2020 Celebrity Deathpool

Because I’m not sure if The Rogue is starting the Celebrity Deathpool this season I’ve taken the liberty of beginning this “discussion”. Should the previous DeathMaster wish to take over this discussion I will happily turn it over to them.

I will keep mostly, but with a couple teeny changes to the rules as he had them in 2019, cutting and pasting most of the opening post. I’ve changed dates of course. Also I’ve added one bonus award and renamed another. Hope this isn’t confusing.

1. You must pick 13 well-known people whom you think will shuffle off this mortal coil in 2020. That is, starting from 00.01 UTC (GMT, really) on 1st January 2020 and ending at 23.59 UTC on 31 December 2020, as determined by the United States Naval Observatory Master Clock. I’m in North America, but I’m keeping to the previous pools’ time zone rules. I run pools in two other boards, and they are six hours off of this one, so that will actually be a help.

2. The definition of "well-known" is that their deaths will be reported by at least one major news outlet. Examples outlets include (but are not limited to) The Guardian, CNN, IMDB, VeloNews, The Beano, The Austin Chronicle, and the Church Times.

3. All selections must be real natural born people. No fictional characters, abstract entities or "corporate persons" will be accepted. No matter what the US tax code or Supreme Court say, corporations aren't people, and people aren't corporations.

4. Points are awarded according to the following formula: 100 minus the celebrity's age at the time of death. For example, if the person you choose dies at the age of 67 you will earn 33 points. Should you pick someone who is 100 years old when they die you will receive no points; should your person be over 100, you will lose points.

5. You earn 50 bonus points if the death occurs in such a way as to clearly prove the existence of God (for example, if some doofus dies from burns after trying to torch a church), or they win an actual, bona-fide, certified Darwin award.

6. You cannot choose anyone under the age of 18 at the start of 2020. Yes, this caps your points-per-person potential at 82 but only cheats ever score 100% in anything.

7. You may choose an inmate scheduled to be executed, but you only earn points if the person dies by some means other than the state-sponsored execution. For example, a shiv in the stomach counts; lethal injection does not.

8. You are disqualified if you contribute in any way to the death of one of your chosen candidates. Exceptions will be made if you are a police officer or member of the armed services and kill someone in the line of duty.

9. The Monty Python "I'm Getting Better!" rule: if your person turns out to not be dead after all, and this revivification is confirmed before this year's contest ends, you lose your points. The presumption is that nobody dies or comes back to life until it's confirmed, though. Once the year's over, it's over and there will be no retrospective adjustments once the final scores are announced. Those of you who follow the "dictators, drones, and Hellfire" school should probably take note.

10. All entries must be submitted on this thread no later than 23.59 UTC on 31 December 2019. No entries will be accepted after this time. You may make changes to your list up until this time but only if someone pops their clogs before the beginning of the game or if you've put someone in twice. Surprisingly, this does happen.

Bonus awards:

Opening Kickoff Award is: given for picking the first death of the game this year.

Quantity Not Quality Award: given for picking the most people who croak before 2020, regardless of their points value.

Inside Track With the Grim Reaper Award is given to the player with the most unique picks

Sudden Death: given for picking the last death before 2020.

Disclaimer: This is only a game. The Ship, its management and their associated lackeys do not necessarily endorse the death any human being. One should not necessarily view this as a "wish list;" reviewing past years will show that truly evil and nasty dictators seem to have a habit of lingering while those figures we truly respect and admire often don't. Some players who Just Can't Score Points will put those they wish to hear from next year on the list.

The Circus is a place for games, not discussion of the rights or wrongs of those games. If you want to discuss the ethics of this one, there are other places you can do that. While I enjoy reading obits and memories as much as anyone else, longer threads belong in AS.

Good luck, and may the odds be ever in your favour.


  • LydaLyda Shipmate
    I feel sad that this thread has been left hanging. Whoever wants to pick the game up, I'll be ready to play. Thanks for volunteering, Baker.
  • BakerBaker Shipmate
    I was beginning to wonder if I had stepped on someone's toes, as nobody is responding. I did ask, in the 2019 thread, if it was going to be started, and I messaged Rogue asking if they were going to do it, and got no response. The last time I saw Rogue post in the 2019 thread was in May.

    Later on today(on this side of the pond) I wll post my own list, and I encourage anyone else to do so as well.

    Thanks to Lyda for commenting.
  • BakerBaker Shipmate
    Heck, I'm going to post my list now. And I know there is one of theme that I will lose points for if they pass, but I want credit for selecting her name.

    Farah Diba Pahlavi
    Noor al Hussein
    Princess Mabel
    Margrethe II
    Cindy McCain
    Roberta McCain
    Martin Short
    Mel Brooks
    Courtney Love
    Liam Neeson
    Terri Irwin
    Celine Dion
    Yoko Ono
  • Schroedingers CatSchroedingers Cat Shipmate, Waving not Drowning Host
    @Baker - I (and I am sure others) would have alerted you if we thought you were treading on others toes - I didn't say anything, as I hoped others who might know where Rogue was could comment.

    I will post my list, but I want to leave it later in the month.

    And thank you for taking this initiative.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    Thanks indeed, Baker - I don't know whether the Rogue is still interested in hosting the game, but if he isn't, I don't see any reason why you shouldn't.

    I'm going to post my list in a few days, once I've seen if there's anyone obvious that I've missed.

  • BakerBaker Shipmate
    I truly hope Rogue is okay. And just in case, I've kept up on the points and deaths for the 2019 thread. I'm kind of OCD that way.

    I have no points, BTW.
  • jedijudyjedijudy Heaven Host, 8th Day Host
    I see The Rogue has played the quiz! Hopefully that's a good sign that all is well!
  • I have a draft list, but given that in the last two years, one of those on my list has died between posting and the first of January, I'm holding off until Friday.
  • I’ll be playing too, posting later. Thanks Baker.
  • BakerBaker Shipmate
    All cool, I love this game. It's interesting to note that my own birthday coincided with NYE. I'm told my father was very pleased I was born (just before) midnight, so I was a tax deduction for all of that year. We Americans can appreciate that.

    I once did a themed list of folks born on NYE. Two actually matched my own age exactly. One is a German race car driver and engineer named Herman Tilke. The other is a Scots politician named Alexander Salmond. I also share the day, if not the year, with Anthony Hopkins and Ben Kingsley.

  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    edited December 2019
    Baker wrote: »
    ... I also share the day, if not the year, with Anthony Hopkins and Ben Kingsley
    And the late Sir Stephen Cleobury (formerly of King's College, Cambridge), who would have been 71 this New Year's Eve.
  • I have not rushed to post my list because, well, I can just use my 2019 list, which remains unblemished. So, here it is (again):
    1. Tommy Lasorda (1927)
    2. Whitey Ford (1928)
    3. Whitey Herzog (1931)
    4. Henry "Hank" Aaron (1934)
    5. Bill Mazeroski (1936)
    6. Brooks Robinson (1937)
    7. Gaylord Perry (1938)
    8. Tom Seaver (1944)
    9. Steve "Lefty" Carlton (1944)
    10. Rod Carew (1945)
    11. Nolan Ryan (1947)
    12. Mike Schmidt (1949)
    13. Cal Ripken, Jr. (1960)
    And, if any of those should shuffle off their mortal coil before the end of 2019, then my replacement name will be Reggie Jackson (1946).
  • BakerBaker Shipmate
    Yay, a list besides my own!
  • For the first time ever, *not* scraping under the wire with a cry of "Fuck, is that the date already?", but with the same XIII as last year

    1. Adam Hart Davis
    2. Michael Fish
    3. Ronnie Wood
    4. Kim Jong Un
    5. Nigel Farage (unfortunately I think it's against the rules - certainly against the spirit of them - to inhume the nasty little turd myself)
    6. Paul Dacre (see above)
    7. Diane Abbott
    8. Rolf Harris
    9. Abdrabbuh Mansur Hadi (Yemeni president)
    10. Nicolas Maduro (Venezuelan president)
    11. Donald Trump (running out of ideas here...)
    12. "Tommy Robinson" AKA Stephen Yaxley-Lennon
    13. Sir Alex Ferguson

    Should any of that lot cark it early, you can add Boris as Sub 1 and Rees-Mogg as sub 2.

  • Carried forward......

    1) Ringo Starr
    2) Keith Richards
    3) Rolf Harris
    4) Pele
    5) Nicholas Parsons
    6) Billy Connolly
    7) George W Bush
    8) Prince Phillip
    9) Mark “The Undertaker” Calaway
    10) Tracey Emin
    11) Tony Blackburn
    12) Paul Gambaccini
    13) Jimmy Tarbuck
  • jedijudyjedijudy Heaven Host, 8th Day Host
    For most of my list, I hope this grants the Kiss of Life™:

    1. Jimmy Carter
    2. Rosalyn Carter
    3. Angela Lansbury
    4. Ayman al-Zawahiri
    5. Charlie Sheen
    6. Shannen Doherty
    7. Jerry Stiller
    8. Dick van Dyke
    9. Alex Trebeck
    10. Cher
    11. Christopher Lloyd
    12. Betty White
    13. Sean Connery
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    OK, here goes:

    Kiss of life
    1. HM The Queen
    2. HRH Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh
    3. Sir Billy Connolly
    4. Alex Trebeck
    5. Ronnie Wood
    6. Sir Cliff Richard
    7. Michael J. Fox

    Not kiss of life
    8. Donald Trump
    9. Kim Jong-Un
    10. Boris Johnson
    11. Nigel Farage
    12. Vladimir Putin
    13. Morrissey
  • Schroedingers CatSchroedingers Cat Shipmate, Waving not Drowning Host
    OK, it is time to post my list. Pretty much the same as last year. They are still all going strong.

    1. Shane McGowan
    2. Pope Emeritus Benedict
    3. HM Queen Elizabeth II
    4. Paul Gascoigne
    5. Terry Jones (Monty Python)
    6. Michael Schumacher
    7. Michael Crawford
    8. Mike Oldfield
    9. Prince Philip
    10. Lionel Blair
    11. Dick Van Dyke
    12. Bernard Cribbins
    13. Donald Trump
  • As I’m not feeling 100% myself (no need to add me to your own list!) I’ll post slightly earlier than intended, as I’m not sure I’ll have internet access for the remainder of the year. So here’s my 13:

    1. Murray Walker (F1 commentator)
    2. Patricia Routledge (actor, Keeping Up Appearances)
    3. Frank Williams (actor, Dad’s Army)
    4. Bernard Cribbins (actor, The Railway Children)
    5. David Attenborough (wonder of the natural world)
    6. Prunella Scales (actor, Fawlty Towers)
    7. Norman Tebbit (Conservative politician)
    8. Michael Fish (weather presenter)
    9. Adam Hart Davies (eccentric tv presenter beloved by my old headmaster)
    10. James Earl Jones (actor, Star Wars)
    11. Jurgen Moltmann (theologian)
    12. Jimmy Greaves (footballer, Spurs)
    13. Terry Jones (Python)
  • Three of mine died this year, so following my usual strategy of keeping some, and throwing some back, we'll go with this lot:
    1. Liza Minelli (actor)
    2. HRH The Duke of Edinburgh (retired naval officer)
    3. Prunella Scales (actor)
    4. Nobby Stiles (footballer)
    5. Jimmy Carter (President)
    6. HH Pope Benedict XVI (Pope Emeritus)
    7. Ronnie Wood (stone)
    8. Donald Trump (arse)
    9. Linda Nolan (sister)
    10. Sir Stirling Moss (racing driver)
    11. Hosni Mubarak (President)
    12. Lord Lawson of Blaby (politician)
    13. June Brown (actor)
  • A bit of a Whovian list (same s 2018)

    Tom Baker (Former Time Lord)
    Peter Davison (Former Time Lord)
    Colin Baker (Former Time Lord)
    Sylvester McCoy (Former Time Lord)
    Paul McGann (Former Time Lord)
    Christopher Eccleston (Former Time Lord)
    David Tennant (Former Time Lord)
    Matt Smith (Former Time Lord)
    Peter Capaldi (Former Time Lord)
    David Bradley (Alternate Time Lord)
    Jodie Whittaker (Time Lord)

    Robert Fripp (Greatest living male guitarist and Crimson King)
    Bonnie Raitt (Greatest living guitarist)

  • Religion
    HH Pope Benedict XVI
    John Sentamu, Archbishop of Kent
    HRH Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh
    HRH the Duchess of Kent
    Senior Statesmen
    Valery Giscard-d'Estaing
    Henry Kissinger
    Michael J Fox
    Charlie Sheen
    Vanessa Redgrave
    Sport & Entertainment
    Petula Clark
    Billy Connolly
    Jimmy Greaves
    Thomas Markle
  • EigonEigon Shipmate
    Here's my list for 2020:

    Prince Phillip
    Tom Baker (Time Lord)
    William Shatner (retired Starfleet Admiral)
    Nichelle Nichols (retired Starfleet officer)
    George RR Martin (author)
    Nicholas Parsons (Just a Minute)
    Jimmy Carter (ex-US President)
    Pat Cadigan (author - still shaking her fist at Mortality)
    Michael Heseltine (former Tarzan)
    Julie Andrews (actress)
    Stephen King (author)
    Lee Meriwether (Catwoman)
    Julie Newmar (also Catwoman)
  • EnochEnoch Shipmate
    This is my list for 2020. After winning with a score of 56 in 2018 with four maturing, I’ve only scored 25 this time (as at today, 24th December) with two maturing. There are still seven days to go. Apart from replacing them, I've made hardly any changes, except to drop Prince Philip. Although he's been unwell recently, he is now 98. Even if he were to mature, that would only mean a score of 2.:-

    1. Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI.
    2. Paul Gascoine (Gazza).
    3. Ronnie Wood (a Stone).
    4. James Earl (Jimmy) Carter.
    5. Paul Gambaccini (Presenter).
    6. Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev.
    7. Nigel Lawson (Lord Blaby).
    8. Douglas Hurd (Lord Westwell).
    9. Joseph (Sepp) Blatter.
    10. Bashar Hafez al-Assad.
    11. Alan Bennett (National Treasure).
    12. Dennis Skinner (ex-Beast of Bolsover).
    13. Dame Julie Andrews.

    Some of those, I'd be rather sad to see mature.
  • 1. Terry Jones
    2. Bill Lawry
    3. Billy Connolly
    4. Gloria Allred
    5. Clint Eastwood
    6. Barry Jones (former Federal Science Minister)
    7. Germaine Greer
    8. Barry Humphries
    9. Yoko Ono
    10. Geoff Boycott
    11. Ruth Bader Ginsberg
    12. Harold "Dickie" Bird
    13. Alan Jones (the radio shock jock from NSW)
  • Bringing my whole list forward from last year...
    My list consists of people in this week’s Private Eye
    1 Jean-Claude Juncker (politician)
    2 John Malkovich (actor)
    3 HM The Queen (queen)
    4 HRH Prince Philip (prince consort)
    5 Michael Caine (actor)
    6 Rupert Murdoch (media mogul)
    7 Jeffrey Archer (writer)
    8 Kenny Dalglish (former footballer)
    9 Donald Trump (US president)
    10 Vladimar Putin (Russian president)
    11 David Attenborough (national treasure)
    12 Philip Green (businessman)
    13 David Dimbleby (journalist and presenter)

    Substitutions in case of prior deceasement (chosen from this week’s Private Eye):
    1 Jeremy Corbyn
    2 Noel Edmunds

  • Here’s my 2020 list with one substitute and a couple of alterations.

    1 Blessed, Brian
    2 Collins, Phil
    3 Douglas, Michael
    4 Fox, Michael J
    5 Hallenga, Kristin
    6 Minnelli , Liza
    7 Mitchell, Joni
    8 Morrissey
    9 Newton-John, Olivia
    10 Nolan, Linda
    11 Ono, Yoko
    12 Rea, Chris
    13 Spector, Phil
  • Two people included Morrissey on their lists. Wishful thinking? He IS an ass.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    The5thMary wrote: »
    Two people included Morrissey on their lists. Wishful thinking?
    You may think that; I couldn't possibly comment. :smiley:

    You're right though - he is an ass.
  • BakerBaker Shipmate
    Less than 72 hours until the deadline! C'mon, people, give me a birthday present (NYE) and post now! lol
  • I've got my list ready to go, but I'm holding it in case of last minute inspiration/expiration.
  • LydaLyda Shipmate
    edited December 2019
    1. Fran Drescher- actor
    2. Jimmy Carter- former president
    3. Morrissey- musician, composer (that makes three, The 5thMary ;) )
    4. Olivia Newton-John- singer, actor
    5. Joni Mitchell- artist, musician, songwriter
    6. Bret Michaels- musician
    7. Prince Phillip- prince consort
    8. Tom Brocaw- journalist
    9. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar- retired basketball player
    10. Donald Trump- the Prez
    11. Alex Trebek- game show host
    12. Barbara Walters- journalist, talk show host
    13. Bob Newhart- actor
  • la vie en rougela vie en rouge Circus Host, 8th Day Host
    Mine are all still alive so they can ride.

    1. King Mswati III of Swaziland
    2. Emperor Akihito of Japan
    3. Hosni Mubarak
    4. Mullah Fazlullah
    5. Abdelaziz Bouteflika
    6. Silvio Berlusconi
    7. Than Shwe
    8. Omar al Bashir
    9. Nursultan Nazarbayev
    10. Ali Bongo
    11. Paul Biya

    A few non-despotic picks:

    12. Michael Douglas
    13. Ben Jonson (Olympic cheat and famous anabolic steroid abuser - bad for the heart)
  • 1. Queen Elizabeth
    2. Prince Philip
    3. David Attenborough
    4. Terry Jones
    5. Dennis Skinner
    6. Linda Nolan
    7. Billy Connolly
    8. Neil Diamond
    9. Rolf Harris
    10. Michael Schumacher
    11. Mick Jagger
    12. Ronnie Wood
    13. Donald Trump
    Some of these are “kiss of life”!
  • 2. Emperor Akihito of Japan

    Although still alive, Akihito is no longer Emperor. I believe his current title is best translated as "Emperor Emeritus".
  • Here's my list, loosely based on last year's list with a few substitutions, in order of descending age.
    1. Henry Alfred Kissinger, né Heinz Alfred Kissinger (ex-Secretary of State, unindicted war criminal, 1923)
    2. Jiang Zemin, 江泽民 (ex-General Secretary, ex-President, 1926)
    3. Walter Frederick "Fritz" Mondale (ex-Vice President, 1928)
    4. Sandra Day O'Connor (ex-Supreme Court Justice, 1930)
    5. Michael Collins (ex-Astronaut, 1930)
    6. Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev, Михаил Сергеевич Горбачёв (ex-General Secretary, ex-President, 1931)
    7. William Shatner (actor, 1931)
    8. Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud, سلمان بن عبد العزیز آل سعود (King, 1935)
    9. Harry Mason Reid (ex-Senator, 1939)
    10. John Robert Lewis (ex-SNCC Chairman, Congressman, 1940)
    11. Richard Bruce "Dick" Cheney (cyborg ex-Vice President, 1941)
    12. John Dennis Hastert 47991-424 (ex-Speaker of the House, convict, 1942)
    13. Juan Gerardo Guaidó Márquez (politician and sort-of President, 1983)

    Birth years are all gathered from Wikipedia. If they're wrong it's Wiki's fault.
  • 1. Prince Phillip
    2. Queen Elizabeth
    3. Jimmy Carter
    4. Betty White
    5. Mick Jagger
    6. Keith Richards
    7. Alan Alda
    8. Yoko Ono
    9. Liza Minnelli
    10. Rupert Murdoch
    11. Vladimir Putin
    12. Henry Kissinger
    13. Tom Brokaw
  • Here goes:
    1. Benedict XVI, Pope Emeritus
    2. Theodore McCarrick, ex-cardinal
    3. George Pell, currently still a cardinal, but now in jail
    4. Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh
    5. Steve Bannon, general all-round nasty person
    6. John Winston Howard, retired Aust PM
    7. Ethel Kennedy
    8. Rolf Harris, charlatan
    9. Frank Lowy, founder of Westfield
    10. Rupert Murdoch, media mogul and ex-Australian
    11. Henry Kissinger
    12. Kim Jong-un
    13. Jean-Marie Le Pen

    Clive James and Bob Hawke replaced; Won't comment on where they are currently denizens of!
  • here's my 2020 list. I think some of the people here were on my original list when the game was first run on Ye Olde Shippe

    1. Buzz Aldrin
    2. Ursula Andress
    3. Sir Stirling Moss
    4. Ringo Starr
    5. Lou Ferrigno
    6. Sam Moore
    7. Elliott Gould
    8. Michael Crawford
    9. Gary Numan
    10. Rustie Lee
    11. Carlos Santana
    12. Paul Gadd / Gary Glitter
    13. Stanley Baxter
  • I thought I’d missed this and so wanted to join in this year.
    1. Prince Philip
    2. Christopher Plummer
    3. Vera Lynn
    4. Betty White
    5. Dennis Skinner (former MP)
    6. Kirk Douglas
    7. Keith Richards
    8. Prince Andrew
    9. Pope Emeritus Benedict
    10. Angela Merkel
    11. Margaret Atwood
    12. BillyConnolly
    13. Bernard Cribbins
  • Only one of mine fell off the perch this year so here’s a slightly modified version.

    HM Queen Elizabeth II
    Prince Philip
    Dennis Skinner
    Tommy Steele
    Donald Trump
    Billy Connolly
    Terry Jones
    Bill Wyman
    Nicholas Parsons
    Alice Cooper
    Tom Baker
    Francis Rossi
    Melvyn Hayes
  • BakerBaker Shipmate
    Only seven more hours!
  • BakerBaker Shipmate
    With just under 75 minutes to go, it looks as if we have a smaller game this year.

    Tick, tick, tick.
  • Light UserLight User Shipmate Posts: 7
    Hope I'm not too late - here's my 2020 squad

    Mother Delores Hart
    Archbishop Desmond Tutu
    HH The Dalai Lama
    Pope Emeritus Benedict
    Chief Raoni
    Norma Waterson
    Ozzy Osborne
    Dennis Skinner
    David Crosby
    Olivia Newton-John
    Sister Helen Prejean
    John Anderson (referee on Gladiators)
    Jean-Louis Trintignant
  • I had a near miss. Don Larsen, most famous as being the only pitcher in MLB history to pitch a perfect game in a World Series, died yesterday (New Year's Day).

    If you are unfamiliar with baseball, a "perfect game" means that Larsen did not let even one opposition player reach base (much less score).

    However, although my list consists of baseball players, I did not have Larsen on my list. So no points for me.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    I thought you were going to claim the Inside Track with the Grim Reaper award!
  • I thought so too until I reviewed my list!!
  • Qasem Soleimani, commander of Iran's Quds Force, has been killed in an American airstrike at Baghdad airport. Hezbollah leader Mohammad Al-Kawtharani and Iraqi militia leader Abu Mahdi Al-Muhandis were killed in the same strike, according to news sources. My guess is that a lot of people who don't get media announcements of their deaths will follow from this.
  • TV Medium Derek Acorah has died aged 69.

    Presumably he'll be along in a minute to confirm.

  • Hugo winning science fiction author Mike Resnick has left this world.
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