Yeshu ben Pantera
in Hell
I have problems with the name most commonly used for the Jewish Messiah which is "Jesus."
I am not sure whether I am praying or swearing when I say that name as it is so often used as a swear-word or expletive. (Then again, I could just be asking for some cheddar flavored snack crackers.) Aside from those issues, "Jesus" is a poor rendering of the Aramaic "Yeshua," which is commonly used by Jews who have accepted Him as Messiah.
Ancient Rabbis who opposed Yeshua referred to Him as Yeshu ben Pantera as a way of suggesting that His true father was a Roman Soldier named Pantera. The shortening of "Yeshua" to "Yeshu" was done to create an anacronym that meant: "May his name be forgotten."
In my opinion, if we use the name of "Jesus" for the Messiah, we have, in fact, forgotten His true name of "Yeshu," and the ancient Rabbis have achieved their aim.
I prefer "Yeshu" over "Yeshua" because some sources relate that "Yeshu" was the Galilean version of "Yehoshua." Adding "ben Pantera" as a suffix makes it clear to those ancient Rabbis who we are talking about and reminds them that we have not forgotten His name.
I know that some of you are put off by that suffix. I view "ben Pantera," --the son of the Panther-- to be a reference to YHWH, despite the fact that the Rabbis did not intend it that way.
I am not sure whether I am praying or swearing when I say that name as it is so often used as a swear-word or expletive. (Then again, I could just be asking for some cheddar flavored snack crackers.) Aside from those issues, "Jesus" is a poor rendering of the Aramaic "Yeshua," which is commonly used by Jews who have accepted Him as Messiah.
Ancient Rabbis who opposed Yeshua referred to Him as Yeshu ben Pantera as a way of suggesting that His true father was a Roman Soldier named Pantera. The shortening of "Yeshua" to "Yeshu" was done to create an anacronym that meant: "May his name be forgotten."
In my opinion, if we use the name of "Jesus" for the Messiah, we have, in fact, forgotten His true name of "Yeshu," and the ancient Rabbis have achieved their aim.
I prefer "Yeshu" over "Yeshua" because some sources relate that "Yeshu" was the Galilean version of "Yehoshua." Adding "ben Pantera" as a suffix makes it clear to those ancient Rabbis who we are talking about and reminds them that we have not forgotten His name.
I know that some of you are put off by that suffix. I view "ben Pantera," --the son of the Panther-- to be a reference to YHWH, despite the fact that the Rabbis did not intend it that way.
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According to every bible I have read, his name is Jesus
So you're honoring Jesus by referring to him as "May his name be forgotten, bastard son of a Roman soldier". Interesting!
The Messianic Jews are very keen on "Yeshua"
99% people who'd say "Yeshu" to me though would just be using the word, rather than the idea. Many would say "Jesus" (in English).
@undead_rat - virtually your entire output on this forum, bar some dribbling about boats and school buses, has been utter bullshit. It's right up there with Antivaxxers, YEC, QAnon, Covid 5G Bill Gates Nanabots conpiracists and every other form of complete and utter bollocks that pollutes the human psyche.
It's abundantly clear that no-one here thinks your poorly thought through credulous crap is anything other than, well, poorly thought through credulous crap.
Suggestion - take a leaf out of the book of other purveyors of baseless fuckwittery like Erich von Daniken and David Icke and so on and write a book or make YouTube videos for us to laugh at.
On second thoughts, don't, because credulous idiots out there might take notice of it. How about just shutting up?
Or developing some critical faculties?
That is when I am not calling him "You bastard rape child of a teenager".
AFF
Stable next door.
I like this one, he's funny. Can we keep him?
Yes, you can keep him, as long as you promise faithfully to look after him, feed him, clean his cage etc. etc..
Nevertheless, Jesus is what Jesus's name is in English. When speaking or writing in English, therefore, that is the name to use. Calling him a version of his name in another language whether koiné Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, Latin, Cree or whatever when writing or speaking in English is both ostentatious and wrong. It's the same as calling Vienna, Wien or Philip II of Spain, Felipe unless you are speaking or writing in German or Spanish.
I also recognise that as a Unitarian, you presumably do not believe he is the incarnate Son of God. However, I've never heard of Unitarians insisting on calling Jesus anything other than Jesus. I'm afraid from a Unitarian I'm not entirely persuaded by your claim that for you ben Pantera implies son of Hashem. That seems inconsistent with Unitarian beliefs.
Or calling John the Terrible "Ivan" or Charles the First "Charlemagne."
If he's a Unitarian in the sense of the word as used today by Unitarian Universalists in North America and the Unitarians And Free Christians in the UK, he could theoretically believe that Jesus is the "incarnate Son of God", and could even go so far as to call himself a Trinitarian. Because members of those denominations are not required to accept or reject any particular Christology.
But it would be rare for someone who believes to that degree in the divine nature of Jesus to be a member of a UU or UFCC church. And if they held the sort of exclusivist beliefs that normally follow from such a position, it would likely be very difficult for them to function in such a congregation.
Indeed, I found it somewhat surprising that he identified as Unitarian. Belief in the the unique divinity of Jesus is pretty rare among UUs, and belief in quasi-Catholic historical fortune telling even rarer, I should think.
But I don't think there'd anything about his beliefs that would a priori exclude him from UUism. As opposed to, say, if he claimed that Jesus only came to save white people and everyone else will burn in Hell, which I think would be a pretty clear violation of the Seven Principles.
I WILL say that if the rat is, in fact, Unitarian, I would doubt he's having much success in finding fellow congregants willing to pursue his preferred line of discussion.
You're more generous than I. I would presume it's just more crap.
Linky, for those who are mystified:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pumpkin
I hate to bring politics into this, but do yourself a favour and google "It's The Great Storm, Charlie Brown."
That's fabulous.
Enoch is wrong that there is some kind of rule about this- I have two biographies of Pompey, neither of which are entitled 'Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus' but my sole biography of Marcus Aurelius is not entitled 'Mark Aurey' and allusions to King Tut are a sure and certain sign of bogosity.
OTOH, he is entirely correct that referring to Jesus as Yeshu ben Panthera is ostentatious and wrong. I would refer to him as JC, but that runs the risk of large numbers of Corbynites claiming that one is taking the name of the Comic Messiah in vain.
Yeah, he really does a good job of capturing the feel and rythym of the original strip.
I'm sure I can find a Habitrail for you somewhere.
Or that they are pissed off with someone's shit and decided life's too short to express anything but complete exasperation.
Sure, but will Marvin feed him and clean out the cage? Or will we get stuck doing that?
Do you have anyone in particular in mind?
Or possibly you.
Well it was logically possible that the other one was you, but it wasn't.
Unless your sock puppet started this thread.
Not Guilty, m'Lud...
Very interesting, dear. Don't forget to put the bins out.
Who knew?
(And what about the Great Pumpkin? Much more sincere, I should have thought.)
So long as the food and vet bills are kept low and you pick up after him.
I believe the Irish Sea is the traditional location.
And how in the world do we remind or make anything clear to those ancient rabbis, who have been dead for quite some time?