Feeling a bit concerned now because I eat raw cabbage, prefer it to cooked, and I often enjoy and at least semi-understand Martin’s posts! My sister did once warn me to never try marijuana because my mind is already so weird I’d go totally bonkers, so maybe this is what she meant! I never have tried it.
I am higher than a kite in a high wind right now, thanks to some lovely and potent edible marijuana...and suddenly things that Martin has said make complete sense! What the hell? Maybe to understand some people, the other people have to be drunk or stoned? After I come down from all of this (five more hours to go, probably), Martin's post's will once again annoy me and seem complete gibberish.
However, most people are quite annoyed at Martin and I don't want to get caught in the crossfire so I'll just go eat some raw purple cabbage. Toodle Ooo!
No beets for me. Ugh. The other day a Seattle friend texted me that he was making borsht. I told him I hated beets, wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole. He then proceeded to regale (actually it disgusted me more...) me with his love of borsht.
Raw cabbage, raw broccoli, raw carrots, cauliflower, even a small piece of raw potato...mmmmm.
Quite Mark. For the sake of the regiment, if it were mere group ritual, I would re-align. But once the light of eternity shines, how can one pretend that it has not? As for minds immeasurably superior to mine with glowing credentials, the bigger they are the bigger their cognitive bias. Pace IngoB. Whose came no bigger. Polkinghorne had none visible, but only because I didn't dare ask him in the car park.
Aha - now I see it- H. G. Wells/Jeff Wayne - War of the Worlds, ie. Science Fiction. Is that where you get your "rational facts" from? Same place as L. Ron Hubbard for his "Church" of Scientology.
No Mark. I get them from thinking rationally. From going with the fact (Jor-El?) of eternity wherever it leads. I've read the entire SF canon of course. The closest to my rationality to date is Baxter. A fine fantasist. The best is Le Guin.
Hmmm, I think Brando as Jor-El's fact was eternal life. In fact I know it was. Eternity per se is the fact. None factier. Within which God cannot be finite in any degree. Including incarnation. That's a rational fact that follows from 1 eternity 2 divine incarnation.
No Mark. I get them from thinking rationally. From going with the fact (Jor-El?) of eternity wherever it leads. I've read the entire SF canon of course. The closest to my rationality to date is Baxter. A fine fantasist. The best is Le Guin.
There's nothing wrong with liking Sci-fi - I enjoy some of it. C. S. Lewis wrote a Sci-Fi trilogy - The Space Trilogy, which not a lot of people know about - full of biblical analogy, as you would expect, but an enjoyable and interesting read.
Lewis: “My people have a law never to speak much of sizes or numbers to you others, not even to Sorns. You do not understand, and it makes you do reverence to nothings and pass by what is really great.”
Things were getting on ok around here before you, Mark Betts, started posting passive-aggressive (and sometimes aggressive-aggressive) drivel-tangentially-related-to-Orthodoxy and until you, Martin, returned to posting cryptic crossword clues mascarading as intelligent thought.
We want discussions about substantive issues, not fights over punctuation in Purgatory. How hard is that to understand?
Would you like me to pass it through a gobbledegook filter for you, Martin?
Things were getting on ok around here before you, Mark Betts, started posting passive-aggressive (and sometimes aggressive-aggressive) drivel-tangentially-related-to-Orthodoxy and until you, Martin, returned to posting cryptic crossword clues mascarading as intelligent thought.
We want discussions about substantive issues, not fights over punctuation in Purgatory. How hard is that to understand?
Would you like me to pass it through a gobbledegook filter for you, Martin?
Bless. There was nothing cryptic there Sweetheart.
Which won't help I know, but it might just provoke you to good works. You know, you might actually take some personal responsibility for your helpless, blameless feelings. I suspect not. And I'm sorry. All round. Let's see. A good starting point would be you taking responsibility for your misunderstanding. From my fractured perspective.
Nobody knows what the hell you are posting, Martin. Other than playing some game where you try to see whether anyone else has the faintest inkling of what the fuck you are talking about, what's the point?
...and helped precipitate the Ukrainian Orthodox' (I'm pushing the boat out with that apostrophe I realise)...
Don't you mean "that possessive comma?" Seriously, I'm no master of the English language, I only respond when someone starts having a go at my grammar. I never said anything about your writing style, but you had to stick your oar in.
Nope. I mean apostrophe. Or possessive apostrophe. A , isn,t an '.
I don't care - maybe you are right. The real point is, why did you have to stick your oar in, in the first place?
I don't care - maybe you are right. The real point is, why did you have to stick your oar in, in the first place?
So far as I can tell, the first person to take that Ukraine thread down a 'use of language' tangent was you, in a rather nasty comment here*.
You continued in similar vein with posts such as this one and this one, and several other posters were stupid enough to pursue the linguistic tangent, all before @Martin54 first contributed to the tangent, here, having previously commented on topic.
The real question is: why do you act in such a puerile fashion instead of staying on topic yourself and simply ignoring irrelevancies?
So far as I can tell, the first person to take that Ukraine thread down a 'use of language' tangent was you, in a rather nasty comment here*.
I think I know which post you are talking about - and it wasn't unprovoked. This guy was trying to make out he had some sort of mastery of the English language (superior to mine anyhow) which he obviously hadn't (24/12/18 9.06 pm) - but the animosity started long before that comment. In any case he was wrong, because the word 'Roman' was referenced to the OED by Fineline.
I'm only nasty in response to nastiness - but I acknowledge that in Purgatory it's better to just ignore.
Take it from me, on a site on which several members' day jobs pay them to write correct English - me being one of them - grammar nazism is not something you're going to win on. I've refrained from correcting your spelling and punctuation - including errors you haven't been pulled up on so far - because a) I have better things to do with my time b) I take the view that content is more important than form, and anybody nit-picking over the latter has lost the argument concerning the former.
And if you can't find any better response to perceived nastiness than being nasty in return, you still have some growing up to do.
Mark Betts, please reread that comment by me, where I referenced the OED, in its entirety, and several times over, so that you can see the points I was making. It certainly wasn't the 'kmann is wrong and doesn't know English - Mark Betts is right and wins the internet on Christmas day!' type thing you seemed to interpret it as. Your response to my post at the time was rude and childish, particularly as I'd tried to word my points fairly and kindly to you, and informally, so not a host post telling you off. And on Christmas day, when it would be nice if people took a break from being wankers.
Your response to my post at the time was rude and childish, particularly as I'd tried to word my points fairly and kindly to you, and informally, so not a host post telling you off. And on Christmas day, when it would be nice if people took a break from being wankers.
There were a number things about Mark Betts’ obsession with kmann’s grammar that reeked of obnoxiousness. There was, as others have noted, an element of bigotry in it. There was, as others have noted, an element of hypocracy in it; he really wasn’t in a position to be correcting others.
But there also seemed to be some deflection going on. He made accusations about other shipmates—@josephine and @mousethief in particular—and when challenged on those accusations and asked to back them up, he instead decided to focus on the perceived grammatical shortcomings of others.
Your response to my post at the time was rude and childish, particularly as I'd tried to word my points fairly and kindly to you, and informally, so not a host post telling you off. And on Christmas day, when it would be nice if people took a break from being wankers.
There were a number things about Mark Betts’ obsession with kmann’s grammar that reeked of obnoxiousness. There was, as others have noted, an element of bigotry in it. There was, as others have noted, an element of hypocracy in it; he really wasn’t in a position to be correcting others.
But there also seemed to be some deflection going on. He made accusations about other shipmates—@josephine and @mousethief in particular—and when challenged on those accusations and asked to back them up, he instead decided to focus on the perceived grammatical shortcomings of others.
“Rude and childish” sums it all up pretty well.
*Shock!!* All these poor defenceless victims who would never say anything to offend anyone! Really? Maybe it's you who has some growing up to do Nick - and take a reality check.
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Can you get me some of that stuff?
It is raw - raw pickled red cabbage 😋
Also, try eating any raw cabbage leaf straight off the cabbage - it’s tasty! When Mum was cooking she’d often give me a leaf to nibble.
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Raw red cabbage, raw red onion, grated raw beetroot, plain yoghurt and grainy mustard. A delicious alternative slaw, and it is pink.
Pink? PINK?!
Raw cabbage, raw broccoli, raw carrots, cauliflower, even a small piece of raw potato...mmmmm.
Stop pretending that you can think rationally.
There's nothing wrong with liking Sci-fi - I enjoy some of it. C. S. Lewis wrote a Sci-Fi trilogy - The Space Trilogy, which not a lot of people know about - full of biblical analogy, as you would expect, but an enjoyable and interesting read.
I thought Mark was one of the heroes wasn't he?
Things were getting on ok around here before you, Mark Betts, started posting passive-aggressive (and sometimes aggressive-aggressive) drivel-tangentially-related-to-Orthodoxy and until you, Martin, returned to posting cryptic crossword clues mascarading as intelligent thought.
We want discussions about substantive issues, not fights over punctuation in Purgatory. How hard is that to understand?
Would you like me to pass it through a gobbledegook filter for you, Martin?
…..Or actually, it was really his wife, Jane Tudor Studdock, who saved them in the end, with the help of, yes, divine intervention!
Bless. There was nothing cryptic there Sweetheart.
That kind of confirms the comparison I was drawing in my mind.
Nobody knows what the hell you are posting, Martin. Other than playing some game where you try to see whether anyone else has the faintest inkling of what the fuck you are talking about, what's the point?
So far as I can tell, the first person to take that Ukraine thread down a 'use of language' tangent was you, in a rather nasty comment here*.
You continued in similar vein with posts such as this one and this one, and several other posters were stupid enough to pursue the linguistic tangent, all before @Martin54 first contributed to the tangent, here, having previously commented on topic.
The real question is: why do you act in such a puerile fashion instead of staying on topic yourself and simply ignoring irrelevancies?
*Can't get this link to click. Post is Dec 24.
I think I know which post you are talking about - and it wasn't unprovoked. This guy was trying to make out he had some sort of mastery of the English language (superior to mine anyhow) which he obviously hadn't (24/12/18 9.06 pm) - but the animosity started long before that comment. In any case he was wrong, because the word 'Roman' was referenced to the OED by Fineline.
I'm only nasty in response to nastiness - but I acknowledge that in Purgatory it's better to just ignore.
And if you can't find any better response to perceived nastiness than being nasty in return, you still have some growing up to do.
There were a number things about Mark Betts’ obsession with kmann’s grammar that reeked of obnoxiousness. There was, as others have noted, an element of bigotry in it. There was, as others have noted, an element of hypocracy in it; he really wasn’t in a position to be correcting others.
But there also seemed to be some deflection going on. He made accusations about other shipmates—@josephine and @mousethief in particular—and when challenged on those accusations and asked to back them up, he instead decided to focus on the perceived grammatical shortcomings of others.
“Rude and childish” sums it all up pretty well.
https://www.amazon.com/Grammar-Correct-Gifts-English-Teachers/dp/B07BV8ZTSY
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*Shock!!* All these poor defenceless victims who would never say anything to offend anyone! Really? Maybe it's you who has some growing up to do Nick - and take a reality check.
Oh... and stop fawning.