RdrEmCofE, chill

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  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    RooK wrote: »
    RdrEmCofE wrote: »
    Written presumably with the underlying assumption that every septuagenarian, by reason of the age they have lived though and their obvious incapacity to understand "Modern Ways", must of course be a racist, a mental basket case, or a bigot. No prejudice going on here of course. No "ageism" or discrimination. Nooo.

    Interesting point. We have several people of such age among us who have none of those traits. So an implied requirement would probably be both false and ageism.

    However, in this case, I suspect that the intent was to give you an excuse. Sadly, that also likely runs afoul of ageism.

    Nah. I was just ripping the piss.

  • lilbuddhalilbuddha Shipmate
    KarlLB wrote: »
    I think given the length of RdrEtc.'s posts Rambling may be totally appropriate, as in Grandpa Simpson.
    Grandpa Simpson was entertaining and occasionally offered a lesson or salient point. The same cannot be said of the BlwhrdEmCofE.
  • lilbuddha wrote: »
    KarlLB wrote: »
    I think given the length of RdrEtc.'s posts Rambling may be totally appropriate, as in Grandpa Simpson.
    Grandpa Simpson was entertaining and occasionally offered a lesson or salient point. The same cannot be said of the BlwhrdEmCofE.

    Well, quite. I think RdrEmCoE needs a new hobby....

    (He may well riposte by querying my occasional interruption on this thread. Ill-health currently keeps me mostly indoors and immobile, hence my presence in the peanut gallery. Yes, I need a new hobby as well...).

    IJ

  • RooKRooK Admin Emeritus
    RdrEmCofE wrote: »
    Defense of 'modernist discriminatory prejudice' and false accusation, insult and calumny + personal abuse and name calling.

    Welcome to Hell.
    Some host you are.

    Ah, fool. I am not.
  • LydaLyda Shipmate
    Being able to tell the difference between a host and an admin plus what their roles are might be a useful bit of knowledge to hang onto.
  • Sound advice.

    Unless courting martyrdom, of course.

    IJ
  • lilbuddhalilbuddha Shipmate
    Sound advice.

    Unless courting martyrdom, of course.

    IJ
    1. He is a troll, but not a particularly clever one.
    2. He is a fool who has chased himself up a tree and is yipping at anyone who's noticed.
    3. He is genuinely stupid.
    Or a combination of them. The only option that is without censure is him being as stupid as he is acting.
  • sionisaissionisais Shipmate
    I take a week off to move home (very nearly complete) and in the meantime the shit hits the fan. An alleged former sailor* has been swishing about in all directions while that tiresome old tosspot Russ has been at it again. Or so it seems. Others have joined in. I think it must be the heat.

    It really is enough to make me weep. I'll be back when the weather breaks.

    *My old man did 39 years in the RAF, my father in law almost as many and my brothers too, so I have some idea about life in and around HM Forces. Most of those I have known, a few hundred all in, don't mouth off about it. I take a week off to move home and The Ship goes to hell.
  • lilbuddhalilbuddha Shipmate
    edited July 2018
    :joy: (Looking at his Purg thread) He's just got his hand slapped by Sir and is looking at the rest of the classroom telling them to behave. You've got to laugh.
  • lilbuddha wrote: »
    Sound advice.

    Unless courting martyrdom, of course.

    IJ
    1. He is a troll, but not a particularly clever one.
    2. He is a fool who has chased himself up a tree and is yipping at anyone who's noticed.
    3. He is genuinely stupid.
    Or a combination of them. The only option that is without censure is him being as stupid as he is acting.

    I'm feeling charitable (put it down to the effect of WHISKY), so I reckon 2. is about right.

    ITTWACW, so a Holy Fool is probably appropriate....

    IJ

  • O, and over in Purg, he's still arguing with Alan, so that reinforces my view that he is a Fool.

    IJ
  • LydaLyda Shipmate
    Could be worse. He could be arguing with RooK.
  • Well, he's proved himself so far to be such a Tosser and a Fuckwit that that's not outside the bounds of possibility.

    I hope.

    IJ
  • RdrEmCofE wrote: »

    That's not what I meant, and you know it and yes, it is your feet.

    Given that after you say something stupid you then turn round and claim you meant something else it's hard to know what the fuck you might mean at any given moment. The most likely explanation is that a range of possible meanings exist in a superposition of quantum states, waiting for you to put fingers to keyboard and reveal the one that makes you look like the most gaping of arseholes in that particular moment.
  • PigwidgeonPigwidgeon Shipmate
    edited July 2018
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  • lilbuddhalilbuddha Shipmate
    Pigwidgeon wrote: »
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    She wouldn't have needed a pitchfork for him, this would've done.
  • lilbuddha wrote: »
    Pigwidgeon wrote: »
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    She wouldn't have needed a pitchfork for him, this would've done.

    Sorry, lilbuddha, I had posted about missing Erin and fantasizing how she'd treat RdrEmCofE -- then I thought better of it. Apparently you posted while I was trying to delete my post. I like your fork!
  • Sound advice.

    Unless courting martyrdom, of course.

    IJ

    That would explain comparing himself with Jesus and St. Stephen (who was stoned to death).
  • RdrEmCofE--

    You've painted about 90 targets on yourself, you keep adding more, and you keep daring us to attack them.

    Maybe we should just ignore you.

    And maybe you should just shut up.
  • @RdrEmCofE I cannot do this on the Purgatory thread as it is against the rules of the Ship there, which is why I am saying this here. Over on the Purgatory thread, here, you have said
    RdrEmCofE wrote: »
    I'm dyslexic and slightly aspergers, I don't understand???? What is the joke?
    It has been obvious to me, and not just me, since the beginning of this thread, so before that thread in Purgatory on nicknames, that you have Asperger's. I work with a lot of young people on the autism spectrum, and I recognise the behaviours you are showing here. That has been why I have been trying to explain the way the Ship works clearly, because it can be a mystery to people with various forms of autism.

    A Purgatory thread is not a debate to be won; you do not have to answer everything that is said to you. I would say it is a bit like a discussion down the pub when people start chatting about something and everyone else gets a word in, or listens to someone who knows something about the subject, but people with Asperger's don't usually get that situation either.

    When I start a Purgatory thread, I am hoping for a discussion, to find out more about something that interests me, to find out what other Shipmates know and think and/or to crystallise ideas about something that has confused me, or piqued my interest¹. So I ask a question, or post some ideas and ask what others think. If that idea also piques the interest of other Shipmates, they will post, and we will ask each other more questions or discuss how that bit of the idea works for them.

    What I do not do is start a thread to try and make the other Shipmates agree with me. They almost certainly won't. I may well find my idea is wrong when I find out more about the topic. I do not respond to every post on the thread from other Shipmates, because they are not attacks on me, they are other people exploring the same idea. Often the thread wanders off in a direction that doesn't interest me, but interests other Shipmates, who keep the thread going where it has gone or dies because other Shipmates aren't interested. Neither is a problem or anything I need or want to change.

    ¹ well barring the time we debated whether law changes followed societal changes or vice versa when I was trying to prove a point to someone who is no longer with us, but he was someone else who had to answer everything point by point.
  • Good post, CK.
  • Yes indeed, and in view of CK's explanation, I withdraw the opprobrious epithets I used re RdrEmCoE earlier....

    I hope he reads, marks, learns, and inwardly digests what CK has said.

    IJ
  • finelinefineline Kerygmania Host, 8th Day Host
    @RdrEmCofE - ditto what Curiosity said, though I have been trying to explain things in your thread, so probably inadvertently did some junior hosting. Apologies to hosts.

    I also have Aspergers and I get how confusing the Ship is, more so than many other forum sites, because there is a lot of indirectness, and very different conventions for each forum (Hell, Purgatory, Heaven, etc.) and people can seem like different people in each one.

    I’ve been here quite a bit longer than you, and I still don’t fully get it (I try to answer everyone who posts in my threads too, because I don’t want anyone to feel ignored, and I forget I don’t own the thread as such!).

    But I’ve got the hang of it a bit, and my posts to you in your thread were trying to explain the conventions, trying to explain how you were (inadvertently) coming across, how you were (unintentionally) misreading people. They weren’t an attack on you. I actually don’t think most people are intending an attack or battle, but people have been getting frustrated with you and have been expressing their frustration in various ways. They are wanting to debate in the way Curiosity described - not to win, but to challenge, explore and express ideas.
  • mr cheesymr cheesy Shipmate
    There is a large amount of "telling off" in the Purgatory thread that doesn't seem normal.

    I don't think it is bad hosting, I think it is because @RdrEmCofE is for an unknown reason attempting to fight with the whole ship's company.

    Just discuss normally. If you can't do that, the stfu already. Stop assuming that you can control the conversation.
  • mr cheesymr cheesy Shipmate
    I'd also note that @RdrEmCofE has a pretty odd way of behaving here - first apparently spending a lot of time creating a complex theological argument for his posts and then subsequently throwing all of that out of the window - in order to, it seems, win points by getting others to admit they're bullying him. Or something.

    I can't make it out. Why do that?
  • @RdrEmCofE I cannot do this on the Purgatory thread as it is against the rules of the Ship there, which is why I am saying this here. Over on the Purgatory thread, here, you have said
    RdrEmCofE wrote: »
    I'm dyslexic and slightly aspergers, I don't understand???? What is the joke?
    It has been obvious to me, and not just me, since the beginning of this thread, so before that thread in Purgatory on nicknames, that you have Asperger's. I work with a lot of young people on the autism spectrum, and I recognise the behaviours you are showing here. That has been why I have been trying to explain the way the Ship works clearly, because it can be a mystery to people with various forms of autism.

    A Purgatory thread is not a debate to be won; you do not have to answer everything that is said to you. I would say it is a bit like a discussion down the pub when people start chatting about something and everyone else gets a word in, or listens to someone who knows something about the subject, but people with Asperger's don't usually get that situation either.

    When I start a Purgatory thread, I am hoping for a discussion, to find out more about something that interests me, to find out what other Shipmates know and think and/or to crystallise ideas about something that has confused me, or piqued my interest¹. So I ask a question, or post some ideas and ask what others think. If that idea also piques the interest of other Shipmates, they will post, and we will ask each other more questions or discuss how that bit of the idea works for them.

    What I do not do is start a thread to try and make the other Shipmates agree with me. They almost certainly won't. I may well find my idea is wrong when I find out more about the topic. I do not respond to every post on the thread from other Shipmates, because they are not attacks on me, they are other people exploring the same idea. Often the thread wanders off in a direction that doesn't interest me, but interests other Shipmates, who keep the thread going where it has gone or dies because other Shipmates aren't interested. Neither is a problem or anything I need or want to change.

    ¹ well barring the time we debated whether law changes followed societal changes or vice versa when I was trying to prove a point to someone who is no longer with us, but he was someone else who had to answer everything point by point.

    Curiosity killed has tried to explain what she (from much experience) believes to be the reason.

    I know that speculation about a Shipmate's personal details etc. is generally Taboo, but I think CK may be onto something.

    Apologies for the long quote, but it's a good post.

    IJ

  • finelinefineline Kerygmania Host, 8th Day Host
    I’m going to say something which may or may not have relevance here. When I was a teenager, and we learnt about sexism and racism at school, I didn’t believe it and it seemed a very harmful thing for people to be saying. I interpreted it as ‘If you don’t like a black person that means you are racist,’ and my reaction was ‘Hang on - can’t a black person be disliked because they are a not very nice person? This surely denies black people the right to have a personality, and being liked or disliked becomes a matter of skin colour.’

    Obviously (at least it is obvious to me now - a few decades later!) I was interpreting in a back-to-front way, and oblivious to the nuances. Also, I simply hadn’t seen racism happen - or if I had, it was too subtle for me to recognise. And also, until we learnt about racism, this division of people into skin colour was not something I’d thought about. I notice tiny geometrical details about people’s appearance - like the shapes of noses and mouths and jaws. I had difficulty even with the terms black and white, because I knew no one who was literally black or white - everyone was different shades. Combining some kind of shade distinction with power politics was beyond me.

    But because of learning about racism, I mentally went through everyone I knew and worked out if they were black or white, and then in my head they were separated. I didn’t like this. I became uncomfortable around black people after that (and this lasted several years) because I now knew they were black and I was white, and white people are racist against black people, so if I said anything that was interpreted as rude (which is all the time if you are on the autism spectrum!) I would be perceived as racist. (It might seem daft, but that was how I saw it and it made an already confusing world even scarier - especially as I got the impression this was a kind of taboo topic so I couldn’t talk about it.)

    It took me many years to understand that racism and sexism exist. Maybe partly because putting myself and others into big abstract categories is incredibly difficult for me, conceptually. I learnt these ‘-ism’s exist first by seeing concrete examples of them in practice, and then learning to recognise the more nuanced examples. It has taken a long time.

    I mention this in case it’s helpful. It occurred to me it might give insight into potential reasons why a person may be arguing (however misguidedly) that ‘political correctness’ is bad/stupid, and may have genuine difficulty seeing other perspectives. It may of course be totally irrelevant, in which case feel free to overlook. It is my experience alone and may not be anyone else’s.
  • LeRocLeRoc Shipmate
    I'm not convinced that what RdrEmCofE is doing isn't deliberate. But as has been said before on this thread, in the end it doesn't make much difference.
  • Not daft at all. It's all such a thorny thicket, isn't it? And for those on the autism spectrum (I'm slightly Aspie myself...), even thornier.

    :wink:

    IJ
  • LeRocLeRoc Shipmate
    It's all such a thorny thicket, isn't it?
    Not really. The Ship has dealt with this before, and I'm confident it will be able to deal with this again. In my estimation, either RdrEmCofE will be planked in a couple of weeks or he'll continue on board as a low-level nuisance. Neither option bothers me much.
  • EutychusEutychus Shipmate
    At no time that I'm aware of has any particular condition granted a licence for anybody to be persistently obstreperous here.
  • LeRoc wrote: »
    It's all such a thorny thicket, isn't it?
    Not really. The Ship has dealt with this before, and I'm confident it will be able to deal with this again. In my estimation, either RdrEmCofE will be planked in a couple of weeks or he'll continue on board as a low-level nuisance. Neither option bothers me much.

    By 'thorny thicket', I meant the difficulties fineline was referring to.

    But yes, this present bit of turbulence will soon pass and be forgotten.

    IJ

  • LeRocLeRoc Shipmate
    By 'thorny thicket', I meant the difficulties fineline was referring to.
    Ah, Ok.

  • No problem, but, judging by what's happening over on the Purg thread, the turbulence may be of much shorter duration than two weeks.....
    :fearful:

    IJ
  • finelinefineline Kerygmania Host, 8th Day Host
    edited July 2018
    I have not suggested any condition is licence for anything. Nor that there is no element of deliberateness here. Difficulty with social understanding simply means that deliberate attempts to goad or put people down are a lot more obvious, more misdirected, and less acceptable than if you are socially skilled, and more difficult to stop - and so a planking is more likely!

    I was demonstrating the thorniness that can be present in people’s minds. I kind of think that if said person could feel that people were getting where he was coming from, and could stop interpreting it as everyone dogpiling him and insisting he’s racist, he might relax and his way of expressing himself might be less obstreperous. Hence my various posts trying different ways of expressing this to him. Though I also think he’s unlikely to stop - he’s on a roll and stopping would be difficult. I also think he is seeing attempts to help as bullying. So not much to be done.
  • That pretty well sums it up, I think.

    Sad, but there it is. At least you've tried to help.....

    IJ
  • MrsBeakyMrsBeaky Shipmate
    You know what, fineline?
    Thank you for all the care you are taking in these discussions
    You are truly lovely
  • MrsBeaky wrote: »
    You know what, fineline?
    Thank you for all the care you are taking in these discussions
    You are truly lovely
    I second that!
  • EutychusEutychus Shipmate
    @fineline, for the sake of clarity I was responding to @Bishops Finger's post in particular.

    It's my view that @RdrEmCofE has been given more than enough opportunity for non-conflictual interaction on that thread and has for the most part ignored that opportunity in favour of identifying anything and everything that could conceivably be construed as conflictual to further inflame and obfuscate matters.
  • And, as enny fule kno, we must eschew obfuscation!
    :lol:

    (BTW, Eutychus, you are Sir Humphrey Appleby, and I claim my £5).

    IJ
  • finelinefineline Kerygmania Host, 8th Day Host
    Thanks, MrsBeaky and Nick Tamen. That is kind of you. :smile:

    Eutychus, thanks for clarifying. I wasn’t sure who it was addressed to, but did feel that my posts could be interpreted that way, so wanted to clarify too. Maybe a bit of a defensiveness on my part - I worry people might think I am demanding special treatment.

  • EutychusEutychus Shipmate
    For the record, I have never thought that.
  • mr cheesymr cheesy Shipmate
    There are people with Aspergers who think that this somehow shows something about the strength of their argument.

    But I'd hope that the vast majority of people here would be sympathetic to hear about the challenges without immediately thinking that all shipmates with Aspergers were asking for special treatment or being an arse.

    It is quite possible for individuals to be arses, with or without Aspergers.
  • Me neither. FWIW, there's no harm in trying to make things clear - life in general is difficult enough, no?

    IJ
  • (BTW, this Hell thread is much more civilised and polite than the thread over in Purg. How odd.)

    :confounded:

    IJ
  • finelinefineline Kerygmania Host, 8th Day Host
    Yes. It’s something I mention not for sympathy but because I see so much misunderstanding can happen and I like to do my bit to raise awareness in general. In the hopes of a society more understanding of difference. But yes, anyone can be an arse - having Aspergers doesn’t preclude that!
  • finelinefineline Kerygmania Host, 8th Day Host
    Ha, yes, I was just thinking this isn’t a very Hellish discussion!
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited July 2018
    I'm half-expecting an Angry Host to come along, and tell us to start swearing at each other!

    Perhaps it's because the subject of the thread is busy in Purg at the moment (demanding apologies from Me, amongst other things...)
    :wink:

    IJ
  • I'm not closing this one down, btw...
  • CaissaCaissa Shipmate
    I have a son with Asperger's and work with university students with Asperger's. The subtleties of social conventions and the ability to navigate social situations effectively are sometimes correlated with AS.
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