No, her [sic] and Mousethief hated the Russians long before they joined the Constantinople Patriarchate, as you ought to know, I certainly know - see the above post. They are converts, who accuse others of having "convertitis".
The wise man speaks of what he knows. The fool makes up shit to feed his prejudices. --Proverbs 98:6.
Taking the Lord's name in vain and using foul language. Speaks for itself, doesn't it?
"Thou hypocrite!"
'Shit' is just English for what St. Paul called σκύβαλα (skúbala).
Mr. Betts, I had my doubts about you already, based on the independent reading I've done on the Russian Orthodox vs Ukrainian Orthodox. They are doubts no longer. When you smear someone like Josephine the way you have today, you are not coming from a place of love (to put it mildly). I'll keep reading about the Orthodoxen, but I no longer feel as though I need to give you the benefit of the doubt. You're a troll.
Mr. Betts, I had my doubts about you already, based on the independent reading I've done on the Russian Orthodox vs Ukrainian Orthodox. They are doubts no longer. When you smear someone like Josephine the way you have today, you are not coming from a place of love (to put it mildly). I'll keep reading about the Orthodoxen, but I no longer feel as though I need to give you the benefit of the doubt. You're a troll.
Perhaps you need your reading glasses - I retracted some of what I said, as it is more about her spouse, Mousethief.
Mr. Betts, I had my doubts about you already, based on the independent reading I've done on the Russian Orthodox vs Ukrainian Orthodox. They are doubts no longer. When you smear someone like Josephine the way you have today, you are not coming from a place of love (to put it mildly). I'll keep reading about the Orthodoxen, but I no longer feel as though I need to give you the benefit of the doubt. You're a troll.
Perhaps you need your reading glasses - I retracted some of what I said, as it is more about her spouse, Mousethief.
Mr. Betts, I had my doubts about you already, based on the independent reading I've done on the Russian Orthodox vs Ukrainian Orthodox. They are doubts no longer. When you smear someone like Josephine the way you have today, you are not coming from a place of love (to put it mildly). I'll keep reading about the Orthodoxen, but I no longer feel as though I need to give you the benefit of the doubt. You're a troll.
Perhaps you need your reading glasses - I retracted some of what I said, as it is more about her spouse, Mousethief.
I meant it's true that you are a hypocrite, but I don't expect you to ever acknowledge that. You would be in a better place if you did.
Ah, the tu quoque death spiral. How quaint. I have never denied that I am a hypocrite. If you actually read what I wrote rather than what you think I write (or what you want me to have written) you would know that.
You continue to lie about me and my beliefs. Lie. TELL LIES. You continue to bear false witness against me. And yet you have the nerve to tell me what would put me in a better place. Some people, I suppose, serve as role models, and some people show us what to avoid. But as long as you don't use naughty words, I suppose it's okay to lie through your teeth about another Shipmate. Schlaf gut.
Mr. Betts, mousethief and I have an understanding that we don't participate in the same Hell thread. It just wouldn't be fair to the likes of you. So I'm going to go pour myself some egg nog (it's too chilly for a Mousethief Cooler), and watch what happens here.
I meant it's true that you are a hypocrite, but I don't expect you to ever acknowledge that. You would be in a better place if you did.
Ah, the tu quoque death spiral. How quaint. I have never denied that I am a hypocrite. If you actually read what I wrote rather than what you think I write (or what you want me to have written) you would know that.
You continue to lie about me and my beliefs. Lie. TELL LIES. You continue to bear false witness against me. And yet you have the nerve to tell me what would put me in a better place. Some people, I suppose, serve as role models, and some people show us what to avoid. But as long as you don't use naughty words, I suppose it's okay to lie through your teeth about another Shipmate. Schlaf gut.
You are a liar Mousethief. You make snide remarks, then try to deny you meant what you obviously did mean. You are a very intelligent person, probably more so than me, but that doesn't make you a Godly person, nor even a very nice person. But it isn't me who will ultimately judge you.
When I want your opinion on how godly I am, Mark Betts, I will ask for it. It is presumptuous and rude in the extreme to threaten me, however implicitly, with hell-fire, and speak to the condition of my soul. Good day, sir.
I'm not saying it'll ruin Christmas if I have to log on to the Ship just to check on the inmates, but it will assuredly be using time I'd be otherwise spending with family.
When I want your opinion on how godly I am, Mark Betts, I will ask for it. It is presumptuous and rude in the extreme to threaten me, however implicitly, with hell-fire, and speak to the condition of my soul. Good day, sir.
Well you need to read my posts more carefully - because I never actually stated how godly you were. Nor did I threated you. I also am aware that ALL OF US will be judged, me included. But I will remind you that Pride is the worst sin of all.
So you're not interested in reading what one of your own most renowned Metropolitans has to say? No, I thought not - selective reading.
What makes you think I haven't read it? The fact that I don't see the need to respond to you?
OK - so you most likely disregarded it.
I disregarded YOU, you twerp. Not Metropolitan Kallistos. YOU.
I have better things to do than to argue with an arrogant, ill-tempered, discourteous man-child who is so full of himself that he'll have no room for his Christmas dinner tomorrow.
So you're not interested in reading what one of your own most renowned Metropolitans has to say? No, I thought not - selective reading.
What makes you think I haven't read it? The fact that I don't see the need to respond to you?
OK - so you most likely disregarded it.
I disregarded YOU, you twerp. Not Metropolitan Kallistos. YOU.
I have better things to do than to argue with an arrogant, ill-tempered, discourteous man-child who is so full of himself that he'll have no room for his Christmas dinner tomorrow.
Well you're a fine one to talk I must say. Lots of people seem to fawn over you, but I can't think for the life of me why. I know why you won't comment on Metropolitan Kallistos - it's because he'll show you that you are wrong, but we can't have that now, can we? Enjoy your Christmas dinner tomorrow, while I wait for Christmas proper.
Mr. Betts, mousethief and I have an understanding that we don't participate in the same Hell thread. It just wouldn't be fair to the likes of you. So I'm going to go pour myself some egg nog (it's too chilly for a Mousethief Cooler), and watch what happens here.....
I know why you won't comment on Metropolitan Kallistos.
Oh, dear. I was wrong. I said that I didn't comment because I have better things to do than to argue with an arrogant, ill-tempered, discourteous man-child who is so full of himself that he'll have no room for his Christmas dinner tomorrow. To be more accurate, I should have said that I didn't comment because I have better things to do than to argue with an arrogant, ill-tempered, discourteous man-child who is so full of himself that he'll have no room for his fasting supper tomorrow.
I know why you won't comment on Metropolitan Kallistos.
Oh, dear. I was wrong. I said that I didn't comment because I have better things to do than to argue with an arrogant, ill-tempered, discourteous man-child who is so full of himself that he'll have no room for his Christmas dinner tomorrow. To be more accurate, I should have said that I didn't comment because I have better things to do than to argue with an arrogant, ill-tempered, discourteous man-child who is so full of himself that he'll have no room for his fasting supper tomorrow.
I'm not saying it'll ruin Christmas if I have to log on to the Ship just to check on the inmates, but it will assuredly be using time I'd be otherwise spending with family.
More Americans are in denial about Die Hard's status as a Christmas movie than are in denial about the current POTUS's abilities? Dear God. I knew this country was going to hell in a handbasket, but that's depressing.
What, we're supposed to be gobsmacked by the Incarnation? Isn't it all about Rickman's spirit of adultery in another Xmas fillum too? The bastard. Hurting Emma Thompson.
Back to MB. I attacked his English on the Ukraine thread, in which he made bizarre and unsubstantiated allegations about mousthief, using third rate English, as that was representative of his 'style' on the thread in which he also criticized other's English. All of that meant that He had nothing rational to say about the Orthodox crisis by analogy either: I didn't like his hat.
Well, bit of a double-whammy there: @Mark Betts is generally incapable of introspection or perspective, while you, @Martin54, are a great fumbler of attempted allegory. While nobody is surprised that Unmarked Butts failed to recognize a reflection of his own errors, surely you are also accustomed to people not getting whatever the fuck it is you're on about at any given moment.
Are you sure that his butt is unmarked? I thought that apart from a few cane marks still there from his school days, he would, at the very least, have had a rather fetching tattoo of a red star. Only speculation of course, no direct knowledge.
As 'abuse' is better than neglect, thank you RooK. Indeed, no matter how obvious I blindly think I'm being, I'm not. Is my point made, about Mark's solecisms as an analogy of his pro-Russian irrationality?
As 'abuse' is better than neglect, thank you RooK. Indeed, no matter how obvious I blindly think I'm being, I'm not. Is my point made, about Mark's solecisms as an analogy of his pro-Russian irrationality?
What actually do you mean? That somehow being a grammar nazi is related to being a supporter of Russia?
I mean that Mark is an incoherent grammar Nazi - I don't like his hat - and that is his rhetoric style in all matters - but he's not wearing one - including His defense of Russian Orthodoxy - but if he were I wouldn't like it. If he took responsibility for his grammar he might have something to say. But he can't for other reasons.
Martin, do you mean Mark's default style is pedantry, where he gets so absorbed in 'correcting' irrelevant details that he completely neglects the essence of the topic? Whether in grammar or Orthodoxy? And that even his pedantry is often wrong? That's how I see it.
As in something like this, to give an illustration:
Mark B: Bananas are better than oranges.
Person A: Actually, oranges have some advantages over bananas, for reasons a, b and c.
Mark B: Haha, you forgot to put a full stop after a and b.
Person A: Yeah, they don't need full stops, because they're not the end of the sentence.
Mark B: You said 'Yeah' and it should be 'yes'! You don't know English. Tee hee! I'm better than you!
Person A: Er... well, back to bananas and oranges.
Mark B: You need to say sorry for saying 'yeah' instead of 'yes'!
This is how the majority of that Ukraine thread read to me. Very glad it was closed.
Martin, do you mean Mark's default style is pedantry, where he gets so absorbed in 'correcting' irrelevant details that he completely neglects the essence of the topic? Whether in grammar or Orthodoxy? And that even his pedantry is often wrong? That's how I see it.
As in something like this, to give an illustration:
Mark B: Bananas are better than oranges.
Person A: Actually, oranges have some advantages over bananas, for reasons a, b and c.
Mark B: Haha, you forgot to put a full stop after a and b.
Person A: Yeah, they don't need full stops, because they're not the end of the sentence.
Mark B: You said 'Yeah' and it should be 'yes'! You don't know English. Tee hee! I'm better than you!
Person A: Er... well, back to bananas and oranges.
Mark B: You need to say sorry for saying 'yeah' instead of 'yes'!
This is how the majority of that Ukraine thread read to me. Very glad it was closed.
Nice finline. But I must apologise to all for being a large contributor to the thread's demise. It is an important one. The Russian Orthodox Church has failed to transcend nationalism and helped precipitate the Ukrainian Orthodox' (I'm pushing the boat out with that apostrophe I realise). It seems that Greek Orthodoxy schizophrenically recognizes the latter but loves the power of the former. Does that have any milage? And the spell-checker is wrong to criticize me there. The Times uses milage not the redundant mileage. Or it should do as it bravely uses agist and doesn't mean pasture.
Are you wanting to discuss grammar or the Orthodox Church here, Martin? I know more about the former than the latter, though have never seen 'milage.' I wonder if it is the American spelling, as with 'ageing' (UK) v 'aging' (US - and The Times?).
Though, no, I have just checked the OED, and it is originally an American word, and spelt 'mileage' in both the UK and the US. It has in the past sometimes been spelt 'milage' though, as a variant spelling. But it was originally 'mileage' and remains so. However, I don't know enough about the Orthodox church to know if what you say has any mileage or milage.
...and helped precipitate the Ukrainian Orthodox' (I'm pushing the boat out with that apostrophe I realise)...
Don't you mean "that possessive comma?" Seriously, I'm no master of the English language, I only respond when someone starts having a go at my grammar. I never said anything about your writing style, but you had to stick your oar in.
Mark. You don't need to respond. It is quite possible, if someone corrects your grammar, to ignore them and return to topic. Or even to acknowledge, 'Oh, yes, I wrote that wrong,' and return to topic. You are under no obligation to start looking for errors they may have made. Discussions are not some weird retaliation game. You are an adult, and as such, you can make mature decisions. You are not a reactive toddler with no impulse control.
...and helped precipitate the Ukrainian Orthodox' (I'm pushing the boat out with that apostrophe I realise)...
Don't you mean "that possessive comma?" Seriously, I'm no master of the English language, I only respond when someone starts having a go at my grammar. I never said anything about your writing style, but you had to stick your oar in.
Nope. I mean apostrophe. Or possessive apostrophe. A , isn,t an '.
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I know it's true - but do you? I suspect not.
Oh good. You KNOW you're making stuff up and lying about me. Glad you admitted it. Big of you.
I meant it's true that you are a hypocrite, but I don't expect you to ever acknowledge that. You would be in a better place if you did.
Modernist. It's Mary Poppins here.
I'd easily watch Mary Poppins a hundred times over Love Actually.
If I never saw the latter again, I could die happy.
I love my family,but that was a cruel and unusual punishment.
Dickhead.
Merry Christmas everyone else.
Same to you - merry Christmas pal
Ah, the tu quoque death spiral. How quaint. I have never denied that I am a hypocrite. If you actually read what I wrote rather than what you think I write (or what you want me to have written) you would know that.
You continue to lie about me and my beliefs. Lie. TELL LIES. You continue to bear false witness against me. And yet you have the nerve to tell me what would put me in a better place. Some people, I suppose, serve as role models, and some people show us what to avoid. But as long as you don't use naughty words, I suppose it's okay to lie through your teeth about another Shipmate. Schlaf gut.
I suspect I'll enjoy it more than you will.
You are a liar Mousethief. You make snide remarks, then try to deny you meant what you obviously did mean. You are a very intelligent person, probably more so than me, but that doesn't make you a Godly person, nor even a very nice person. But it isn't me who will ultimately judge you.
Feel free to continue this on Boxing Day.
Well you need to read my posts more carefully - because I never actually stated how godly you were. Nor did I threated you. I also am aware that ALL OF US will be judged, me included. But I will remind you that Pride is the worst sin of all.
Goodnight.
Suckers. It's Die Hard here.
(scroll down to fifth section)
I disregarded YOU, you twerp. Not Metropolitan Kallistos. YOU.
I have better things to do than to argue with an arrogant, ill-tempered, discourteous man-child who is so full of himself that he'll have no room for his Christmas dinner tomorrow.
Well you're a fine one to talk I must say. Lots of people seem to fawn over you, but I can't think for the life of me why. I know why you won't comment on Metropolitan Kallistos - it's because he'll show you that you are wrong, but we can't have that now, can we? Enjoy your Christmas dinner tomorrow, while I wait for Christmas proper.
So much for this sanctimonious rubbish.
We decided to make an exception, just for you.
Actually I have better things to do. Merry Christmas.
Sorry. I missed this.
<closes door quietly>
@josephine and @mousethief, may you each have a blessed Christmas. You too, @Doc Tor and @RooK. See you all on Boxing Day.
(peers inside)
(quietly closes door and tiptoes away...)
... sees it's just the dog, sniffing the tinsel, licking up the crumbs from the carpet, and lifting his leg against the Xmas tree...
(quietly closes door and tiptoes away...)
More Americans are in denial about Die Hard's status as a Christmas movie than are in denial about the current POTUS's abilities? Dear God. I knew this country was going to hell in a handbasket, but that's depressing.
@Mark Betts is generally incapable of introspection or perspective, while you, @Martin54, are a great fumbler of attempted allegory. While nobody is surprised that Unmarked Butts failed to recognize a reflection of his own errors, surely you are also accustomed to people not getting whatever the fuck it is you're on about at any given moment.
What actually do you mean? That somehow being a grammar nazi is related to being a supporter of Russia?
If so, that's a spectacular stretch even for you.
As in something like this, to give an illustration:
Mark B: Bananas are better than oranges.
Person A: Actually, oranges have some advantages over bananas, for reasons a, b and c.
Mark B: Haha, you forgot to put a full stop after a and b.
Person A: Yeah, they don't need full stops, because they're not the end of the sentence.
Mark B: You said 'Yeah' and it should be 'yes'! You don't know English. Tee hee! I'm better than you!
Person A: Er... well, back to bananas and oranges.
Mark B: You need to say sorry for saying 'yeah' instead of 'yes'!
This is how the majority of that Ukraine thread read to me. Very glad it was closed.
Nice finline. But I must apologise to all for being a large contributor to the thread's demise. It is an important one. The Russian Orthodox Church has failed to transcend nationalism and helped precipitate the Ukrainian Orthodox' (I'm pushing the boat out with that apostrophe I realise). It seems that Greek Orthodoxy schizophrenically recognizes the latter but loves the power of the former. Does that have any milage? And the spell-checker is wrong to criticize me there. The Times uses milage not the redundant mileage. Or it should do as it bravely uses agist and doesn't mean pasture.
Though, no, I have just checked the OED, and it is originally an American word, and spelt 'mileage' in both the UK and the US. It has in the past sometimes been spelt 'milage' though, as a variant spelling. But it was originally 'mileage' and remains so. However, I don't know enough about the Orthodox church to know if what you say has any mileage or milage.
Nope. I mean apostrophe. Or possessive apostrophe. A , isn,t an '.