Telford, you owe me an apology.
mousethief
Shipmate
in Hell
When you dare tell someone they're not a believer,
And they call you on it,
And then instead of recognizing your error you get peevish,
You are grossly out of line and owe an apology.
And they call you on it,
And then instead of recognizing your error you get peevish,
You are grossly out of line and owe an apology.
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In the post you quoted, I did not say that you were not a believer
Just clarify the situation and we can then move on.
Just apologize and we can move on.
I was not the one doing the confronting. I was called to Hell so I have every right
What would I be apologising for ?
However, you appear to be very upset so I apologise for upsetting you.
OK I apologise to you for saying Fair enough. You don't know whether or not you believe
In addition, I apologise for being confused about your earlier statements
Apology not accepted.
Fair enough. I will be patient.
In addition mousethief is a prolific poster. I’ve read all of his posts since I became a Host and the effect has been to confirm over and over again his self identification. Orthodoxy covers a significant variation of beliefs and understandings within an overall characteristic theological framework. In that respect it is no different to other denominations. Variations within and across denominations are just normal.
Therefore, any attempts to weigh in the balance the ‘soundness’ of other SoF Christians, on the basis of one’s own perception of ‘soundness’, is in my opinion a pretty doleful practice. Personally I don’t do it. Besides, no one is required to answer any question which they perceive as intrusive or rude or ‘none of their business’.
Never the less he has declined to accept an apology he pestered me for.
You're doing it again. This rather shows the insincerity of your apology.
Do you accept it or not
He didn’t “decline” to accept your apology. A quick look at his profile would have shown you that he hadn’t posted on the Ship at all since you offered that apology.
Still, you don’t know why he didn’t respond to your apology, and therefore you don’t know that he declined it.
I took him to be either telling you to mind your own business or simply being cryptic for reasons best known for himself. Some of our Lord's answers to people in the Gospels appear that way at times, not that I am putting anything that Mousethief or any one else says here on the level of holy writ.
I wouldn't have answered you the way he did, but then I'm not Mousethief. I would have found your line of questioning irritating though and can understand why he has called you here.
When did I dish it out?
Did I start this thread?
Have I demanded an apology?
Am I the one who has taken offence and demanded an apology?
Am I the one who has refused to accept an apology?
Am I the newbee?.......Yes
Am I the one who has been on here for about 2 decades ?.....No
Did I expect anyone to support me in this?......No
Look, it's good advice. Stop being so stiff and righteous. Don't demand your pound of flesh--or if you must, do it every other Tuesday, and not every freaking day. Learn to enjoy yourself, learn to give other people the benefit of the doubt. Try not to say things you know are going to get people's backs up, like the one that started off this thread.
You can do it. I have faith in you. Try?
Have you adressed this to Mr Mousethief as well.
Please refer me to a few other posts in the past week or so where I have caused upset. Your comments are exaggerated but I do not take offence.
By the way, if you want me to stop posting on this thread I will do so.
Because it doesn't have to be this difficult.
I asked you for a few examples so I could see where I had gone wrong. When you tell me that I cause problems every day, It's something that I need to address.
Meanwhile, in the few years I've observed you, @Telford, I've seen nothing but tedium and unworthy pettiness. I almost envy you, in the staggering array of opportunities before you for self-improvement.
And then there's @Lamb Chopped , whose tact and insight none of us are worthy to question. That you aren't thanking her for the way she's gifting you helpful insight says all most observers need to understand who and what you are.
Thank you, @RooK. I do not deny the least syllable of this addition (well okay maybe not hilarious but I try).
Thank you again.
Take LC's and Rook's words to heart. Please.
Are you up on Hamlet, by any chance?
POLONIUS
My lord, I will use them according to their desert.
HAMLET
God’s bodykins, man, much better. Use every man after his desert, and who should ’scape whipping? Use them after your own honor and dignity. The less they deserve, the more merit is in your bounty. Take them in.
Work on showing grace. Seriously. It's the only way forward, anywhere. It's no good saying stuff in the vein of "I'll have my rights" and "Let's get all the facts out there and have a verdict" and "Prove to me that I deserve such-and-such." It doesn't matter whether you're right or not, because everybody but everybody is wrong sometimes, and if you don't show grace to others, who will show it to you?
Just walk away. Or if you can find it in your heart, ask the Lord to bring about something better--so that you can actually reach out with charity and love to those who hold different opinions than yours.
Thanks.... I have apologised 4 times . I can't do any more.
My apologies have not been accepted but I am going to accept the situation.
My last post in this thread unless I am dragged back in
Don't hang round this cess pool of childish torture games. The old clique love it. They hold all the aces. It's the real game here. The pretend game is "serious" discussion. What a joke .
These old farts have got nothing better to do.
Oh hi to all my fans by the way.
What apology? The one you immediately took back? I consider +1 and –1 to add to zero.
Oh Sweetie, are you feeling left out because someone else is getting more attention?
Never mind, that lovely Lamb Chopped has offered to play with you. Play nicely now.
In case you failed to read the guidelines, Hell does not purport to be for serious discussion. Try Purgatory.
Both of them - as are all of us - are capable of provoking the wrath of their readers by their views and responses. MT is no less capable of a wind up (he's had a lot of practice here), as is Telford (practice here and elsewhere).
Is there a teeny bit of MT trying to push this as far as he can?????
But you have a point, as does @RooK.
Telford, so far, has shown little wit, humanity or care. Although I can see glimmers, occasionally.
Give it another 20 years?
It only applies to insincere apologies.
Wiki puts it better than I can -
The Good Advice meted out by various Shipmates is worth noting @Telford.
Bouquets to Lamb Chopped in particular to set alongside those from RooK.
I took the advice but it was to no avail. You might say that. I couldn't possibly comment. I would then have to apologise another 4 times
O dear. What a shame - all those wise words wasted.
This isn't an apology and is where you dug the pit deeper.
When I posted above that you didn't have the right to confront someone like you did, I was referencing the @OP That's is the confrontation. You also posted the following previous to that:
We could go on - these are in the style and manner of apology, but they aren't actually apologetic. In your view, it appears, it is MT who has the problem, and it is wholly MT's, with little to do with you. The obvious inference is that you believe MT is out of order to find your original comment offensive, and to not accept your view that, while your sorry there's trouble and a conflict, that you haven't any real responsibility. That's bad.