Not sure about unconscious Christianity, a lot of my clients wanted to get as far away from religion as possible, and felt harmed by it. If you mean giving care and attention, fair enough, but not exclusive to any faith.
Not sure about unconscious Christianity, a lot of my clients wanted to get as far away from religion as possible, and felt harmed by it. If you mean giving care and attention, fair enough, but not exclusive to any faith.
That's precisely what I mean. Nothing to do with doctrine, everything to do with kindness and worthiness of individuals.
NOprophet_NOprofit No psychology isn't a pseudo science, it's part science and part something else.
I don't think one should be too hung up on psychology's scientific status. The question is whether or not it's a worthwhile object of study that can be pursued with integrity. After all, there are many important questions that are unamenable to scientific analysis.
@Lamb Chopped there is quite a lot of research into common factors in talking therapy - and there is certainly truth in the idea that providing a confiding relationship is helpful in and of itself. That said, there are studies demonstrating that some kinds of therapy are better or worse for some kinds of problems.
To quote/paraphrase someone I can’t remember off the top of my head, a good therapeutic relationship is necessary for positive change, it is not also always sufficient to effect that change without anything else.
Per Rodgers a good therapeutic relationship should include the elements of acceptance, genuineness and empathy. I remember this by putting the word respect in front of those three, and noting I need rage.
NOprophet_NOprofit No psychology isn't a pseudo science, it's part science and part something else.
I don't think one should be too hung up on psychology's scientific status. The question is whether or not it's a worthwhile object of study that can be pursued with integrity. After all, there are many important questions that are unamenable to scientific analysis.
@Lamb Chopped there is quite a lot of research into common factors in talking therapy - and there is certainly truth in the idea that providing a confiding relationship is helpful in and of itself. That said, there are studies demonstrating that some kinds of therapy are better or worse for some kinds of problems.
To quote/paraphrase someone I can’t remember off the top of my head, a good therapeutic relationship is necessary for positive change, it is not also always sufficient to effect that change without anything else.
Per Rodgers a good therapeutic relationship should include the elements of acceptance, genuineness and empathy. I remember this by putting the word respect in front of those three, and noting I need rage.
Yes, certainly. I was more thinking about how many people seem to go unlistened to in their daily lives, and how immensely helpful that can be in any setting, once it finally happens. But to be sure, there are useful techniques as well (we've been through counseling for OCD in our family, and some of that was very useful).
OK. Yer Rogerian therapy. Asking for a friend. Honest.
'Person-centred theory has its roots firmly in the humanistic tradition, which is a 20th-century version of the existential paradigm. The theory was also influenced by the philosophy of phenomenology'
Help they says.
So, I says, yer existentialism is that the subjective is real, what you feel, think, remember, the stories we tell, is real, it's a thing, valid, worthy of consideration. Yer phenomenology is the that rational consideration. One can come up with poncey swathes of stuff on it, but the friend needs common sense real to start.
Of I done 'em wrong?
Annanuvvafing, what's the overlap between affect and attachment? No attachment, yer affect comes to nothing and you die inside at least. Attachment responds to and affect and on it goes.
OK. Yer Rogerian therapy. Asking for a friend. Honest.
'Person-centred theory has its roots firmly in the humanistic tradition, which is a 20th-century version of the existential paradigm. The theory was also influenced by the philosophy of phenomenology'
Help they says.
So, I says, yer existentialism is that the subjective is real, what you feel, think, remember, the stories we tell, is real, it's a thing, valid, worthy of consideration. Yer phenomenology is the that rational consideration. One can come up with poncey swathes of stuff on it, but the friend needs common sense real to start.
Of I done 'em wrong?
Annanuvvafing, what's the overlap between affect and attachment? No attachment, yer affect comes to nothing and you die inside at least. Attachment responds to and affect and on it goes.
I don’t understand your post Martin. But I did ring the boiler controller company you put me on to, who were really helpful. On-topic for this thread, the controller has adaptive feedback which means it learns how quickly it can reach the target set point temperature. Part of our problem involved our setting it impossible objectives, and it had a kind of breakdown and thought ‘fuck it, I’m going to be ON all the time’. Therapy included setting it easy goals - ‘hey, it’s OK, hang out at around ‘ambient’ for a while, you can do that can’t you’ - and heating users will need to go on their own journey towards responsible parenting...
That's my approach, but it's 3 to 1 in this house whether that's responsible, or oppressive. It's an idea though - some of our ladies are of an age and culture where Sunday Hats are still a thing. Better make them woolly - bobbles optional (perhaps in liturgical colours, though that is not a Methodist or Caribbean thing - but I could imagine the flag colours of island nations featuring heavily).
The meaning of life could be studied and regularly is, particularly by people trying to sell us stuff. Make no mistake that:
(a) making us feel anxious, fearful or inadequate,
(b) determining who we are (age, education, relationship status, income level, preferences, history of clicking on things online, location, how fast you drive, what you drive, where you shop online and in person and how long you view each webpage or stay in a store isle)
I read an old psych joke this morning in the paper.
A guy goes into a psych's office and says "Doc, my brother thinks he's a chicken."
The Doc says, "Why don't you have him committed?"
The guy says, "I would, but we could use the eggs."
I'm in two minds whether to think that is funny or not. Am I schizophrenic?
No. That isn't schizophrenia. Two personalities/minds is multiple personality. Schizophrenia is thought disorder, often with hallucinations - much more often voices than visions. The split that it refers to is between thoughts and emotions. Not dual or multiple minds nor personalities.
The meaning of life could be studied and regularly is, particularly by people trying to sell us stuff. Make no mistake that:
(a) making us feel anxious, fearful or inadequate,
(b) determining who we are (age, education, relationship status, income level, preferences, history of clicking on things online, location, how fast you drive, what you drive, where you shop online and in person and how long you view each webpage or stay in a store isle)
I read an old psych joke this morning in the paper.
A guy goes into a psych's office and says "Doc, my brother thinks he's a chicken."
The Doc says, "Why don't you have him committed?"
The guy says, "I would, but we could use the eggs."
I'm in two minds whether to think that is funny or not. Am I schizophrenic?
No. That isn't schizophrenia. Two personalities/minds is multiple personality. Schizophrenia is thought disorder, often with hallucinations - much more often voices than visions. The split that it refers to is between thoughts and emotions. Not dual or multiple minds nor personalities.
Definitely not. I had a friend at university who suffered from schizophrenia. She succeeded in getting a degree, which her psychiatrist described as "like running the marathon with a broken leg". It's a very nasty illness.
OK. Yer Rogerian therapy. Asking for a friend. Honest.
'Person-centred theory has its roots firmly in the humanistic tradition, which is a 20th-century version of the existential paradigm. The theory was also influenced by the philosophy of phenomenology'
H'elp they says.
So, I says, yer existentialism is that the subjective is real, what you yer feel, think fink, remember, the stories we tell, is real, it's a thing, valid, worthy of consideration. Yer phenomenology is the that rational consideration. One can come up with poncey swathes of stuff on it, but the friend needs common sense real to start.
Of I done 'em wrong?
Annanuvvafing, what's the overlap between affect and attachment? No attachment, yer affect comes to nothing nuffin and you yer die inside at least. Attachment responds to and affect and on it goes.
OK. Yer Rogerian therapy. Asking for a friend. Honest.
'Person-centred theory has its roots firmly in the humanistic tradition, which is a 20th-century version of the existential paradigm. The theory was also influenced by the philosophy of phenomenology'
Help they says.
So, I says, yer existentialism is that the subjective is real, what you feel, think, remember, the stories we tell, is real, it's a thing, valid, worthy of consideration. Yer phenomenology is the that rational consideration. One can come up with poncey swathes of stuff on it, but the friend needs common sense real to start.
Of I done 'em wrong?
Annanuvvafing, what's the overlap between affect and attachment? No attachment, yer affect comes to nothing and you die inside at least. Attachment responds to and affect and on it goes.
I don’t understand your post Martin. But I did ring the boiler controller company you put me on to, who were really helpful. On-topic for this thread, the controller has adaptive feedback which means it learns how quickly it can reach the target set point temperature. Part of our problem involved our setting it impossible objectives, and it had a kind of breakdown and thought ‘fuck it, I’m going to be ON all the time’. Therapy included setting it easy goals - ‘hey, it’s OK, hang out at around ‘ambient’ for a while, you can do that can’t you’ - and heating users will need to go on their own journey towards responsible parenting...
I am so glad Mark. You taught it phenomenologically. That'll be seven hundred and twenty three of your English pounds and thruppence plus VAT. And you expect me to understand my post?! Cuh. Dear oh dear.
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No. That isn't schizophrenia. Two personalities/minds is multiple personality. Schizophrenia is thought disorder, often with hallucinations - much more often voices than visions. The split that it refers to is between thoughts and emotions. Not dual or multiple minds nor personalities.
Guess what? I knew that already.
But now I know you are well informed too. So I'm relieved actually.
The meaning of life could be studied and regularly is, particularly by people trying to sell us stuff. Make no mistake that:
(a) making us feel anxious, fearful or inadequate,
(b) determining who we are (age, education, relationship status, income level, preferences, history of clicking on things online, location, how fast you drive, what you drive, where you shop online and in person and how long you view each webpage or stay in a store isle)
I read an old psych joke this morning in the paper.
A guy goes into a psych's office and says "Doc, my brother thinks he's a chicken."
The Doc says, "Why don't you have him committed?"
The guy says, "I would, but we could use the eggs."
I'm in two minds whether to think that is funny or not. Am I schizophrenic?
No. That isn't schizophrenia. Two personalities/minds is multiple personality. Schizophrenia is thought disorder, often with hallucinations - much more often voices than visions. The split that it refers to is between thoughts and emotions. Not dual or multiple minds nor personalities.
It certainly isn't something to joke about.
I'm in three minds to think whether that's funny or not
It's about responses like this. I want to be kind to you as newbie: perhaps you're not aware that we're discussing how you are posting how it isn't okay. This is actually a serious part of the Ship, where we expect different than this. This Ship of Fools is actually a community.
Psychology is science of the mind and behaviour.... in theory... in aspiration.
Psychoanalysis is a therapy which works as well as the therapist.
I recommend the excellent Mad To Be Normal, watched a week ago, and the fertile three season, 106 episode, In Treatment. Only binge a week at a time.
Psychology has come a lonnnnng way from the 'theories' of Freud but has a way to go before it is as scientific as physics. Neuroscience is helping.
I had therapy recently and cannot praise the Ph.D. Rogerian therapist enough. My mental health has never been better. Or worse. I find the God in the shower, of hypnagogy and walking, in the car with my wife at the start of long journeys, of Oasis at 11 today, therapeutic. Far more so than in therapeuo - worship - as I've never encountered anyone I can conversationally share that with outside Oasis beyond parallel play. No quite true. A couple of encounters in 16 years. Meeting of minds.
I've never done Rogerian therapy....which is basically just talk therapy, right? I can be a talkaholic, so might enjoy it, at the therapists expense.
Aye, like all counselling, it involves talk. It's 'person centred', I like the cognitive bias behind it, the core conditions.
Choose your bias.
The key is getting a therapist you connect with. I could never talk to a female counsellor for example.
Now I sound sexist. 😀
No, you just have your preference. I don't like most straight men, so I almost always choose female therapists. Usually she's a lesbian or at least very supportive of the LGBTQ community.
Psychology is science of the mind and behaviour.... in theory... in aspiration.
Psychoanalysis is a therapy which works as well as the therapist.
I recommend the excellent Mad To Be Normal, watched a week ago, and the fertile three season, 106 episode, In Treatment. Only binge a week at a time.
Psychology has come a lonnnnng way from the 'theories' of Freud but has a way to go before it is as scientific as physics. Neuroscience is helping.
I had therapy recently and cannot praise the Ph.D. Rogerian therapist enough. My mental health has never been better. Or worse. I find the God in the shower, of hypnagogy and walking, in the car with my wife at the start of long journeys, of Oasis at 11 today, therapeutic. Far more so than in therapeuo - worship - as I've never encountered anyone I can conversationally share that with outside Oasis beyond parallel play. No quite true. A couple of encounters in 16 years. Meeting of minds.
I've never done Rogerian therapy....which is basically just talk therapy, right? I can be a talkaholic, so might enjoy it, at the therapists expense.
Aye, like all counselling, it involves talk. It's 'person centred', I like the cognitive bias behind it, the core conditions.
Choose your bias.
The key is getting a therapist you connect with. I could never talk to a female counsellor for example.
Now I sound sexist. 😀
No, you just have your preference. I don't like most straight men, so I almost always choose female therapists. Usually she's a lesbian or at least very supportive of the LGBTQ community.
It's about responses like this. I want to be kind to you as newbie: perhaps you're not aware that we're discussing how you are posting how it isn't okay. This is actually a serious part of the Ship, where we expect different than this. This Ship of Fools is actually a community.
And look I respect that. I know where you're coming from. Your heart is certainly in the right place. That's for sure. And let me thank you personally, on behalf of everyone else for having the integrity, the foresight, the wisdom, the down right tenacity to speak your mind, to say what's what and what's not, ...don't worry, you've really impressed me today. Really.
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That's precisely what I mean. Nothing to do with doctrine, everything to do with kindness and worthiness of individuals.
I don't think one should be too hung up on psychology's scientific status. The question is whether or not it's a worthwhile object of study that can be pursued with integrity. After all, there are many important questions that are unamenable to scientific analysis.
To quote/paraphrase someone I can’t remember off the top of my head, a good therapeutic relationship is necessary for positive change, it is not also always sufficient to effect that change without anything else.
Per Rodgers a good therapeutic relationship should include the elements of acceptance, genuineness and empathy. I remember this by putting the word respect in front of those three, and noting I need rage.
Like the existence of God.
The meaning of life.
Yes, certainly. I was more thinking about how many people seem to go unlistened to in their daily lives, and how immensely helpful that can be in any setting, once it finally happens. But to be sure, there are useful techniques as well (we've been through counseling for OCD in our family, and some of that was very useful).
Tell me more about the rage?
A guy goes into a psych's office and says "Doc, my brother thinks he's a chicken."
The Doc says, "Why don't you have him committed?"
The guy says, "I would, but we could use the eggs."
I'm in two minds whether to think that is funny or not. Am I schizophrenic?
Depends on whether you're the hen or the egg.
He's had the operation.
Both.
OK. Yer Rogerian therapy. Asking for a friend. Honest.
'Person-centred theory has its roots firmly in the humanistic tradition, which is a 20th-century version of the existential paradigm. The theory was also influenced by the philosophy of phenomenology'
Help they says.
So, I says, yer existentialism is that the subjective is real, what you feel, think, remember, the stories we tell, is real, it's a thing, valid, worthy of consideration. Yer phenomenology is the that rational consideration. One can come up with poncey swathes of stuff on it, but the friend needs common sense real to start.
Of I done 'em wrong?
Annanuvvafing, what's the overlap between affect and attachment? No attachment, yer affect comes to nothing and you die inside at least. Attachment responds to and affect and on it goes.
I did not realise that present techniques had reached that stage.
I don’t understand your post Martin. But I did ring the boiler controller company you put me on to, who were really helpful. On-topic for this thread, the controller has adaptive feedback which means it learns how quickly it can reach the target set point temperature. Part of our problem involved our setting it impossible objectives, and it had a kind of breakdown and thought ‘fuck it, I’m going to be ON all the time’. Therapy included setting it easy goals - ‘hey, it’s OK, hang out at around ‘ambient’ for a while, you can do that can’t you’ - and heating users will need to go on their own journey towards responsible parenting...
(a) making us feel anxious, fearful or inadequate,
(b) determining who we are (age, education, relationship status, income level, preferences, history of clicking on things online, location, how fast you drive, what you drive, where you shop online and in person and how long you view each webpage or stay in a store isle)
No. That isn't schizophrenia. Two personalities/minds is multiple personality. Schizophrenia is thought disorder, often with hallucinations - much more often voices than visions. The split that it refers to is between thoughts and emotions. Not dual or multiple minds nor personalities.
It certainly isn't something to joke about.
I need a drink obvious.
I am so glad Mark. You taught it phenomenologically. That'll be seven hundred and twenty three of your English pounds and thruppence plus VAT. And you expect me to understand my post?! Cuh. Dear oh dear.
No. That isn't schizophrenia. Two personalities/minds is multiple personality. Schizophrenia is thought disorder, often with hallucinations - much more often voices than visions. The split that it refers to is between thoughts and emotions. Not dual or multiple minds nor personalities.
Guess what? I knew that already.
But now I know you are well informed too. So I'm relieved actually.
,
I'm in three minds to think whether that's funny or not
It's about responses like this. I want to be kind to you as newbie: perhaps you're not aware that we're discussing how you are posting how it isn't okay. This is actually a serious part of the Ship, where we expect different than this. This Ship of Fools is actually a community.
No, you just have your preference. I don't like most straight men, so I almost always choose female therapists. Usually she's a lesbian or at least very supportive of the LGBTQ community.
I can understand that.
And look I respect that. I know where you're coming from. Your heart is certainly in the right place. That's for sure. And let me thank you personally, on behalf of everyone else for having the integrity, the foresight, the wisdom, the down right tenacity to speak your mind, to say what's what and what's not, ...don't worry, you've really impressed me today. Really.