john holdingEcclesiantics Host, Mystery Worshipper Host
Unless you're Canadian or one of the several thousands of workers who are going to be out of work in a couple of days.
It's a complicated matter, and it's not at all clear that either side has a monopoly on truth or virtue.
Unless you're Canadian or one of the several thousands of workers who are going to be out of work in a couple of days.
It's a complicated matter, and it's not at all clear that either side has a monopoly on truth or virtue.
The government of Alberta had wanted to tranship through the US because, well. it is cheaper than going over the Rockies or shipping east to the Great Lakes. They will just have to go back to the drawing board.
Unless you're Canadian or one of the several thousands of workers who are going to be out of work in a couple of days.
It's a complicated matter, and it's not at all clear that either side has a monopoly on truth or virtue.
Ahh yes, using a axiomatic truth to slip through a lie.
This is nonsense both-sidism. They are not equal nor equivalent.
One does not need to see Biden has holy or Saint like to see that his administration is light years better than the wickedness of Trump and Trumpism.
Let's just look at this shall we:
Trump:
1. Welcomed and cooperated with Russian interference in the 2016 election
2. Boasted about committing sexual assault
3. Made fun of a disabled supporter
4. Incited violence against protesters at his rallies
5. Used dog whistle racist comments
6. Caged children separated from their families such that some 1500 probably can't be reunited with their families
7. Obstructed Justice- 7-10 times in the Mueller investigation
8. Dangled pardons to keep people from incriminating him
9. Called White supremacist murderers "good people"
9. Was rightfully impeached for trying to use withholding of aid money appropriated by Congress to bribe a foreign government to get dirt on a political rivalry
10. Has lied tens of thousands of times in his public statements
11. Has used the office of the presidency to funnel foreign and domestic business to Trump companies
12. Has via Twitter and other means insulted and threatened anyone who disagrees with him
13. Was again impeached for inciting a mob against the legislative branch of the US government.
That's just off the top of my head in a few minutes.
There is no comparison.
No side has a total monopoly of virtue or truth, of course but it's pretty darn close!!!!
I'll believe it's the most progressive considered in terms of representation of minorities. Whether it will be more progressive in terms of substantial economic policies than FD Roosevelt's or more progressive in terms of civil rights than Lincoln's or Lyndon Johnson's is I think not beyond doubt.
No side has a total monopoly of virtue or truth, of course but it's pretty darn close!!!!
I fear you have misinterpreted @john holding here. The two sides in his post are not, I think, Trump and Biden/Harris - they are the pro- and anti- Keystone XL arguments.
The fact that Trump supported Keystone XL and Biden has said he will cancel it does not attribute all the faults of Trump, or the virtues of Biden, to the pro- or anti- Keystone XL case.
I'd agree that if you found yourself standing next to Donald Trump, you'd be right to be rather concerned about whether you were standing in the right place. But nevertheless, while I think the case for Biden vs Trump is clear, I don't think Keystone XL is quite so clear cut.
No side has a total monopoly of virtue or truth, of course but it's pretty darn close!!!!
I fear you have misinterpreted @john holding here. The two sides in his post are not, I think, Trump and Biden/Harris - they are the pro- and anti- Keystone XL arguments.
The fact that Trump supported Keystone XL and Biden has said he will cancel it does not attribute all the faults of Trump, or the virtues of Biden, to the pro- or anti- Keystone XL case.
I'd agree that if you found yourself standing next to Donald Trump, you'd be right to be rather concerned about whether you were standing in the right place. But nevertheless, while I think the case for Biden vs Trump is clear, I don't think Keystone XL is quite so clear cut.
But nevertheless, while I think the case for Biden vs Trump is clear, I don't think Keystone XL is quite so clear cut.
Seems pretty clear cut to me. TransCanada TC Energy wants to transport some of the dirtiest fossil fuel on the planet from the blasted moonscape of Alberta over two major aquifers and some of the most valuable agricultural land in the world. Given that pipelines inevitably leak and fossil fuel companies inevitably lie about those leaks, I'm not seeing the upside for anyone other that TransCanada's TC Energy's shareholders. I guess warming the planet a few more tenths of a degree in exchange for another ivory back scratcher seems like a good deal to some people.
For those who worry about "jobs" it should be noted that pipelines provide one of the lowest number of long-term jobs per dollar spent of just about any infrastructure project. Building literally anything else would be better for employment than a pipeline.
Seems pretty clear cut to me. TransCanada TC Energy wants to transport some of the dirtiest fossil fuel on the planet from the blasted moonscape of Alberta over two major aquifers and some of the most valuable agricultural land in the world.
(I actually agree with you about Keystone XL - I just don't think it's anything like as clear cut as the question of whether Donald Trump has comparable virtue to Joe Biden. I suppose I see Keystone XL as something like a 90-10 split, and Trump vs Biden as something more than six sigma.)
I think the Keystone would have provided only 500 jobs in the United States. I am not sure how many TC Energy would have gained. That said, I think the United States will provide more jobs in renewable energy than we will lose from the pipeline.
john holdingEcclesiantics Host, Mystery Worshipper Host
I am quite sure you're right about US jobs. I was mainly writing about the jobs that would disappear in Canada. We're supposed to be allies. Trump was supposed to be the mean man that no one can trust. I know Canada isn't all that mighty in the world, but Biden is setting about making us (almost) regret his election in a way I would not have expected. If he won't even discuss something so important to us before knifing us in the back, what comes next? ANd why should we take seriously whatever he says about being allies and friends?
(Just to be clear, I know precisely why he's doing this, and it's perfectly reasonable if your focus is on the US alone. But in that case, you cannot seriously pretend to be interested in international co-operation. ANd to be clear on another point, I actually am ambivalent about the pipeline -- it's just that many of the facts adduced on this by anti-pipeline folks may well have been true 10-15 years ago have been overtaken by actions and technology, so that the oil from the tarsands is no longer necessarily the environmental disaster it was in the past.)
No, John, you are missing the point. The Keystone Pipeline had the greatest potential to contaminate the Ogalala Aquifer which would have contaminated the drinking water from North Dakota all the way down to Texas, There would have been no way to mitigate that environmental damage to generally about 1/3 of the United States, You are basically asking the United States to be willing to allow itself to be a septic dump for Canada? Friends just do not do that to friends.
Besides, the oil is not needed anymore with the development of renewable energy resources. To continue to exploit the oil sands would have only continued the increase of greenhouse gases. Environmentalists are saying with continued climate change, we will reach the tipping point in 20 to 30 years. I would rather want to see that later than sooner, if at all possible. Canada wants to be at zero emissions by 2050. The oil sands project would destroy that goal.
Canadians were happy with the pipeline threatening American groundwater and violating American treaties with Native nations. And we're supposed to feel bad that these bad things are being undone? Canada can bite itself if that's how they feel.
You are SO welcome but I must admit that I am a little jealous.
There are important parallels between the UK and the US. Trump is significantly worse than Johnson. Conversely one of the impacts of Johnson is Brexit which I think will be much more long-lasting than the effects of Trump and Trumpism (probably!).
So the USA begins to rebuild from Today. I should know better than to make predictions. However I can't help myself; I think Biden will be a great president. He will be more radical that many think - his choices of key appointments is not mere tokenism but shows (IMV) clear intent. He comes to power at a time when Covid-19 is rampant but he will follow the science and the vaccine roll-out has begun. He will govern with principles and has chosen a very strong Attorney General who I think will be fearlessr in pursuing the crimes of Trump and his cronies. This accountability must precede healing or the true healing will not happen. I also think that whilst many find Biden uninspiring, he's probably the right man for this moment when we desperately need to get back to the notion that leaders lying to their people is an aberration and not an hourly event.
On balance, and this is not jingoism or patriotism, but on balance as things stand, I think most ordinary people (like me) are better off in the UK. Our judicial system isn't perfect but the institutional racism of the US system(s) is much rarer here. Sensible gun-control laws and culture make mass shootings a once-in-2-decade event in the UK and healthcare, which is my great passion, despite the Tory assault remains world-class and free and the point of need.
So why am I jealous?
Because the rebuilding begins today - January 20th 2021. There's a lot of work to do and Trumpism is not yet defeated but at least it begins today.
In the UK; we have a long way further to fall before we can begin to start rebuild and repair all the damage that is still being done.
My fear is that too many people may be investing too much hope in Biden's ability (and desire) to make big changes. Like governments all over the world, his hands are going to be severely tied by the massive amount of national debt arising from COVID, as well as the associated huge downturn in the economy that will take years to resolve.
And if the Democrats lose control of the Senate, we're back to the time of Obama, when a Republican controlled senate blocked huge amounts of initiatives.
And also, the blunt reality is that Biden's track record suggests that he will be nothing like the ground-breaking president that some people seem to be expecting.
I'm glad Trump is gone. I will be relieved once today is over without major incident. But I am not sure Biden can bear the weight of all the expectations being thrust upon him. I would love to be proved wrong.
My fear is that too many people may be investing too much hope in Biden's ability (and desire) to make big changes. Like governments all over the world, his hands are going to be severely tied by the massive amount of national debt arising from COVID, as well as the associated huge downturn in the economy that will take years to resolve.
And if the Democrats lose control of the Senate, we're back to the time of Obama, when a Republican controlled senate blocked huge amounts of initiatives.
And also, the blunt reality is that Biden's track record suggests that he will be nothing like the ground-breaking president that some people seem to be expecting.
I'm glad Trump is gone. I will be relieved once today is over without major incident. But I am not sure Biden can bear the weight of all the expectations being thrust upon him. I would love to be proved wrong.
The other thing is that Obama actually had a filbuster-proof 60-seat Senate majority for most of his first two years which Biden of course does not. I think Biden is going to have to play a long game to get anything done legislatively, and it's an open question whether enough of his supporters have the patience for this (as Yascha Mounk argued in a recent short piece in the Atlantic). We shall see what happens in two years.
I think there is probably a lot that Biden can do to repair the damage done by Trump, starting with the executive branch, but high-visibility legislative victories may be few and far between.
My fear is that too many people may be investing too much hope in Biden's ability (and desire) to make big changes.
My sense is that progressives are the tail that wags the Democratic dog. They are a minority that has been made more powerful due to the same gerrymandering that has lifted up white supremacists in the Republican party. I am not suggesting a moral equivalency here, just a magnification due to the political apartheid brought on by gerrymandering. I rather suspect that most Americans would be delighted with a lowering of ideological heat in politics.
We have a lot of problems that cry out for Keynesian responses right now, which may paper over the differences between the Democrats in the near-term. But I suspect that Democrats are going to face the same internal strife that Republicans did once the smoke settles.
I'd love to see a change in how we create Congressional districts that is less polarizing, but that is no more likely than getting rid of the antidemocratic nature of Senatorial representation or the adoption of true one-person-one-vote for POTUS. The peculiar institution is so thoroughly baked into our political system that I fear we will never be free of it.
The secret of dealing with national debt is (and always was) to get the economy to grow and then the debt takes care of itself...
In terms of expectations, I think the opposite is true. I think most Liberals have very low expectations but are just so glad to see the back of Trump. Let's be honest; 4 years of a mediocre president would be a VAST improvement. The reason I wrote what I did is coz I hold a different view.
Not totally convinced that Krugman is right about everything.
I don't doubt that there was substantial part of the Biden vote that was basically a vote for sanity and good governance, but if that were enough to put Biden over the top Hillary Clinton would have been president for the last four years.
Not totally convinced that Krugman is right about everything.
Indeed. I confess I am a big fan but on this point I could quote widely. The debt from Covid is only an issue if we have economic stagnation as well. This is equally true in the UK.
Not totally convinced that Krugman is right about everything.
I don't doubt that there was substantial part of the Biden vote that was basically a vote for sanity and good governance, but if that were enough to put Biden over the top Hillary Clinton would have been president for the last four years.
Hmmm. Agree up to the comma. After is short sighted hindsight. She actually had enough white working class support, but remember Jill Stein? She took critical votes from Clinton in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. Young, white, green leftists. Put Trump in power.
Not totally convinced that Krugman is right about everything.
I don't doubt that there was substantial part of the Biden vote that was basically a vote for sanity and good governance, but if that were enough to put Biden over the top Hillary Clinton would have been president for the last four years.
Hmmm. Agree up to the comma. After is short sighted hindsight. She actually had enough white working class support, but remember Jill Stein? She took critical votes from Clinton in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. Young, white, green leftists. Put Trump in power.
No, the people who voted for Trump put Trump in power. Stein voters are less responsible for Trump than the vast number of non-voters.
To the question of who is more progressive as president, Mr. Roosevelt (FDR) or Mr. Biden, I think Roosevelt lost that distinction when he signed the executive order that forced Japanese West Coast residents into "relocation camps" otherwise known as concentration camps.
Yes, but Mr Biden is not alone. Ms Harris has a lot of power, too, doesn't she?
Not really. The VP doesn't actually have much power, except so much as the President directs. The VP will have the casting vote in the Senate, which is something,
No, the people who voted for Trump put Trump in power. Stein voters are less responsible for Trump than the vast number of non-voters.
Stein voters are exactly as responsible for Trump as the vast number of non-voters. (At least, those Stein voters that live in a swing state. If your state is in contention, then voting for a third-party candidate and staying in bed are equivalent.)
Stein voters are exactly as responsible for Trump as the vast number of non-voters. (At least, those Stein voters that live in a swing state. If your state is in contention, then voting for a third-party candidate and staying in bed are equivalent.)
Not at all. Voting for a third-party candidate makes it clear what it would take to get your vote: staying in bed does not.
Stein voters are exactly as responsible for Trump as the vast number of non-voters. (At least, those Stein voters that live in a swing state. If your state is in contention, then voting for a third-party candidate and staying in bed are equivalent.)
Not at all. Voting for a third-party candidate makes it clear what it would take to get your vote: staying in bed does not.
Which doesn't matter in the slightest when it comes to assessing who has what responsibility for the vote ending up in a particular way.
I'll agree that voting green sends a message that you care about environmental issues, whereas staying in bed doesn't. But as a number of Brexit voters discovered, using your vote to "send a message" also has other consequences.
If your position is "I think green issues are important, and I don't care which of the major party candidates wins", then a green vote in a swing state perfectly encapsulates your opinion. And by voting "I don't care between the D and the R" you share the same responsibility as all the other people that said that they didn't care between the D and the R (by, for example, staying in bed).
Canadians were happy with the pipeline threatening American groundwater and violating American treaties with Native nations. And we're supposed to feel bad that these bad things are being undone? Canada can bite itself if that's how they feel.
We are upset that a president who will be heavily dependent on friends and allies of the US will act unilaterally to damage their interests without even talking to them.
Reminds me far too much of a previous, much hated US president, who was only interested in the US and cared not at all for the impact his actions would have on his supposed allies.
If you want to talk co-operation internationally, and claim that the US is going to try to take back its position, you have to be prepared to work with, not against, your allies. This action confirms, I'd guess, death to the idea of the US as the great leader...but then, most of us don't want the US to be the great leader, we'd rather have the US as a partner to work with.
Indeed. And a surprising number of notable westerners were counted in that category, including Eleanor Roosevelt who said that prisoners in the Soviet Union were "well-treated and had received the best of care".
Watching Arlington. All feels very sombre, but hopeful on the international stage. That stupid evil graceless bastard who shall remain nameless placed Cuba on the terrorism sponsor list just before the lynch mob were let loose. What a swine. That will take months to reverse. Ah well.
Not totally convinced that Krugman is right about everything.
I don't doubt that there was substantial part of the Biden vote that was basically a vote for sanity and good governance, but if that were enough to put Biden over the top Hillary Clinton would have been president for the last four years.
But Clinton didn't run at the end of 4 years of insanity and horrid governance. Context, as ever, is key.
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It's a complicated matter, and it's not at all clear that either side has a monopoly on truth or virtue.
The government of Alberta had wanted to tranship through the US because, well. it is cheaper than going over the Rockies or shipping east to the Great Lakes. They will just have to go back to the drawing board.
Ahh yes, using a axiomatic truth to slip through a lie.
This is nonsense both-sidism. They are not equal nor equivalent.
One does not need to see Biden has holy or Saint like to see that his administration is light years better than the wickedness of Trump and Trumpism.
Let's just look at this shall we:
Trump:
1. Welcomed and cooperated with Russian interference in the 2016 election
2. Boasted about committing sexual assault
3. Made fun of a disabled supporter
4. Incited violence against protesters at his rallies
5. Used dog whistle racist comments
6. Caged children separated from their families such that some 1500 probably can't be reunited with their families
7. Obstructed Justice- 7-10 times in the Mueller investigation
8. Dangled pardons to keep people from incriminating him
9. Called White supremacist murderers "good people"
9. Was rightfully impeached for trying to use withholding of aid money appropriated by Congress to bribe a foreign government to get dirt on a political rivalry
10. Has lied tens of thousands of times in his public statements
11. Has used the office of the presidency to funnel foreign and domestic business to Trump companies
12. Has via Twitter and other means insulted and threatened anyone who disagrees with him
13. Was again impeached for inciting a mob against the legislative branch of the US government.
That's just off the top of my head in a few minutes.
There is no comparison.
No side has a total monopoly of virtue or truth, of course but it's pretty darn close!!!!
AFZ
"Biden picks 1st transgender person for Senate-confirmed post" (AP, via Yahoo).
I fear you have misinterpreted @john holding here. The two sides in his post are not, I think, Trump and Biden/Harris - they are the pro- and anti- Keystone XL arguments.
The fact that Trump supported Keystone XL and Biden has said he will cancel it does not attribute all the faults of Trump, or the virtues of Biden, to the pro- or anti- Keystone XL case.
I'd agree that if you found yourself standing next to Donald Trump, you'd be right to be rather concerned about whether you were standing in the right place. But nevertheless, while I think the case for Biden vs Trump is clear, I don't think Keystone XL is quite so clear cut.
Oh OK.
Thanks.
My apologies.
Seems pretty clear cut to me. TransCanada TC Energy wants to transport some of the dirtiest fossil fuel on the planet from the blasted moonscape of Alberta over two major aquifers and some of the most valuable agricultural land in the world. Given that pipelines inevitably leak and fossil fuel companies inevitably lie about those leaks, I'm not seeing the upside for anyone other that TransCanada's TC Energy's shareholders. I guess warming the planet a few more tenths of a degree in exchange for another ivory back scratcher seems like a good deal to some people.
For those who worry about "jobs" it should be noted that pipelines provide one of the lowest number of long-term jobs per dollar spent of just about any infrastructure project. Building literally anything else would be better for employment than a pipeline.
(I actually agree with you about Keystone XL - I just don't think it's anything like as clear cut as the question of whether Donald Trump has comparable virtue to Joe Biden. I suppose I see Keystone XL as something like a 90-10 split, and Trump vs Biden as something more than six sigma.)
(Just to be clear, I know precisely why he's doing this, and it's perfectly reasonable if your focus is on the US alone. But in that case, you cannot seriously pretend to be interested in international co-operation. ANd to be clear on another point, I actually am ambivalent about the pipeline -- it's just that many of the facts adduced on this by anti-pipeline folks may well have been true 10-15 years ago have been overtaken by actions and technology, so that the oil from the tarsands is no longer necessarily the environmental disaster it was in the past.)
Besides, the oil is not needed anymore with the development of renewable energy resources. To continue to exploit the oil sands would have only continued the increase of greenhouse gases. Environmentalists are saying with continued climate change, we will reach the tipping point in 20 to 30 years. I would rather want to see that later than sooner, if at all possible. Canada wants to be at zero emissions by 2050. The oil sands project would destroy that goal.
Let the rebuilding begin.
God Bless America.
AFZ
You are SO welcome but I must admit that I am a little jealous.
There are important parallels between the UK and the US. Trump is significantly worse than Johnson. Conversely one of the impacts of Johnson is Brexit which I think will be much more long-lasting than the effects of Trump and Trumpism (probably!).
So the USA begins to rebuild from Today. I should know better than to make predictions. However I can't help myself; I think Biden will be a great president. He will be more radical that many think - his choices of key appointments is not mere tokenism but shows (IMV) clear intent. He comes to power at a time when Covid-19 is rampant but he will follow the science and the vaccine roll-out has begun. He will govern with principles and has chosen a very strong Attorney General who I think will be fearlessr in pursuing the crimes of Trump and his cronies. This accountability must precede healing or the true healing will not happen. I also think that whilst many find Biden uninspiring, he's probably the right man for this moment when we desperately need to get back to the notion that leaders lying to their people is an aberration and not an hourly event.
On balance, and this is not jingoism or patriotism, but on balance as things stand, I think most ordinary people (like me) are better off in the UK. Our judicial system isn't perfect but the institutional racism of the US system(s) is much rarer here. Sensible gun-control laws and culture make mass shootings a once-in-2-decade event in the UK and healthcare, which is my great passion, despite the Tory assault remains world-class and free and the point of need.
So why am I jealous?
Because the rebuilding begins today - January 20th 2021. There's a lot of work to do and Trumpism is not yet defeated but at least it begins today.
In the UK; we have a long way further to fall before we can begin to start rebuild and repair all the damage that is still being done.
AFZ
God Bless America!
And if the Democrats lose control of the Senate, we're back to the time of Obama, when a Republican controlled senate blocked huge amounts of initiatives.
And also, the blunt reality is that Biden's track record suggests that he will be nothing like the ground-breaking president that some people seem to be expecting.
I'm glad Trump is gone. I will be relieved once today is over without major incident. But I am not sure Biden can bear the weight of all the expectations being thrust upon him. I would love to be proved wrong.
Anyway - God Bless America!
The other thing is that Obama actually had a filbuster-proof 60-seat Senate majority for most of his first two years which Biden of course does not. I think Biden is going to have to play a long game to get anything done legislatively, and it's an open question whether enough of his supporters have the patience for this (as Yascha Mounk argued in a recent short piece in the Atlantic). We shall see what happens in two years.
I think there is probably a lot that Biden can do to repair the damage done by Trump, starting with the executive branch, but high-visibility legislative victories may be few and far between.
My sense is that progressives are the tail that wags the Democratic dog. They are a minority that has been made more powerful due to the same gerrymandering that has lifted up white supremacists in the Republican party. I am not suggesting a moral equivalency here, just a magnification due to the political apartheid brought on by gerrymandering. I rather suspect that most Americans would be delighted with a lowering of ideological heat in politics.
We have a lot of problems that cry out for Keynesian responses right now, which may paper over the differences between the Democrats in the near-term. But I suspect that Democrats are going to face the same internal strife that Republicans did once the smoke settles.
I'd love to see a change in how we create Congressional districts that is less polarizing, but that is no more likely than getting rid of the antidemocratic nature of Senatorial representation or the adoption of true one-person-one-vote for POTUS. The peculiar institution is so thoroughly baked into our political system that I fear we will never be free of it.
You will hear this A LOT. Especially from Republicans who yesterday didn't care about the debt/deficit but not they suddenly do.
The thing is though, it's just not true:
Here's Nobel-Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman explaining why...
https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/1351515972960743428?s=19
The secret of dealing with national debt is (and always was) to get the economy to grow and then the debt takes care of itself...
In terms of expectations, I think the opposite is true. I think most Liberals have very low expectations but are just so glad to see the back of Trump. Let's be honest; 4 years of a mediocre president would be a VAST improvement. The reason I wrote what I did is coz I hold a different view.
AFZ
I don't doubt that there was substantial part of the Biden vote that was basically a vote for sanity and good governance, but if that were enough to put Biden over the top Hillary Clinton would have been president for the last four years.
Exactly. But he's made some bold choices with his key appointments.
Indeed. I confess I am a big fan but on this point I could quote widely. The debt from Covid is only an issue if we have economic stagnation as well. This is equally true in the UK.
Hmmm. Agree up to the comma. After is short sighted hindsight. She actually had enough white working class support, but remember Jill Stein? She took critical votes from Clinton in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. Young, white, green leftists. Put Trump in power.
No, the people who voted for Trump put Trump in power. Stein voters are less responsible for Trump than the vast number of non-voters.
Not really. The VP doesn't actually have much power, except so much as the President directs. The VP will have the casting vote in the Senate, which is something,
Stein voters are exactly as responsible for Trump as the vast number of non-voters. (At least, those Stein voters that live in a swing state. If your state is in contention, then voting for a third-party candidate and staying in bed are equivalent.)
Not at all. Voting for a third-party candidate makes it clear what it would take to get your vote: staying in bed does not.
Which doesn't matter in the slightest when it comes to assessing who has what responsibility for the vote ending up in a particular way.
I'll agree that voting green sends a message that you care about environmental issues, whereas staying in bed doesn't. But as a number of Brexit voters discovered, using your vote to "send a message" also has other consequences.
If your position is "I think green issues are important, and I don't care which of the major party candidates wins", then a green vote in a swing state perfectly encapsulates your opinion. And by voting "I don't care between the D and the R" you share the same responsibility as all the other people that said that they didn't care between the D and the R (by, for example, staying in bed).
<votives> for the new President and Vice-President, along with their families, and supporters.
Congratulations Mr President. The world feels lighter and more hopeful today.
Reminds me far too much of a previous, much hated US president, who was only interested in the US and cared not at all for the impact his actions would have on his supposed allies.
If you want to talk co-operation internationally, and claim that the US is going to try to take back its position, you have to be prepared to work with, not against, your allies. This action confirms, I'd guess, death to the idea of the US as the great leader...but then, most of us don't want the US to be the great leader, we'd rather have the US as a partner to work with.
Enquiring (if ignorant) minds need to know.
But Clinton didn't run at the end of 4 years of insanity and horrid governance. Context, as ever, is key.