Global Nuclear War

undead_ratundead_rat Shipmate
And as for you, Capernaum, , , ,You shall be thrown down to hell.

I started reading Jewish Scriptures in 1970 and noticed many dire predictions of some kind of world-wide disaster. I gradually came to the realization that these warnings were compatible with the conditions that would result from a nuclear war. Here are some quotations in that regard:

Psalm 9:15-16
The nations have sunk into a pit of their own making,
they are caught by the feet in the snare they set themselves.
YHWH has made Himself known, has given judgment,
He has trapped the wicked in the work of their own hands.

Seems like a description of the situation the nuclear armed nations find themselves in.
Their arsenals present a grave danger, but they cannot find a way to get rid of them.

Isaiah 2:19
Go into the hollows of the rocks,
into the caverns of the earth.
at the sight of the terror of YHWH,
at the brilliance of His majesty
when He arises
to make the earth quake.

Going deep underground is the only defense against a nuclear attack.
A nuclear explosion is "brilliant" and could indeed be described as "the terror of YHWH.

Jeremiah 25:32-33
See! The disaster spreads
from nation to nation,
a mighty tempest rises
from the far ends of the world.
Those slaughtered by YHWH that day will be scattered across the world from end to end.
No dirge will be raised for them; no one will gather them or bury them; they will satyliying on the surface like dung.

A global nuclear war begins with the minor nuclear powers and spreads "from nation to nation."
"A mighy tempest rising" is a good description of ICBMs being launched.
The dead cannot be gathered because of the latent radiation of the nuclear explosions.

. .. that day will be sprung on you suddenly, like a trap. For it will come down on every living man on the face of the earth.
r. Yehoshua b. Pantera
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  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    At this moment a nuclear war would be a welcome distraction from your tedious shite.
  • BoogieBoogie Shipmate
    edited February 5
    What is this bullshit?

    Posted troll-style to get a rise?

    :trollface:
  • The Hell Forum? That’s a maximum deflection on my Irony Meter.
  • BoogieBoogie Shipmate
    Bill_Noble wrote: »
    The Hell Forum? That’s a maximum deflection on my Irony Meter.

    Then you know nothing about the Ship.
  • Boogie wrote: »
    Bill_Noble wrote: »
    The Hell Forum? That’s a maximum deflection on my Irony Meter.

    Then you know nothing about the Ship.

    It seems to steam round and round in circles rather a lot. And I’m guessing this is the Poop Deck.

    Carry on. 😉
  • DafydDafyd Shipmate
    undead_rat wrote: »
    "A mighy tempest rising" is a good description of ICBMs being launched.
    It is a better description of the dust raised by the hooves of the Mongol riders led by Chinggis Khan. That is to say, it is broadly applicable, and any attempt to narrow it down to the Mongol invasion or doodlebugs or nuclear war is reading preexisting convictions or obsessions into it.

  • Or, the "mighty tempest" is exactly what it says and is a super storm that sweeps people away. In which case, the predicted coming calamity is global warming leading to massive climate change which will include increased frequency and severity of storms.
  • Now that seems far more likely.

    (Not that GNW isn't a possibility...).
  • Good golly Miss Molly! I've been watching these accumulating threads from the sidelines, and just need to pop in and out to say that I can't believe the amount of energy everyone is expending (but then again, I can't quite believe that I keep reading. Probably time to skip over certain threads).
  • "Tempest" is also mentioned in Isaiah 66:15: "Chariots like the tempest." Chariots are, of course, vehicles of war.
    66:16
    For by fire will YHWH execute judgement.

    Fire is a major an effect of a nuclear bomb, and it is also mentioned in Luke 12:49

    Alan, I don't think that your scenario leaves the dead scattered across the world from end to end with no one able to bury them.
  • Good golly Miss Molly! I've been watching these accumulating threads from the sidelines, and just need to pop in and out to say that I can't believe the amount of energy everyone is expending (but then again, I can't quite believe that I keep reading. Probably time to skip over certain threads).

    Ah well - in these days of lockdown/curfew or whatever, the Devil findeth evil for idle eyes to read...
    undead_rat wrote: »

    Alan, I don't think that your scenario leaves the dead scattered across the world from end to end with no one able to bury them.

    @undead_rat, I am not a doctor, or a psychiatrist, but this obsession with nuclear war and its effects is unhealthy, to say the least. Please seek help from professionals.

  • The 2005 Boxing Day tsunami did a pretty good job of scattering dead bodies, ao have any number of famines.
  • You don't even need to be thinking tsunami. A storm can easily be as devastating, the worst in recent history would be Bhola, with a death toll of half a million. If a storm kills half the population there are going to be a lot of unburied bodies. There have a dozen or so storms that have killed more than 100,000. As the climate continues to decline and storms get stronger then sooner or later the Bhola record will be broken.
  • A tempest is a wind. Treating the word any other way is another example of the problem we had on an earlier thread of drawing conclusions from an accident of vocabulary rather than from Scripture (or whatever other source one is perverting).
  • What really spooks me is the thought that undead_rat seems to be looking forward to unburied corpses being strewn across the world...

    I may be doing him a disservice by so thinking, in which case I apologise.
  • I have no idea why this thread is here in Hell. If the subject has any merit, it should be in Purgatory. If it doesn't, it should be closed.

    What did you want to discuss, @undead_rat ? If you can think of an actual OP that would fly in Purg, then repost it there. I can copy over any relevant posts from here at that point.

    DT
    HH
  • Doc Tor wrote: »
    What did you want to discuss, @undead_rat ? If you can think of an actual OP that would fly in Purg, then repost it there. I can copy over any relevant posts from here at that point.

    DT
    HH

    Yay. Here we go again.

  • @Bill_Noble - not helpful. When Host tags are on, the correct form is to read and inwardly digest. Queries and clarifications can be posted in Styx.

    DT
    HH
  • I apologise.
  • TelfordTelford Shipmate
    undead_rat wrote: »
    And as for you, Capernaum, , , ,You shall be thrown down to hell.

    I started reading Jewish Scriptures in 1970 and noticed many dire predictions of some kind of world-wide disaster. I gradually came to the realization that these warnings were compatible with the conditions that would result from a nuclear war. Here are some quotations in that regard:

    Psalm 9:15-16
    The nations have sunk into a pit of their own making,
    they are caught by the feet in the snare they set themselves.
    YHWH has made Himself known, has given judgment,
    He has trapped the wicked in the work of their own hands.

    Seems like a description of the situation the nuclear armed nations find themselves in.
    Their arsenals present a grave danger, but they cannot find a way to get rid of them.

    Isaiah 2:19
    Go into the hollows of the rocks,
    into the caverns of the earth.
    at the sight of the terror of YHWH,
    at the brilliance of His majesty
    when He arises
    to make the earth quake.

    Going deep underground is the only defense against a nuclear attack.
    A nuclear explosion is "brilliant" and could indeed be described as "the terror of YHWH.

    Jeremiah 25:32-33
    See! The disaster spreads
    from nation to nation,
    a mighty tempest rises
    from the far ends of the world.
    Those slaughtered by YHWH that day will be scattered across the world from end to end.
    No dirge will be raised for them; no one will gather them or bury them; they will satyliying on the surface like dung.

    A global nuclear war begins with the minor nuclear powers and spreads "from nation to nation."
    "A mighy tempest rising" is a good description of ICBMs being launched.
    The dead cannot be gathered because of the latent radiation of the nuclear explosions.

    . .. that day will be sprung on you suddenly, like a trap. For it will come down on every living man on the face of the earth.
    r. Yehoshua b. Pantera

    Do you have any suggestions as to how to avoid what appears to be a fait accompli ?
  • This isn't the first time that that question has been asked!

    One answer given on another thread (IIRC) seemed to be *show the authentic shroud thingy to the global nuclear powers*, though quite what that was meant to achieve, I couldn't say.
  • orfeoorfeo Shipmate
    Capernaum isn't representative of the end of the world. You're thinking of Megiddo.
  • It's clearly an asteroid strike, with secondary impacts. Anyone with half a brain cell can see that, surely.
  • Lamb ChoppedLamb Chopped Shipmate
    edited February 6
    While we're in Hell....

    undead_rat, why the fuck aren't you buying groceries for your neighbors, or listening to an old lady, or tutoring children over Zoom or doing something useful that advances the kingdom of God?

    Th' expense of spirit in a waste of air
    Art thou in posting; to make readers groan,
    Frustrated, ornery, all too quick to swear,
    When they behold illogic that is all thine own.
    Posts made no sooner than despisèd straight,
    Thy meaning hunted; and, no sooner had
    Past reason hated, as a swallowed bait
    On purpose laid to make the taker mad.
    All this the Ship well knows; yet none knows well
    To shun the poster who leads men to this Hell.
  • LC--

    Did you compose that poem? It's good, whoever did.
  • A Shakespeare sonnet, trimmed and repurposed.
  • Aha! Well done!
  • :-) It's one of the only good things about an annoying poster, that he rouses me to parody again.
  • LOL.
  • BoogieBoogie Shipmate
    edited February 6
    Excellent @Lamb Chopped

    Looks like @undead_rat is using Hell as a Circus. 🎪
  • Martin54Martin54 Shipmate
    Bill_Noble wrote: »
    Boogie wrote: »
    Bill_Noble wrote: »
    The Hell Forum? That’s a maximum deflection on my Irony Meter.

    Then you know nothing about the Ship.

    It seems to steam round and round in circles rather a lot. And I’m guessing this is the Poop Deck.

    Carry on. 😉

    Appropriate for tedious shite you mean?
  • Martin54Martin54 Shipmate
    orfeo wrote: »
    Capernaum isn't representative of the end of the world. You're thinking of Megiddo.

    He couldn't miss the point of Jesus' universalist discourse there further.
  • I bet he could if he tried. Isn't there some Auncient Boke, or Tome, somewhere that might help?
    :wink:
  • In ancient times they wrote on animal skin. In the absence of such skins, maybe the truth is written by magic marker on sheets of linen?
  • Magic marker!
    :open_mouth:

    Who knew?
  • Penny SPenny S Shipmate
    In the middle of the 6th century there was a lot of this sort of thing going on with massive volcanic eruptions, the global results of which fed into Norse mythology, and in that part of the world, where the people were unaware of the cause, there may well have been unburied corpses. These things happen. (Source, "Children of Ash and Elm", Neil Price, and others.)
  • Doc Tor wrote: »
    It's clearly an asteroid strike, with secondary impacts. Anyone with half a brain cell can see that, surely.

    That would be a natural disaster, something which can also be referred to as "An act of God." But in Genesis 8:21 YHWH promised that He would never again initiate a major world-wide disaster:
    Never again will I curse the earth because of man, because his heart contrives evil from his infancy. Never again will I strike down every living thing as I have done.

    Therefore, asteroid strikes, comet collisions, volcanic eruptions, etc. are eliminated from the possibility of being the cause of the disaster predicted by OT prophets.
    Only one possible cause remains: man will invent the means to wipe out life on earth.

    In Genesis 6:13 YHWH said:
    The end has come for all things of flesh; I have decided this because the earth is full of violence of man's making, and I will efface them from the earth.

    It seems that, after the Flood, YHWH decided to allow man's propensity towards violence to play out to its natural conclusion, and that conclusion is a global nuclear war.
    YHWH did send a Holy Teacher to instruct us in hopes that mankind would avoid such a horrible disaster, but to no avail. Mankind murdered that Teacher and went on its merry way of increasing violence culminating in the deployment of massive arsenals of ICBMs.

    We should all take into account the fact that our existence here on earth is not an end unto itself, but exists for YHWH's purpose. I believe that His purpose is to teach humans the necessity of following His holy laws: to love YHWH our god, and to love our neighbors.
    The coming global nuclear war will be mankind's ultimate lesson in that regard.
  • Telford wrote: »
    Do you have any suggestions as to how to avoid what appears to be a fait accompli ?
    I believe that there is a way out of the trap. The citizens of the USA must come to understand the terrible danger that their arsenals of nuclear weapons presents to both themselves and the world. Then they must elect leaders on the political platform of unilateral nuclear disarmament. Once that task is accomplished the USA will have to rely on the Russian nuclear umbrella for its protection against nuclear attack by rogue states.
    I would hope that, in cooperation with the USA, Russia could force all of minor nuclear players to undergo nuclear weapons disarmament.
  • TelfordTelford Shipmate
    undead_rat wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Do you have any suggestions as to how to avoid what appears to be a fait accompli ?
    I believe that there is a way out of the trap. The citizens of the USA must come to understand the terrible danger that their arsenals of nuclear weapons presents to both themselves and the world. Then they must elect leaders on the political platform of unilateral nuclear disarmament. Once that task is accomplished the USA will have to rely on the Russian nuclear umbrella for its protection against nuclear attack by rogue states.
    I would hope that, in cooperation with the USA, Russia could force all of minor nuclear players to undergo nuclear weapons disarmament.

    So basically you want to trust Russia to control the world
  • The alternative is to not have a world.
  • The alternative is not to believe wacky prophecies.
  • Telford wrote: »
    undead_rat wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Do you have any suggestions as to how to avoid what appears to be a fait accompli ?
    I believe that there is a way out of the trap. The citizens of the USA must come to understand the terrible danger that their arsenals of nuclear weapons presents to both themselves and the world. Then they must elect leaders on the political platform of unilateral nuclear disarmament. Once that task is accomplished the USA will have to rely on the Russian nuclear umbrella for its protection against nuclear attack by rogue states.
    I would hope that, in cooperation with the USA, Russia could force all of minor nuclear players to undergo nuclear weapons disarmament.

    So basically you want to trust Russia to control the world

    Vodka might become cheaper.
  • mousethief wrote: »
    The alternative is not to believe wacky prophecies.

    That is , indeed, what most of the world chooses to do.
  • undead_rat wrote: »
    mousethief wrote: »
    The alternative is not to believe wacky prophecies.

    That is , indeed, what most of the world chooses to do.
    As it should. Wacky interpretations of Scripture should be ignored.

  • SpikeSpike Admin Emeritus
    Magic marker!
    :open_mouth:

    Who knew?

    Ah, it all makes sense. That explains the mystery of the Turin shroud.
  • <Carlos Santana>

    Got a black Magic Marker

    </Carlos Santana>
  • I suppose, at the very least, that this (and several other threads) show the grave peril of not doing theology in community. No respected voice to lead us to one side and say quietly, "Sorry, that's just batshit crazy, brother."
  • DavidDavid Shipmate
    mousethief wrote: »
    <Carlos Santana>

    Got a black Magic Marker

    </Carlos Santana>

    It was actually the extraordinary Peter Green's song, with Fleetwood Mac when they were a proper band.

    But that notwithstanding, did your Black Magic Marker make a devil out of you?

    You might be on to something here, mousethief. Maybe a sinister lady drew a picture of Old Nick on a shroud with a Magic Marker pen. With her left hand, naturally. Has anyone tested for that?
  • It is a Peter Green song but Santana covered it. Very very well.
  • orfeoorfeo Shipmate
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    undead_rat wrote: »
    mousethief wrote: »
    The alternative is not to believe wacky prophecies.

    That is , indeed, what most of the world chooses to do.
    As it should. Wacky interpretations of Scripture should be ignored.

    He really walked into that one, didn't he?
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