Global Nuclear War

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  • BoogieBoogie Shipmate
    To be honest I prefer wacky and positive to someone hoping for nuclear war! 😵
  • Martin54Martin54 Shipmate
    edited February 11
    Golden Key wrote: »
    Martin--
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Golden Key wrote: »
    Well, if Islamic terrorists were to attack the Vatican, it would probably still be about the Crusades. Deep wound back then to Muslims, non-Catholic Christians, and anyone else in the area. Not sure how much it's ever healed.

    Aye. We ate them.

    Not literally, I hope?

    Yep. Siege of Ma'arra. They NEVER forget.
  • Linky:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Ma%27arra

    Not exactly an edifying tale...
  • Martin--

    Gaaaa. Yikes. :votive:
  • mousethief wrote: »
    <Carlos Santana>

    Got a black Magic Marker

    </Carlos Santana>

    Bwahahahahaha! God broke the mold, She did, when you were created! Just brilliant, my dear.
  • Is it just me or do others detect an almost giddy glee in undead rat's nearly continuous wet dream about total global nuclear war? I'm trying not to picture his heavy breathing and other physical manifestations (infestations?) as he lovingly runs his fingers over the fake gilt page edges of the Book of Revelation. The wild gleam in his beady little eyes as his fevered brain contemplates all the bullies who ever sneered at him or gave him wedgies in the boy's locker room having the flesh boiled off their skeletons...

    Oh, dear. I probably just started "total annihilation porn". I'll want my share of royalties, after taxes.
  • My very limited intellect does not comprehend the Book of Revelation and, therefore, does not touch it with even a ten foot pole.
  • TheFifthMary--

    FYI: you didn't invent that genre/attitude. Been around for a lonnnggg time.
  • undead_rat--

    IMHO, don't worry about it. A lot of people lose their way in Revelation, and never quite get back out.
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    The5thMary wrote: »
    Is it just me ...

    Nope!
  • Double nope.
  • orfeoorfeo Shipmate
    undead_rat wrote: »
    My very limited intellect does not comprehend the Book of Revelation and, therefore, does not touch it with even a ten foot pole.

    So you ignore the canonical end of the world stuff and head for the non-canonical end of the world stuff instead. Genius.
  • The5thMary wrote: »
    Is it just me or do others detect an almost giddy glee in undead rat's nearly continuous wet dream about total global nuclear war? I'm trying not to picture his heavy breathing and other physical manifestations (infestations?) as he lovingly runs his fingers over the fake gilt page edges of the Book of Revelation. The wild gleam in his beady little eyes as his fevered brain contemplates all the bullies who ever sneered at him or gave him wedgies in the boy's locker room having the flesh boiled off their skeletons...

    Oh, dear. I probably just started "total annihilation porn". I'll want my share of royalties, after taxes.

    That whole thing reminds me of the t-shirt I most regret not buying. It bore a picture of three fat rats looking at a copy of Camus' La Peste, and pissing themselves laughing.
  • The5thMary wrote: »
    Is it just me or do others detect an almost giddy glee in undead rat's nearly continuous wet dream about total global nuclear war? I'm trying not to picture his heavy breathing and other physical manifestations (infestations?) as he lovingly runs his fingers over the fake gilt page edges of the Book of Revelation. The wild gleam in his beady little eyes as his fevered brain contemplates all the bullies who ever sneered at him or gave him wedgies in the boy's locker room having the flesh boiled off their skeletons...

    Oh, dear. I probably just started "total annihilation porn". I'll want my share of royalties, after taxes.

    Triple (or possibly quadruple) nope.

    Creepier than the creepiest thing ever produced at the Creepy Thing factory in Creepytown.
  • Oh, the internet is way ahead of you.
  • DafydDafyd Shipmate
    If Erin were still alive and with us would she conclude that shithouse rats are crazier when undead?
  • That would be an ecumenical matter.
    :wink:
    Doc Tor wrote: »
    Oh, the internet is way ahead of you.

    So it is. I had forgot about Rule 34...
  • Martin54 wrote: »
    undead_rat wrote: »
    I have a NYT article from March, 2019, which is titled:
    The Islamic State Is Not Defeated.
    Here are some quotes:
    "More than 40,000 foreigners traveled to the territory of the Islamic State, and most are missing.
    "The Islamic State is like herpes: It can be managed but never cured. . . .
    It will break out again."

    When ISIS's capital, Raqqa, was captured, its thousands of ISIS soldiers were not made to surrender. Instead they drove off in convoy to places unknown. If substantial numbers have entered Europe, they could present a great danger to the Catholic hierarchy. ISIS has made threats against the Vatican, saying that Muslims will be praying there instead of Christians.

    How does it precipitate Global Nuclear War™?

    Sorry, I became confused (it happens easily) and posted about ISIS on the wrong thread.
    It was supposed to go to the Alleged Visions of Pius X thread. Thanks for noticing.
  • orfeo wrote: »
    undead_rat wrote: »
    My very limited intellect does not comprehend the Book of Revelation and, therefore, does not touch it with even a ten foot pole.

    So you ignore the canonical end of the world stuff and head for the non-canonical end of the world stuff instead. Genius.

    I thought that I was being "canonical" with Luke 12:49, Jeremiah 25:32-33, Isaiah 2:19,
    Genesis 8:21, Psalm 9:15-16, etc.

    One effect of a nuclear burst is that its infrared heat will be traveling at the speed of light, but the shock wave is limited to the speed of sound. A common 400 kt nuclear bomb is about 200 times the size of the device that destroyed Hiroshima. Its heat radiation would be felt miles away and would vaporize human flesh at a great distance many seconds before the shock wave arrived. Perhaps this passage from Zechariah could be seen as a description of such an effect:
    . . .their flesh will molder while they are still standing on their feet; their eyes will rot in their sockets; their tongues will rot in their mouths.

    Then we have Luke 17:26-27 describing how the world will be oblivious to the danger right up to the disaster just as in Noah's day. In that ancient time, society could observe Noah building his Ark for many years, but they paid no attention and perhaps even mocked him.
    In our present time, the danger stares us in the face, but we have become complacent and oblivious even while our own military continues to work out scenarios of nuclear war.
  • undead_rat wrote: »
    One effect of a nuclear burst is that its infrared heat will be traveling at the speed of light, but the shock wave is limited to the speed of sound. A common 400 kt nuclear bomb is about 200 times the size of the device that destroyed Hiroshima. Its heat radiation would be felt miles away and would vaporize human flesh at a great distance many seconds before the shock wave arrived.
    Wrong.
  • undead_rat wrote: »
    orfeo wrote: »
    undead_rat wrote: »
    My very limited intellect does not comprehend the Book of Revelation and, therefore, does not touch it with even a ten foot pole.

    So you ignore the canonical end of the world stuff and head for the non-canonical end of the world stuff instead. Genius.

    I thought that I was being "canonical" with Luke 12:49, Jeremiah 25:32-33, Isaiah 2:19,
    Genesis 8:21, Psalm 9:15-16, etc.

    One effect of a nuclear burst is that its infrared heat will be traveling at the speed of light, but the shock wave is limited to the speed of sound. A common 400 kt nuclear bomb is about 200 times the size of the device that destroyed Hiroshima. Its heat radiation would be felt miles away and would vaporize human flesh at a great distance many seconds before the shock wave arrived. Perhaps this passage from Zechariah could be seen as a description of such an effect:
    . . .their flesh will molder while they are still standing on their feet; their eyes will rot in their sockets; their tongues will rot in their mouths.

    Then we have Luke 17:26-27 describing how the world will be oblivious to the danger right up to the disaster just as in Noah's day. In that ancient time, society could observe Noah building his Ark for many years, but they paid no attention and perhaps even mocked him.
    In our present time, the danger stares us in the face, but we have become complacent and oblivious even while our own military continues to work out scenarios of nuclear war.

    You believe that Noah was an actual person? And that the Ark actually existed?
    :open_mouth:
  • undead_rat wrote: »
    Martin54 wrote: »
    undead_rat wrote: »
    I have a NYT article from March, 2019, which is titled:
    The Islamic State Is Not Defeated.
    Here are some quotes:
    "More than 40,000 foreigners traveled to the territory of the Islamic State, and most are missing.
    "The Islamic State is like herpes: It can be managed but never cured. . . .
    It will break out again."

    When ISIS's capital, Raqqa, was captured, its thousands of ISIS soldiers were not made to surrender. Instead they drove off in convoy to places unknown. If substantial numbers have entered Europe, they could present a great danger to the Catholic hierarchy. ISIS has made threats against the Vatican, saying that Muslims will be praying there instead of Christians.

    How does it precipitate Global Nuclear War™?

    Sorry, I became confused (it happens easily) and posted about ISIS on the wrong thread.
    It was supposed to go to the Alleged Visions of Pius X thread. Thanks for noticing.

    It doesn't make any difference at all.
  • orfeoorfeo Shipmate
    undead_rat wrote: »
    One effect of a nuclear burst is that its infrared heat will be traveling at the speed of light, but the shock wave is limited to the speed of sound. A common 400 kt nuclear bomb is about 200 times the size of the device that destroyed Hiroshima. Its heat radiation would be felt miles away and would vaporize human flesh at a great distance many seconds before the shock wave arrived.
    Wrong.

    I hope you enjoyed "heat traveling at the speed of light" as much as I did.
  • The shock wave limited to the speed of sound is quite an entertaining concept as well.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited February 12
    Wherever does undead_rat find this stuff?
    :open_mouth:
  • DavidDavid Shipmate
    Wherever does undead_rat find this stuff?
    :open_mouth:

    I don’t know. But if he’s paying for it he should demand a refund.
  • Yes, but I bet he'd find that the firm had gone out of business...
  • Dave WDave W Shipmate
    undead_rat wrote: »
    Perhaps this passage from Zechariah could be seen as a description of such an effect:
    . . .their flesh will molder while they are still standing on their feet; their eyes will rot in their sockets; their tongues will rot in their mouths.
    Well, no. "Moldering" and "rotting" are very different from "burning".
  • {Slight tangent re mention of rules:}
    That would be an ecumenical matter.
    :wink:
    Doc Tor wrote: »
    Oh, the internet is way ahead of you.

    So it is. I had forgot about Rule 34...

    Better set of rules, IMHO:
    "Gibbs's Rules | NCIS Database | Fandom"

    These are rules that Gibbs mentions in various episodes. There are gaps in the numbers, where he hasn't yet mentioned certain rules. Sometimes, there are two for one number.

    Anyway, much-beloved rules (both on TV and in real life) from a much-beloved character.

    Enjoy!
  • orfeoorfeo Shipmate
    Dave W wrote: »
    undead_rat wrote: »
    Perhaps this passage from Zechariah could be seen as a description of such an effect:
    . . .their flesh will molder while they are still standing on their feet; their eyes will rot in their sockets; their tongues will rot in their mouths.
    Well, no. "Moldering" and "rotting" are very different from "burning".

    "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less." "The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things." "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all."
  • {Slight tangent re mention of Noah:}
    You believe that Noah was an actual person? And that the Ark actually existed?
    :open_mouth:

    Just FYI: many Christians (and others) do. It's in my "don't know stack". I don't have a problem with a flood occurring (whether world-wide, or in the world that the locals knew), etc. My issue is the idea that God would do that.

    Anyway, if undead_rat believes the scripture story, they aren't alone. All sorts of books. And people keep searching for it (Duck Duck Go).

    Even National Geographic periodically covers the search.

    And Robert Ballard, the underwater archaeologist who found the Titanic (ABC News), said, though he doesn't expect to find the Ark, he was tracking down proof of the Flood.

    I'm *not* making an argument for any of this being true--just that lots of people are interested.
  • BoogieBoogie Shipmate
    Of course there was a flood. There are floods all the time. We have them round here every winter and some summers.

    I’m sure there was a really catastrophic flood where only those with well constructed boats survived.

    Flood myths arose.

    Why this flood story made it into scripture baffles me ‘tho. I can’t see the value in it at all. It depicts the worst of all gods.
  • Plus the whole "Curse of Ham" business that's been interpreted as a curse on Black people. (tl;dr: Once the Ark landed and they put up some shelter on dry land, Noah got drunk and went to sleep it off in his tent--naked. His son Ham saw him, and joked about it to his bros. That must've been a big cultural no-no. His two bros took a cloak, walked into the tent *backwards*, and threw it over their dad without looking. When Noah woke up (probably with an epic hangover and depression) and was told what happened, *he* put one heck of a curse on Ham. However, people forgot that and said the curse was from God.)
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    If there was a global flood in a period since humans became capable of making ships and our current biodiversity derives from the survivors in said boat then you might as well throw the whole of palaeontology, archaeology, biology and geology in the bin as we clearly know absolutely nothing. In fact, give up on science altogether as the scientific method clearly doesn't work.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited February 13
    Flood myths are quite common:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_myth

    The story of Noah may be derived from that of Utnapishtim:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utnapishtim

    As @Boogie says, why on earth did this folk tale (probably harking back to an actual inundation - disastrous, but not world-wide) find its way into the Bible?
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    Flood myths are quite common:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_myth

    The story of Noah may be derived from that of Utnapishtim:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utnapishtim

    As @Boogie says, why on earth did this folk tale (probably harking back to an actual inundation - disastrous, but not world-wide) find its way into the Bible?

    Because it was part of the mythological cycle of the people who wrote the documents that were incorporated into that part of Genesis.

    They weren't sitting there thinking "in two and a half thousand years people will be wondering how we decided to put in, you know..."
  • Yes, but it still begs the question as to what we're supposed to do with those bits of the Bible, or, IOW, how are they relevant to us today?
  • KarlLB wrote: »
    Flood myths are quite common:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_myth

    The story of Noah may be derived from that of Utnapishtim:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utnapishtim

    As @Boogie says, why on earth did this folk tale (probably harking back to an actual inundation - disastrous, but not world-wide) find its way into the Bible?

    Because it was part of the mythological cycle of the people who wrote the documents that were incorporated into that part of Genesis.

    They weren't sitting there thinking "in two and a half thousand years people will be wondering how we decided to put in, you know..."

    Quite. Much of the historical narrative of the Old Testament is clearly God's chosen people explaining and qualifying to themselves how and why they survived and how they perceived their relationship with God. Noah is part of the origins myth essential to the founding of a 'chosen' people who went on to do rather well for themselves in terms of displacing other peoples and establishing a sizeable kingdom and culture of their own. If the setting had been Italy, the flood would have been a volcano; if in Scandinavia it would have been an ice-age; North America maybe an earthquake. (In Britain, maybe a stiff breeze with that icy kind of drizzle that really annoys when it dribbles down the back of your neck beneath your clothing.)

    In 500 years time (if human beings are still around then) there'll be a remnant Christian sect referring to 2020/21 as the time of 'The Great Pandemic' where God saved the lives of all his favourite little sunbeams and consigned the loose-living evildoers into the hands of a Satanic Virus.
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    Yes, but it still begs the question as to what we're supposed to do with those bits of the Bible, or, IOW, how are they relevant to us today?

    Why would we assume that we're meant to do anything with it, or that it is relevant?

    I mean if we think Moses wrote it, with God leaning over his shoulder telling what to write, then perhaps we might make that assumption, but since I don't think either of those things are actually the case, I dont.
  • Well, FWIW, neither do I, so perhaps my question was a bit rhetorical. Still, there are people who believe these things to be important...
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    Well, FWIW, neither do I, so perhaps my question was a bit rhetorical. Still, there are people who believe these things to be important...

    Can't help that.
  • orfeo wrote: »
    I hope you enjoyed "heat traveling at the speed of light" as much as I did.

    Infrared radiation is not the same as conductive heat. It does travel at the speed of light. The majority of the energy the the earth receives from the sun is through this means.

    (How is it that no one called me out on my arithmetic mistake? A 400 kt nuclear bomb is only 20 times a powerful as the one that devastated Hiroshima.)
  • The shock wave limited to the speed of sound is quite an entertaining concept as well.

    Alan, if you think that such is wrong, then you don't know your physics as well as you think that you do.
  • Wherever does undead_rat find this stuff?
    :open_mouth:

    He makes it up, of course. Being undead has its advantages.
  • Dave W wrote: »
    undead_rat wrote: »
    Perhaps this passage from Zechariah could be seen as a description of such an effect:
    . . .their flesh will molder while they are still standing on their feet; their eyes will rot in their sockets; their tongues will rot in their mouths.
    Well, no. "Moldering" and "rotting" are very different from "burning".

    Boiling away and vaporization are not the same as burning.
  • undead_rat wrote: »
    Wherever does undead_rat find this stuff?
    :open_mouth:

    He makes it up, of course. Being undead has its advantages.

    Well, I think we realised that you make it all up, but how you waste your time is your affair.
  • Boogie wrote: »
    It depicts the worst of all gods.

    We have no idea as to what we are up against.
    YHWH allowed six million of His chosen people to be murdered during WW II.
    If we think that we are any better than them, we are sadly mistaken.

  • undead_rat wrote: »
    We have no idea as to what we are up against.
    YHWH allowed six million of His chosen people to be murdered during WW II.
    If we think that we are any better than them, we are sadly mistaken.

    So how do the disabled, homosexuals and Romanies also killed in the concentration camps fit in? That's around 250 000 disabled men, women and children, 10 000-15 000 gay men and 220,000-500 000 Romanies, another million people in all.

  • As good an argument as any for rejecting any belief in, or worship of, this ghastly YHWH thing.

    Maybe the Cathars have it right? I use the present tense, as there are still a few around, I'm told.
    :wink:
  • undead_rat wrote: »
    The shock wave limited to the speed of sound is quite an entertaining concept as well.

    Alan, if you think that such is wrong, then you don't know your physics as well as you think that you do.
    OK, then here's the condensed version of the physics of a nuclear explosion.

    The initial detonation releases vast quantities of energy in the form of radiation, fission fragments, hot gases etc. These vapourise components of the bomb and any surrounding material generating an intensely hot fireball. This expands at supersonic speeds from the point of detonation. The radiation released travels faster than the shock front, gamma and x-rays at the speed of light, and indeed the IR from the fireball, other particles slower than this. These all interact with air and ground materials in a relatively short distance, heating the materials they interact with (and, thus contributing to the energy in the expanding fireball). The IR that you claim travels significant distances ahead of the shockwave at the speed of light travels a short distance before being absorbed, the heated materials then re-irradiate IR in all directions. The radiated heat thus travels in a series of short steps as a "random walk" with short pauses between absorption and re-irradiation. The net speed of IR is thus significantly slower than light speed, and initially doesn't outpace the supersonic shock wave (as that loses energy it slows, and that then allows radiated heat to progress ahead of the blast wave - but by that point that heat wouldn't be sufficient to vapourise anything, and the shock wave would be significantly less destructive when it arrives a few seconds later).

    The visible light emitted, would of course travel largely unimpeded from the detonation. A few miles from a big blast you would see a flash then get ripped apart by the shockwave. If you somehow survived to experience things you would hear the shockwave after it passed and then be incinerated by the heat.

    Now, do you want to dual qualifications as to who understands the physics best?
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