Missing orange/gold "new" flags

With the new Ship, I always enter by way of "Recent Discussions." For a while now I've noticed that I don't always get the orange/gold flags when there are new entries on a thread. It's not a big deal now that I'm aware of it -- I know to just check the times of the last posts -- but I've also paid more attention. For the past several days, I never get the flag on the "Oops - your Trump presidency discussion thread." Am I the only one? Is Mr. Trump behind a conspiracy to keep me from reading or posting to this discussion?

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  • I think it must be: the one I occasionally miss it from is the Boris Johnson thread. (I use the standard Android browser)
  • I also don't see the "new" flag in the "Oops..." thread.
  • Furtive GanderFurtive Gander Shipmate
    edited November 2020
    I get this too but only noticed in the last couple of weeks. The 'new' flag is missing (from some threads) even when there are new, unread posts in that thread. I'm mostly looking at Purg.
  • BroJamesBroJames Purgatory Host, 8th Day Host
    I’m seeing the same phenomenon.
  • Me too
  • I just checked, and the Boris Johnson thread is flagged. But Trump is still keeping me from seeing a flag on the Oops! thread.
  • When I go to the "Recent Discussions" page I get little gold boxes that say "1 new" or "7 new" or whatever. Is that what people are talking about?
  • Same, re "Oops" thread.

    And yes, mt. Sometimes a thread has new posts, but no flag/box.
  • Golden Key wrote: »
    Same, re "Oops" thread.

    And yes, mt. Sometimes a thread has new posts, but no flag/box.

    Yes, the 'Oops' thread.

    MT maybe it's not affecting you or it is and you haven't noticed.
  • Yeah, I just take the flags at face value and ignore ones that have no flag.
  • I've noticed that from time to time, the Ship seems to think I'm all caught up on a thread even when I'm not. Currently, that's true for me for the "Oops" thread and I've wondered if it's just me or if others seem the same behavior, so it's interesting to know it's not just me.

    As far as I can tell (without paying much attention to it), it seems to happen with longer-running threads. However, it might just always be the "Oops" thread when it does happen because I don't remember enough to know for sure if it's ever happened to any other threads. I just know that I've noticed it occasionally for at least several months now.
  • BroJamesBroJames Purgatory Host, 8th Day Host
    @W Hyatt that is the behaviour I think we’re all talking about - threads where we haven’t read the more recent posts, but where the Ship seems to think we have.
  • Thanks - I understand that. I was hoping to contribute a vague clue or two about what circumstances might lead to its occurrence.
  • Is this data kept in a database table or stored as cookies at my end?
    Something seems to be corrupted and it might just need a table or field in a table for those affected threads reset for all users. Then it should sort itself out. But I'm guessing.
  • Is this data kept in a database table or stored as cookies at my end?
    Something seems to be corrupted and it might just need a table or field in a table for those affected threads reset for all users. Then it should sort itself out. But I'm guessing.

    It's on the ship's end because when I move to a different computer it knows what I've read and not.
  • I think this is a bit of server side and user side. I use variously Firefox and derivatives which don't keep cookies (Fireflox-Klar, IceCat), Chrome and the non Google version Chromium. I synch nothing, everything is on auto-delete when I close browsers except if I explicitly don't want to (cookies, history etc). Thus, a desktop will not track completely what a phone does in my experiences, and I see new flags in threads I've visited on other devices.
  • Furtive GanderFurtive Gander Shipmate
    edited November 2020
    I can see two Purg threads with no flag when there should be one: 'Oops' and 'Break Glass' both of which are very long: 7.4k posts and 3.2k so maybe that's significant. Could it be that some count limit has been reached? Also 'Coronavirus' has 4.9k posts and no flag but I'm not sure if that's right.
  • mousethief wrote: »
    Is this data kept in a database table or stored as cookies at my end?
    Something seems to be corrupted and it might just need a table or field in a table for those affected threads reset for all users. Then it should sort itself out. But I'm guessing.

    It's on the ship's end because when I move to a different computer it knows what I've read and not.

    Yes I reached that conclusion after I posted for the same reason.

    Thanks mt and Np_Np
  • One thing I’ve noticed on several threads is that if a number of posts get split off and sent to another thread, the system still thinks the thread has the original number of posts. So you don’t seem to get new post indicators until the thread has accumulated enough new posts to bring it back to the original number of posts.
  • Marsupial wrote: »
    One thing I’ve noticed on several threads is that if a number of posts get split off and sent to another thread, the system still thinks the thread has the original number of posts. So you don’t seem to get new post indicators until the thread has accumulated enough new posts to bring it back to the original number of posts.

    This is the source of the phenomenon as far as I can see.
  • My orange flag has reappeared on the "Oops" thread!
    :smile:
  • Today the flag has been missing from the "Break Glass" discussion.
  • Mine for 'oops' (or was it break glass'?) came back, went and returned more than once.

    On a likely related issue I've often noticed that when a gold flag shows new posts if I visit the thread it takes me past the first unread postand I have scroll back and find the last one I remember and read on for myself. Anyone else find this?
  • I'm seeing the same behavior now on the Coronavirus - Global and National trends thread. Was it recently split?
  • I'm here after a few days off, I had to long back in, and I see flags in Purg but not in Styx. Weird.
  • These flags are still a bit hit-and-miss for me. The system often works correctly, taking me to the newest unread post in a thread I've read part of but in several long, popular threads (may not be only those) it takes me to the newest post and I have to scroll up to work out which ones I haven't seen before. Often that's easy eg if it's my first look today, any late evening or overnight ones will have been unread. Sometimes it takes me a little while as some seem familiar and I scroll down, then realise I'm reading a quote which I've seen.

    If someone is looking into this and needs more detailed info I can make more detailed observations and give notes; if not we can all manage with imperfections in forum software which mostly works well !

  • Or is it browser specific?
  • Me? Firefox here - I'm not sure of the version but it's kept up to date.
    The fact that it works mostly is confusing and I can't see a pattern except that it 'fails' on threads I follow daily, not on those I look at and catch up without reading so often.

    I usually go straight to Purg or Hell and rarely via Recent Discussions.
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