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  • chrisstileschrisstiles Shipmate
    edited April 17
    Russ wrote: »
    Where I'm not convinced is the desirability of (what you might consider to be a modest measure of) inflation. Because inflation as a policy in effect steals value from pensioners - those on fixed incomes that have been earned from contributions over their working life.

    Where do you think those fixed incomes come from, and what do you think happens to gilt yields if you have zero inflation?

  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    As mentioned there were lots of things to complain about New Labour for. Most of us were just happy not to have the Conservatives, particularly Thatcher, who had gone through years of Boom and Bust. Brown built up a war chest and used it when needed. We had some strong years under New Labour. Brown was unfortunate that over in the US bankers were about to unleash financial hell on the world. On top of that many newish voters had only really known a Labour government so voted Conservative to see what it was like.
  • Hugal wrote: »
    On top of that many newish voters had only really known a Labour government so voted Conservative to see what it was like.

    I'd be interested to see a source for this. I'd be utterly astonished if it was under 30s (like me at the time) who tipped the balance in favour of Cameron in 2010. My conversations at the time pointed to middle aged people, otherwise quite intelligent, who had bought the idea that Labour hadn't been careful enough with the finances and that you need the tories in to sort it out. Swing voters tend to be those of any age without a fecking clue of the current situation, the differences between the parties or really anything else but think themselves wise because they have an "open mind".
  • Hugal wrote: »
    On top of that many newish voters had only really known a Labour government so voted Conservative to see what it was like.

    I'd be interested to see a source for this. I'd be utterly astonished if it was under 30s (like me at the time) who tipped the balance in favour of Cameron in 2010.

    It's hard to tell whether it was under-30s specifically, but there was a swing towards the Conservatives in younger demographics in 2010, I can't comment on how that determined the final result (given lower turn out among the young).
  • Hugal wrote: »
    On top of that many newish voters had only really known a Labour government so voted Conservative to see what it was like.

    I'd be interested to see a source for this. I'd be utterly astonished if it was under 30s (like me at the time) who tipped the balance in favour of Cameron in 2010.

    It's hard to tell whether it was under-30s specifically, but there was a swing towards the Conservatives in younger demographics in 2010, I can't comment on how that determined the final result (given lower turn out among the young).

    Those figures suggest a broad swing, most pronounced among people in their 30s. I focussed on under 30s as the benchmark as if you were 30 in 2010 you were 17 in 1997, any older and you'd have been able to vote in 3 elections and I wouldn't consider you a "newish" voter. Any older than 35 and you were able to vote the last time the tories won an election, in 1992.
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    edited April 18
    Ok I have no figures just anecdotal evidence of lots of the people I know in the younger age bracket saying just what I quoted. The same on the news. I didn’t say they swang the vote but it was an aspect.
  • Hugal wrote: »
    On top of that many newish voters had only really known a Labour government so voted Conservative to see what it was like.

    I'd be interested to see a source for this. I'd be utterly astonished if it was under 30s (like me at the time) who tipped the balance in favour of Cameron in 2010.

    It's hard to tell whether it was under-30s specifically, but there was a swing towards the Conservatives in younger demographics in 2010, I can't comment on how that determined the final result (given lower turn out among the young).

    Those figures suggest a broad swing, most pronounced among people in their 30s.

    The way in which the figures are broken down it's unclear how far down the age group that the tendency extends (and so it could well include a bunch of people in their late 20s).

    I assume it's not adjusting for age -- so it's a comparison against the previous cohort in that age group.
  • Hugal wrote: »
    On top of that many newish voters had only really known a Labour government so voted Conservative to see what it was like.

    I'd be interested to see a source for this. I'd be utterly astonished if it was under 30s (like me at the time) who tipped the balance in favour of Cameron in 2010.

    It's hard to tell whether it was under-30s specifically, but there was a swing towards the Conservatives in younger demographics in 2010, I can't comment on how that determined the final result (given lower turn out among the young).

    Those figures suggest a broad swing, most pronounced among people in their 30s.

    The way in which the figures are broken down it's unclear how far down the age group that the tendency extends (and so it could well include a bunch of people in their late 20s).

    I assume it's not adjusting for age -- so it's a comparison against the previous cohort in that age group.

    I was assuming a fairly continuous distribution, so roughly even figures among 25-34 year olds and 35-44 years olds with lower values suggest a peak towards the centre of that range.
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