Please, please, PLEASE get a fucking grip. It's as if you don't think you exist unless you are actively opposing someone else--preferably a whole fucking threadload of us at once. Screw that, preferably FIVE fucking threadloads at once.
And if I ever happen to agree with you, you hasten to post a reply to the effect that a) you got there first, and b) neener neener on me.
If lilbuddha's account were hacked and taken over by a middle-aged right-wing would-be satirist who thinks he can write funny parodies of SJWs, would anyone notice the difference?
I have a theory that this actually happened about two years ago.
lilBuddha: This thread shouldn't be in Epiphanies.
Everybody: You're wrong.
Admins: You're wrong.
lilBuddha: This thread shouldn't be in Epiphanies! Why is everybody losing their minds when I say this?!!??!!?
To lilBuddha, "losing your mind" means "continuing to disagree with me after I have clearly stated my beliefs."
There is no room for honest people of good will to disagree with lb. You either agree fully and enthusiastically with her every utterance or you’re a stupid brainless sexist racist homophobic tool of the oppressive elitist slavery-loving concentration camp-running nazi fascist tyrants who grind good honest decent folk (which category obviously doesn’t include straight white men, because duh) into the dirt.
In that there is no agreement permitted. Her modality is to carve out a uniquely specific slice of argument that nobody else can possible understand or represent, thereby enabling her to think of herself as being alone on her moral stilts. No amount of alignment or agreement with any issue is sufficient, as she will immediately narrow the conversation (in her mind) to be even more specific to her stance to make sure she forces out any possible agreement.
At this point, her moral stances are essentially fractal.
In that there is no agreement permitted. Her modality is to carve out a uniquely specific slice of argument that nobody else can possible understand or represent, thereby enabling her to think of herself as being alone on her moral stilts. No amount of alignment or agreement with any issue is sufficient, as she will immediately narrow the conversation (in her mind) to be even more specific to her stance to make sure she forces out any possible agreement.
No, no, no. Lilbuddha is a paragon of tolerance and sweetness and light.
It is everybody else that fits your description.
Fortunately lilBuddha is capable of keeping her head when all about her are losing theirs and blaming it on her. (And can trust herself when all men doubt her, but make allowance for their doubting too...)
In that there is no agreement permitted. Her modality is to carve out a uniquely specific slice of argument that nobody else can possible understand or represent, thereby enabling her to think of herself as being alone on her moral stilts. No amount of alignment or agreement with any issue is sufficient, as she will immediately narrow the conversation (in her mind) to be even more specific to her stance to make sure she forces out any possible agreement.
No, no, no. Lilbuddha is a paragon of tolerance and sweetness and light.
It is everybody else that fits your description.
Fortunately lilBuddha is capable of keeping her head when all about her are losing theirs and blaming it on her. (And can trust herself when all men doubt her, but make allowance for their doubting too...)
If she can do all that, and still more
then, then,
hmmmm
And here I thought it was me. I could never understand why, when I said I agreed with her, her adversarial position intensified, as if I couldn't possibly understand enough to agree and so must be bludgeoned with additional facts and logic into a position of disagreement.
In that there is no agreement permitted. Her modality is to carve out a uniquely specific slice of argument that nobody else can possible understand or represent, thereby enabling her to think of herself as being alone on her moral stilts. No amount of alignment or agreement with any issue is sufficient, as she will immediately narrow the conversation (in her mind) to be even more specific to her stance to make sure she forces out any possible agreement.
At this point, her moral stances are essentially fractal.
As I noted on p. 5 of this thread, Nov. 15:
Dunno about fighting, but LB does seem always to want to stand absolutely and unassailably alone, in some minutely-delineated, precisely-marked-off, unique-to-her, stance in any argument. (And this despite her routine failure to provide evidence or links for most of her assertions. One would think that level of finicky-ness might be accompanied by concerns for supporting evidence; sadly, no.) Carving out a space in which to stand alone is her super-power. It seems she can only be "right" in her own eyes when creating a skin-tight niche with room for only one occupant--herself.
Fortunately lilBuddha is capable of keeping her head when all about her are losing theirs and blaming it on her. (And can trust herself when all men doubt her, but make allowance for their doubting too...)
No, no, no, you’ve got it all wrong. If lilbuddha does all of that and the rest of the poem, then she’ll be a MAN, my son (presumably a straight white one, because what other kind exists?) and then she won’t be oppressed anymore and the entire reason for her existence will disappear. And the universe will go phhhuttt or something.
You either agree fully and enthusiastically with her every utterance or you’re a stupid brainless sexist racist homophobic tool
Lilbuddha thinks she has experienced oppression, and therefore this gives her a total and infallible understanding of it in all its forms.
TBF, if her statements about herself are true, then she most definitely has. Which means her understanding of is better than most. Just not total and infallible. Because we've all got stuff.
There is no room for honest people of good will to disagree with lb. You either agree fully and enthusiastically with her every utterance or you’re a stupid brainless sexist racist homophobic tool of the oppressive elitist slavery-loving concentration camp-running nazi fascist tyrants who grind good honest decent folk (which category obviously doesn’t include straight white men, because duh) into the dirt.
To the contrary: it is not possible to agree with lb. Actual agreement (as defined by lb) with lb would require lb to acknowledge that you are Right and that you stand with her. This simply cannot be. lb herself occupies that position, and as already demonstrated, there's only room in that slot for one. As noted by somebody earlier, the cheese stands alone. Indeed, for lb, the cheese must stand alone, though God alone knows why.
I am pretty tired of the idea that keeps coming up that people and institutions are somehow tainted by being part of "bad" societies.
It's lazy, it's boring, it diminishes all those who have been working to change society.
But more than that, who actually cares to hear lilbuddha state that everything is shit, all things are shit and all manner of things are shit as if this is a great and inarguable truth?
The NHS? Oh that's racist. Why? Oh because all of society is racist and it contains people who are infected by institutional racism and thus cannot help but express the inherent racism lurking within all of us.
I find something odd about this thread... lb has dropped out. Surely this would (or should) be red meat for her, an invitation to denounce all this as a smoke screen for for all our various prejudices. Given her(?) native combativeness, I thought that she would have risen to the occasion. I am a little disappointed in her.
Frankly, I find her a sarcastic, condescending, self-righteous bore. What might be gleaned from her contributions isn't worth the slog. With her I can't be correct even about my own sexuality. I think that much I know should intimately, usually without fear of contradiction, but somehow she managed even that.
And here I thought it was me. I could never understand why, when I said I agreed with her, her adversarial position intensified, as if I couldn't possibly understand enough to agree and so must be bludgeoned with additional facts and logic into a position of disagreement.
The cheese stands alone, indeed.
AFF
Not only does the position intensify, but it changes, so that additional evidence can be brought to bear which wasn't relevant to the earlier position. Isn't LB a clever beastie?
I just wish that she would occasionally preface or end her comments with "in my opinion" or YMMV or something.
And if it turns out that your mileage and hers match exactly (in your own view), she will parse out some finicky way to distinguish hers from yours, leaving you still in the wrong (in her view).
In Russ' case it feels more like a get-out clause to avoid having to back up the opinion with evidence.
TBF, lb's technique of presenting everything they say as a FACT has the same effect. They're not big on evidence either.
Although my favourite so far was lb telling @RooK his accusation that they were being sexist was just proof he was sexist as they couldn't possibly be so ... Which is complete Boris.
Although my favourite so far was lb telling @RooK his accusation that they were being sexist was just proof he was sexist as they couldn't possibly be so ... Which is complete Boris.
May I nominate "complete Boris" as the new euphemism for "Self-servicing projection of bullshit lies"?
"The US President has pulled yet another complete Boris on the issue of the House's impeachment hearings . . ."
Although my favourite so far was lb telling @RooK his accusation that they were being sexist was just proof he was sexist as they couldn't possibly be so ... Which is complete Boris.
May I nominate "complete Boris" as the new euphemism for "Self-servicing projection of bullshit lies"?
"The US President has pulled yet another complete Boris on the issue of the House's impeachment hearings . . ."
Although my favourite so far was lb telling @RooK his accusation that they were being sexist was just proof he was sexist as they couldn't possibly be so ... Which is complete Boris.
May I nominate "complete Boris" as the new euphemism for "Self-servicing projection of bullshit lies"?
"The US President has pulled yet another complete Boris on the issue of the House's impeachment hearings . . ."
Just an aside to Mousethief, whom I think introduced the phrase "Your Mileage May Vary"- I think this is one of the most useful phrases I first read on the Ship, Thank-you.
Although my favourite so far was lb telling @RooK his accusation that they were being sexist was just proof he was sexist as they couldn't possibly be so ... Which is complete Boris.
May I nominate "complete Boris" as the new euphemism for "Self-servicing projection of bullshit lies"?
"The US President has pulled yet another complete Boris on the issue of the House's impeachment hearings . . ."
Just an aside to Mousethief, whom I think introduced the phrase "Your Mileage May Vary"- I think this is one of the most useful phrases I first read on the Ship, Thank-you.
I stole it from a car advert so no praise to me. I'm not entirely sure I was the first to use it here, but I'm happy to take credit until a better claimant comes along.
Although my favourite so far was lb telling @RooK his accusation that they were being sexist was just proof he was sexist as they couldn't possibly be so ... Which is complete Boris.
May I nominate "complete Boris" as the new euphemism for "Self-servicing projection of bullshit lies"?
"The US President has pulled yet another complete Boris on the issue of the House's impeachment hearings . . ."
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And if I ever happen to agree with you, you hasten to post a reply to the effect that a) you got there first, and b) neener neener on me.
Can you ever just BE for a moment?
I have a theory that this actually happened about two years ago.
Everybody: You're wrong.
Admins: You're wrong.
lilBuddha: This thread shouldn't be in Epiphanies! Why is everybody losing their minds when I say this?!!??!!?
There is no room for honest people of good will to disagree with lb. You either agree fully and enthusiastically with her every utterance or you’re a stupid brainless sexist racist homophobic tool of the oppressive elitist slavery-loving concentration camp-running nazi fascist tyrants who grind good honest decent folk (which category obviously doesn’t include straight white men, because duh) into the dirt.
In that there is no agreement permitted. Her modality is to carve out a uniquely specific slice of argument that nobody else can possible understand or represent, thereby enabling her to think of herself as being alone on her moral stilts. No amount of alignment or agreement with any issue is sufficient, as she will immediately narrow the conversation (in her mind) to be even more specific to her stance to make sure she forces out any possible agreement.
At this point, her moral stances are essentially fractal.
For most people, the statement “I can’t agree” is derived epistemologically; but for some, it is simply a reflection of their ontological condition.
Apparently.
It is everybody else that fits your description.
Fortunately lilBuddha is capable of keeping her head when all about her are losing theirs and blaming it on her. (And can trust herself when all men doubt her, but make allowance for their doubting too...)
If she can do all that, and still more
then, then,
hmmmm
The cheese stands alone, indeed.
AFF
As I noted on p. 5 of this thread, Nov. 15:
Dunno about fighting, but LB does seem always to want to stand absolutely and unassailably alone, in some minutely-delineated, precisely-marked-off, unique-to-her, stance in any argument. (And this despite her routine failure to provide evidence or links for most of her assertions. One would think that level of finicky-ness might be accompanied by concerns for supporting evidence; sadly, no.) Carving out a space in which to stand alone is her super-power. It seems she can only be "right" in her own eyes when creating a skin-tight niche with room for only one occupant--herself.
Lilbuddha thinks she has experienced oppression, and therefore this gives her a total and infallible understanding of it in all its forms.
No, no, no, you’ve got it all wrong. If lilbuddha does all of that and the rest of the poem, then she’ll be a MAN, my son (presumably a straight white one, because what other kind exists?) and then she won’t be oppressed anymore and the entire reason for her existence will disappear. And the universe will go phhhuttt or something.
TBF, if her statements about herself are true, then she most definitely has. Which means her understanding of is better than most. Just not total and infallible. Because we've all got stuff.
I'll get me coat ...
To the contrary: it is not possible to agree with lb. Actual agreement (as defined by lb) with lb would require lb to acknowledge that you are Right and that you stand with her. This simply cannot be. lb herself occupies that position, and as already demonstrated, there's only room in that slot for one. As noted by somebody earlier, the cheese stands alone. Indeed, for lb, the cheese must stand alone, though God alone knows why.
No. Exasperated.
It's lazy, it's boring, it diminishes all those who have been working to change society.
But more than that, who actually cares to hear lilbuddha state that everything is shit, all things are shit and all manner of things are shit as if this is a great and inarguable truth?
The NHS? Oh that's racist. Why? Oh because all of society is racist and it contains people who are infected by institutional racism and thus cannot help but express the inherent racism lurking within all of us.
Or something. I don't know, I give up.
Frankly, I find her a sarcastic, condescending, self-righteous bore. What might be gleaned from her contributions isn't worth the slog. With her I can't be correct even about my own sexuality. I think that much I know should intimately, usually without fear of contradiction, but somehow she managed even that.
She is now admitting she's a hypocrite. That's something.
And also, perhaps, to be less enamoured of arguing about the argument.
Not only does the position intensify, but it changes, so that additional evidence can be brought to bear which wasn't relevant to the earlier position. Isn't LB a clever beastie?
Your mileage is not allowed to vary.
And if it turns out that your mileage and hers match exactly (in your own view), she will parse out some finicky way to distinguish hers from yours, leaving you still in the wrong (in her view).
TBF, lb's technique of presenting everything they say as a FACT has the same effect. They're not big on evidence either.
Although my favourite so far was lb telling @RooK his accusation that they were being sexist was just proof he was sexist as they couldn't possibly be so ... Which is complete Boris.
May I nominate "complete Boris" as the new euphemism for "Self-servicing projection of bullshit lies"?
"The US President has pulled yet another complete Boris on the issue of the House's impeachment hearings . . ."
I vote in favo(u)r.
Quotes file!!
Did anybody mention "disingenuous"?
I stole it from a car advert so no praise to me. I'm not entirely sure I was the first to use it here, but I'm happy to take credit until a better claimant comes along.
I only explained it. It's been an internet thing forever, at least among Americans.
I'm so proud.