ominous, yes ... ???
Compare this to the Park Police treatment of BLM protestors in Lafayette Park, and clergywomen on the church property of St. John's Lafayette Square, who were tear-gassed last summer for... being in the way when the President wanted a photo op.
https://twitter.com/canyoniarrie/status/1346920969567232003?s=21
Are you sure social workers wouldn't do a better job than the Capitol Police? Hell, I think my Brownie troop would have had the building secured by now.
Sorry, you can't ... I'm not available ...
LOL ... I'm sure ...
"Sarchasm" is defined as "the gulf that separates a person who makes a sarcastic remark from the intended recipient, who doesn't *get* it ..."
FWIW, I agree.
Huh ... I don't know you, either ...
So ... ???
Exactly my reaction.
Dear Kyzyl,
At least he's not made in your image and likeness.
God
It's an expression of "Sin," i.e., in the Catholic understanding, "homo incurvatus in se," which being translated is, "a person turned inward upon the self ..." ...
So a bully feels not only justified but compelled to hurl insults and incite violence -- "Punch that guy in the face ... Carry him out on a stretcher ..."
Ultimately, over time, the bully ends up victimized by her/his own words and deeds ...
... ...
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You omitted --
Scared cops. Cops not used to being in such a situation. A bit like a bouncer at Mothercare.
Yeah, but no. Cops not used to being in the situation where they might have to shoot people who look like them and think like them. So instead of fulfilling their duty to protect the democratic representatives of the people, they let the rioters in. I can take them being scared: I think we all would be. What they ended up being was complicit, and it cost one of their own his life.
These are cops tasked with defending the capitol building. Not Mothercare.
I understand that the "militia" guys had been on social media, openly discussing plans for a couple of weeks ... but since the DOJ is still fairly much a Trump enterprise ... they were not taken seriously ...
But in addition, the numbers were overwhelming ...
If the numbers are overwhelming that's a sign of poor planning and/or tactics on the part of the police. It's not like this came out of the blue (nope, it came out of the red sorrynotsorry).
Well spotted
I'm sure you remember the images of armoured-up cops lining the Capitol steps for the BLM protests. Had there been that level of policing in this case, the mob wouldn't have got anywhere.
Yes ... and to this day The Trump Administration has refused to designate "White Supremacist" organizations a Domestic Terrorists ...
Yeah ...