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DafydDafyd Shipmate
Fr Teilhard after your comments on all the other threads I am tempted to think that the real reason you dislike Trump is that you don't think a nation of over three hundred thousand people is big enough to contain both of your solipsistic egos.

As a constructive suggestion, may I suggest you post as a way of interacting with other people, rather than seemingly just using random phrases in posts to trigger off your interior monologue?
If you treated other posters as people rather than parts on your own private theatre you'd not have responded to a poster who had since died, nor would you have embarrassed yourself back in the summer by mistaking a Christian hanging onto faith for Christopher Hitchens. Believe me, there is in honest doubt more faith than lies in half your creed.

As it is, if Israel is ever attacked by animated scarecrows you'll be perfectly in practice to defend it.

Also: if you're seventy years old it's past time you learnt to punctuate. Using only ... makes it look like you're under the impression that it makes you look profound rather than look like a poser hoping that other people will do the work to rescue you from being out of your intellectual depth.
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  • Gee DGee D Shipmate
    Dafyd wrote: »
    Fr Teilhard after your comments on all the other threads I am tempted to think that the real reason you dislike Trump is that you don't think a nation of over three hundred thousand people is big enough to contain both of your solipsistic egos.

    Did you mean three hundred thousand or three hundred million?
  • DafydDafyd Shipmate
    edited January 7
    The latter. Eejit (that's me).
  • Gee DGee D Shipmate
    I was not picking on you, but even the state of Tasmania has about a half million people. What's the least populated US state - I'd imagine Montana, Wyoming or Alaska.
  • Dafyd wrote: »
    Fr Teilhard after your comments on all the other threads I am tempted to think that the real reason you dislike Trump is that you don't think a nation of over three hundred thousand people is big enough to contain both of your solipsistic egos.

    As a constructive suggestion, may I suggest you post as a way of interacting with other people, rather than seemingly just using random phrases in posts to trigger off your interior monologue?
    If you treated other posters as people rather than parts on your own private theatre you'd not have responded to a poster who had since died, nor would you have embarrassed yourself back in the summer by mistaking a Christian hanging onto faith for Christopher Hitchens. Believe me, there is in honest doubt more faith than lies in half your creed.

    As it is, if Israel is ever attacked by animated scarecrows you'll be perfectly in practice to defend it.

    Also: if you're seventy years old it's past time you learnt to punctuate. Using only ... makes it look like you're under the impression that it makes you look profound rather than look like a poser hoping that other people will do the work to rescue you from being out of your intellectual depth.

    LOL ... Thank you ... Any other helpful advice for me tonight ... ???
    Boxers rather than briefs ... ??? ... perhaps ... ???
  • Pangolin GuerrePangolin Guerre Shipmate
    edited January 7
    To be clear for those who didn't catch the reason for my invitation to Hell, it was Fr Teilhard's priggish sniffing at Lamb Chopped's profanity in Purg, implying at the same time that she was not up to the task of engagement. Well, fuck that. Lamb Chopped is adequately smart and spirited that she doesn't need me to defend her, but having followed her political crisis of conscience these last many months, I feel that that was a cheap shot. (For the record, LC and I come opposite ends of the political spectrum.) There was not even feigning a response to LC. What we saw today at The Capitol was truly shocking, and I can well image LC's profound anger and sadness.

    You @Fr Teilhard, were completely lacking in empathy in the service of a cheap shot. But then, I guess that you're just an asshole. So fuck off.
  • To be clear for those who didn't catch the reason for my invitation to Hell, it was Fr Teilhard's priggish sniffing at Lamb Chopped's profanity in Purg, implying at the same time that she was not up to the task of engagement. Well, fuck that. Lamb Chopped is adequately smart and spirited that she doesn't need me to defend her, but having followed her political crisis of conscience these last many months, I feel that that was a cheap shot. (For the record, LC and I come opposite ends of the political spectrum.) There was not even feigning a response to LC. What we saw today at The Capitol was truly shocking, and I can well image LC's profound anger and sadness.

    You @Fr Teilhard, were completely lacking in empathy in the service of a cheap shot. But then, I guess that you're just an asshole. So fuck off.

    LOL ...
    *shrug*
    More potty mouth as if it is a sign of good debate technique ...
  • Gee D wrote: »
    I was not picking on you, but even the state of Tasmania has about a half million people. What's the least populated US state - I'd imagine Montana, Wyoming or Alaska.

    Wyoming. About a half a million, yes.
  • To be clear for those who didn't catch the reason for my invitation to Hell, it was Fr Teilhard's priggish sniffing at Lamb Chopped's profanity in Purg, implying at the same time that she was not up to the task of engagement. Well, fuck that. Lamb Chopped is adequately smart and spirited that she doesn't need me to defend her, but having followed her political crisis of conscience these last many months, I feel that that was a cheap shot. (For the record, LC and I come opposite ends of the political spectrum.) There was not even feigning a response to LC. What we saw today at The Capitol was truly shocking, and I can well image LC's profound anger and sadness.

    You @Fr Teilhard, were completely lacking in empathy in the service of a cheap shot. But then, I guess that you're just an asshole. So fuck off.

    LOL ...
    *shrug*
    More potty mouth as if it is a sign of good debate technique ...

    Excise my "potty mouth" and my case still stands. You were being a petty little man.
  • To be clear for those who didn't catch the reason for my invitation to Hell, it was Fr Teilhard's priggish sniffing at Lamb Chopped's profanity in Purg, implying at the same time that she was not up to the task of engagement. Well, fuck that. Lamb Chopped is adequately smart and spirited that she doesn't need me to defend her, but having followed her political crisis of conscience these last many months, I feel that that was a cheap shot. (For the record, LC and I come opposite ends of the political spectrum.) There was not even feigning a response to LC. What we saw today at The Capitol was truly shocking, and I can well image LC's profound anger and sadness.

    You @Fr Teilhard, were completely lacking in empathy in the service of a cheap shot. But then, I guess that you're just an asshole. So fuck off.

    LOL ...
    *shrug*
    More potty mouth as if it is a sign of good debate technique ...

    Excise my "potty mouth" and my case still stands. You were being a petty little man.

    I have no idea what your gripe is ...
    (and in fact I'm a six footer ... *whatever*)
  • My gripe, as I said, repeatedly, was your cheap shot at LC, who, her "potty mouth" (God, you are a delicate flower) aside, is one of our intelligent, engaged, and sincere shipmates. Are you now sealioning?
  • They don't get much smarter, or tougher, than LC here.
  • Dave WDave W Shipmate
    To be clear for those who didn't catch the reason for my invitation to Hell, it was Fr Teilhard's priggish sniffing at Lamb Chopped's profanity in Purg, implying at the same time that she was not up to the task of engagement. Well, fuck that. Lamb Chopped is adequately smart and spirited that she doesn't need me to defend her, but having followed her political crisis of conscience these last many months, I feel that that was a cheap shot. (For the record, LC and I come opposite ends of the political spectrum.) There was not even feigning a response to LC. What we saw today at The Capitol was truly shocking, and I can well image LC's profound anger and sadness.

    You @Fr Teilhard, were completely lacking in empathy in the service of a cheap shot. But then, I guess that you're just an asshole. So fuck off.

    LOL ...
    *shrug*
    More potty mouth as if it is a sign of good debate technique ...

    Nobody thinks it’s a debating technique, you dullard. It’s personal abuse. How stupid are you really?
  • @Pangolin Guerre I count LC as a moderate with a side of state intervention, if we put labels to one side. Sort of like Rockefeller Jr or Eisenhower.

    (I recently saw a meme with a superior fellow looking down his nose at the viewer, and the words "an intellectual is someone who looks down on another for not knowing what he found out last week". I read about Rocky's liberalism last night.)
  • Some people think that false dichotomy and strawmen and ad hominem attacks are acceptable debating techniques. Naming no names. But at least their vocabulary is pure from the devil's dictionary.
  • HuiaHuia Shipmate
    [quote="Dave W;c-374229"


    Nobody thinks it’s a debating technique, you dullard. It’s personal abuse. How stupid are you really?[/quote]

    Infinitely, but I usually have some sympathy for people who are merely stupid. This goes beyond stupid to nasty, which is also evidenced by his refusal to acknowledge the death of a Shipmate he had been arguing with - and when challenged saying he had been away for a while and still not acknowledging it. Please feel free to absent yourself again, I doubt anyone would miss you. You may be 6 foot tall in actual height, but you are still a petty, small minded person.
  • Martin54Martin54 Shipmate
    To be clear for those who didn't catch the reason for my invitation to Hell, it was Fr Teilhard's priggish sniffing at Lamb Chopped's profanity in Purg, implying at the same time that she was not up to the task of engagement. Well, fuck that. Lamb Chopped is adequately smart and spirited that she doesn't need me to defend her, but having followed her political crisis of conscience these last many months, I feel that that was a cheap shot. (For the record, LC and I come opposite ends of the political spectrum.) There was not even feigning a response to LC. What we saw today at The Capitol was truly shocking, and I can well image LC's profound anger and sadness.

    You @Fr Teilhard, were completely lacking in empathy in the service of a cheap shot. But then, I guess that you're just an asshole. So fuck off.

    LOL ...
    *shrug*
    More potty mouth as if it is a sign of good debate technique ...

    Fuck you.
  • Being a "potty mouth" is no where near as bad as some other ways of interacting on a discussion forum. The subject of this thread is a 6ft tall walking demonstration of several of these.
  • Martin54Martin54 Shipmate
    edited January 7
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  • la vie en rougela vie en rouge Circus Host, 8th Day Host
    Wow. When @Huia tells you off, you know you're out of line. @Fr Teilhard take note. Huia is one of the nicest and most tolerant people you're likely to meet about these parts.
  • Wow. When @Huia tells you off, you know you're out of line. @Fr Teilhard take note. Huia is one of the nicest and most tolerant people you're likely to meet about these parts.

    @Fr Teilhard takes note of nothing.
  • Except *potty mouth* language, perhaps?
  • Except *potty mouth* language, perhaps?

    The only important thing in the world, apparently.
  • Dave W wrote: »
    To be clear for those who didn't catch the reason for my invitation to Hell, it was Fr Teilhard's priggish sniffing at Lamb Chopped's profanity in Purg, implying at the same time that she was not up to the task of engagement. Well, fuck that. Lamb Chopped is adequately smart and spirited that she doesn't need me to defend her, but having followed her political crisis of conscience these last many months, I feel that that was a cheap shot. (For the record, LC and I come opposite ends of the political spectrum.) There was not even feigning a response to LC. What we saw today at The Capitol was truly shocking, and I can well image LC's profound anger and sadness.

    You @Fr Teilhard, were completely lacking in empathy in the service of a cheap shot. But then, I guess that you're just an asshole. So fuck off.

    LOL ...
    *shrug*
    More potty mouth as if it is a sign of good debate technique ...

    Nobody thinks it’s a debating technique, you dullard. It’s personal abuse. How stupid are you really?

    insults ...
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited January 8
    ... are sometimes truths ...
  • Is it an insult if it's true? Well I suppose. "Insult" has to do with motivation; "truth" has to do with veracity. ¿Porque no los dos? and all.
    _________________
    why not both
  • Smarting off to hosts in response to a hostly warning, in the same thread. No reprimand. Where'd he get the Jesus shoes?
  • I'm a Moderator in a couple of FaceBook groups ...

    Whenever someone contributes foul language and/or personal insults a *flag* pops up and the offending post is *deleted* and sometimes so is the offender ...

    On "The Ship of Fools," OTOH, spleen venting is ... I guess ... de rigueur ("fashionable," "even expected") ...

    *shrug*
  • I'm a Moderator in a couple of FaceBook groups ...

    Whenever someone contributes foul language and/or personal insults a *flag* pops up and the offending post is *deleted* and sometimes so is the offender ...

    On "The Ship of Fools," OTOH, spleen venting is ... I guess ... de rigueur ("fashionable," "even expected") ...

    *shrug*

    No, just on the Hell board. Which you'd know if you bothered to read the rules.

    In any case, bans based on word choice rather than meaning are a crutch for incompetent moderators and a licence for passive aggressive trolls to goad people into copping a ban. Hell exists to allow people driven to distraction by imbeciles a place to vent their frustrations.
  • If you hadn't noticed, this isn't Facebook. We're set up for serious discussion, and serious discussion requires people to say what they believe - and, in some cases that can be be expressed through "potty mouth" language. And, sometimes personal insults (only in Hell, of course). In many cases having an entirely dispassionate discussion is a luxury, the privilege of not being at the bottom of the social status pile. A discussion about whether cops are always right will get very different responses from white people who never think about the cops than black people who are always aware that the cops turning up is a potentially dangerous situation - and, those who have experience of cops turning up may well need to use more colourful language to express their experience. To ban such language is to deny a voice that we need to hear, to set up rules from our privilege that maintains our privilege and keep the underprivileged quiet where they don't disturb our comfortable lives. This is the Magazine of Christian Unrest, if those of us who by our birth and background are privileged (eg: white and male) are not made uncomfortable by the voices of the underprivileged - and that includes the "potty mouth" language that best expresses what they're saying - then there's no Unrest here.
  • DafydDafyd Shipmate
    LOL ... Thank you ... Any other helpful advice for me tonight ... ???
    Boxers rather than briefs ... ??? ... perhaps ... ???
    One or the other.

    How about:
    Only post when you have something to say that is meaningful and falls outside the purview of the Department of the Bleeding Obvious.
    Don't attack straw men.
    Don't repeat the same point in the same words. Either people didn't understand your point in the words you used the first time and you need to rephrase, or they did understand it and gave it the attention that it deserved.
    If people tell you that the way you are coming over does not match what you think is the truth about yourself, adjust the way you are coming over so that it does.
    Try to construct reasoned arguments.

    Expanding on the last point: Reasoned arguments consist of:
    1) Premises your opponents accept;
    2) Conclusions that they do not accept that are contained in or implied by the premises.
    3) An exhibition of how the conclusions are contained in or implied by the premise.
    You have 1) down pat. That is, you're quite capable of summoning up truisms, tautologies, statements of the bleeding obvious, and platitudes with which nobody could disagree.
    It is however not apparent that you've mastered 2), since mostly your conclusions do not seem to be implied by your premises; and you appear to think that scattering ellipses through your post is an adequate substitute for 3).
  • Dave WDave W Shipmate
    Dave W wrote: »
    To be clear for those who didn't catch the reason for my invitation to Hell, it was Fr Teilhard's priggish sniffing at Lamb Chopped's profanity in Purg, implying at the same time that she was not up to the task of engagement. Well, fuck that. Lamb Chopped is adequately smart and spirited that she doesn't need me to defend her, but having followed her political crisis of conscience these last many months, I feel that that was a cheap shot. (For the record, LC and I come opposite ends of the political spectrum.) There was not even feigning a response to LC. What we saw today at The Capitol was truly shocking, and I can well image LC's profound anger and sadness.

    You @Fr Teilhard, were completely lacking in empathy in the service of a cheap shot. But then, I guess that you're just an asshole. So fuck off.

    LOL ...
    *shrug*
    More potty mouth as if it is a sign of good debate technique ...

    Nobody thinks it’s a debating technique, you dullard. It’s personal abuse. How stupid are you really?

    insults ...

    Yes, they're insults, you fucking idiot.
  • I'm a Moderator in a couple of FaceBook groups ...

    Whenever someone contributes foul language and/or personal insults a *flag* pops up and the offending post is *deleted* and sometimes so is the offender ...

    On "The Ship of Fools," OTOH, spleen venting is ... I guess ... de rigueur ("fashionable," "even expected") ...

    *shrug*

    ... distraction by imbeciles a place to vent their frustrations.

    LOL ...
    As I indicated above ... "de rigueur" ...

    But that being the case, from now on when/if one of The Hell Forum bullies
    feels the need to insult me, cuss me out, etc.,
    my stock reply can just be, "That's what you are, but what am I ... ???"
    *whatever*
  • You do realize that, since this is Hell, they might answer that question?
  • Golden Key wrote: »
    You do realize that, since this is Hell, they might answer that question?

    ...
  • FirenzeFirenze Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    Golden Key wrote: »
    You do realize that, since this is Hell, they might answer that question?

    ...

    More useful if could actually join the dots.

  • Golden Key wrote: »
    You do realize that, since this is Hell, they might answer that question?

    yup
  • And yet again sassing back to a host on the thread rather than in Styx. These are not the actions of a Good Shipmate.
  • Golden Key wrote: »
    You do realize that, since this is Hell, they might answer that question?

    yup

    Another "Corbomite" rejoinder (from grade school days): "It takes one to know one ..."
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    I really do not understand why people come to Hell and are offended by the language. It is there in the rules. The ship is massive. Hell is the only place swearing is totally acceptable. If you are not keen either live with it or move on. I am not one to swear much at all, but rules are rules.
  • Hugal wrote: »
    I really do not understand why people come to Hell and are offended by the language. It is there in the rules. The ship is massive. Hell is the only place swearing is totally acceptable. If you are not keen either live with it or move on. I am not one to swear much at all, but rules are rules.

    Yeah ... *shrug* ...

    "If you don't accept being *bullied* then stay away from the Playground ..."
  • orfeoorfeo Shipmate
    You are ruining this forum. Fuck off and die.
  • Yes, some days I look down the list of threads, and every fucking one ends with Teilhard. Its like a pestilence.
  • Fr TeilhardFr Teilhard Shipmate
    edited January 10
    orfeo wrote: »
    You are ruining this forum. Fuck off and die.

    LOL ...
    Your mother must be very proud of you ...
  • Fr TeilhardFr Teilhard Shipmate
    edited January 10
    Yes, some days I look down the list of threads, and every fucking one ends with Teilhard. Its like a pestilence.

    Huh ...
    You're not required to look at anything I post, you know ...
  • {Dons full rain gear, as for a Gallagher show (The Morning Call) for likely splatter from things hitting the fan, and/or someone going overboard.}
  • Anyone care to place bets on how soon Fr. Teilhard gets shore leave or flounces away in a huff? Oh, wait. It keeps sticking around to get the last word, so I guess it will accumulate enough ill will or break enough rules and will be forcibly removed.
  • The5thMary wrote: »
    Anyone care to place bets on how soon Fr. Teilhard gets shore leave or flounces away in a huff? Oh, wait. It keeps sticking around to get the last word, so I guess it will accumulate enough ill will or break enough rules and will be forcibly removed.

    Your mother must be very proud of you ...
  • I don't know. She kicked the bucket in 1979. I haven't talked to her for quite some time. However, she didn't suffer fools gladly, so I have a feeling she might consider my comments about you to be too mild.

  • Oh dear God it's gone into playground taunt mode. Somebody turn it off.
  • orfeoorfeo Shipmate
    orfeo wrote: »
    You are ruining this forum. Fuck off and die.

    LOL ...
    Your mother must be very proud of you ...

    She is.

    What she would think of such language, I've no idea, because she doesn't behave in a way that would motivate me to speak like that in her presence.

    Your mother must have constantly fought the urge to slap you.
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