How is Brexit affecting us?

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  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    So there was a grace period but this is only being sorted now as the grace period comes to an end. Surprised
  • quetzalcoatlquetzalcoatl Shipmate
    One of the interesting things about the sausage war is that the EU doesn't allow chilled meat to be imported from a 3rd country, and, (this is the kicker), under WTO rules, cannot make exceptions, as then other countries can demand parity, under non-discrimination rules.

    Of course, the chilled meat rule is because of e coli, and other nasties. And N. Ireland is treated as a single market country. This is what the UK negotiated, isn't it? What seems very ironic is that it's WTO rules that are gumming up the works.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited June 9
    Latest news is that the NI talks aren't going very well:
    https://theguardian.com/politics/2021/jun/09/eu-uk-talks-to-resolve-northern-ireland-crisis-end-without-agreement

    Who would have thought such a thing could happen, given England's world-beating leadership in just about everything?
  • SandemaniacSandemaniac Shipmate
    Annoyingly I can't find the link (which came up on LinkedIn, ho ho), but it seems that the majority of Irish dairy producers are being stiffed as well either by loss of trade or by added paperwork.
  • But...but...how can this be?

    Brexit Has Been Done, Boris has saved us, England is about to conquer the world...do you mean that there are no Unicorns? Or sunlit uplands?

    Anyway, the Irish are Horrid Foreign People Not Like Us, so they don't matter.
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    But...but...how can this be?

    Brexit Has Been Done, Boris has saved us, England is about to conquer the world...do you mean that there are no Unicorns? Or sunlit uplands?

    Anyway, the Irish are Horrid Foreign People Not Like Us, so they don't matter.

    Your Grace
    Some of us are of strong Irish decent (my Grandfather was Irish). If your Grace wishes to take this outside please remember to take if your Cassock first 😉
  • Hugal wrote: »
    But...but...how can this be?

    Brexit Has Been Done, Boris has saved us, England is about to conquer the world...do you mean that there are no Unicorns? Or sunlit uplands?

    Anyway, the Irish are Horrid Foreign People Not Like Us, so they don't matter.

    Your Grace
    Some of us are of strong Irish decent (my Grandfather was Irish). If your Grace wishes to take this outside please remember to take if your Cassock first 😉

    My maternal grandfather was Irish, too, and I am therefore entitled to citizenship of the Republic - my sister is in the process of sorting this out for myself, herself, and our brother!

    I was, of course, expressing the view of Horrid English People Not Like Us.
    :wink:
  • Can you do a batch of family citizenships? It appeared to me that registration of an Irish birth abroad has to be done one at a time, so when mine goes through, I could then hand all the certified original documents over to my sisters and cousins in turn (though I don't think they will do it). Our Dear Old Mother would have denounced and disinherited me for this. I won't go into details here, but she was an admirer of Oliver Cromwell.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited June 9
    Can you do a batch of family citizenships? It appeared to me that registration of an Irish birth abroad has to be done one at a time, so when mine goes through, I could then hand all the certified original documents over to my sisters and cousins in turn (though I don't think they will do it). Our Dear Old Mother would have denounced and disinherited me for this. I won't go into details here, but she was an admirer of Oliver Cromwell.

    I'm not entirely sure. Latest news (from a few weeks ago) was that my sister (who lives in France) was consulting a notary, to make sure that all was in order. There is still some documentation relating to our late Mother which needs to be found.
  • Martin54Martin54 Shipmate
    There are multiple interested parties to the Good Friday Agreement. Especially Republicans, needing an open border with the Republic and Unionists, needing... bangers. How does Britain dragging its feet on sausages inflame Irish tensions?
  • Some of the requirements are difficult to understand. I mean, why do they need my father's and grandfather's death certificates? The need for birth certificates is obvious, but hanged if I can figure out why the others. But it was interesting tracking down everything, and I'm glad we did.
  • Furtive GanderFurtive Gander Shipmate
    edited June 9
    Look peeps, if all the decent people leave this country (Scots, a good few shipmates and anyone IRL who needs to escape, registering as Scottish, Irish, German ... whatever nationality they can clutch at) the rest of us will end up being stuck here ruled over by the f-ing Tories forever with no hope.

    Ple-e-eze don't run off and leave us in the shit.
  • Look peeps, if all the decent people leave this country (Scots, a good few shipmates and anyone IRL who needs to escape, registering as Scottish, Irish, German ... whatever nationality they can clutch at) the rest of us will end up being stuck here ruled over by the f-ing Tories forever with no hope.

    Ple-e-eze don't run off and leave us in the shit.

    I'm pretty sure Scotland will be welcoming to refugees post-independence.
  • Will there be nice, clean, comfortable, warm ex-barracks ready and waiting? Like the ones we have in Ingerlaaand for the Horrid Brown People Not Like Us?
    :naughty:
  • BTW, I see that President Biden is quite firm in expressing his desire to see the post-Brexit problems in NI resolved.

    https://theguardian.com/politics/2021/jun/10/northern-ireland-biden-brexit-talks-warning-tensions

    I suspect he is not exactly a fan of Bozzymandias and his Chumocrats, being, unlike them, a decent, sensible man.

    Not without faults, I'm sure, but O what a contrast to Blump!
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    What a relief it is to go whole days without thinking about what fuckery the president might be getting up to.
  • Goodness - I had to read that sentence twice before I realised that you meant The Fuckery Of Blump...

    It must indeed be a huge relief to have a president you can trust.

    Please may England have one, as well?
    :naughty:
  • Goodness - I had to read that sentence twice before I realised that you meant The Fuckery Of Blump...

    It must indeed be a huge relief to have a president you can trust.

    Please may England have one, as well?
    :naughty:

    It's amazing how hard it can be to get Air Force One cleared for takeoff, and how easily Prime Ministers can get lost between Cornwall and London. Just saying. ;)
  • AnselminaAnselmina Shipmate
    I can't believe everyone's ignoring the really important discussion. This is Cornwall! Cream or jam on the top of the Scone?!
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited June 10
    :naughty:

    I wouldn't want to stand in the way of Mr Biden returning home to the US, but, as you imply, it's a long way from Cornwall back to London, and anything could happen...abductions by aliens, sudden loss of memory, and the desire to eat grass (like Nebuchadnezzar), wilfully absenting oneself from a nagging wife and lots of importunate kids...
    :innocent:
    Anselmina wrote: »
    I can't believe everyone's ignoring the really important discussion. This is Cornwall! Cream or jam on the top of the Scone?!

    Jam on the TOP, as enny fule kno.
  • Martin54Martin54 Shipmate
    Ikzakerrly. I mean really, what is the fucking POINT of hiding the jam?
  • Meanwhile, back to the summit, and it seems as though Bozzymandias' desire to show off *Global Britain* in the blue skies and blazing sunshine of the uplands Cornish coast have been scuppered by suitably miserable weather.

    My sympathies are with Mr Biden, who has to endure *talks* with a man who is sometimes quite inarticulate...especially when he's being ticked off...
  • Meanwhile, back to the summit, and it seems as though Bozzymandias' desire to show off *Global Britain* in the blue skies and blazing sunshine of the uplands Cornish coast have been scuppered by suitably miserable weather.

    My sympathies are with Mr Biden, who has to endure *talks* with a man who is sometimes quite inarticulate...especially when he's being ticked off...

    In fairness, knowing in advance that the ambulatory haystack is not going to say anything of value Mr Biden can simply nod and smile while thinking about the dinner menu.
  • Mr Biden will no doubt get more sense out of the real Prime Minister...the one who has tidy hair...

    Let the reader understand.
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    Mr Biden will no doubt get more sense out of the real Prime Minister...the one who has tidy hair...

    Let the reader understand.

    Carrie?
  • Hugal wrote: »
    Mr Biden will no doubt get more sense out of the real Prime Minister...the one who has tidy hair...

    Let the reader understand.

    Carrie?

    The very same.
    :wink:
  • AnselminaAnselmina Shipmate
    :naughty:


    Anselmina wrote: »
    I can't believe everyone's ignoring the really important discussion. This is Cornwall! Cream or jam on the top of the Scone?!

    Jam on the TOP, as enny fule kno.

    Now I know I'm in Hell. And to think I used to like you!
  • Martin54Martin54 Shipmate
    One of the interesting things about the sausage war is that the EU doesn't allow chilled meat to be imported from a 3rd country, and, (this is the kicker), under WTO rules, cannot make exceptions, as then other countries can demand parity, under non-discrimination rules.

    Of course, the chilled meat rule is because of e coli, and other nasties. And N. Ireland is treated as a single market country. This is what the UK negotiated, isn't it? What seems very ironic is that it's WTO rules that are gumming up the works.

    So, which countries want to import chilled meat in to the EU with E. coli to taste? Filthy Norway? Filthy Switzerland?

    Be nice to the Unionists every one. That's what Good Friday is all about.
  • TelfordTelford Shipmate
    Just occasionally I manage to get some genuine German bratwurst.

    Would it be acceptable to send it to Northern Ireland without any checks ?
  • :lol:

    You'd probably be best advised to keep it for your own consumption, but it's a kind thought.
  • If you're an import/export business, you should be able to source bratwurst in Germany and have it shipped to NI for sale without any checks, if it's in a sealed container you could probably even ship it through the UK though there would be paperwork associated with that for entering and leaving mainland UK.

    If you import into the mainland UK and then process it (eg by repackaging it) and then ship it to NI you'd need to satisfy all the requirements of any exporter from a third nation into the EU.
  • Martin54Martin54 Shipmate
    No chilled meat can enter the Single Market under any circumstances, is my understanding, so such staple, cultural, symbolic British food cannot enter British Northern Ireland.

    Unionists don't like that. At all. With a long, hot, Orange summer looming.
  • It's caveat emptor* all the way down. No one who voted for it can complain, let alone people who drew up the rules, campaigned on it, won an election on it and then put it into law.


    (*Buyer beware)
  • FirenzeFirenze Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    Martin54 wrote: »
    No chilled meat can enter the Single Market under any circumstances, is my understanding, so such staple, cultural, symbolic British food cannot enter British Northern Ireland.

    Unionists don't like that. At all. With a long, hot, Orange summer looming.

    I'm seeing revised Lodge banners. The Mountjoy breaking a boom of pork links. King Billy crossing the Boyne brandishing a sausage. Carson and the Ulster Fry.
  • Or, as Lord Frost is currently doing, try to renegotiate the Northern Ireland Protocol that he originally negotiated all of 6 months ago.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited June 11
    Oh.

    Did he get it wrong, then?
    :flushed:

    How can such things be, in world-beating Global Britain?
  • TelfordTelford Shipmate
    I cannot understand why the people of Northern Ireland cannot make their own sausage and other meats
  • jay_emmjay_emm Shipmate
    Telford wrote: »
    I cannot understand why the people of Northern Ireland cannot make their own sausage and other meats
    They do (and I think export them). Southern Ireland even more so.
    And unlike us they can always import Bratwurst easily anyway.

    It's partly symbolic and the principle. Partly that the assymetry is bad for farmers on Albion and partly it cuts down choice.
  • Telford wrote: »
    I cannot understand why the people of Northern Ireland cannot make their own sausage and other meats

    Autarky can be a solution, but it's rarely an optimal one.
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    Telford wrote: »
    I cannot understand why the people of Northern Ireland cannot make their own sausage and other meats

    I think the problem is not so much an absolute sausage famine in NI. It's more that, funnily enough, existing suppliers based in Britain quite like producing for the market there. And some people in NI might have a taste for those particular products. It's not the worst thing to happen since the Potato Famine but it's a negative impact, which is wot we's talking 'bout here.

    It also takes time to start new sausage* making plants, so there will also potentially be short term availability issues.

    *other chilled meats are available.
  • I've been buying N. Ireland cooked ham for years, partly because it has no chemicals in it. They do make sausages.
  • chrisstileschrisstiles Shipmate
    I've been buying N. Ireland cooked ham for years, partly because it has no chemicals in it. They do make sausages.

    Though possibly not enough meat products in aggregate for local consumption. Apart from anything else; given the surprising prevalence of local butchers in Belfast I wouldn't be surprised if they ate somewhat more meat per head than the rest of the UK.
  • In any case, it's about free trade, isn't it? This is what Brexit is for, heavy sarcasm.
  • The Guardian cartoon, apropos the G7 summit, has Bozzymandias rolling about in the sand, shouting a new variant of the word *sausages*.

    https://theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2021/jun/11/martin-rowson-g7-boris-johnson-joe-biden-merkel-trudeau-macron-draghi-yoshihide-suga-cartoon

    You will note the might of Global Britain's Navy in the background...

    (BTW, nothing to do with Brexit, but I thought the Prime Minister looked very smart in the G7 photos. The pink dress suited her well, but why did she have to drag an overgrown, shambling schoolboy along with her? For the avoidance of doubt, this is satire.)
  • "Sausages" is just calling out for a Punch & Judy treatment
  • LouiseLouise Epiphanies Host
    edited June 12
    He's casting Johnson as the dog in the 1970s novelty item on 'That's Life' which could sort-of say 'sausages'.

    https://twitter.com/BBCArchive/status/1265232461119840256?s=19

    (1.22 for the sausages)

    This really makes me feel old that I know this!
  • Louise wrote: »
    He's casting Johnson as the dog in the 1970s novelty item on 'That's Life' which could sort-of say 'sausages'.

    https://twitter.com/BBCArchive/status/1265232461119840256?s=19

    (1.22 for the sausages)

    This really makes me feel old that I know this!

    I had a suspicion that I'd seen or heard this before! Yes, I am Of That Age, too...
  • AnselminaAnselmina Shipmate
    Telford wrote: »
    I cannot understand why the people of Northern Ireland cannot make their own sausage and other meats

    They do. The important point is; Can it be understood why fellow Britons in Northern Ireland would like to have the same choice in food* as those do on the Mainland, rather than docilely accept the prospect of a reduced menu? *(Or at least the same choices they used to have prior to Brexit - if not more?)

    A blast from the past! Geordie Best and his real family sitting down to a plate of home-made sassidges!
  • EirenistEirenist Shipmate
    Apparently the problem is a shortage of sausages on supermarket shelves. Tescos, Morrisons and the like find it more convenient to source meat products fin bulk from Britain rather than the Republic, which would no doubt mean an increased price. No doubt butchers' sausages are more expensive too.
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