The Prophecy of The Popes

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  • If he is (thinking about bears, and Russia) he’s probably a Uniate :smile:
  • LOL.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    Golden Key wrote: »
    if you're talking with someone who says/asks something really obvious, you can reply with "Is the Pope Catholic? Does a bear sh*t in the woods?" I think they were originally separate comments. I know I've heard the first one on its own.)

    I've almost always heard them separately. Though I did once see a joke news item in Natìonal Lampoon from the 1970s that went roughly as follows...

    "The CIA has admitted that it played a role in fomenting the overthrow of President Allende in Chile. In other news, it is reported that the Pope lists his religion as Catholic, and bears find the woods a useful locale for defecation."

  • I have always been of the opinion that the Bear was Catholic and that the Pope . . .(well, get the idea.)

  • An opinion [by undead_rat] based on desperate over-interpretation of a half-arsed prophecy made by a proven liar combined with random snippets of news from fives years ago and geopolitical analysis worthy of Rush Limbaugh on one of his more doped-up days.

    Sir, you have hit the nail on the head, so to speak. We should all hope and pray that you are right, because the prognosis is not good. In fact, it is very, very bad.
  • What prognosis is that? And for whom is it very, very bad? And why is it so?

    It's no use being so vague and cryptic. Enquiring minds need to know - and please don't refer me to yet another unknown and eldritch tome...let's have your views.
  • Perhaps the pope is a Catholic bear who lives in the woods?
  • What prognosis is that? And for whom is it very, very bad? And why is it so?

    Wion's prophecy for Francis predicts a persecution of the Catholic Church during his reign. The (alleged) visions of Pope St. Pius X predict some of disaster at Vatican City which will involve the pope and a retired pope.

    My interpretation is that ISIS (with Iranian weaponry) with make a European-wide attack on the Catholic hierarchy centering on Vatican City. Both Francis and Benedict XVI will be killed. The papacy will remain vacant for several years. Then St. Peter will re-assume his leadership of the Catholic Church, but will be regarded by many as the anti-Christ.

    The immediate fallout will be a shift to the far-right in European politics.
    According to Pius X's vision, this event signals the beginning of the last days of the world.

  • Martin54Martin54 Shipmate
    This is madness. Don't feed it.
  • Too late !
  • Dave WDave W Shipmate
    Has ISIS ever shown any particular interest in the Catholic Church?

    Why can't the bad guys be secular humanists? I think everyone always underestimates the secular humanists these days. They really need to get better marketing. ISIS has a cool flag - maybe something like that would help.
  • Dave W wrote: »
    Has ISIS ever shown any particular interest in the Catholic Church?
    .

    For years ISIS has been making threats against the Catholic Church and Vatican City, saying that soon Muslims will be praying there.
  • The Catholic Church just isn't as important as it was when all of these prophecies and conspiracy theories were first spun. It's like you found a "prophecy" from the 17th century about how the Dutch were going to take over the world. It may have seemed likely then. It sure doesn't now.
  • This.

    BTW, what a mediaeval world-view all this is, although once upon a time everything was centred on Jerusalem, rather than Rome.
    undead_rat wrote: »
    Dave W wrote: »
    Has ISIS ever shown any particular interest in the Catholic Church?
    .

    For years ISIS has been making threats against the Catholic Church and Vatican City, saying that soon Muslims will be praying there.

    Maybe they do already...secretly...whilst visiting, disguised as tourists...
    :open_mouth:

  • MargaretMargaret Shipmate
    Isaac Newton did careful calculations and concluded that the world is very unlikely to end before 2060, so perhaps we need not worry quite yet...
  • Well, that'll see me out!
    :wink:
  • Dave WDave W Shipmate
    undead_rat wrote: »
    Dave W wrote: »
    Has ISIS ever shown any particular interest in the Catholic Church?
    .

    For years ISIS has been making threats against the Catholic Church and Vatican City, saying that soon Muslims will be praying there.
    They don't seem to be doing anything about it, though. In this list of attacks attributed to ISIS, aside from some church bombings in Indonesia in 2018, the Catholic Church is notably absent as a target.

    And why would you think they're going to use weapons from Iran, specifically? You realize they're extremely anti-Shi'ite, right?
  • Dave W wrote: »

    And why would you think they're going to use weapons from Iran, specifically? You realize they're extremely anti-Shi'ite, right?

    We have to ask why the two popes would be forced to leave Vatican City.
    It seems like either a dirty bomb or nerve gas attack or maybe a combination of both.
    Iran has the capability of supplying these things, and ISIS may have the soldiers in Europe necessary to deploy them. I do not think that Iran has just forgotten about the USA's murder of Qassem Soleimani. That act was an outright declaration of war.

    History makes for strange bedfellows.
  • Re "strange bedfellows":

    There's something in the back of my mind, from maybe the early '90s, wherein the Vatican and some Muslim leader(s) collaborated on a particular moral issue. IIRC, it had to do with women. Divorce? Abortion? Other?

    Anyway, I thought at the time "Strange bedfellows--but the pope is supposed to be celibate!"
  • undead rat--

    Question, if I may: what do you get from digging deeply into (apocalyptic) prophecies?

    Does it make you feel like there's some order and control in a chaotic world? Does it give you hope?

    Does it give you a project during difficult times?

    Asking seriously.

    Thx.
  • Dave WDave W Shipmate
    undead_rat wrote: »
    Dave W wrote: »

    And why would you think they're going to use weapons from Iran, specifically? You realize they're extremely anti-Shi'ite, right?

    We have to ask why the two popes would be forced to leave Vatican City.
    It seems like either a dirty bomb or nerve gas attack or maybe a combination of both.
    Iran has the capability of supplying these things, and ISIS may have the soldiers in Europe necessary to deploy them. I do not think that Iran has just forgotten about the USA's murder of Qassem Soleimani. That act was an outright declaration of war.

    History makes for strange bedfellows.

    Oh for crying out loud. Iran is going to arm ISIS to attack the Vatican because the US assassinated Soleimani?

    You do realize, don't you, that Iran can probably tell the difference between the US and the Vatican?
  • Of course, but the USA is out of reach and Vatican City is a relatively soft target. ISIS soldiers will be able to hide in the innocent Muslim populations of Europe, who, while they to not support ISIS objectives, are deathly afraid of that organizaton.
  • Golden Key wrote: »
    undead rat--

    Question, if I may: what do you get from digging deeply into (apocalyptic) prophecies?

    Thx.

    I see it as my life's work, and I have been working on it for about sixty years. In my opinion, it's later than we realize. The anti-Christ (Adolf Hitler) has already come and gone.
    Judgement Day is right around the corner and will be enabled by a global nuclear war.
  • undead rat--

    Thx for the answer. And what is your purpose in telling us? Is there something you think people should do in the meantime? If so, what? And will doing it change anything?

    Just in case you don't know: many times, Christians have thought they got a prophecy right, yet nothing happened. And there's sad fallout from that.

    Have you heard of the "Great Disappointment"? (GCI)
  • Thanks for the link. 1844 was the year that the Babi' movement started in Persia. Its aim was to pave the way for the Mahdi' of Shi'ite Islam who turned out to be Baha'ullah. Bahai's regard him as the second coming of Christ. Perhaps there is a connection between that event and Miller's expectations.

    Do I have prophecy right? I am not asking anyone to wait on a hillside. I suggest that we keep an open mind about the Prophecy of the Popes together with the (alleged) visions of Pius X. Benedict XVI is reportedly on his last legs and if he dies a peaceful death, then I am wrong.

    If by some chance i should be proven correct, that will be a confirmation of the papal prophecies. We then should regard the next pope, named Petrus Romanus, to NOT be the anti-Christ as many will label him, but to be St. Peter.

    We might also remember the fable of the "boy who cried wolf." Now that "wolf" has been cried so many times, who will believe that the End of Days is actually here?
  • Martin54Martin54 Shipmate
    Golden Key wrote: »
    undead rat--

    Thx for the answer. And what is your purpose in telling us? Is there something you think people should do in the meantime? If so, what? And will doing it change anything?

    Just in case you don't know: many times, Christians have thought they got a prophecy right, yet nothing happened. And there's sad fallout from that.

    Have you heard of the "Great Disappointment"? (GCI)

    Oooh! That's what my cult became! GCI. There is hope. Before the grave. Not a lot. True believers are immune to rational discourse, as The Boxer says.
  • undead_rat wrote: »
    We might also remember the fable of the "boy who cried wolf." Now that "wolf" has been cried so many times, who will believe that the End of Days is actually here?
    Given that Jesus said that even the Son of God did not know when the Second Coming was going to happen, I do not see why this information should be available to @undead_rat or indeed anyone else.

  • Martin54Martin54 Shipmate
    undead_rat wrote: »
    We might also remember the fable of the "boy who cried wolf." Now that "wolf" has been cried so many times, who will believe that the End of Days is actually here?
    Given that Jesus said that even the Son of God did not know when the Second Coming was going to happen, I do not see why this information should be available to @undead_rat or indeed anyone else.

    Ah, but does God the Son?
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    undead_rat wrote: »
    Golden Key wrote: »
    undead rat--

    Question, if I may: what do you get from digging deeply into (apocalyptic) prophecies?

    Thx.

    I see it as my life's work, and I have been working on it for about sixty years. In my opinion, it's later than we realize. The anti-Christ (Adolf Hitler) has already come and gone.
    Judgement Day is right around the corner and will be enabled by a global nuclear war.

    What is the Mark of the Beast if Hitler was the Antichrist? The swastika and other Nazi imagery is illegal in many European countries now, and the swastika has always been most common in Asian countries where it is a Hindu/Buddhist symbol and nothing to do with Hitler. That doesn't seem to fit in with the Mark's characteristics.

    The Antichrist is described as someone who is not generally believed to be the Antichrist. The number of people who fought Hitler vastly outweighs all the followers he had, even if you include other Axis powers. I am not sure if I believe in one literal human person being the Antichrist but Trump fits far better than Hitler does. Hell, even Obama does (but Obama is clearly not the Antichrist). What about people who believe that the Pope is the Antichrist?
  • undead_rat wrote: »
    Given that Jesus said that even the Son of God did not know when the Second Coming was going to happen, I do not see why this information should be available to @undead_rat or indeed anyone else.
    Rabbi Yeshu was talking about "the day and the hour," which no one is attempting to specify here. He did say that we could know when He was near.
  • Pomona----

    Jesus was the Messiah, but He did not have a world-wide following either (at least not in the first century.)
    I deem Hitler the anti-Messiah because, instead of being the savior of the Jews, he was their destroyer.
  • Martin54Martin54 Shipmate
    undead_rat wrote: »
    Golden Key wrote: »
    undead rat--

    Question, if I may: what do you get from digging deeply into (apocalyptic) prophecies?

    Thx.

    I see it as my life's work, and I have been working on it for about sixty years. In my opinion, it's later than we realize. The anti-Christ (Adolf Hitler) has already come and gone.
    Judgement Day is right around the corner and will be enabled by a global nuclear war.

    Did you give up your day job?
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    Also, surely a pandemic or a natural disaster like an earthquake is far more likely to force evacuation from the Vatican than Iran teaming up with ISIS? Iran is home to many people who have fled ISIS. Iran is also not particularly likely to attack a European country, and given the incoming US administration should hopefully have a much less hostile relationship with the US soon. Terrorist attacks in the West since 9/11 have not usually resulted in the targets being destroyed to the point that they have been abandoned in any case.

    Predicting that Muslim immigrants in Europe are a cover for terrorist plots is literal Trumpian rhetoric. It's from the same playbook as no-go zones in London. It's nonsense. There has already been a large shift to the far-right in European politics, thanks to theories like this about events which haven't happened. Your theory could be from a La Liga election campaign.
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    undead_rat wrote: »
    Pomona----

    Jesus was the Messiah, but He did not have a world-wide following either (at least not in the first century.)
    I deem Hitler the anti-Messiah because, instead of being the savior of the Jews, he was their destroyer.

    Yeah but so was Nero, the usual person deemed to have been the Antichrist. I don't know if you've noticed but quite a lot of people have tried to destroy Jewish people. It also has demonstrably not worked, given that there are still Jewish people around.
  • But nothing on the scale of millions as did Hitler.
  • Perhaps not, but the point is that Hitler failed to completely destroy the Jews.
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    Relative to total population, is that actually true? The Black Death for instance killed a far bigger percentage of the population than any modern pandemic, despite modern pandemics killing more people. Given the massive jump in population after the end of the Little Ice Age, it seems unlikely that Hitler did actually kill Jewish people on a larger scale than Nero.

    If Hitler was the Antichrist, why is the Apocalypse seemingly triggered by something unrelated to Nazi Germany? Why the random expulsion of the Popes from the Vatican? The importance of the Pope has been declining rapidly over the last few hundred years. Why spend so much energy on an institution that no longer has much political power?
  • Martin54Martin54 Shipmate
    Yeah but because
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    Also, Gentiles referring to Jewish people as 'the Jews' rather than 'Jewish people' is generally seen as pejorative - it seems odd that someone whose theories feature Jewish people so heavily would be unaware of this.
  • I don't actually know what "pejorative" means, but it can't be good. (Please pardon my ignorance.)

    In my view, the Apocalypse is a global nuclear war, and, as you know, the development of nuclear weapons was started in Germany, a fact which motivated the USA to do the same.
  • Dave WDave W Shipmate
    Pomona wrote: »
    Also, Gentiles referring to Jewish people as 'the Jews' rather than 'Jewish people' is generally seen as pejorative - it seems odd that someone whose theories feature Jewish people so heavily would be unaware of this.
    Do you have a reference for this connotation? The website for the Anti-Defamation League (for example) uses “Jews” frequently (and not simply in quotations from anti-semites.)
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    I think if you can spend so much time looking up conspiracy theories online, you can also look up the definition of words.

    What does the Vatican have to do with nuclear war? The Vatican has historically opposed nuclear weapons. In any case, surely the incoming US President makes a nuclear war less likely, not more likely? It seems like you just have an idea that you are desperately trying to fit the facts to, even when the facts contradict your theory.
  • Pomona, the reference to nuclear war was in reply to your mention of the Apocalypse and has, as you say, nothing to do with the Vatican.
  • Google is your friend:

    pejorative
    /pɪˈdʒɒrətɪv/

    adjective:
    expressing contempt or disapproval.


  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    undead_rat wrote: »
    Pomona, the reference to nuclear war was in reply to your mention of the Apocalypse and has, as you say, nothing to do with the Vatican.

    So why the focus on the Vatican?
  • Martin54Martin54 Shipmate
    undead_rat wrote: »
    I don't actually know what "pejorative" means, but it can't be good. (Please pardon my ignorance.)

    In my view, the Apocalypse is a global nuclear war, and, as you know, the development of nuclear weapons was started in Germany, a fact which motivated the USA to do the same.

    Double click on it, right click, 8 down. Ignorance solved. In this regard.
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    Dave W wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Also, Gentiles referring to Jewish people as 'the Jews' rather than 'Jewish people' is generally seen as pejorative - it seems odd that someone whose theories feature Jewish people so heavily would be unaware of this.
    Do you have a reference for this connotation? The website for the Anti-Defamation League (for example) uses “Jews” frequently (and not simply in quotations from anti-semites.)

    It's referring to Jewish people as a homogenous group as 'the Jews' that is the problem, not just 'Jews'. The source is my Jewish friends, which I appreciate isn't a verifiable source, but it's similar to 'the blacks' v 'blacks' or 'black people'.
  • I suppose that would be like 'the gays' as opposed to 'gays '? But what about 'the English' as opposed to 'English'. I think I agree with you for example that saying 'the English do......such and such' is lumping everyone in together, but would it not be the same if one said ' English people do.... such and such'. Wouldn't one have to say 'some English people do... such and such ' ?
  • Hello, just popping my head into this particular bonnet to point out that Jesus posed the question that when He returns, will He find faith on earth? (Luke 18:8)

    So whatever I may believe about events and timescales, my overriding question needs to be: am I helping to encourage a faith which can identify upcoming geopolitical upheavals, or one which helps people live through troubles.

    Life sucks no matter when you live. My world can fall apart without my needing to know when the world (officially) falls apart.

    Equally, my solving prophetic puzzles doesn’t bring personal calm (just look at the lives of the OT prophets)

    If I have all prophecy (from God) without love (of God) then I won’t be much help when “most people’s love will grow cold.” (Matthew 24:12)
  • Dave WDave W Shipmate
    Forthview wrote: »
    I suppose that would be like 'the gays' as opposed to 'gays '? But what about 'the English' as opposed to 'English'. I think I agree with you for example that saying 'the English do......such and such' is lumping everyone in together, but would it not be the same if one said ' English people do.... such and such'. Wouldn't one have to say 'some English people do... such and such ' ?
    “People who happen to be English”?
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