They're doing it again. It works. It always works. England. Spain. Germany. All with regard to Jews. And everywhere else where natives are displaced or minorities "won't" assimilate. It's always permanent. As in any other species.
The implicit notion that Jews are native but Palestinians somehow aren't is crazy.
The implicit notion in this thread seems to be that Palestinians are native but Jews are not ...
Remember ... that in 1918 the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem issued a Fatwa calling for death for anyone who sold land to a Jew ...
We all knew that. So what? What has that got to do with the catastrophic injustice perpetrated on the Palestinian people by the UN?
The facts on the ground right now -- on January 6, 2020 -- must be the starting point for serious negotiations ... Period ...
It won't go back to 1947 for a re-do ... or, as pointed out, to 70 CE ...
So the Patriarchs are even MORE irrelevant.
No ... The Patriarchs are a FACT of history, necessarily taken into account, along with 1948, 1967, 1973, etc. ... all of which lead up to the facts on the ground on 1-6-2020 CE
They're doing it again. It works. It always works. England. Spain. Germany. All with regard to Jews. And everywhere else where natives are displaced or minorities "won't" assimilate. It's always permanent. As in any other species.
The implicit notion that Jews are native but Palestinians somehow aren't is crazy.
The implicit notion in this thread seems to be that Palestinians are native but Jews are not ...
Remember ... that in 1918 the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem issued a Fatwa calling for death for anyone who sold land to a Jew ...
We all knew that. So what? What has that got to do with the catastrophic injustice perpetrated on the Palestinian people by the UN?
The facts on the ground right now -- on January 6, 2020 -- must be the starting point for serious negotiations ... Period ...
It won't go back to 1947 for a re-do ... or, as pointed out, to 70 CE ...
Power will negotiate what to powerlessness do you think?
There will be land swaps, reparations and compensation ...
They're doing it again. It works. It always works. England. Spain. Germany. All with regard to Jews. And everywhere else where natives are displaced or minorities "won't" assimilate. It's always permanent. As in any other species.
The implicit notion that Jews are native but Palestinians somehow aren't is crazy.
The implicit notion in this thread seems to be that Palestinians are native but Jews are not ...
Remember ... that in 1918 the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem issued a Fatwa calling for death for anyone who sold land to a Jew ...
We all knew that. So what? What has that got to do with the catastrophic injustice perpetrated on the Palestinian people by the UN?
The facts on the ground right now -- on January 6, 2020 -- must be the starting point for serious negotiations ... Period ...
It won't go back to 1947 for a re-do ... or, as pointed out, to 70 CE ...
Power will negotiate what to powerlessness do you think?
There will be land swaps, reparations and compensation ...
Uh huh. For 72 years of theft. Right. What land will the Palestinian people have to swap for... their land?
They're doing it again. It works. It always works. England. Spain. Germany. All with regard to Jews. And everywhere else where natives are displaced or minorities "won't" assimilate. It's always permanent. As in any other species.
The implicit notion that Jews are native but Palestinians somehow aren't is crazy.
The implicit notion in this thread seems to be that Palestinians are native but Jews are not ...
Remember ... that in 1918 the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem issued a Fatwa calling for death for anyone who sold land to a Jew ...
We all knew that. So what? What has that got to do with the catastrophic injustice perpetrated on the Palestinian people by the UN?
The facts on the ground right now -- on January 6, 2020 -- must be the starting point for serious negotiations ... Period ...
It won't go back to 1947 for a re-do ... or, as pointed out, to 70 CE ...
Power will negotiate what to powerlessness do you think?
There will be land swaps, reparations and compensation ...
Uh huh. For 72 years of theft. Right. What land will the Palestinian people have to swap for... their land?
That will be for the negotiators to decide, yes ... ???
But ... Again ...
Patiently ...
The existence of The ("Jewish") State of Israel will not be negotiated away by the Israelis ...
It just won't ... Period ...
They're doing it again. It works. It always works. England. Spain. Germany. All with regard to Jews. And everywhere else where natives are displaced or minorities "won't" assimilate. It's always permanent. As in any other species.
The implicit notion that Jews are native but Palestinians somehow aren't is crazy.
The implicit notion in this thread seems to be that Palestinians are native but Jews are not ...
Remember ... that in 1918 the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem issued a Fatwa calling for death for anyone who sold land to a Jew ...
We all knew that. So what? What has that got to do with the catastrophic injustice perpetrated on the Palestinian people by the UN?
The facts on the ground right now -- on January 6, 2020 -- must be the starting point for serious negotiations ... Period ...
It won't go back to 1947 for a re-do ... or, as pointed out, to 70 CE ...
So the Patriarchs are even MORE irrelevant.
No ... The Patriarchs are a FACT of history, necessarily taken into account, along with 1948, 1967, 1973, etc. ... all of which lead up to the facts on the ground on 1-6-2020 CE
I know some Biblical Scholars who would argue that point.
They're doing it again. It works. It always works. England. Spain. Germany. All with regard to Jews. And everywhere else where natives are displaced or minorities "won't" assimilate. It's always permanent. As in any other species.
The implicit notion that Jews are native but Palestinians somehow aren't is crazy.
The implicit notion in this thread seems to be that Palestinians are native but Jews are not ...
Remember ... that in 1918 the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem issued a Fatwa calling for death for anyone who sold land to a Jew ...
We all knew that. So what? What has that got to do with the catastrophic injustice perpetrated on the Palestinian people by the UN?
The facts on the ground right now -- on January 6, 2020 -- must be the starting point for serious negotiations ... Period ...
It won't go back to 1947 for a re-do ... or, as pointed out, to 70 CE ...
So the Patriarchs are even MORE irrelevant.
No ... The Patriarchs are a FACT of history, necessarily taken into account, along with 1948, 1967, 1973, etc. ... all of which lead up to the facts on the ground on 1-6-2020 CE
I know some Biblical Scholars who would argue that point.
Yes ...
But the existence of The Tomb of The Patriarchs is not in doubt ...
It's in Hebron ... You can look up photos of it ...
It is an important shrine for Observant Jews and Observant Muslims ...
Anyway ... You do realize that there are religious scholars who doubt the historicity of
the Lord Jesus of Nazareth ... ??? ... So, then ... ???
They're doing it again. It works. It always works. England. Spain. Germany. All with regard to Jews. And everywhere else where natives are displaced or minorities "won't" assimilate. It's always permanent. As in any other species.
The implicit notion that Jews are native but Palestinians somehow aren't is crazy.
The implicit notion in this thread seems to be that Palestinians are native but Jews are not ...
Remember ... that in 1918 the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem issued a Fatwa calling for death for anyone who sold land to a Jew ...
We all knew that. So what? What has that got to do with the catastrophic injustice perpetrated on the Palestinian people by the UN?
The facts on the ground right now -- on January 6, 2020 -- must be the starting point for serious negotiations ... Period ...
It won't go back to 1947 for a re-do ... or, as pointed out, to 70 CE ...
So the Patriarchs are even MORE irrelevant.
No ... The Patriarchs are a FACT of history, necessarily taken into account, along with 1948, 1967, 1973, etc. ... all of which lead up to the facts on the ground on 1-6-2020 CE
I know some Biblical Scholars who would argue that point.
Yes ...
But the existence of The Tomb of The Patriarchs is not in doubt ...
It's in Hebron ... You can look up photos of it ...
It is an important shrine for Observant Jews and Observant Muslims ...
They're doing it again. It works. It always works. England. Spain. Germany. All with regard to Jews. And everywhere else where natives are displaced or minorities "won't" assimilate. It's always permanent. As in any other species.
The implicit notion that Jews are native but Palestinians somehow aren't is crazy.
The implicit notion in this thread seems to be that Palestinians are native but Jews are not ...
Remember ... that in 1918 the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem issued a Fatwa calling for death for anyone who sold land to a Jew ...
We all knew that. So what? What has that got to do with the catastrophic injustice perpetrated on the Palestinian people by the UN?
The facts on the ground right now -- on January 6, 2020 -- must be the starting point for serious negotiations ... Period ...
It won't go back to 1947 for a re-do ... or, as pointed out, to 70 CE ...
So the Patriarchs are even MORE irrelevant.
No ... The Patriarchs are a FACT of history, necessarily taken into account, along with 1948, 1967, 1973, etc. ... all of which lead up to the facts on the ground on 1-6-2020 CE
I know some Biblical Scholars who would argue that point.
Yes ...
But the existence of The Tomb of The Patriarchs is not in doubt ...
It's in Hebron ... You can look up photos of it ...
It is an important shrine for Observant Jews and Observant Muslims ...
Which is in Palestinian territory, btw.
The Palestinian radicals (i.e, the Palestinian leadership -- The PA, Hamas, Hezbollah) regard ever square meter of The Land of Israel as "occupied" Palestinian territory ...
So ...
Arethosemyfeet - sorry for late reply, away yesterday and now catching up on a thread which has moved some way. The Direct Action people called for "the Jews" to be forced back into the sea so that Palestinians could take back their properties. It was "the Jews" and not "the Israelis". The Marrickville Greens were opposed to any council business going to local businesses owned by Jews.
Arethosemyfeet - sorry for late reply, away yesterday and now catching up on a thread which has moved some way. The Direct Action people called for "the Jews" to be forced back into the sea so that Palestinians could take back their properties. It was "the Jews" and not "the Israelis". The Marrickville Greens were opposed to any council business going to local businesses owned by Jews.
I certainly concur that those look pretty damn anti-semitic. I continue to be unpleasantly surprised by people.
They're doing it again. It works. It always works. England. Spain. Germany. All with regard to Jews. And everywhere else where natives are displaced or minorities "won't" assimilate. It's always permanent. As in any other species.
The implicit notion that Jews are native but Palestinians somehow aren't is crazy.
The implicit notion in this thread seems to be that Palestinians are native but Jews are not ...
Remember ... that in 1918 the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem issued a Fatwa calling for death for anyone who sold land to a Jew ...
We all knew that. So what? What has that got to do with the catastrophic injustice perpetrated on the Palestinian people by the UN?
The facts on the ground right now -- on January 6, 2020 -- must be the starting point for serious negotiations ... Period ...
It won't go back to 1947 for a re-do ... or, as pointed out, to 70 CE ...
So the Patriarchs are even MORE irrelevant.
No ... The Patriarchs are a FACT of history, necessarily taken into account, along with 1948, 1967, 1973, etc. ... all of which lead up to the facts on the ground on 1-6-2020 CE
I know some Biblical Scholars who would argue that point.
Yes ...
But the existence of The Tomb of The Patriarchs is not in doubt ...
It's in Hebron ... You can look up photos of it ...
It is an important shrine for Observant Jews and Observant Muslims ...
Which is in Palestinian territory, btw.
The Palestinian radicals (i.e, the Palestinian leadership -- The PA, Hamas, Hezbollah) regard ever square meter of The Land of Israel as "occupied" Palestinian territory ...
So ...
Well, yes; but there is the Specially Built Road that goes to it. (Tzir ha Mitpalelim /Route of the Worshippers.) It goes right through Hebron so the Jews can get there safely and it is guarded on each side by Israeli soldiers every few metres.
Dear God. Reading up on Worshippers Way, one realises that neo-fascism takes up the slack in all democracies. How Israel gets away with being a flawed democracy higher up the scale than Belgium or Italy is beyond me. Its colonial activity in the West Bank is not covered by actual behaviour within its borders even though that's where its colonialism originates. Still, Israel is that bad that even America is considered a superior flawed democracy.
They're doing it again. It works. It always works. England. Spain. Germany. All with regard to Jews. And everywhere else where natives are displaced or minorities "won't" assimilate. It's always permanent. As in any other species.
The implicit notion that Jews are native but Palestinians somehow aren't is crazy.
The implicit notion in this thread seems to be that Palestinians are native but Jews are not ...
Remember ... that in 1918 the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem issued a Fatwa calling for death for anyone who sold land to a Jew ...
I disagree to the implicit notion, but what do you care?
As to remembering what happened in 1918, move the fuck on. The thread is supposed to be about the evolving relations, and yet your contribution is to constantly insist that some event on some past date must be at the forefront of everyone's mind. Exactly what the date is and what the event is keeps changing, but I repeat: it's like arguing with an early version of a Google search engine. You keep giving the impression that your only capacity here is to regurgitate information on past events without any sense of relevance, context or meaning.
Arethosemyfeet - sorry for late reply, away yesterday and now catching up on a thread which has moved some way. The Direct Action people called for "the Jews" to be forced back into the sea so that Palestinians could take back their properties. It was "the Jews" and not "the Israelis". The Marrickville Greens were opposed to any council business going to local businesses owned by Jews.
I'd have to remember when they were in office and then find newspaper articles - it was about 10 years or so ago, ended up with the council being sacked by the Local Government Minister.
Direct Action was back in the 1960's and early 70's. Not surprised there's nothing on the web about it. Trots have never had much impact on the general community or political life here.
I'd have to remember when they were in office and then find newspaper articles - it was about 10 years or so ago, ended up with the council being sacked by the Local Government Minister.
Direct Action was back in the 1960's and early 70's. Not surprised there's nothing on the web about it. Trots have never had much impact on the general community or political life here.
Riiiiight. So the Marrickville Greens aren't saying it, there's no trace on the net that they ever did. And what Trots were saying 50 years ago is as relevant as what the Grand Mufti said 100 ago.
I'd have to remember when they were in office and then find newspaper articles - it was about 10 years or so ago, ended up with the council being sacked by the Local Government Minister.
Direct Action was back in the 1960's and early 70's. Not surprised there's nothing on the web about it. Trots have never had much impact on the general community or political life here.
Riiiiight. So the Marrickville Greens aren't saying it, there's no trace on the net that they ever did. And what Trots were saying 50 years ago is as relevant as what the Grand Mufti said 100 ago.
What a surprise.
@Gee D I think you need to withdraw your accusation that the Greens tried to act against Jewish businesses when it was in fact a BDS policy aimed at Israel. As it stands it looks libellous to me.
Martin, the point is that the anti-semitism in NSW politics has been from the left and the examples I gave are evidence of that. That was the position 50 years ago and continued to be the position of the Marrickville Greens. The NSW Greens are not a group of tree-huggers, but of the extreme left.
Martin, the point is that the anti-semitism in NSW politics has been from the left and the examples I gave are evidence of that. That was the position 50 years ago and continued to be the position of the Marrickville Greens. The NSW Greens are not a group of tree-huggers, but of the extreme left.
You said they called for a boycott of Jewish businesses. I took you at your word on that but it now appears you elided the truth that they in fact called for a boycott directed at Israel, so not in fact evidence of anti-semitism. I believe you owe me an apology.
Martin, the point is that the anti-semitism in NSW politics has been from the left and the examples I gave are evidence of that. That was the position 50 years ago and continued to be the position of the Marrickville Greens. The NSW Greens are not a group of tree-huggers, but of the extreme left.
Except that your claim that they opposed giving council business to businesses owned by Jews was simply untrue.
And it that's your best go at proving left-wing anti-Semitism I think we can call bollocks. It looks to me like you're pulling the old stunt of casting opposition to Israeli policy as anti-Semitism.
Martin, the point is that the anti-semitism in NSW politics has been from the left and the examples I gave are evidence of that. That was the position 50 years ago and continued to be the position of the Marrickville Greens. The NSW Greens are not a group of tree-huggers, but of the extreme left.
Prove it. You gave no evidence at all.
Otherwise you're being economical with the truth (in Australian context again). Otherwise you're being a Zionist-Israel propagandist. In a matter as sensitive as Jew hating as opposed to criticizing Jewish colonialism through the Jewish state of Israel, precision is vital. Apart from in informing national UK Labour Party foreign policy, I see no part in local Labour Party business for singling out Israel. And none whatsoever, ever, for singling out Jews except as a vulnerable minority, including in the Labour Party, in need of protection.
And it that's your best go at proving left-wing anti-Semitism I think we can call bollocks. It looks to me like you're pulling the old stunt of casting opposition to Israeli policy as anti-Semitism.
And it that's your best go at proving left-wing anti-Semitism I think we can call bollocks. It looks to me like you're pulling the old stunt of casting opposition to Israeli policy as anti-Semitism.
Which ironically would be anti-Semitic itself.
It's certainly Newspeak, but it's not Jew hating by Jews.
Martin, the point is that the anti-semitism in NSW politics has been from the left and the examples I gave are evidence of that. That was the position 50 years ago and continued to be the position of the Marrickville Greens. The NSW Greens are not a group of tree-huggers, but of the extreme left.
Prove it. You gave no evidence at all.
Otherwise you're being economical with the truth (in Australian context again). Otherwise you're being a Zionist-Israel propagandist. In a matter as sensitive as Jew hating as opposed to criticizing Jewish colonialism through the Jewish state of Israel, precision is vital. Apart from in informing national UK Labour Party foreign policy, I see no part in local Labour Party business for singling out Israel. And none whatsoever, ever, for singling out Jews except as a vulnerable minority, including in the Labour Party, in need of protection.
It's nuanced you see.
I think I have found an indirect link to the boycott, Geo D is talking about in Wikipedia, but I cannot bring up its sources.
Martin, the point is that the anti-semitism in NSW politics has been from the left and the examples I gave are evidence of that. That was the position 50 years ago and continued to be the position of the Marrickville Greens. The NSW Greens are not a group of tree-huggers, but of the extreme left.
Prove it. You gave no evidence at all.
Otherwise you're being economical with the truth (in Australian context again). Otherwise you're being a Zionist-Israel propagandist. In a matter as sensitive as Jew hating as opposed to criticizing Jewish colonialism through the Jewish state of Israel, precision is vital. Apart from in informing national UK Labour Party foreign policy, I see no part in local Labour Party business for singling out Israel. And none whatsoever, ever, for singling out Jews except as a vulnerable minority, including in the Labour Party, in need of protection.
It's nuanced you see.
I think I have found an indirect link to the boycott, Geo D is talking about in Wikipedia, but I cannot bring up its sources.
But it's a boycott of Israel, not of Jews, which is what @Gee D incorrectly claimed it to be.
And we're constantly being told how conflating the two is anti-Semitic.
Martin, the point is that the anti-semitism in NSW politics has been from the left and the examples I gave are evidence of that. That was the position 50 years ago and continued to be the position of the Marrickville Greens. The NSW Greens are not a group of tree-huggers, but of the extreme left.
Prove it. You gave no evidence at all.
Otherwise you're being economical with the truth (in Australian context again). Otherwise you're being a Zionist-Israel propagandist. In a matter as sensitive as Jew hating as opposed to criticizing Jewish colonialism through the Jewish state of Israel, precision is vital. Apart from in informing national UK Labour Party foreign policy, I see no part in local Labour Party business for singling out Israel. And none whatsoever, ever, for singling out Jews except as a vulnerable minority, including in the Labour Party, in need of protection.
It's nuanced you see.
I think I have found an indirect link to the boycott, Geo D is talking about in Wikipedia, but I cannot bring up its sources.
I can just fine. It's about an Israeli military supplies company, with an Australian subsidiary, supplying to IDF brigades in the occupied Golan and then occupied Gaza.
' an Israeli business that was a target of a boycott call by pro-Palestinian activists.'
'the Brenner store, part of an Israeli chain.'
'Israeli parent company, the Strauss Group, engaged in “ongoing ethnic cleansing” by supporting the Israel Defense Forces. Strauss provides care packages and sports equipment to the IDF’s Golani and Givati brigades.'
They're doing it again. It works. It always works. England. Spain. Germany. All with regard to Jews. And everywhere else where natives are displaced or minorities "won't" assimilate. It's always permanent. As in any other species.
The implicit notion that Jews are native but Palestinians somehow aren't is crazy.
The implicit notion in this thread seems to be that Palestinians are native but Jews are not ...
Remember ... that in 1918 the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem issued a Fatwa calling for death for anyone who sold land to a Jew ...
We all knew that. So what? What has that got to do with the catastrophic injustice perpetrated on the Palestinian people by the UN?
The facts on the ground right now -- on January 6, 2020 -- must be the starting point for serious negotiations ... Period ...
It won't go back to 1947 for a re-do ... or, as pointed out, to 70 CE ...
So the Patriarchs are even MORE irrelevant.
No ... The Patriarchs are a FACT of history, necessarily taken into account, along with 1948, 1967, 1973, etc. ... all of which lead up to the facts on the ground on 1-6-2020 CE
I know some Biblical Scholars who would argue that point.
Yes ...
But the existence of The Tomb of The Patriarchs is not in doubt ...
It's in Hebron ... You can look up photos of it ...
It is an important shrine for Observant Jews and Observant Muslims ...
Which is in Palestinian territory, btw.
The Palestinian radicals (i.e, the Palestinian leadership -- The PA, Hamas, Hezbollah) regard ever square meter of The Land of Israel as "occupied" Palestinian territory ...
So ...
So does any rational person.
Exactly the issue at hand ...
Hence ... the fact that the existence of The ("Jewish") State of Israel will not be a negotiating point ...
They're doing it again. It works. It always works. England. Spain. Germany. All with regard to Jews. And everywhere else where natives are displaced or minorities "won't" assimilate. It's always permanent. As in any other species.
The implicit notion that Jews are native but Palestinians somehow aren't is crazy.
The implicit notion in this thread seems to be that Palestinians are native but Jews are not ...
Remember ... that in 1918 the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem issued a Fatwa calling for death for anyone who sold land to a Jew ...
We all knew that. So what? What has that got to do with the catastrophic injustice perpetrated on the Palestinian people by the UN?
The facts on the ground right now -- on January 6, 2020 -- must be the starting point for serious negotiations ... Period ...
It won't go back to 1947 for a re-do ... or, as pointed out, to 70 CE ...
So the Patriarchs are even MORE irrelevant.
No ... The Patriarchs are a FACT of history, necessarily taken into account, along with 1948, 1967, 1973, etc. ... all of which lead up to the facts on the ground on 1-6-2020 CE
I know some Biblical Scholars who would argue that point.
Yes ...
But the existence of The Tomb of The Patriarchs is not in doubt ...
It's in Hebron ... You can look up photos of it ...
It is an important shrine for Observant Jews and Observant Muslims ...
Which is in Palestinian territory, btw.
The Palestinian radicals (i.e, the Palestinian leadership -- The PA, Hamas, Hezbollah) regard ever square meter of The Land of Israel as "occupied" Palestinian territory ...
So ...
So does any rational person.
Exactly the issue at hand ...
Hence ... the fact that the existence of The ("Jewish") State of Israel will not be a negotiating point ...
'That ever[y] (sic) square meter of The Land of Israel as "occupied" Palestinian territory'?
They're doing it again. It works. It always works. England. Spain. Germany. All with regard to Jews. And everywhere else where natives are displaced or minorities "won't" assimilate. It's always permanent. As in any other species.
The implicit notion that Jews are native but Palestinians somehow aren't is crazy.
The implicit notion in this thread seems to be that Palestinians are native but Jews are not ...
Remember ... that in 1918 the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem issued a Fatwa calling for death for anyone who sold land to a Jew ...
We all knew that. So what? What has that got to do with the catastrophic injustice perpetrated on the Palestinian people by the UN?
The facts on the ground right now -- on January 6, 2020 -- must be the starting point for serious negotiations ... Period ...
It won't go back to 1947 for a re-do ... or, as pointed out, to 70 CE ...
So the Patriarchs are even MORE irrelevant.
No ... The Patriarchs are a FACT of history, necessarily taken into account, along with 1948, 1967, 1973, etc. ... all of which lead up to the facts on the ground on 1-6-2020 CE
I know some Biblical Scholars who would argue that point.
Yes ...
But the existence of The Tomb of The Patriarchs is not in doubt ...
It's in Hebron ... You can look up photos of it ...
It is an important shrine for Observant Jews and Observant Muslims ...
Which is in Palestinian territory, btw.
The Palestinian radicals (i.e, the Palestinian leadership -- The PA, Hamas, Hezbollah) regard ever square meter of The Land of Israel as "occupied" Palestinian territory ...
So ...
So does any rational person.
Exactly the issue at hand ...
Hence ... the fact that the existence of The ("Jewish") State of Israel will not be a negotiating point ...
'That ever[y] (sic) square meter of The Land of Israel as "occupied" Palestinian territory'?
If and when sincere negotiating partners come to the table, there will be land swaps, adjustments, reparations and compensation ...
But, no ... The Israelis are not going to negotiate themselves into minority status in their own country, nor will they agree to reducing The ("Jewish") State of Israel to a couple of neighborhoods in Tel Aviv and maybe one small section of West Jerusalem ...
It's just not going to happen .. Period ...
They're doing it again. It works. It always works. England. Spain. Germany. All with regard to Jews. And everywhere else where natives are displaced or minorities "won't" assimilate. It's always permanent. As in any other species.
The implicit notion that Jews are native but Palestinians somehow aren't is crazy.
The implicit notion in this thread seems to be that Palestinians are native but Jews are not ...
Remember ... that in 1918 the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem issued a Fatwa calling for death for anyone who sold land to a Jew ...
We all knew that. So what? What has that got to do with the catastrophic injustice perpetrated on the Palestinian people by the UN?
The facts on the ground right now -- on January 6, 2020 -- must be the starting point for serious negotiations ... Period ...
It won't go back to 1947 for a re-do ... or, as pointed out, to 70 CE ...
So the Patriarchs are even MORE irrelevant.
No ... The Patriarchs are a FACT of history, necessarily taken into account, along with 1948, 1967, 1973, etc. ... all of which lead up to the facts on the ground on 1-6-2020 CE
I know some Biblical Scholars who would argue that point.
Yes ...
But the existence of The Tomb of The Patriarchs is not in doubt ...
It's in Hebron ... You can look up photos of it ...
It is an important shrine for Observant Jews and Observant Muslims ...
Which is in Palestinian territory, btw.
The Palestinian radicals (i.e, the Palestinian leadership -- The PA, Hamas, Hezbollah) regard ever square meter of The Land of Israel as "occupied" Palestinian territory ...
So ...
So does any rational person.
Exactly the issue at hand ...
Hence ... the fact that the existence of The ("Jewish") State of Israel will not be a negotiating point ...
'That ever[y] (sic) square meter of The Land of Israel as "occupied" Palestinian territory'?
If and when sincere negotiating partners come to the table, there will be land swaps, adjustments, reparations and compensation ...
But, no ... The Israelis are not going to negotiate themselves into minority status in their own country, nor will they agree to reducing The ("Jewish") State of Israel to a couple of neighborhoods in Tel Aviv and maybe one small section of West Jerusalem ...
It's just not going to happen .. Period ...
No Palestinian representatives can sign away their people's land. Whatever they sign. As Percy Allenine says in Tinker Tailor, 'Arabs. You can rent one, but you can't buy one.'
They're doing it again. It works. It always works. England. Spain. Germany. All with regard to Jews. And everywhere else where natives are displaced or minorities "won't" assimilate. It's always permanent. As in any other species.
The implicit notion that Jews are native but Palestinians somehow aren't is crazy.
The implicit notion in this thread seems to be that Palestinians are native but Jews are not ...
Remember ... that in 1918 the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem issued a Fatwa calling for death for anyone who sold land to a Jew ...
We all knew that. So what? What has that got to do with the catastrophic injustice perpetrated on the Palestinian people by the UN?
The facts on the ground right now -- on January 6, 2020 -- must be the starting point for serious negotiations ... Period ...
It won't go back to 1947 for a re-do ... or, as pointed out, to 70 CE ...
So the Patriarchs are even MORE irrelevant.
No ... The Patriarchs are a FACT of history, necessarily taken into account, along with 1948, 1967, 1973, etc. ... all of which lead up to the facts on the ground on 1-6-2020 CE
I know some Biblical Scholars who would argue that point.
Yes ...
But the existence of The Tomb of The Patriarchs is not in doubt ...
It's in Hebron ... You can look up photos of it ...
It is an important shrine for Observant Jews and Observant Muslims ...
Which is in Palestinian territory, btw.
The Palestinian radicals (i.e, the Palestinian leadership -- The PA, Hamas, Hezbollah) regard ever square meter of The Land of Israel as "occupied" Palestinian territory ...
So ...
So does any rational person.
Exactly the issue at hand ...
Hence ... the fact that the existence of The ("Jewish") State of Israel will not be a negotiating point ...
'That ever[y] (sic) square meter of The Land of Israel as "occupied" Palestinian territory'?
If and when sincere negotiating partners come to the table, there will be land swaps, adjustments, reparations and compensation ...
But, no ... The Israelis are not going to negotiate themselves into minority status in their own country, nor will they agree to reducing The ("Jewish") State of Israel to a couple of neighborhoods in Tel Aviv and maybe one small section of West Jerusalem ...
It's just not going to happen .. Period ...
You do know that the Arab League, with the support of the PA, offered recognition of Israel in return for withdrawal from the occupied territories and negotiation of a settlement for Palestinian refugees. Netenyahu refused.
They're doing it again. It works. It always works. England. Spain. Germany. All with regard to Jews. And everywhere else where natives are displaced or minorities "won't" assimilate. It's always permanent. As in any other species.
The implicit notion that Jews are native but Palestinians somehow aren't is crazy.
The implicit notion in this thread seems to be that Palestinians are native but Jews are not ...
Remember ... that in 1918 the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem issued a Fatwa calling for death for anyone who sold land to a Jew ...
We all knew that. So what? What has that got to do with the catastrophic injustice perpetrated on the Palestinian people by the UN?
The facts on the ground right now -- on January 6, 2020 -- must be the starting point for serious negotiations ... Period ...
It won't go back to 1947 for a re-do ... or, as pointed out, to 70 CE ...
So the Patriarchs are even MORE irrelevant.
No ... The Patriarchs are a FACT of history, necessarily taken into account, along with 1948, 1967, 1973, etc. ... all of which lead up to the facts on the ground on 1-6-2020 CE
I know some Biblical Scholars who would argue that point.
Yes ...
But the existence of The Tomb of The Patriarchs is not in doubt ...
It's in Hebron ... You can look up photos of it ...
It is an important shrine for Observant Jews and Observant Muslims ...
Which is in Palestinian territory, btw.
The Palestinian radicals (i.e, the Palestinian leadership -- The PA, Hamas, Hezbollah) regard ever square meter of The Land of Israel as "occupied" Palestinian territory ...
So ...
So does any rational person.
Exactly the issue at hand ...
Hence ... the fact that the existence of The ("Jewish") State of Israel will not be a negotiating point ...
'That ever[y] (sic) square meter of The Land of Israel as "occupied" Palestinian territory'?
If and when sincere negotiating partners come to the table, there will be land swaps, adjustments, reparations and compensation ...
But, no ... The Israelis are not going to negotiate themselves into minority status in their own country, nor will they agree to reducing The ("Jewish") State of Israel to a couple of neighborhoods in Tel Aviv and maybe one small section of West Jerusalem ...
It's just not going to happen .. Period ...
No Palestinian representatives can sign away their people's land. Whatever they sign. As Percy Allenine says in Tinker Tailor, 'Arabs. You can rent one, but you can't buy one.'
Israel is buying ten thousand years of hate.
The People of Israel are in Existential peril, trying to survive ...
This is about a lot more than land ...
They're doing it again. It works. It always works. England. Spain. Germany. All with regard to Jews. And everywhere else where natives are displaced or minorities "won't" assimilate. It's always permanent. As in any other species.
The implicit notion that Jews are native but Palestinians somehow aren't is crazy.
The implicit notion in this thread seems to be that Palestinians are native but Jews are not ...
Remember ... that in 1918 the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem issued a Fatwa calling for death for anyone who sold land to a Jew ...
We all knew that. So what? What has that got to do with the catastrophic injustice perpetrated on the Palestinian people by the UN?
The facts on the ground right now -- on January 6, 2020 -- must be the starting point for serious negotiations ... Period ...
It won't go back to 1947 for a re-do ... or, as pointed out, to 70 CE ...
So the Patriarchs are even MORE irrelevant.
No ... The Patriarchs are a FACT of history, necessarily taken into account, along with 1948, 1967, 1973, etc. ... all of which lead up to the facts on the ground on 1-6-2020 CE
I know some Biblical Scholars who would argue that point.
Yes ...
But the existence of The Tomb of The Patriarchs is not in doubt ...
It's in Hebron ... You can look up photos of it ...
It is an important shrine for Observant Jews and Observant Muslims ...
Which is in Palestinian territory, btw.
The Palestinian radicals (i.e, the Palestinian leadership -- The PA, Hamas, Hezbollah) regard ever square meter of The Land of Israel as "occupied" Palestinian territory ...
So ...
So does any rational person.
Exactly the issue at hand ...
Hence ... the fact that the existence of The ("Jewish") State of Israel will not be a negotiating point ...
'That ever[y] (sic) square meter of The Land of Israel as "occupied" Palestinian territory'?
If and when sincere negotiating partners come to the table, there will be land swaps, adjustments, reparations and compensation ...
But, no ... The Israelis are not going to negotiate themselves into minority status in their own country, nor will they agree to reducing The ("Jewish") State of Israel to a couple of neighborhoods in Tel Aviv and maybe one small section of West Jerusalem ...
It's just not going to happen .. Period ...
You do know that the Arab League, with the support of the PA, offered recognition of Israel in return for withdrawal from the occupied territories and negotiation of a settlement for Palestinian refugees. Netenyahu refused.
Define "occupied territory" ... "There's the rub ..."
They're doing it again. It works. It always works. England. Spain. Germany. All with regard to Jews. And everywhere else where natives are displaced or minorities "won't" assimilate. It's always permanent. As in any other species.
The implicit notion that Jews are native but Palestinians somehow aren't is crazy.
The implicit notion in this thread seems to be that Palestinians are native but Jews are not ...
Remember ... that in 1918 the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem issued a Fatwa calling for death for anyone who sold land to a Jew ...
We all knew that. So what? What has that got to do with the catastrophic injustice perpetrated on the Palestinian people by the UN?
The facts on the ground right now -- on January 6, 2020 -- must be the starting point for serious negotiations ... Period ...
It won't go back to 1947 for a re-do ... or, as pointed out, to 70 CE ...
So the Patriarchs are even MORE irrelevant.
No ... The Patriarchs are a FACT of history, necessarily taken into account, along with 1948, 1967, 1973, etc. ... all of which lead up to the facts on the ground on 1-6-2020 CE
I know some Biblical Scholars who would argue that point.
Yes ...
But the existence of The Tomb of The Patriarchs is not in doubt ...
It's in Hebron ... You can look up photos of it ...
It is an important shrine for Observant Jews and Observant Muslims ...
Which is in Palestinian territory, btw.
The Palestinian radicals (i.e, the Palestinian leadership -- The PA, Hamas, Hezbollah) regard ever square meter of The Land of Israel as "occupied" Palestinian territory ...
So ...
So does any rational person.
Exactly the issue at hand ...
Hence ... the fact that the existence of The ("Jewish") State of Israel will not be a negotiating point ...
'That ever[y] (sic) square meter of The Land of Israel as "occupied" Palestinian territory'?
If and when sincere negotiating partners come to the table, there will be land swaps, adjustments, reparations and compensation ...
But, no ... The Israelis are not going to negotiate themselves into minority status in their own country, nor will they agree to reducing The ("Jewish") State of Israel to a couple of neighborhoods in Tel Aviv and maybe one small section of West Jerusalem ...
It's just not going to happen .. Period ...
You do know that the Arab League, with the support of the PA, offered recognition of Israel in return for withdrawal from the occupied territories and negotiation of a settlement for Palestinian refugees. Netenyahu refused.
Define "occupied territory" ... "There's the rub ..."
The land Israel occupied in 1967, as I hope you well know.
They're doing it again. It works. It always works. England. Spain. Germany. All with regard to Jews. And everywhere else where natives are displaced or minorities "won't" assimilate. It's always permanent. As in any other species.
The implicit notion that Jews are native but Palestinians somehow aren't is crazy.
The implicit notion in this thread seems to be that Palestinians are native but Jews are not ...
Remember ... that in 1918 the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem issued a Fatwa calling for death for anyone who sold land to a Jew ...
We all knew that. So what? What has that got to do with the catastrophic injustice perpetrated on the Palestinian people by the UN?
The facts on the ground right now -- on January 6, 2020 -- must be the starting point for serious negotiations ... Period ...
It won't go back to 1947 for a re-do ... or, as pointed out, to 70 CE ...
So the Patriarchs are even MORE irrelevant.
No ... The Patriarchs are a FACT of history, necessarily taken into account, along with 1948, 1967, 1973, etc. ... all of which lead up to the facts on the ground on 1-6-2020 CE
I know some Biblical Scholars who would argue that point.
Yes ...
But the existence of The Tomb of The Patriarchs is not in doubt ...
It's in Hebron ... You can look up photos of it ...
It is an important shrine for Observant Jews and Observant Muslims ...
Which is in Palestinian territory, btw.
The Palestinian radicals (i.e, the Palestinian leadership -- The PA, Hamas, Hezbollah) regard ever square meter of The Land of Israel as "occupied" Palestinian territory ...
So ...
So does any rational person.
Exactly the issue at hand ...
Hence ... the fact that the existence of The ("Jewish") State of Israel will not be a negotiating point ...
'That ever[y] (sic) square meter of The Land of Israel as "occupied" Palestinian territory'?
If and when sincere negotiating partners come to the table, there will be land swaps, adjustments, reparations and compensation ...
But, no ... The Israelis are not going to negotiate themselves into minority status in their own country, nor will they agree to reducing The ("Jewish") State of Israel to a couple of neighborhoods in Tel Aviv and maybe one small section of West Jerusalem ...
It's just not going to happen .. Period ...
No Palestinian representatives can sign away their people's land. Whatever they sign. As Percy Allenine says in Tinker Tailor, 'Arabs. You can rent one, but you can't buy one.'
Israel is buying ten thousand years of hate.
The People of Israel are in Existential peril, trying to survive ...
This is about a lot more than land ...
They are in existential peril as the UN and they stole, and they continue to steal, Arab land and oppress Arabs in their land fragments.
They're doing it again. It works. It always works. England. Spain. Germany. All with regard to Jews. And everywhere else where natives are displaced or minorities "won't" assimilate. It's always permanent. As in any other species.
The implicit notion that Jews are native but Palestinians somehow aren't is crazy.
The implicit notion in this thread seems to be that Palestinians are native but Jews are not ...
Remember ... that in 1918 the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem issued a Fatwa calling for death for anyone who sold land to a Jew ...
We all knew that. So what? What has that got to do with the catastrophic injustice perpetrated on the Palestinian people by the UN?
The facts on the ground right now -- on January 6, 2020 -- must be the starting point for serious negotiations ... Period ...
It won't go back to 1947 for a re-do ... or, as pointed out, to 70 CE ...
So the Patriarchs are even MORE irrelevant.
No ... The Patriarchs are a FACT of history, necessarily taken into account, along with 1948, 1967, 1973, etc. ... all of which lead up to the facts on the ground on 1-6-2020 CE
I know some Biblical Scholars who would argue that point.
Yes ...
But the existence of The Tomb of The Patriarchs is not in doubt ...
It's in Hebron ... You can look up photos of it ...
It is an important shrine for Observant Jews and Observant Muslims ...
Which is in Palestinian territory, btw.
The Palestinian radicals (i.e, the Palestinian leadership -- The PA, Hamas, Hezbollah) regard ever square meter of The Land of Israel as "occupied" Palestinian territory ...
So ...
So does any rational person.
Exactly the issue at hand ...
Hence ... the fact that the existence of The ("Jewish") State of Israel will not be a negotiating point ...
'That ever[y] (sic) square meter of The Land of Israel as "occupied" Palestinian territory'?
If and when sincere negotiating partners come to the table, there will be land swaps, adjustments, reparations and compensation ...
But, no ... The Israelis are not going to negotiate themselves into minority status in their own country, nor will they agree to reducing The ("Jewish") State of Israel to a couple of neighborhoods in Tel Aviv and maybe one small section of West Jerusalem ...
It's just not going to happen .. Period ...
You do know that the Arab League, with the support of the PA, offered recognition of Israel in return for withdrawal from the occupied territories and negotiation of a settlement for Palestinian refugees. Netenyahu refused.
Define "occupied territory" ... "There's the rub ..."
The land Israel occupied in 1967, as I hope you well know.
But ... The fiercest critics of The ("Jewish") State of Israel regard every square meter of The Land of Israel as "occupied territory" ...
They're doing it again. It works. It always works. England. Spain. Germany. All with regard to Jews. And everywhere else where natives are displaced or minorities "won't" assimilate. It's always permanent. As in any other species.
The implicit notion that Jews are native but Palestinians somehow aren't is crazy.
The implicit notion in this thread seems to be that Palestinians are native but Jews are not ...
Remember ... that in 1918 the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem issued a Fatwa calling for death for anyone who sold land to a Jew ...
We all knew that. So what? What has that got to do with the catastrophic injustice perpetrated on the Palestinian people by the UN?
The facts on the ground right now -- on January 6, 2020 -- must be the starting point for serious negotiations ... Period ...
It won't go back to 1947 for a re-do ... or, as pointed out, to 70 CE ...
So the Patriarchs are even MORE irrelevant.
No ... The Patriarchs are a FACT of history, necessarily taken into account, along with 1948, 1967, 1973, etc. ... all of which lead up to the facts on the ground on 1-6-2020 CE
I know some Biblical Scholars who would argue that point.
Yes ...
But the existence of The Tomb of The Patriarchs is not in doubt ...
It's in Hebron ... You can look up photos of it ...
It is an important shrine for Observant Jews and Observant Muslims ...
Which is in Palestinian territory, btw.
The Palestinian radicals (i.e, the Palestinian leadership -- The PA, Hamas, Hezbollah) regard ever square meter of The Land of Israel as "occupied" Palestinian territory ...
So ...
So does any rational person.
Exactly the issue at hand ...
Hence ... the fact that the existence of The ("Jewish") State of Israel will not be a negotiating point ...
'That ever[y] (sic) square meter of The Land of Israel as "occupied" Palestinian territory'?
If and when sincere negotiating partners come to the table, there will be land swaps, adjustments, reparations and compensation ...
But, no ... The Israelis are not going to negotiate themselves into minority status in their own country, nor will they agree to reducing The ("Jewish") State of Israel to a couple of neighborhoods in Tel Aviv and maybe one small section of West Jerusalem ...
It's just not going to happen .. Period ...
No Palestinian representatives can sign away their people's land. Whatever they sign. As Percy Allenine says in Tinker Tailor, 'Arabs. You can rent one, but you can't buy one.'
Israel is buying ten thousand years of hate.
The People of Israel are in Existential peril, trying to survive ...
This is about a lot more than land ...
They are in existential peril as the UN and they stole, and they continue to steal, Arab land and oppress Arabs in their land fragments.
Everything was going just swimmingly -- for everybody -- before 1948 ... ???
I didn't recall anything to do with BDS until Max Brenner came up, and I heard a little ding in my head. Here's an article from Green Left, a radical newspaper in Australia not associated, afaik, with the Australian Greens. I don't know if the trots who produce the paper are involved with the Greens in Sydney. They are a rogue branch, often in dispute with the rest of the party, and that's the Trot MO.
The activists targeted the business because its parent company sends chocolate to IDF soldiers. They were probably not being anti-semetic, as distinct from anti-Israel, but it is a close call. It is a flimsy excuse to boycott a Jewish business selling sweet treats and coffee in Australia. I will give the organisers the benefit of the doubt, because they are mostly young enthusiasts looking to make a name for themselves in radical circles. They didn't think it through.
But make no mistake: this action could easily be interpreted as anti-semetic, and fast, loud talking would be required to justify black banning a chain of cafes because its effective owner sends chocolate treats and sports equipment to support the troops.
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No ... The Patriarchs are a FACT of history, necessarily taken into account, along with 1948, 1967, 1973, etc. ... all of which lead up to the facts on the ground on 1-6-2020 CE
There will be land swaps, reparations and compensation ...
Uh huh. For 72 years of theft. Right. What land will the Palestinian people have to swap for... their land?
That will be for the negotiators to decide, yes ... ???
But ... Again ...
Patiently ...
The existence of The ("Jewish") State of Israel will not be negotiated away by the Israelis ...
It just won't ... Period ...
I don't know that that post is accurate.
I know some Biblical Scholars who would argue that point.
Yes ...
But the existence of The Tomb of The Patriarchs is not in doubt ...
It's in Hebron ... You can look up photos of it ...
It is an important shrine for Observant Jews and Observant Muslims ...
Anyway ... You do realize that there are religious scholars who doubt the historicity of
the Lord Jesus of Nazareth ... ??? ... So, then ... ???
Which is in Palestinian territory, btw.
The Palestinian radicals (i.e, the Palestinian leadership -- The PA, Hamas, Hezbollah) regard ever square meter of The Land of Israel as "occupied" Palestinian territory ...
So ...
I certainly concur that those look pretty damn anti-semitic. I continue to be unpleasantly surprised by people.
So does any rational person.
Well, yes; but there is the Specially Built Road that goes to it. (Tzir ha Mitpalelim /Route of the Worshippers.) It goes right through Hebron so the Jews can get there safely and it is guarded on each side by Israeli soldiers every few metres.
I disagree to the implicit notion, but what do you care?
As to remembering what happened in 1918, move the fuck on. The thread is supposed to be about the evolving relations, and yet your contribution is to constantly insist that some event on some past date must be at the forefront of everyone's mind. Exactly what the date is and what the event is keeps changing, but I repeat: it's like arguing with an early version of a Google search engine. You keep giving the impression that your only capacity here is to regurgitate information on past events without any sense of relevance, context or meaning.
You got links on The Marrickville Greens saying that? I can't find the others.
Direct Action was back in the 1960's and early 70's. Not surprised there's nothing on the web about it. Trots have never had much impact on the general community or political life here.
Riiiiight. So the Marrickville Greens aren't saying it, there's no trace on the net that they ever did. And what Trots were saying 50 years ago is as relevant as what the Grand Mufti said 100 ago.
What a surprise.
@Gee D I think you need to withdraw your accusation that the Greens tried to act against Jewish businesses when it was in fact a BDS policy aimed at Israel. As it stands it looks libellous to me.
Martin, the point is that the anti-semitism in NSW politics has been from the left and the examples I gave are evidence of that. That was the position 50 years ago and continued to be the position of the Marrickville Greens. The NSW Greens are not a group of tree-huggers, but of the extreme left.
You said they called for a boycott of Jewish businesses. I took you at your word on that but it now appears you elided the truth that they in fact called for a boycott directed at Israel, so not in fact evidence of anti-semitism. I believe you owe me an apology.
Except that your claim that they opposed giving council business to businesses owned by Jews was simply untrue.
And it that's your best go at proving left-wing anti-Semitism I think we can call bollocks. It looks to me like you're pulling the old stunt of casting opposition to Israeli policy as anti-Semitism.
Prove it. You gave no evidence at all.
Otherwise you're being economical with the truth (in Australian context again). Otherwise you're being a Zionist-Israel propagandist. In a matter as sensitive as Jew hating as opposed to criticizing Jewish colonialism through the Jewish state of Israel, precision is vital. Apart from in informing national UK Labour Party foreign policy, I see no part in local Labour Party business for singling out Israel. And none whatsoever, ever, for singling out Jews except as a vulnerable minority, including in the Labour Party, in need of protection.
It's nuanced you see.
Which ironically would be anti-Semitic itself.
It's certainly Newspeak, but it's not Jew hating by Jews.
I think I have found an indirect link to the boycott, Geo D is talking about in Wikipedia, but I cannot bring up its sources.
But it's a boycott of Israel, not of Jews, which is what @Gee D incorrectly claimed it to be.
And we're constantly being told how conflating the two is anti-Semitic.
I can just fine. It's about an Israeli military supplies company, with an Australian subsidiary, supplying to IDF brigades in the occupied Golan and then occupied Gaza.
' an Israeli business that was a target of a boycott call by pro-Palestinian activists.'
'the Brenner store, part of an Israeli chain.'
'Israeli parent company, the Strauss Group, engaged in “ongoing ethnic cleansing” by supporting the Israel Defense Forces. Strauss provides care packages and sports equipment to the IDF’s Golani and Givati brigades.'
Exactly the issue at hand ...
Hence ... the fact that the existence of The ("Jewish") State of Israel will not be a negotiating point ...
'That ever[y] (sic) square meter of The Land of Israel as "occupied" Palestinian territory'?
If and when sincere negotiating partners come to the table, there will be land swaps, adjustments, reparations and compensation ...
But, no ... The Israelis are not going to negotiate themselves into minority status in their own country, nor will they agree to reducing The ("Jewish") State of Israel to a couple of neighborhoods in Tel Aviv and maybe one small section of West Jerusalem ...
It's just not going to happen .. Period ...
No Palestinian representatives can sign away their people's land. Whatever they sign. As Percy Allenine says in Tinker Tailor, 'Arabs. You can rent one, but you can't buy one.'
Israel is buying ten thousand years of hate.
You do know that the Arab League, with the support of the PA, offered recognition of Israel in return for withdrawal from the occupied territories and negotiation of a settlement for Palestinian refugees. Netenyahu refused.
The People of Israel are in Existential peril, trying to survive ...
This is about a lot more than land ...
Define "occupied territory" ... "There's the rub ..."
The land Israel occupied in 1967, as I hope you well know.
1. I am not an Israeli apologist.
2. I stick with what I said.
Evidence or STFU is I believe the appropriate response at this point.
1. You use their Newspeak.
2. What, the unsubstantiated lie?
They are in existential peril as the UN and they stole, and they continue to steal, Arab land and oppress Arabs in their land fragments.
But ... The fiercest critics of The ("Jewish") State of Israel regard every square meter of The Land of Israel as "occupied territory" ...
Everything was going just swimmingly -- for everybody -- before 1948 ... ???
To say that I have posted a lie is deeply offensive.
I have no idea what you mean by "their Newspeak".
So are the People of Palestine.
So that's one thing they've got in common. Maybe they could find ways to use that for greater safety and better lives for all.
It is well known and well substantiated in these parts.
Wouldn't finds its way into the British press of course.
The activists targeted the business because its parent company sends chocolate to IDF soldiers. They were probably not being anti-semetic, as distinct from anti-Israel, but it is a close call. It is a flimsy excuse to boycott a Jewish business selling sweet treats and coffee in Australia. I will give the organisers the benefit of the doubt, because they are mostly young enthusiasts looking to make a name for themselves in radical circles. They didn't think it through.
But make no mistake: this action could easily be interpreted as anti-semetic, and fast, loud talking would be required to justify black banning a chain of cafes because its effective owner sends chocolate treats and sports equipment to support the troops.