No need to junior host me, @Eutychus. I pointed out the hosting admonition because it is in line with many of the posts in this thread. And you provide no support for your final sentence.
It soundedto me like you wanted to shut down the debate. And I don't see what support I need for my final sentence. How the comments in 1 Timothy etc. on women are to be read and understood is a legitimate debate topic for a magazine of Christian unrest however wrong-headed the OP, as is evident from many of the subsequent posts.
I'm grateful for @Insanely humble 's uncredited borrowing of this interpretation of 1 Tim. It reminds me why feminism of various sorts is still so badly needed in the Christian environment. A good chuckle on a wet Monday is always a tonic and that post was full of the funniest bullshit I've seen in a long time.
I'm grateful for @Insanely humble 's uncredited borrowing of this interpretation of 1 Tim. It reminds me why feminism of various sorts is still so badly needed in the Christian environment. A good chuckle on a wet Monday is always a tonic and that post was full of the funniest bullshit I've seen in a long time.
Yes indeed - although it's a shame (to say the least) to think that some *Christians* actually believe in, and preach, such bullshit.
Ah well - at least @Insanely humble has given us something else, other than politics, and the Plague, to think about, or to laugh at.
I am intrigued by @Eutychus' suggestion that Hebrews was written by a woman. I saw through a course on Hebrews but a nigh-half-century ago and this did not come up, but it might not have at the time. IIRC its Greek has a different flavour from other parts of the NT, but perhaps this should be better explored in Kerygma.
At the time I had rather long hair and was once subjected to a CU dropout's fiery (and perhaps bullying) lecture on the immorality of this. I put up with it as I was much more interested in notions of immorality with his red-headed sister, who was striking in appearance and later appeared on a French travel magazine's cover as a typical Irishwoman, to the amusement and consternation of her Black Ulster family (Black here in the Northern Irish sense).
I was reminded of this period of my life by a young Yemeni friend who was being lectured by another student on the behaviour of a godly Muslim woman-- "I speak to you as a brother." I wickedly told him that we would all be anxious to follow his example-- ah if looks could kill.... It strikes me that there is a (hopefully) small cohort of young men who feel compelled to interpret scripture to correct the behaviour of women.
Thank you @Ruth for making me read the OP again. Even as a man I feel a great sense of weariness at a post which shows no sign of engaging with the last three or four decades of scholarship, on the text, including (in the U.K. at least) evangelical scholarship.
I’m afraid that weariness meant I didn’t pay sufficiently detailed attention to the ‘commentary’ which follows the biblical quotation in the OP. (Oh dear! More of the same old same old.) It displays a male chauvinism which was already backwards-looking 50 years ago and which, as you say, now comes across as straightforwardly misogynist.
I’m fed up with this kind of misinterpretation and abuse of Scripture, and (even as a man) fed up with a masculinity which seems unable to cope with women who are anything other than Stepford wives.
Even as a man I feel a great sense of weariness at a post which shows no sign of engaging with the last three or four decades of scholarship, on the text, including (in the U.K. at least) evangelical scholarship.
Given the hit-and-run nature of the OP, I don’t think engaging of any kind was ever intended.
Given the hit-and-run nature of the OP, I don’t think engaging of any kind was ever intended.
Indeed. Drive-by trolling. Posting indefensible sexist diatribe, without even the courtesy of putting it in his own words, and then not even trying to discuss it.
@Insanely humble you are now on notice that if you come back and post anymore sexist drivel, or otherwise act like a jerk, you'll be banned from this site.
There may be interesting discussions to be had on authorship of NT books, in which case feel free to start a new thread in Kerygmania.
This thread is closed as not having anything of value to discuss.
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Yes indeed - although it's a shame (to say the least) to think that some *Christians* actually believe in, and preach, such bullshit.
Ah well - at least @Insanely humble has given us something else, other than politics, and the Plague, to think about, or to laugh at.
At the time I had rather long hair and was once subjected to a CU dropout's fiery (and perhaps bullying) lecture on the immorality of this. I put up with it as I was much more interested in notions of immorality with his red-headed sister, who was striking in appearance and later appeared on a French travel magazine's cover as a typical Irishwoman, to the amusement and consternation of her Black Ulster family (Black here in the Northern Irish sense).
I was reminded of this period of my life by a young Yemeni friend who was being lectured by another student on the behaviour of a godly Muslim woman-- "I speak to you as a brother." I wickedly told him that we would all be anxious to follow his example-- ah if looks could kill.... It strikes me that there is a (hopefully) small cohort of young men who feel compelled to interpret scripture to correct the behaviour of women.
I’m afraid that weariness meant I didn’t pay sufficiently detailed attention to the ‘commentary’ which follows the biblical quotation in the OP. (Oh dear! More of the same old same old.) It displays a male chauvinism which was already backwards-looking 50 years ago and which, as you say, now comes across as straightforwardly misogynist.
I’m fed up with this kind of misinterpretation and abuse of Scripture, and (even as a man) fed up with a masculinity which seems unable to cope with women who are anything other than Stepford wives.
@Insanely humble you are now on notice that if you come back and post anymore sexist drivel, or otherwise act like a jerk, you'll be banned from this site.
There may be interesting discussions to be had on authorship of NT books, in which case feel free to start a new thread in Kerygmania.
This thread is closed as not having anything of value to discuss.
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