Isaiah 66:15-16 For see how YHWH comes in fire,
His chariots like the tempest,
to assuage His anger with burning,
His threats with the brilliant fire.
For by fire will YHWH execute judgement,
and by His sword against all mankind.
The victims of YHWH will be many.
When will that happen, and upon what basis do you reach your conclusion. Incidentally, I notice that your reference to Isaiah starts with 66 and concludes with a third 6!!!!!
I’m afraid, @undead_rat, that you’re still side-stepping the question. Why do you think the prophecy as a whole is reliable to start with? Regardless of what happens with number 112, why do you think we should pay the prophecy as a whole any more attention than we’d pay the fortune in a fortune cookie?
If you don't find knowing that Judgement Day will occur under the next Pope after Francis has any value, then I really don't know what else to say.
And you still haven’t offered any reason why you think the Prophecy is the Popes is reliable. You just start with the assumption that it is.
And you still haven’t offered any reason why you think the Prophecy is the Popes is reliable. You just start with the assumption that it is.
All that I am saying is that this list of predictions has not been falsified and that, somehow, it escaped the clutches of the Roman Inquisition.
The fulfillment (or not) of the ominous prediction for the papacy of Francis will be the deal maker (or breaker.) Keep your eye on Vatican City.
The transparency of the duplicity was obvious to the Roman Catholic intelligentsia of the time. Conspiracist ideation is correlated with religiosity as a by-product of the evolution of human psychology. It didn't matter much before the the neolithic. It's getting far worse now with the internet. People are desperate for significance in their general ignorance.
What if something happened that triggered the end of the Roman Catholic Church as we know it :
--massive earthquake in Rome;
--a huge wave of RC clergy and enablers all over the world rightfully convicted of sexual abuse and sent to prison or psych facilities, with severe criminal and civil penalties (like asset forfeiture) for the hierarchy and the RCC itself if anything happens ever again;
--very few new priests;
--etc.?
And *then* the RCC were rebuilt, restructured, rehabilitated, healed?
Maybe the new form wouldn't have a pope.
So, in this "what if", there could be a last pope and an end to the RCC as it currently is...and it still wouldn't be the end of the world, nor the final end of the RCC.
If you don't find knowing that Judgement Day will occur under the next Pope after Francis has any value, then I really don't know what else to say.
Thought-experiment:
Suppose that five years ago, your studies revealed advanced warning of the present pandemic. Other than knowing that it was definitely coming and that you, along with other ordinary people will be powerless to stop it, what would you DO with that knowledge?
Okay, you share that knowledge with as many people as possible so that now we all know what’s coming.
The point is that apart from that, you have nothing to offer. Nothing. No cure, no alternative. “Look! See, it is written! Nothing can stop it!”
You may claim that the role of the prophet is not to provide comfort, but the cold, clinical truth, well unfortunately God has moved on. The whole Old Testament lone visionary crying-in-the-wilderness thing went out with John the Baptist. The role model is Jesus living and eating and sharing life with others. Prophets are integrated into the life of a congregation now and their pronouncements are subject to testing by others. And the first test is timing.
Nothing you have written offers encouragement or hope or promise or life or salvation in this hour of need. All you have to offer is cross-referencing and pain and death.
What if something happened that triggered the end of the Roman Catholic Church as we know it :
The prediction for Pope Francis specifies a "persecution." That means an attack by an organization which holds an opposing theology, just as when early Christians were imprisoned and murdered by the pagan leaders of the Roman Empire. A natural disaster which would have a severe negative effect on the Catholic Church would not qualify. If the European nations went communist or installed Islamic governments and then decided to eliminate Catholicism, that would be a persecution. But so would an attack by ISIS.
But, regardless, the prediction for Francis calls for some kind of persecution. If that is fulfilled during his papacy, I will view it as a confirmation of Wion's prophecy and will believe that the Pope who follows him will be the last Pope of the Catholic Church.
The prediction for Pope Francis specifies a "persecution."
But, regardless, the prediction for Francis calls for some kind of persecution. If that is fulfilled during his papacy, I will view it as a confirmation of Wion's prophecy and will believe that the Pope who follows him will be the last Pope of the Catholic Church.
In both instances of course, it's the prediction you say refers to Pope Francis. IIRC, his name is not mentioned.
In both instances of course, it's the prediction you say refers to Pope Francis. IIRC, his name is not mentioned.
It does not seem to be a matter of dispute that prediction number 112 applies to Pope Francis. Wion first mentioned his predictions at the papal election of 1590, and he specified that the motto of "Ex antiquatate Urbis" was to be for the pope to be elected at that conclave.
The line of subsequent popes and the predictions that applied to them is generally regarded to be a settled matter.
In both instances of course, it's the prediction you say refers to Pope Francis. IIRC, his name is not mentioned.
It does not seem to be a matter of dispute that prediction number 112 applies to Pope Francis. Wion first mentioned his predictions at the papal election of 1590, and he specified that the motto of "Ex antiquatate Urbis" was to be for the pope to be elected at that conclave.
The line of subsequent popes and the predictions that applied to them is generally regarded to be a settled matter.
The parts I've emphasised in bold, and italics, indicate to me that the matter is by no means decided! The words *seem* and *generally* stand out in particular.
Anyway, what proof do *we* have that Wion wasn't a certifiable fruitloop?
What if something happened that triggered the end of the Roman Catholic Church as we know it :
The prediction for Pope Francis specifies a "persecution." That means an attack by an organization which holds an opposing theology, just as when early Christians were imprisoned and murdered by the pagan leaders of the Roman Empire. A natural disaster which would have a severe negative effect on the Catholic Church would not qualify. If the European nations went communist or installed Islamic governments and then decided to eliminate Catholicism, that would be a persecution. But so would an attack by ISIS.
But, regardless, the prediction for Francis calls for some kind of persecution. If that is fulfilled during his papacy, I will view it as a confirmation of Wion's prophecy and will believe that the Pope who follows him will be the last Pope of the Catholic Church.
The transparency of the duplicity was obvious to the Roman Catholic intelligentsia of the time. Conspiracist ideation is correlated with religiosity as a by-product of the evolution of human psychology. It didn't matter much before the the neolithic. It's getting far worse now with the internet. People are desperate for significance in their general ignorance.
In both instances of course, it's the prediction you say refers to Pope Francis. IIRC, his name is not mentioned.
It does not seem to be a matter of dispute that prediction number 112 applies to Pope Francis. Wion first mentioned his predictions at the papal election of 1590, and he specified that the motto of "Ex antiquatate Urbis" was to be for the pope to be elected at that conclave.
The line of subsequent popes and the predictions that applied to them is generally regarded to be a settled matter.
The transparency of the duplicity was obvious to the Roman Catholic intelligentsia of the time. Conspiracist ideation is correlated with religiosity as a by-product of the evolution of human psychology. It didn't matter much before the the neolithic. It's getting far worse now with the internet. People are desperate for significance in their general ignorance.
*sigh* @undead_rat warns us solemnly *Keep your eye on Vatican City*.
Do you really think that, even in the idle hours of lockdown, we have nothing better to do?
Yes
The transparency of the duplicity was obvious to the Roman Catholic intelligentsia of the time. Conspiracist ideation is correlated with religiosity as a by-product of the evolution of human psychology. It didn't matter much before the the neolithic. It's getting far worse now with the internet. People are desperate for significance in their general ignorance.
And you still haven’t offered any reason why you think the Prophecy is the Popes is reliable. You just start with the assumption that it is.
All that I am saying is that this list of predictions has not been falsified and that, somehow, it escaped the clutches of the Roman Inquisition.
The fulfillment (or not) of the ominous prediction for the papacy of Francis will be the deal maker (or breaker.) Keep your eye on Vatican City.
The transparency of the duplicity was obvious to the Roman Catholic intelligentsia of the time. Conspiracist ideation is correlated with religiosity as a by-product of the evolution of human psychology. It didn't matter much before the the neolithic. It's getting far worse now with the internet. People are desperate for significance in their general ignorance.
My persuasion is the 21st century based on Wion's prophecy which says that the next Pope will be the last.
The transparency of the duplicity was obvious to the Roman Catholic intelligentsia of the time. Conspiracist ideation is correlated with religiosity as a by-product of the evolution of human psychology. It didn't matter much before the the neolithic. It's getting far worse now with the internet. People are desperate for significance in their general ignorance.
My persuasion is the 21st century based on Wion's prophecy which says that the next Pope will be the last.
The transparency of the duplicity was obvious to the Roman Catholic intelligentsia of the time. Conspiracist ideation is correlated with religiosity as a by-product of the evolution of human psychology. It didn't matter much before the the neolithic. It's getting far worse now with the internet. People are desperate for significance in their general ignorance.
Martin, you have posted that more than enough times. If you don’t have anything else to say then don’t post.
Wow. Eleven pages. I've been doing a desultory reading, admittedly skipping some pages, but did undead_rat ever give a reason that we would need to know all this? I have an RC friend who is similarly convinced that we are in the End Times because of some other RCs reading of Revelation and all the Bad Stuff going on in the world, no Prophecy of the Popes involved that I know of. The plan of her friends is to doom's day prep and to stay safe in order to be prayer warriors to support the Blessed Mother in defeating Satan. At least they have a plan, such as it is, with some kind of positive purpose.
Wow. Eleven pages. I've been doing a desultory reading, admittedly skipping some pages, but did undead_rat ever give a reason that we would need to know all this? I have an RC friend who is similarly convinced that we are in the End Times because of some other RCs reading of Revelation and all the Bad Stuff going on in the world, no Prophecy of the Popes involved that I know of. The plan of her friends is to doom's day prep and to stay safe in order to be prayer warriors to support the Blessed Mother in defeating Satan. At least they have a plan, such as it is, with some kind of positive purpose.
AFAICS, undead_rat has NOT given any reason whatsoever for us Hellbound Hereticks to know all this stuff.
He has no plan, unlike your RC friend, who at least is showing some sense (though one hopes she's mistaken!). It's not quite my scene, but staying safe, and supporting Our Lord's Blessed Mother is certainly a positive way of thinking.
My persuasion is the 21st century based on Wion's prophecy which says that the next Pope will be the last.
The transparency of the duplicity was obvious to the Roman Catholic intelligentsia of the time. Conspiracist ideation is correlated with religiosity as a by-product of the evolution of human psychology. It didn't matter much before the the neolithic. It's getting far worse now with the internet. People are desperate for significance in their general ignorance.
Martin, you have posted that more than enough times. If you don’t have anything else to say then don’t post.
In both instances of course, it's the prediction you say refers to Pope Francis. IIRC, his name is not mentioned.
It does not seem to be a matter of dispute that prediction number 112 applies to Pope Francis. Wion first mentioned his predictions at the papal election of 1590, and he specified that the motto of "Ex antiquatate Urbis" was to be for the pope to be elected at that conclave.
The line of subsequent popes and the predictions that applied to them is generally regarded to be a settled matter.
The parts I've emphasised in bold, and italics, indicate to me that the matter is by no means decided! The words *seem* and *generally* stand out in particular.
The Wikipedia article you linked provides no support for your assertions, but rather casts the same sort of doubts about them that all other posters here are expressing. In any event, what proof do *we* have that Wion wasn't a certifiable fruitloop? The author of the Wiki page says so, very politely of course, but that's the message.
In both instances of course, it's the prediction you say refers to Pope Francis. IIRC, his name is not mentioned.
It does not seem to be a matter of dispute that prediction number 112 applies to Pope Francis. Wion first mentioned his predictions at the papal election of 1590, and he specified that the motto of "Ex antiquatate Urbis" was to be for the pope to be elected at that conclave.
The line of subsequent popes and the predictions that applied to them is generally regarded to be a settled matter.
The parts I've emphasised in bold, and italics, indicate to me that the matter is by no means decided! The words *seem* and *generally* stand out in particular.
The Wikipedia article you linked provides no support for your assertions, but rather casts the same sort of doubts about them that all other posters here are expressing. In any event, what proof do *we* have that Wion wasn't a certifiable fruitloop? The author of the Wiki page says so, very politely of course, but that's the message.
In both instances of course, it's the prediction you say refers to Pope Francis. IIRC, his name is not mentioned.
It does not seem to be a matter of dispute that prediction number 112 applies to Pope Francis. Wion first mentioned his predictions at the papal election of 1590, and he specified that the motto of "Ex antiquatate Urbis" was to be for the pope to be elected at that conclave.
The line of subsequent popes and the predictions that applied to them is generally regarded to be a settled matter.
The parts I've emphasised in bold, and italics, indicate to me that the matter is by no means decided! The words *seem* and *generally* stand out in particular.
The Wikipedia article you linked provides no support for your assertions, but rather casts the same sort of doubts about them that all other posters here are expressing. In any event, what proof do *we* have that Wion wasn't a certifiable fruitloop? The author of the Wiki page says so, very politely of course, but that's the message.
Umm... just for the record, the link was provided by undead_rat, but it was indeed I who queried Fr Wion's sanity...
I have an RC friend who is similarly convinced that we are in the End Times because of some other RCs reading of Revelation and all the Bad Stuff going on in the world, no Prophecy of the Popes involved that I know of. The plan of her friends is to doom's day prep and to stay safe in order to be prayer warriors to support the Blessed Mother in defeating Satan. At least they have a plan, such as it is, with some kind of positive purpose.
As an RC, I have been tempted quite often during this thread to post that, in my experience, it is the non-Catholics who believe in the Prophecy of the Popes. I haven't met many Catholics who treat it with anything other than amusement.
But, as you point out, that doesn't mean there aren't RC who do project to the End Times. I suspect every faith has its contingent of Final-Dayers like your RC friend. My (Baptist) sister-in-law was convinced that the Year 2000 would be It. Because (to paraphrase a Dilbert comic strip) it was a Big Round Number: It's Big. And Round.
I have an RC friend who is similarly convinced that we are in the End Times because of some other RCs reading of Revelation and all the Bad Stuff going on in the world, no Prophecy of the Popes involved that I know of. The plan of her friends is to doom's day prep and to stay safe in order to be prayer warriors to support the Blessed Mother in defeating Satan. At least they have a plan, such as it is, with some kind of positive purpose.
As an RC, I have been tempted quite often during this thread to post that, in my experience, it is the non-Catholics who believe in the Prophecy of the Popes. I haven't met many Catholics who treat it with anything other than amusement.
But, as you point out, that doesn't mean there aren't RC who do project to the End Times. I suspect every faith has its contingent of Final-Dayers like your RC friend. My (Baptist) sister-in-law was convinced that the Year 2000 would be It. Because (to paraphrase a Dilbert comic strip) it was a Big Round Number: It's Big. And Round.
As an RC, I have been tempted quite often during this thread to post that, in my experience, it is the non-Catholics who believe in the Prophecy of the Popes. I haven't met many Catholics who treat it with anything other than amusement.
As a RC you might be interested to know that Pope Pius XII made a tacit endorsement of Wion's predictions. In 1942 Pius XII commissioned an autobiographical film to be made of his life. The name that he chose for this film was Pastor Angelicus.
As an RC, I have been tempted quite often during this thread to post that, in my experience, it is the non-Catholics who believe in the Prophecy of the Popes. I haven't met many Catholics who treat it with anything other than amusement.
As a RC you might be interested to know that Pope Pius XII made a tacit endorsement of Wion's predictions. In 1942 Pius XII commissioned an autobiographical film to be made of his life. The name that he chose for this film was Pastor Angelicus.
No, I am not interested at all.
First, a vanity project like an autobiographical film is hardly a sound foundation for anything. Second, even assuming he actually believed the prophecy and wasn't just using it as an advertising gimmick for the film, a pope is not infallible. Third, as others have pointed out in this thread although you refuse to engage on the topic: what difference does it make? Let's assume that the prophecy is absolutely 100% true and accurate and the end of the world beckons. So what? Am I going to change my life one bit? No. I am going to continue to contribute to charities that help the poor. I will continue to buy extra groceries to donate to my local food bank to feed the hungry. I will continue to shovel the snow off my elderly neighbors' sidewalk. In short: I will continue to be a Christian.
There is nothing that I can recall in the Bible that states: when the end times come, stop being a Christian. I am a Christian now, not believing in the prophecy. If I believed in it, I would still be a Christian and still act the same way. For me, the prophecy is utterly meaningless. It changes nothing.
But how about for you? You stated earlier that you are not a Catholic. But you seem to believe this prophecy and you attach great importance to Pope Francis and all popes. Is this perhaps God's call to you to become Catholic? Have you consider talking to a Catholic priest--not about the prophecy, but about becoming Catholic?
As an RC, I have been tempted quite often during this thread to post that, in my experience, it is the non-Catholics who believe in the Prophecy of the Popes. I haven't met many Catholics who treat it with anything other than amusement.
As a RC you might be interested to know that Pope Pius XII made a tacit endorsement of Wion's predictions. In 1942 Pius XII commissioned an autobiographical film to be made of his life. The name that he chose for this film was Pastor Angelicus.
I am prepared to put good money on the table and assert that Pius XII probably was not giving a moment's thought to Wion and his ravings at the time he chose that name.
I have an RC friend who is similarly convinced that we are in the End Times because of some other RCs reading of Revelation and all the Bad Stuff going on in the world, no Prophecy of the Popes involved that I know of. The plan of her friends is to doom's day prep and to stay safe in order to be prayer warriors to support the Blessed Mother in defeating Satan. At least they have a plan, such as it is, with some kind of positive purpose.
As an RC, I have been tempted quite often during this thread to post that, in my experience, it is the non-Catholics who believe in the Prophecy of the Popes. I haven't met many Catholics who treat it with anything other than amusement.
But, as you point out, that doesn't mean there aren't RC who do project to the End Times.
In my experience, Catholic preoccupation with predicting the end-times is confined largely to the Marian cults, especially, of course, the ones based around Fatima.
PLUS individual Catholics in North America, where religious identity tends to be more fluid, are known to get into it, sometimes taking their "information" straight from the protestant pre-mils, unfiltered through any Catholic interpretation. I think this probably accounts for Jack Van Impe's embrace of Marian prophecies in the last few years of his so-called ministry: he realized a lot of RCs had channel-surfed their way to his show, so decided to up his Catholic content to keep them hooked.
Stetson: "In my experience, Catholic preoccupation with predicting the end-times is confined largely to the Marian cults, especially, of course, the ones based around Fatima."
Yes, my friend is very devoted to Mary and is interested in the Fatima pronouncements and those said to originate in the Medjugorje appearances.
Yes,I would agree with that. I think, however ,that with Fatima it has become simply a place of Marian pilgrimage. The 'famous'? third Secret of Fatima has been revealed and the highest authorities of the RC Church have said that it is nothing disastrous. It may, or of course, may not refer to the attempted assassination of pope John Paul II on the feast day of our Lady of Fatima. The bullet which entered the pope's body is now 'safely' ensconced within the crown of Our Lady of Fatima.
Most apparitions are either discouraged by the authorities of the RC Church until such a time as they can be relatively harmlessly, but spiritually profitably incorporated into the devotional life of the Church and her Faithful.
Medjugorje is not at that stage yet and the local bishop is, as far as I know, very much against the devotion.
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When will that happen, and upon what basis do you reach your conclusion. Incidentally, I notice that your reference to Isaiah starts with 66 and concludes with a third 6!!!!!
My persuasion is the 21st century based on Wion's prophecy which says that the next Pope will be the last.
Indeed we do not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unusual_deaths
A death is always the end of the world for someone.
The fulfillment (or not) of the ominous prediction for the papacy of Francis will be the deal maker (or breaker.) Keep your eye on Vatican City.
@undead_rat warns us solemnly *Keep your eye on Vatican City*.
Do you really think that, even in the idle hours of lockdown, we have nothing better to do?
Yes
And yet, in all likelihood...
--massive earthquake in Rome;
--a huge wave of RC clergy and enablers all over the world rightfully convicted of sexual abuse and sent to prison or psych facilities, with severe criminal and civil penalties (like asset forfeiture) for the hierarchy and the RCC itself if anything happens ever again;
--very few new priests;
--etc.?
And *then* the RCC were rebuilt, restructured, rehabilitated, healed?
Maybe the new form wouldn't have a pope.
So, in this "what if", there could be a last pope and an end to the RCC as it currently is...and it still wouldn't be the end of the world, nor the final end of the RCC.
Just thinking aloud.
And this is a damn good point.
But, regardless, the prediction for Francis calls for some kind of persecution. If that is fulfilled during his papacy, I will view it as a confirmation of Wion's prophecy and will believe that the Pope who follows him will be the last Pope of the Catholic Church.
Talk to your doctor and see if NewScrotus might be right for you!
Bahahahaha!
In both instances of course, it's the prediction you say refers to Pope Francis. IIRC, his name is not mentioned.
It does not seem to be a matter of dispute that prediction number 112 applies to Pope Francis. Wion first mentioned his predictions at the papal election of 1590, and he specified that the motto of "Ex antiquatate Urbis" was to be for the pope to be elected at that conclave.
The line of subsequent popes and the predictions that applied to them is generally regarded to be a settled matter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes#/media/File:Arnoldo_Wion_1595_Lignum_Vitae_p311.png
The parts I've emphasised in bold, and italics, indicate to me that the matter is by no means decided! The words *seem* and *generally* stand out in particular.
Anyway, what proof do *we* have that Wion wasn't a certifiable fruitloop?
The transparency of the duplicity was obvious to the Roman Catholic intelligentsia of the time. Conspiracist ideation is correlated with religiosity as a by-product of the evolution of human psychology. It didn't matter much before the the neolithic. It's getting far worse now with the internet. People are desperate for significance in their general ignorance.
The transparency of the duplicity was obvious to the Roman Catholic intelligentsia of the time. Conspiracist ideation is correlated with religiosity as a by-product of the evolution of human psychology. It didn't matter much before the the neolithic. It's getting far worse now with the internet. People are desperate for significance in their general ignorance.
The transparency of the duplicity was obvious to the Roman Catholic intelligentsia of the time. Conspiracist ideation is correlated with religiosity as a by-product of the evolution of human psychology. It didn't matter much before the the neolithic. It's getting far worse now with the internet. People are desperate for significance in their general ignorance.
The transparency of the duplicity was obvious to the Roman Catholic intelligentsia of the time. Conspiracist ideation is correlated with religiosity as a by-product of the evolution of human psychology. It didn't matter much before the the neolithic. It's getting far worse now with the internet. People are desperate for significance in their general ignorance.
The transparency of the duplicity was obvious to the Roman Catholic intelligentsia of the time. Conspiracist ideation is correlated with religiosity as a by-product of the evolution of human psychology. It didn't matter much before the the neolithic. It's getting far worse now with the internet. People are desperate for significance in their general ignorance.
It's getting far worse now with the internet. People are desperate for significance in their general ignorance.
This is a true saying, and worthy of all people to be believed.
Aye, it's taken the role of the gutter press in making conspiracy theories acceptable. Cui bono?
Nutjobs who like to feel significant or important, even though they're not?
Martin, you have posted that more than enough times. If you don’t have anything else to say then don’t post.
BroJames, Purgatory Host
AFAICS, undead_rat has NOT given any reason whatsoever for us Hellbound Hereticks to know all this stuff.
He has no plan, unlike your RC friend, who at least is showing some sense (though one hopes she's mistaken!). It's not quite my scene, but staying safe, and supporting Our Lord's Blessed Mother is certainly a positive way of thinking.
This prophecy has not been falsified. Therefore it is true.
Sir.
Yeah, but who's making money out of them?
The Wikipedia article you linked provides no support for your assertions, but rather casts the same sort of doubts about them that all other posters here are expressing. In any event, what proof do *we* have that Wion wasn't a certifiable fruitloop? The author of the Wiki page says so, very politely of course, but that's the message.
Exactly, and that's the sort of territory that Wion worked in.
He wasn't a fruit loop. Just a lying partisan.
Umm... just for the record, the link was provided by undead_rat, but it was indeed I who queried Fr Wion's sanity...
But, as you point out, that doesn't mean there aren't RC who do project to the End Times. I suspect every faith has its contingent of Final-Dayers like your RC friend. My (Baptist) sister-in-law was convinced that the Year 2000 would be It. Because (to paraphrase a Dilbert comic strip) it was a Big Round Number: It's Big. And Round.
And I have heard through undocumented gossip that they have furniture in Yorkshire, so it MUST be true! It could happen any day now!!!!
But if that day does NOT come, that TOO will be a miracle!!!!
First, a vanity project like an autobiographical film is hardly a sound foundation for anything. Second, even assuming he actually believed the prophecy and wasn't just using it as an advertising gimmick for the film, a pope is not infallible. Third, as others have pointed out in this thread although you refuse to engage on the topic: what difference does it make? Let's assume that the prophecy is absolutely 100% true and accurate and the end of the world beckons. So what? Am I going to change my life one bit? No. I am going to continue to contribute to charities that help the poor. I will continue to buy extra groceries to donate to my local food bank to feed the hungry. I will continue to shovel the snow off my elderly neighbors' sidewalk. In short: I will continue to be a Christian.
There is nothing that I can recall in the Bible that states: when the end times come, stop being a Christian. I am a Christian now, not believing in the prophecy. If I believed in it, I would still be a Christian and still act the same way. For me, the prophecy is utterly meaningless. It changes nothing.
But how about for you? You stated earlier that you are not a Catholic. But you seem to believe this prophecy and you attach great importance to Pope Francis and all popes. Is this perhaps God's call to you to become Catholic? Have you consider talking to a Catholic priest--not about the prophecy, but about becoming Catholic?
I think we all, save undead-rat, join you join with you in that query.
I am prepared to put good money on the table and assert that Pius XII probably was not giving a moment's thought to Wion and his ravings at the time he chose that name.
In my experience, Catholic preoccupation with predicting the end-times is confined largely to the Marian cults, especially, of course, the ones based around Fatima.
PLUS individual Catholics in North America, where religious identity tends to be more fluid, are known to get into it, sometimes taking their "information" straight from the protestant pre-mils, unfiltered through any Catholic interpretation. I think this probably accounts for Jack Van Impe's embrace of Marian prophecies in the last few years of his so-called ministry: he realized a lot of RCs had channel-surfed their way to his show, so decided to up his Catholic content to keep them hooked.
No we don't. He was a corrupt political agent that's all. A worthy tradition going back to 'Daniel' at least.
Yes, my friend is very devoted to Mary and is interested in the Fatima pronouncements and those said to originate in the Medjugorje appearances.
Most apparitions are either discouraged by the authorities of the RC Church until such a time as they can be relatively harmlessly, but spiritually profitably incorporated into the devotional life of the Church and her Faithful.
Medjugorje is not at that stage yet and the local bishop is, as far as I know, very much against the devotion.