The Prophecy of The Popes

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  • This is prediction number 112:
    In psecutione. extrema S.R.E. sedebit.

    You can find page number 111 of the second book of the Lignum Vitae on WIKI and there you will see the above prediction.
    Dave W wrote: »
    undead_rat wrote: »
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Such vague oracles can't be falsified.

    Sure they can. If the membership of the Catholic Church had increased or even stayed the same from 1914 to 1921 that would have disproven Wion's prophecy. Likewise for Aquila rapax, but the Pope's blessing of Napoleon and the eagle standards of his regiments prevented that.
    Nonsense. Nobody interpreted those prophecies that way before those events.

  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    mousethief wrote: »
    I signed up to ogle the Whore but my wife made me cancel.

    Prob'ly for the best. You wouldn't wanna end up in the cup.
  • I don't understand your point, Dave. In any case, an interpretation is here and now being made for prediction number 112 which applies to Pope Francis.
  • Dave WDave W Shipmate
    edited January 25
    The point is that your two examples of successful “predictions” use interpretations that were only made after the events supposedly predicted.
  • Dave W wrote: »
    undead_rat wrote: »
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Such vague oracles can't be falsified.

    Sure they can. If the membership of the Catholic Church had increased or even stayed the same from 1914 to 1921 that would have disproven Wion's prophecy. Likewise for Aquila rapax, but the Pope's blessing of Napoleon and the eagle standards of his regiments prevented that.
    <snip>
    Nonsense.

    Says it all, really.

    Who the hell cares, anyway? And why should we? The end of the Roman Catholic Church would not (I daresay) be the end of the world...

  • Martin54Martin54 Shipmate
    Dave W wrote: »
    undead_rat wrote: »
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Such vague oracles can't be falsified.

    Sure they can. If the membership of the Catholic Church had increased or even stayed the same from 1914 to 1921 that would have disproven Wion's prophecy. Likewise for Aquila rapax, but the Pope's blessing of Napoleon and the eagle standards of his regiments prevented that.
    <snip>
    Nonsense.

    Says it all, really.

    Who the hell cares, anyway? And why should we? The end of the Roman Catholic Church would not (I daresay) be the end of the world...

    Oh it would. The end of such an institution would be greater than the end of the Chinese Communist Party or the US Constitution.
  • Martin54Martin54 Shipmate
    undead_rat wrote: »
    This is prediction number 112:
    In psecutione. extrema S.R.E. sedebit.

    You can find page number 111 of the second book of the Lignum Vitae on WIKI and there you will see the above prediction.
    Dave W wrote: »
    undead_rat wrote: »
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Such vague oracles can't be falsified.

    Sure they can. If the membership of the Catholic Church had increased or even stayed the same from 1914 to 1921 that would have disproven Wion's prophecy. Likewise for Aquila rapax, but the Pope's blessing of Napoleon and the eagle standards of his regiments prevented that.
    Nonsense. Nobody interpreted those prophecies that way before those events.

    I'm not Dave.

    Link to your source or at the very least quote the ordinal and name references in it.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited January 25
    How so?

    Perhaps I should explain that I'm thinking of the end of the top end of the hierarchy of the RCC - the Pope, Cardinals, the Vatican, and what-not.

    That's what these goofy prophecies mostly seem to be about, as far as I can tell.

    The ordinary pew-fodder would carry on being pew-fodder, perhaps under different ecclesiastical hierarchies...
  • Martin54Martin54 Shipmate
    How so?

    Perhaps I should explain that I'm thinking of the end of the top end of the hierarchy of the RCC - the Pope, Cardinals, the Vatican, and what-not.

    That's what these goofy prophecies mostly seem to be about, as far as I can tell.

    The ordinary pew-fodder would carry on being pew-fodder, perhaps under different ecclesiastical hierarchies...

    If an institution of that inertia ended it could only be as the result of a global culture shattering event. The only possible impossible one being an alien communication. The only 'possible' one being a shallow Richter Magnitude 9+ earthquake under the Vatican or Son of Chicxulub on it. The only one that will happen is the next ice age maximum.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited January 25
    I applaud your use of the word inertia...

    *sings*

    Like a mighty Tortoise moves the Church of God;
    Brothers, we are treading where we've always trod!


    (With apologies to our many RCC Shipmates, but the lampoon applies to other churches too, of course).
  • undead_ratundead_rat Shipmate
    edited January 25
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Link to your source or at the very least quote the ordinal and name references in it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes#/media/File:Arnoldo_Wion_1595_Lignum_Vitae_p311.png

    Fixed broken links. BroJames, Purgatory Host
  • Martin54Martin54 Shipmate
    undead_rat wrote: »

    They don't work.

    This does.

    What of it?
  • Gee DGee D Shipmate
    Forthview wrote: »
    Thank you for the translation ,Martin 54
    Can you now translate the first bit which I didn't mention before ?
    Annuntio vobis gaudium magnum ! Habemus papam etc.
    Dave W wrote: »
    The point is that your two examples of successful “predictions” use interpretations that were only made after the events supposedly predicted.

    That is really the only manner and time to interpret "predictions" such as these. Much more chance of getting a match.
  • Martin54 wrote: »
    How so?

    Perhaps I should explain that I'm thinking of the end of the top end of the hierarchy of the RCC - the Pope, Cardinals, the Vatican, and what-not.

    That's what these goofy prophecies mostly seem to be about, as far as I can tell.

    The ordinary pew-fodder would carry on being pew-fodder, perhaps under different ecclesiastical hierarchies...

    If an institution of that inertia ended it could only be as the result of a global culture shattering event. The only possible impossible one being an alien communication. The only 'possible' one being a shallow Richter Magnitude 9+ earthquake under the Vatican or Son of Chicxulub on it. The only one that will happen is the next ice age maximum.

    I'm going to regret asking this but why would an alien communication end the RCC? Or an earthquake under the Vatican?
  • Dave WDave W Shipmate
    Gee D wrote: »
    Forthview wrote: »
    Thank you for the translation ,Martin 54
    Can you now translate the first bit which I didn't mention before ?
    Annuntio vobis gaudium magnum ! Habemus papam etc.
    Dave W wrote: »
    The point is that your two examples of successful “predictions” use interpretations that were only made after the events supposedly predicted.

    That is really the only manner and time to interpret "predictions" such as these. Much more chance of getting a match.

    Yeah, it’s always a lot easier to call your shots after they’ve happened. But then it’s not really a prediction, is it?
  • Dave W wrote: »
    Gee D wrote: »
    Forthview wrote: »
    Thank you for the translation ,Martin 54
    Can you now translate the first bit which I didn't mention before ?
    Annuntio vobis gaudium magnum ! Habemus papam etc.
    Dave W wrote: »
    The point is that your two examples of successful “predictions” use interpretations that were only made after the events supposedly predicted.

    That is really the only manner and time to interpret "predictions" such as these. Much more chance of getting a match.

    Yeah, it’s always a lot easier to call your shots after they’ve happened. But then it’s not really a prediction, is it?

    Interpretations of Nostradamus have this kind of flavour.
  • Thanks to Martin54 and BroJames for fixing my links. I have no idea as to what I did wrong. Sorry.

    I have noticed the critique that certain interpretations were made after the time that the prediction was for and, therefore, do not validate Wion's prophecies.
    But I was not seeking a validation, only the absence of falsification.

    The present prediction for Pope Francis is fairly explicit:
    He will reign in the final persecution. of the Holy Roman Church.

    I would ask the forum to note that a "persecution" would mean some negative act taken by an organization the holds to some contrary theology. In this case, ISIS could qualify as the persecuting agent, but so could Stalinist communism or Third Reich Nazism.
    Earthquakes and covid epidemics do not qualify as persecuting agents.
    I suppose aliens might, if you insist on going there.
  • Martin54Martin54 Shipmate
    edited January 25
    Martin54 wrote: »
    How so?

    Perhaps I should explain that I'm thinking of the end of the top end of the hierarchy of the RCC - the Pope, Cardinals, the Vatican, and what-not.

    That's what these goofy prophecies mostly seem to be about, as far as I can tell.

    The ordinary pew-fodder would carry on being pew-fodder, perhaps under different ecclesiastical hierarchies...

    If an institution of that inertia ended it could only be as the result of a global culture shattering event. The only possible impossible one being an alien communication. The only 'possible' one being a shallow Richter Magnitude 9+ earthquake under the Vatican or Son of Chicxulub on it. The only one that will happen is the next ice age maximum.

    I'm going to regret asking this but why would an alien communication end the RCC? Or an earthquake under the Vatican?

    Bugger, you've called my bluff. How would alien communication affect the RCC intelligentsia? It should finally blow the scandal of particularity to the weeds. But it probably wouldn't. OK, it wouldn't. Not that it can ever happen. Brilliance is no defence whatsoever against irrational beliefs, the 'sacred'. But the utter physical destruction of the Vatican and the one to ten million deaths associated with that in the accompanying annihilation of Rome would tend to snip the R off and bring about other societal changes on a global scale. None of which is the point.

    The RCC is going nowhere. Wherever and whenever you are you tend to be half way. So it's got another 1,000 years to go easily, along with Islam (which has more sticking power in the long run I imagine, because it does now). Therefore 10,000. These memes are highly evolved survivors like no other. I can imagine no social developments that could possibly threaten them, in fact they should grow stronger as the WEIRD nations demographically (and incidentally democratically) collapse and suck in hundreds of millions of Africans (80) and Hispanic Americans (20). Evangelicalism will even survive, fed from the South. India will be self sustaining, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia too. The future history of China, S. Korea, Japan is uncertain; they don't do immigration. Will Russia shrink back to Muscovy? There should be enough poverty and ignorance to go round until the next ice age maximum that the warming globe won't budge and the large religions and equivalent movements (the Chinese 'way') will all survive even that.

    See, you were right.
  • Don't forget about the coming global nuclear war.
  • I like "A Canticle for Leibowitz" in which the RCC survives global nuclear war
    twice
    and afterwards preserves secular learning for many centuries...
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    undead_rat wrote: »
    Don't forget about the coming global nuclear war.

    The one you've already tried to prove with verses that didn't suggest nuclear war to anyone else here?
  • Dave WDave W Shipmate
    undead_rat wrote: »
    Thanks to Martin54 and BroJames for fixing my links. I have no idea as to what I did wrong. Sorry.

    I have noticed the critique that certain interpretations were made after the time that the prediction was for and, therefore, do not validate Wion's prophecies.
    But I was not seeking a validation, only the absence of falsification.
    You can’t claim they’re falsifiable predictions if you get to choose the interpretation after the fact.
    The present prediction for Pope Francis is fairly explicit:
    He will reign in the final persecution. of the Holy Roman Church.

    I would ask the forum to note that a "persecution" would mean some negative act taken by an organization the holds to some contrary theology. In this case, ISIS could qualify as the persecuting agent, but so could Stalinist communism or Third Reich Nazism.
    Earthquakes and covid epidemics do not qualify as persecuting agents.
    I suppose aliens might, if you insist on going there.
    Is the Catholic Church being persecuted now?
  • Martin54Martin54 Shipmate
    edited January 26
    I like "A Canticle for Leibowitz" in which the RCC survives global nuclear war
    twice
    and afterwards preserves secular learning for many centuries...

    The best single work of science fiction. Among others. It was on my mind behind my reply.
  • Martin54Martin54 Shipmate
    undead_rat wrote: »
    Don't forget about the coming global nuclear war.

    Which one?
  • I like "A Canticle for Leibowitz" in which the RCC survives global nuclear war
    twice
    and afterwards preserves secular learning for many centuries...

    Certainly that was true for the Caliphate during the middle ages.
  • KarlLB wrote: »
    undead_rat wrote: »
    Don't forget about the coming global nuclear war.

    The one you've already tried to prove with verses that didn't suggest nuclear war to anyone else here?

    Yeah, that one. . . .
  • Dave W wrote: »
    Is the Catholic Church being persecuted now?
    No. The coming persecution will be violent.
    (See the alleged visions of Pope Pius X in the Hell forum.)
  • Martin54Martin54 Shipmate
    undead_rat wrote: »
    Dave W wrote: »
    Is the Catholic Church being persecuted now?
    No. The coming persecution will be violent.
    (See the alleged visions of Pope Pius X in the Hell forum.)

    Coming when? Where? How? By whom? There are no signs of it whatsoever in Italian let alone European or Anglosphere or Hispanic territory. It's nasty but insignificant elsewhere. What do the Italian security services say about this?
  • Well, it depends on what is meant by persecution.

    As has been said here before, the word could be loosely used by the hierarchy to describe the way in which the Church and its ministers are being actively pursued (or harried?) by the law (in several countries) in respect of child abuse...

    IMHO that would be a wrong interpretation, so it's just a thought.

    (BTW - the Pius X thread has been dormant for a week, so I doubt if anyone's inclined to go back there and sift through it).

  • orfeoorfeo Shipmate
    The difference between this and QAnon is one is a bit older and uses a little more religious language.
  • Hmm. An interesting thought...
    :flushed:
  • Islamic State remnants that infiltrated European Muslim communities and refugee camps with support from Iran.
  • <citation needed>
  • From me?
  • Martin54Martin54 Shipmate
    edited January 26
    undead_rat wrote: »
    Islamic State remnants that infiltrated European Muslim communities and refugee camps with support from Iran.

    And that's all your 5Is sources know? They don't know which communities? The Moria Refugee Camp on the Greek island of Lesvos is the largest by far, with 20,000 people. And the 5Is and NATO and Greek security services can do nothing about the massively powerful military build up in that camp? The last Arab attack on Rome was 1,172 years ago and like the one the previous year failed. But this one will succeed. Nothing can be done to stop them and/or the now 1.4 million Italian Muslims who've been there for 1,200 years rising up an destroying the Vatican. Or will it just be one woman - from Brick Lane - with a dirty bomb? How is that being sourced? Why is the West powerless to do anything about this known threat?

    Hang on, if they're going to persecute the RCC from Rome on out, they must be about to conquer Italy at least. All of Catholic Europe. France, Poland, Ireland, Spain, Portugal etc. And nothing can be done. Wow.
  • We will see, Martin. Let's hope that you are right.
    BTW, thanks for the background info. You seem to know something about the refugee situation.

    I don't see any threat from Muslim communities, but those communities provides a sea for the ISIS fish to swim in. That organization has made many threats against the Catholic Church and the Vatican. Iran may have grown more willing to provide weapons to ISIS after the murder of its top general by the USA.

    And sorry that I can't quote a source. When it comes to the papal prophecies, the rat is the 21st century source.
  • Martin54Martin54 Shipmate
    undead_rat wrote: »
    We will see, Martin. Let's hope that you are right.
    BTW, thanks for the background info. You seem to know something about the refugee situation.

    I don't see any threat from Muslim communities, but those communities provides a sea for the ISIS fish to swim in. That organization has made many threats against the Catholic Church and the Vatican. Iran may have grown more willing to provide weapons to ISIS after the murder of its top general by the USA.

    And sorry that I can't quote a source. When it comes to the papal prophecies, the rat is the 21st century source.

    We'll see what? What are your sources? Or can't you say? There is this enormous, imminent threat to European civilization and beyond that all Western security services are fully aware of and helpless to prevent but have a total news blackout on. It sounds more like an alien incursion to me. Or Deep Impact.
  • <citation needed>
    undead_rat wrote: »
    From me?

    Provided by you, to back up your increasingly nonsensical Tosh.

  • Martin54Martin54 Shipmate
    <citation needed>
    undead_rat wrote: »
    From me?

    Provided by you, to back up your increasingly nonsensical Tosh.

    He can say no more, he's Deep Throat on this.
  • Point taken!
    :wink:
  • <citation needed>
    undead_rat wrote: »
    From me?

    Provided by you, to back up your increasingly nonsensical Tosh.

    I wouldn't say it's increasingly nonsensical, it's the same nonsense regurgitated. The fever dream of Iran supporting da'esh has already been addressed, for example.
  • Again, point taken.
    :wink:

    All is Tosh, though - all is Tosh.
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    I don't see any threat from Muslim communities

    That's good
    but those communities provides a sea for the ISIS fish to swim in.

    Oh, that's a shame. "I don't see" meant "I do see".
  • Martin54Martin54 Shipmate
    edited January 26
    Again, point taken.
    :wink:

    All is Tosh, though - all is Tosh.

    No, no, no, no, no. You don't understand! It's not just that his life would be forfeit after days of obscene torture, he's the ONLY hope we have, he's the man on the inside, don't you realise!? If he reveals too much now, they'll identify and kill him or worse and we won't get any more information that could enable us, at the least, to defeat them after they take over Europe and beyond. We have to know abject defeat before we can know the possibility of impossible victory, that's the best story arc. I mean anyone can prevent the dirty bomb in St. Peter's Square, look at the excellent Peacemaker. And only One person can intervene to give us the victory when all hope is lost... My money is on @undead_rat being the two witnesses!
  • Is that why he has a _ between the two parts of his name?

    Wow.
    :open_mouth:
  • Martin54Martin54 Shipmate
    Is that why he has a _ between the two parts of his name?

    Wow.
    :open_mouth:

    NOW you're getting it!
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited January 26
    Cool...
    :mrgreen:

    Does this mean the End Times are actually here ? I'd better nip out for peanuts while I can...
  • Martin54Martin54 Shipmate
    Aye, I'm off for gnocchi and frozen broccoli down Tesco. In me boots. Am I taking this seriously enough? Well, there's nothing we can do really is there?
  • Indeed not. Best stock up on peanuts, though (making sure they're Happy British Peanuts, of course!).
    :wink:
  • Is that why he has a _ between the two parts of his name?

    Wow.
    :open_mouth:

    Hey, I’ve got two of them!

    In my case it dates back to programming in a language where spaces were not allowed in variable names - I kind of got into the habit when naming things on a computer, including, it seems, myself.
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