Martin54, shove it

https://forums.shipoffools.com/post/quote/916/Comment_86873

Shove your postmodern condescension up your arse. So many other occasions could be cited, but this will do.

I've had it. You aren't debating; you're pissing about, making out that you're the only person who is capable of looking beyond their immediate position. I'm perfectly aware of performance as an element in debate - it's called rhetoric. But your rhetoric is shallow and hollow. Other things may well be at work of which I know nothing, but you have broken my tolerance and this is the best way available to me of registering this fact, and boiling over in a reasonably controlled fashion.
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  • I’ve been thinking for a while that @Martin54 needs to stop posting when drunk. That’s when we get his wind ups across the boards, I think.
  • Or take more water with it.
  • finelinefineline Kerygmania Host, 8th Day Host
    The link leads to a comment box. Which thread is it from?
  • At least Mousethief's one-liners are mostly funny. Mostly.

    I remember Martin from before my decade long shore leave and I'm inclined to say "Who are you and what have you done with Martin?"

    A lot can happen to someone in ten years. It did to me. It's changed my posting style. I try to remember this.

    But yeah ... I get what the OP is trying to communicate.

    AFF
  • finelinefineline Kerygmania Host, 8th Day Host
    I found the post. It is here.
  • Martin's a drunk? I don't think that really explains much. Many people get drunk and are committed drunkards. Not all post when drunk, Not all foist their nonsense on others when drunk. Nice drunks go to bed and sleep it off. It takes a special kind of drunk to do what Marty Farty does. There's another diagnosis involved, it might be anatomical in description.
  • Hadn't touched a drop. That's Friday nights. Thunderbunk. What can I say. Your... cut... rhetoric doesn't convince. NO... yours is more complex. On a mainly different spectrum to mine. And T. I suggest you hoist me with my own inadequate petard.
  • LydaLyda Shipmate
    At least Mousethief's one-liners are mostly funny. Mostly.

    I remember Martin from before my decade long shore leave and I'm inclined to say "Who are you and what have you done with Martin?"

    A lot can happen to someone in ten years. It did to me. It's changed my posting style. I try to remember this.

    But yeah ... I get what the OP is trying to communicate.

    AFF
    No kidding. His is the biggest change of anyone on the Old Ship other than Andreas/Andrew/(?), who went from being a holier-than-thou Orthodox to an atheist in a microsecond after reading one book. I nearly got whiplash watching that one.

    But Martin's posting style hasn't changed much with his change of theology. Many people regret that.

  • Aye, leopards, spots.
  • LydaLyda Shipmate
    edited November 2018
    Also, Martin, if you can get a copy, read Tattoos on the Heart by Father Greg Boyle. He started a tremendous program in Los Angeles called Homeboy Industries to help people get out of gangs. It is a huge success! I don't know what he is paid but it can't be enough.

    ETA: The book is an excellent read, interesting, funny, and heart-breaking.

    ETA again!- This belongs on the Snowflake thread- sorry!
  • There is a great On Being interview of Greg.
  • LydaLyda Shipmate
    Thanks, mr cheesy.
  • Lyda, read you with that understanding. There is hope I know. Oasis in S. London are reaching out in all directions.
  • If this is turning into a book recommendation thread, @Martin54 push all other books aside and take up Till We Have Faces.

    I'm just rereading it and it keeps making me think of you. Poor Orual trying to reconcile rationalism and the numinous, trapped between those on one side and those on the other. As one reviewer has it
    Like any good Stoic, the Fox understands the importance of civil religion; but he has no grasp of the sheer power of Ungit, and this is a severe defect in his otherwise excellent teaching
  • That's been on my reading list for decades. Now at the top. Working my way to Anathem.
  • I shouldn't admit this in Hell, but the link in the OP goes (in my browser) to a reply I forgot to post.

    Yeh, I know.

    So I too had a problem with that, but (water under the bridge and all that) I don't think I'll continue with that.

    But it needs to be pointed out that the allegation of drunk posting was the first reply to the OP and not Thunderbunk.
  • https://forums.shipoffools.com/post/quote/916/Comment_86873

    Shove your postmodern condescension up your arse.
    Ah, so that's what it's supposed to be! But I thought post-modernism died out a decade ago.
  • I rise to the defence of Martin.

    There are two types of people in the world (three sir).

    There are three types of people in the world: People who are arseholes all the time but don't know it, and people who are arseholes every now and again and know it, and who try to resist their foul urges. Martin is in the second category.

    I don't know whether the allegation that Martin drinks the fresh blood of a goat to maintain his mental functions is true or not. I have no opinion on the subject. What I see are words on the screen of my computer and an avatar. And god damn it, I like the avatar.
  • It's true. From the living jugular through frozen vodka cubes welded to my incisors at -114 C - Bloody Martin
  • Martin54 wrote: »
    It's true. From the living jugular through frozen vodka cubes welded to my incisors at -114 C - Bloody Martin

    Oh aye, yeah, sure.
  • Mark Betts wrote: »
    https://forums.shipoffools.com/post/quote/916/Comment_86873

    Shove your postmodern condescension up your arse.
    Ah, so that's what it's supposed to be! But I thought post-modernism died out a decade ago.

    We've moved on to post-everythingism .
  • balaam wrote: »
    We've moved on to post-everythingism .
    Oh yes, like "Post Truth" - The only truth is that nothing is true, except what I just said (or something) - aren't you glad we're so enlightened now! :expressionless:

  • Nope.

    The idea of there is nothing is true is post-modern.

    PM has not been rejected, it has been expanded to everything else. People have gone through PM and come out the other side.

    But all this has nothing to do with M54's posting style, or yours and mine for that matter. It could be a Purgatory subject if you want to discuss it.
  • I thought the M54 was a motorway in Shropshire. But, if we cannot know for certain what's true, it might not be. (Which could be a bit confusing for those driving along it).
  • balaam wrote: »
    Nope.

    The idea of there is nothing is true is post-modern.

    PM has not been rejected, it has been expanded to everything else. People have gone through PM and come out the other side.

    But all this has nothing to do with M54's posting style, or yours and mine for that matter. It could be a Purgatory subject if you want to discuss it.

    You do realise that you are just stating your own opinions don't you? Yes, I think you are right about my definition, but the rest is not universally agreed at all.
  • I got it from elsewhere, thought about it, and agreed with it.

    Whereas your " I thought post-modernism died out a decade ago" is universally accepted?

    Stop talking out of your arse, your breath stinks.

  • balaam wrote: »
    I got it from elsewhere, thought about it, and agreed with it.

    Whereas your " I thought post-modernism died out a decade ago" is universally accepted?

    Stop talking out of your arse, your breath stinks.

    Because you agreed with it doesn't make it fact does it? You must have a high opinion of yourself.
  • That you said that post-modernism had died out doesn't make it fact does it? You must have double standards?
  • Mark BettsMark Betts Shipmate
    edited December 2018
    balaam wrote: »
    That you said that post-modernism had died out doesn't make it fact does it? You must have double standards?

    I suppose not. Perhaps you'd like to re-phrase your post, making it clear that what you were saying was your opinions rather than concrete fact. That way, no-one can be accused of having double standards and we can all be happy - and set a good example to Martin54 as well. What could be better?
  • RooKRooK Admin Emeritus
    Perhaps you are an acrimonious fuckstard who attempts to rile up trifles for the sake of venting their pent-up frustrations - completely oblivious to the likelihood that most of their frustrations are derived from their fundamental acrimonious fuckstardedness.
  • balaam wrote: »
    I got it from elsewhere, thought about it, and agreed with it.

    Whereas your " I thought post-modernism died out a decade ago" is universally accepted?

    Stop talking out of your arse, your breath stinks.

    Why don't you offer his arse a mint?
  • LydaLyda Shipmate
    Ew. I can't unsee that. :frowning:
  • Mark Betts wrote: »
    balaam wrote: »
    That you said that post-modernism had died out doesn't make it fact does it? You must have double standards?

    I suppose not. Perhaps you'd like to re-phrase your post, making it clear that what you were saying was your opinions rather than concrete fact. That way, no-one can be accused of having double standards and we can all be happy - and set a good example to Martin54 as well. What could be better?

    You're setting a perfect example already Mark...
  • I would just like to add here, Martin54 - shove it.
  • Bless
  • The thing is SC, there's an unbridgable gulf of alienation here and I've added to it by that word and I'm sorry. I'm similarly troubled by what's going on in Purgatory too. Which is the only place I have for exploring the God who thinks matter.
  • Martin you are getting boring would you mind reading another theologian please!
  • Martin54Martin54 Shipmate
    edited December 2018
    That would be me JJ. Can you recommend any better?
  • Jengie JonJengie Jon Shipmate
    edited December 2018
    Looking reading your own books is navel gauzing I thought not even you were capable of. Practically reading anyone else regardless of their quality would be an improvement. The same would go if you were one of the great theologians.
  • I assume we're taking "theologian" with a small 't'.
  • Jengie Jon wrote: »
    navel gauzing
    Someone spill hot coffee on their tummy or something?

  • Navel gauzing: the activity of pulling lint from one's navel.

    AFF

  • Navel gauzing: the activity of pulling lint from one's navel.

    AFF

    More useful than Martin's objectively pointless maunderings about objectivity.
  • Bows.
  • Jengie Jon wrote: »
    Looking reading your own books is navel gauzing I thought not even you were capable of. Practically reading anyone else regardless of their quality would be an improvement. The same would go if you were one of the great theologians.

    JJ, there is nothing new under the sun. Late in life I'm trying to get used to an all but for the Jesus myth deist transcendent meta-infinitely immanent all but for incarnating non-interventionist impassible meta-eternal God.
  • Martin54 wrote: »
    Jengie Jon wrote: »
    Looking reading your own books is navel gauzing I thought not even you were capable of. Practically reading anyone else regardless of their quality would be an improvement. The same would go if you were one of the great theologians.

    JJ, there is nothing new under the sun. Late in life I'm trying to get used to an all but for the Jesus myth deist transcendent meta-infinitely immanent all but for incarnating non-interventionist impassible meta-eternal God.

    I just read that sentence out loud and laughed.

    As in most scenery-chewing drama, some lines can be written but never spoken.

    AFF
  • Second curtain.
  • I am higher than a kite in a high wind right now, thanks to some lovely and potent edible marijuana...and suddenly things that Martin has said make complete sense! What the hell? Maybe to understand some people, the other people have to be drunk or stoned? After I come down from all of this (five more hours to go, probably), Martin's post's will once again annoy me and seem complete gibberish.

    However, most people are quite annoyed at Martin and I don't want to get caught in the crossfire so I'll just go eat some raw purple cabbage. Toodle Ooo!
  • I'll just go eat some raw purple cabbage.

    You say that as if it’s a whacky thing to do. Not at all round here. Once a week we have potato pie, mushy peas and red cabbage - potato pie cannot be eaten without it!

    It’s also typical party food round here.
  • Well, but raw? Do you eat raw cabbage as a snack?
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