There was an article in The Guardian from Simon Hoggart, not blaming the Brexiteers, but the other 600 MPs who have spinelessly dithered and allowed the situation to continue in its inanity - link
The problem lies not with the Brexiters but with the remaining 600 or so MPs. Much is made of the fate of democracy, of its polarisation, its hollowing out and of the “silence of the rational centre”. As the clouds darkened this week over the central plains of British politics, MPs were seen scrambling for high ground, for the extremes of hard Brexit or “secret remain”. They parked their consciences in the whips’ office, or at least in the cubby hole of “my future career”. The failure to vote for Cooper-Boles was moral abdication.
There was an article in The Guardian from Simon Hoggart, not blaming the Brexiteers, but the other 600 MPs who have spinelessly dithered and allowed the situation to continue in its inanity - link
The problem lies not with the Brexiters but with the remaining 600 or so MPs. Much is made of the fate of democracy, of its polarisation, its hollowing out and of the “silence of the rational centre”. As the clouds darkened this week over the central plains of British politics, MPs were seen scrambling for high ground, for the extremes of hard Brexit or “secret remain”. They parked their consciences in the whips’ office, or at least in the cubby hole of “my future career”. The failure to vote for Cooper-Boles was moral abdication.
Accept it wasn't 600 mps who voted against it was it - list
We have looked out of the door that is Article 50 and seen the deadly sheer drop, and been told that there is an emergency exit, in the form of the withdrawal of Article 50. She is proceeding as if that option were not available
In my view it is not realistically available as, AIUI, it would require assent of the House, which is even less likely than assent to some form of managed exit.
Not going to happen. MPs are desperate to avoid no deal and want a managed exit of some sort but most don't want to stop Brexit completely or be seen as obstructing it. They're at least 50 votes short of enough for a People's Vote even if Corbyn got off the fence and supported it.
The EU can be as hopeless about reading the political climate in the UK as the UK is as reading the political climate in Brussels. (It's not going to be cancelled and there's no way a long extension would make it through the Commons. A Customs Union might - but that would involve the EU looking at the Backstop again. And probably cause the Tories to combust ... But that's likely too happen anyway at some point this year).
There was an article in The Guardian from Simon Hoggart, not blaming the Brexiteers, but the other 600 MPs who have spinelessly dithered and allowed the situation to continue in its inanity - link
The problem lies not with the Brexiters but with the remaining 600 or so MPs. Much is made of the fate of democracy, of its polarisation, its hollowing out and of the “silence of the rational centre”. As the clouds darkened this week over the central plains of British politics, MPs were seen scrambling for high ground, for the extremes of hard Brexit or “secret remain”. They parked their consciences in the whips’ office, or at least in the cubby hole of “my future career”. The failure to vote for Cooper-Boles was moral abdication.
Accept it wasn't 600 mps who voted against it was it - list
But quite a few of Tories who voted against it are ones who've spoken out against no deal or called for a softer Brexit. It's those who annoy me the most. Perfectly happy to say the right words, but not back them up with actual deeds.
There was an article in The Guardian from Simon Hoggart, not blaming the Brexiteers, but the other 600 MPs who have spinelessly dithered and allowed the situation to continue in its inanity - link
The problem lies not with the Brexiters but with the remaining 600 or so MPs. Much is made of the fate of democracy, of its polarisation, its hollowing out and of the “silence of the rational centre”. As the clouds darkened this week over the central plains of British politics, MPs were seen scrambling for high ground, for the extremes of hard Brexit or “secret remain”. They parked their consciences in the whips’ office, or at least in the cubby hole of “my future career”. The failure to vote for Cooper-Boles was moral abdication.
Accept it wasn't 600 mps who voted against it was it - list
But quite a few of Tories who voted against it are ones who've spoken out against no deal or called for a softer Brexit. It's those who annoy me the most. Perfectly happy to say the right words, but not back them up with actual deeds.
Any MP who wants to avoid a hard brexit has one option: forcing the PM to rescind A50. Anyone muntering on about anything else is talking bollocks.
I suspect that there is a large amount of play-acting going on in the HoC, with many MPs being perfectly aware of the reality in the HoC. It's now time to stop talking bollocks and start doing what needs to be done to rescind A50.
Either do it, or make the case for a hard brexit, or STFU.
There was an article in The Guardian from Simon Hoggart, not blaming the Brexiteers, but the other 600 MPs who have spinelessly dithered and allowed the situation to continue in its inanity - link
Simon Jenkins not Simon Hoggart, Simon Hoggart died a couple of years ago (and is sorely missed in political commentary, I wonder what he would have made of this mess.).
Nissan have now revealed the confidential letter they were sent at the beginning of the Brexit nonsense. It appears that Treeza made a firm promise that they would continue to have completely unrestricted two-way access between the UK and the EU once we've left. And they believed her!
Will all the people that Treeza hasn't lied to please form an orderly line? There won't be many people in it, I suspect.
There was an article in The Guardian from Simon Hoggart, not blaming the Brexiteers, but the other 600 MPs who have spinelessly dithered and allowed the situation to continue in its inanity - link
The problem lies not with the Brexiters but with the remaining 600 or so MPs. Much is made of the fate of democracy, of its polarisation, its hollowing out and of the “silence of the rational centre”. As the clouds darkened this week over the central plains of British politics, MPs were seen scrambling for high ground, for the extremes of hard Brexit or “secret remain”. They parked their consciences in the whips’ office, or at least in the cubby hole of “my future career”. The failure to vote for Cooper-Boles was moral abdication.
Accept it wasn't 600 mps who voted against it was it - list
But quite a few of Tories who voted against it are ones who've spoken out against no deal or called for a softer Brexit. It's those who annoy me the most. Perfectly happy to say the right words, but not back them up with actual deeds.
Any MP who wants to avoid a hard brexit has one option: forcing the PM to rescind A50. Anyone muntering on about anything else is talking bollocks.
I suspect that there is a large amount of play-acting going on in the HoC, with many MPs being perfectly aware of the reality in the HoC. It's now time to stop talking bollocks and start doing what needs to be done to rescind A50.
Either do it, or make the case for a hard brexit, or STFU.
Not going to happen. Most of them are aware of the reality, but feel that as people voted for leave the EU, they have to deliver it somehow. As the only voters who count voted Leave. * If they can do it without breaking everything in the process, it'll be a bonus.
In a weird way, the various Remain campaigns might have been better off trying to influence the shape of Brexit and push us toward the least damaging Norway style option rather than overturn the Referendum completely or going for a redo. The silence has allowed the likes of JRM and his ilk to fill the gap with unicorn fluff. We've totally been played.
The default option is no deal unless something major happens in the next few weeks.
* Quietly ignoring the potential impact of demographic changes or the reaction of voters when they realise that the unicorns they were promised by Leave will not be arriving. Although Labour isn't entirely guiltless here, the main faces of this whole mess are Tory.
Nissan have now revealed the confidential letter they were sent at the beginning of the Brexit nonsense. It appears that Treeza made a firm promise that they would continue to have completely unrestricted two-way access between the UK and the EU once we've left. And they believed her!
Will all the people that Treeza hasn't lied to please form an orderly line? There won't be many people in it, I suspect.
Not quite. The government promised Nissan that its operations would not be “adversely affected” by Brexit and £80m towards investment at the site, but the letter said that money was “contingent too on a positive decision by the Nissan board to allocate production of the Qashqai and X-Trail models to the Sunderland plant”.
You could argue that the promise wasn't entirely in the government's gift as it depended on them making a deal with the EU - which they haven't.
The Guardian has the story and a link to the letter.
There was an article in The Guardian from Simon Hoggart, not blaming the Brexiteers, but the other 600 MPs who have spinelessly dithered and allowed the situation to continue in its inanity - link
Simon Jenkins not Simon Hoggart, Simon Hoggart died a couple of years ago (and is sorely missed in political commentary, I wonder what he would have made of this mess.).
Yeah, I noted it was only just over 300. Then again, Jenkins has been spouting bollocks for a long time.
Hoggart, Ashdown, Churchill even - There are a few gone from this life who's opinions I would love to canvas.
There was an article in The Guardian from Simon Hoggart, not blaming the Brexiteers, but the other 600 MPs who have spinelessly dithered and allowed the situation to continue in its inanity - link
Simon Jenkins not Simon Hoggart, Simon Hoggart died a couple of years ago [...].
Simon Hoggart was also chairman of the News Quiz, Radio 4, before Sandi took over.
The irony being, it's consistently been people on the Leave side who have threatened violent protests ...
That's what I thought. If Brexit goes ahead, what have they got to complain about? Or are they just naturally more violent, unpleasant people than those of us who'd rather Remain?
We've already had the rhetoric about Remoaners being a threat to democracy because we don't accept a single vote on an undefined question to be binding on the whole nation. With hundreds of thousands of people marching through the streets of our major cities, with our witty banners and EU flags, and many more writing to MPs or sharing our opinions on social media, it's not much of a stretch for some to decide that democracy needs to be defended with fists, jackboots and whatever weapons come to hand.
There does seem to be a tendency for the pro-Brexit side to attract the more violent and unpleasant people. Possibly the xenophobia and racism that is just below the surface of Brextremist rhetoric makes the likes of the EDL natural fellow travellers.
There is a differene, I think, in the radial activist end of each side. The Leave side seems to violent, whereas the Remain side seems to be less so.
But I think the Remain side will get angry. We will not get as violent as Leave, but we could get dangerous - not because of the vote, but because of the abuse of democracy and the parliamentary process that we have seen.
Of course, it will be nothing compared to the violence that will erupt on (or about) the Irish border if that returns.
Maybe we need a revolution. Maybe that is the only way forward.
It is comforting to believe that the violent extremists are all on one side, but it isn't true. I've seen militant Remainers blocked on social media for calling for the mass execution of those who instigated this mess.
The only thing we can say is that it suits the purposes of both the fascists and the revolutionary Marxists to provoke a crisis and to fitment confrontations. The only question is how many of those on the fringes of those extremes will be sucked in.
All the Marxists I know see the EU as an engine of neoliberal economic hegemony, which must therefore be opposed. It's certainly why Corbyn is decidedly lukewarm about membership.
That's what I thought. If Brexit goes ahead, what have they got to complain about?
I don't think the idea is that any unrest post a no-deal will be on a Remain/Leave axis -- but along generalised/economic lines - like the fuel protests and the London riots.
That's what I thought. If Brexit goes ahead, what have they got to complain about?
I don't think the idea is that any unrest post a no-deal will be on a Remain/Leave axis -- but along generalised/economic lines - like the fuel protests and the London riots.
I tend to agree; the fuel protests in the autumn of the year 2000, when depots were blockaded by strikers, meant that supermarkets were having trouble filling their shelves, holiday makers were stranded, and petrol stations ran out of fuel.
It could have got very nasty indeed. What it will be like if the usual food supplies simply don't happen for an extended period doesn't bear thinking about. And not thinking about it is just what this pathetic government is doing, unless you think giving contracts to ferry companies with no ships is a sensible strategy.
I see that Treeza is off to Belfast today, doing her usual trick of promising things that she knows she can't deliver, and the opposite of which she has just promised to someone else.
The EU can be as hopeless about reading the political climate in the UK as the UK is as reading the political climate in Brussels.
This is true.
Today's blooming hilarious Tusk quote is a case in point. While I also hope there will be a special circle in Hell * for all those Leavers Without A Clue, it's probably not helpful for him to state that quite so bluntly. One of the first groups to agree with him was Sinn Fein but as the DUP are among those Leavers ...
Interesting, well balanced article in Politico unpacking the whole Britain-Ireland border issue if you fancy a read.
Senior EU officials are nothing if not diplomatic in their language, you don't rise to such positions without being able to project calm order in the midst of difficult negotiations between 28 nations, each with their own agenda. For Tusk to make such a comment surely reflects the exasperation caused by negotiating with one country with 28 different agendas.
Senior EU officials are nothing if not diplomatic in their language, you don't rise to such positions without being able to project calm order in the midst of difficult negotiations between 28 nations, each with their own agenda. For Tusk to make such a comment surely reflects the exasperation caused by negotiating with one country with 28 different agendas.
I don't disagree, but how that comment applies in an Irish context isn't isn't particularly helpful. The Politico article I linked too talks about how tensions between the various communities are rising and there are less mechanisms for addressing that as Stormont isn't meeting. The article is also interesting as it unpacks how both sides of the negotiation have misunderstood things there.
The EU can be as hopeless about reading the political climate in the UK as the UK is as reading the political climate in Brussels.
This is true.
Today's blooming hilarious Tusk quote is a case in point. While I also hope there will be a special circle in Hell * for all those Leavers Without A Clue, it's probably not helpful for him to state that quite so bluntly.
English is one of the languages widely understood in the EU, presumably from Varadkar's reaction Tusk's comments were mainly meant for Ireland and were seen to play well there.
Given that he tweeted the same comment rapidly thereafter, this was definitely planned not impulsive - presumably they are hoping looking hardline will get moderates to back May’s deal and/or make minor concessions look better when May brings them back.
Given that he tweeted the same comment rapidly thereafter, this was definitely planned not impulsive - presumably they are hoping looking hardline will get moderates to back May’s deal and/or make minor concessions look better when May brings them back.
Or they have given up on the UK and wanted to re-assure Ireland.
Senior EU officials are nothing if not diplomatic in their language, you don't rise to such positions without being able to project calm order in the midst of difficult negotiations between 28 nations, each with their own agenda. For Tusk to make such a comment surely reflects the exasperation caused by negotiating with one country with 28 different agendas.
I don't disagree, but how that comment applies in an Irish context isn't isn't particularly helpful. The Politico article I linked too talks about how tensions between the various communities are rising and there are less mechanisms for addressing that as Stormont isn't meeting. The article is also interesting as it unpacks how both sides of the negotiation have misunderstood things there.
The uncertainty over Brexit, which to a very large degree is an inevitable and foreseeable consequence of going to people with a question before those advocating Leave had worked out amongst themselves what they wanted to Leave to. Or, even with many prominent Leave campaigners not having an idea themselves what they would want if given an opportunity three years ago to enter such a discussion - and even now still don't appear to have even an outline of a plan. That uncertainty is one of the big problems faced by all parties - businesses, non-UK EU citizens in the EU and UK citizens in the EU, universities, politicians ... and the people of Ireland on both sides of the border. Brexit and the associated uncertainties have increased tensions between many communities, none less so than in Ireland.
Is it not unreasonable that those who created the problems, the people who advocated leaving the EU without so much as an outline plan for what they wanted and how to achieve it, be considered part of the problem. Their own circle of Hell seems a reasonable place for them to be.
Added to which, to be offended by Tusk's comment you would need to have campaigned for the UK leaving the EU without a plan for what you wanted to achieve or how to get there. To say you're offended means that you're publicly admitting that you had no plan, you might as well wear a sandwich board declaring "I'm an idiot and deserve all the approbation I receive".
Could Tusk's comments and apparent lack of regret for it shore up support for May among Tories, in the press, and perhaps among parts of the public and make things more difficult for anyone who wants to do anything that looks like backing down from the stance taken with the Brady amendment?
Could Tusk's comments and apparent lack of regret for it
After months of going all Godwin on Hitler comparisons, the pearl clutching over this one remark on the part of the press is quite something to behold.
Could Tusk's comments and apparent lack of regret for it
After months of going all Godwin on Hitler comparisons, the pearl clutching over this one remark on the part of the press is quite something to behold.
Indeed. And even if he didn't mean it, we are all in the shit if we hard brexit with (apparently, as it stands today) absolutely no plan as it how it is supposed to work.
He's not being offensive, he is telling it as it is: no-deal without a plan is chaos.
There is also the way some Brextremists are blaming (or preparing to blame) the EU for failing to come up with a deal that they're happy with, as though it's the job of the EU to define what Brexit should look like. The EU has negotiated a withdrawal agreement that they can work with, having compromised as far as they probably can to accommodate as far as possible what Mrs May was asking for. If the Brextremists in the UK want something different they need to say what that is, in detail with problems and feasible solutions identified ... and they needed to do that 2 years ago (if not before then). Attempting to shift the blame for the mess they've created is deserving of that special place.
But Brexstremists want us crash out. The more they can hold things up the more likely that is to happen. The man is right. Leaving with no plan is stupid in the extreme.
Wanting to crash out still requires a plan. There's still a bunch of things that need to be done, and deals to be negotiated. Where have those Brextremists been? Why haven't they been pushing for recruiting the customs officers that will be needed, and building the infrastructure at the ports and border crossing? Why haven't they been pushing to get the legislation necessary to implement new immigration rules, covering both EU citizens wanting to move to the UK after Brexit and those already settled here? Why haven't they specified what sort of trade deal they will seek to negotiate with the EU after Brexit? Or, trade deals to replace the dozens that will lapse post Brexit? How do they see management of fishing in UK coastal waters, or payments to farmers, or replacing EU structural funds? How do they want UK universities and other research organisations to collaborate with institutions overseas? How are they going to coordinate police investigations and sharing intelligence across Europe? They've had years to work out their answers to these questions, and more besides ... and all we get is repeated statements about "WTO rules", rules that a) don't exist in a vacuum and b) don't cover anything beyond trade (the clue is in the name).
How do they see management of fishing in UK coastal waters
Pay attention to this one.
Absolutely.
The stupidity annoys me. If you press Brexiteers on any detail you tend to get a bespoke variation on the same rhetorical device.
Q. Currently flights to and from European destinations are governed by an EU agreement. How will that work post Brexit?
A. It's in everyone's interest to come to an agreement.
This is true. It is known as a deal.
Q. Currently the European Arrest warrant allows for suspects that UK forces are chasing to be extradited to the UK.
A. It's in everyone's interest to come to an agreement.
This is true. It is known as a deal.
Pick any of the thousands of details thrown up by untangling the UK's relationship with the EU and you'll get this response.
Apparently it will all miraculously fall into place...
How do they see management of fishing in UK coastal waters
Pay attention to this one.
Absolutely.
The stupidity annoys me. If you press Brexiteers on any detail you tend to get a bespoke variation on the same rhetorical device.
Q. Currently flights to and from European destinations are governed by an EU agreement. How will that work post Brexit?
A. It's in everyone's interest to come to an agreement.
This is true. It is known as a deal.
Q. Currently the European Arrest warrant allows for suspects that UK forces are chasing to be extradited to the UK.
A. It's in everyone's interest to come to an agreement.
This is true. It is known as a deal.
Pick any of the thousands of details thrown up by untangling the UK's relationship with the EU and you'll get this response.
Apparently it will all miraculously fall into place...
AFZ
I think the EU is tired of doing their homework for them.
Yes crashing out should have a plan I agree. However being out of the EU is more important than anything else. They think we will Pheonix like rise from the ashes of Brexit with Jacob Reese-Mogg as new king and all our worries will be over.
I may be exaggerating a little there
Yes, but also probably tired of making agreements, which the Brits then want to change. So the current WA was set in stone, according to Mme May, until it wasn't. And didn't Davis come out of a meeting and say, of course these agreements are not binding? It goes beyond being unreliable, I don't think English has a word for it, maybe untrustworthy.
Yes, but also probably tired of making agreements, which the Brits then want to change. So the current WA was set in stone, according to Mme May, until it wasn't. And didn't Davis come out of a meeting and say, of course these agreements are not binding? It goes beyond being unreliable, I don't think English has a word for it, maybe untrustworthy.
The usual term is Lying. Treeza in particular has this as her default setting.
You would think that the international reputation of the UK in relation to agreements and negotiations is completely in the shitter, unless maybe it was already there, perfidious Albion, etc.
Seems to me that our only hope of getting decent trade deals now is to stay in the EU - nobody who's been watching this farce is going to want to do deals with us. Two years of negotiation to get precisely nowhere. Most other countries have better things to do with their time.
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Accept it wasn't 600 mps who voted against it was it - list
Not going to happen. MPs are desperate to avoid no deal and want a managed exit of some sort but most don't want to stop Brexit completely or be seen as obstructing it. They're at least 50 votes short of enough for a People's Vote even if Corbyn got off the fence and supported it.
The EU can be as hopeless about reading the political climate in the UK as the UK is as reading the political climate in Brussels. (It's not going to be cancelled and there's no way a long extension would make it through the Commons. A Customs Union might - but that would involve the EU looking at the Backstop again. And probably cause the Tories to combust ... But that's likely too happen anyway at some point this year).
But quite a few of Tories who voted against it are ones who've spoken out against no deal or called for a softer Brexit. It's those who annoy me the most. Perfectly happy to say the right words, but not back them up with actual deeds.
Any MP who wants to avoid a hard brexit has one option: forcing the PM to rescind A50. Anyone muntering on about anything else is talking bollocks.
I suspect that there is a large amount of play-acting going on in the HoC, with many MPs being perfectly aware of the reality in the HoC. It's now time to stop talking bollocks and start doing what needs to be done to rescind A50.
Either do it, or make the case for a hard brexit, or STFU.
Will all the people that Treeza hasn't lied to please form an orderly line? There won't be many people in it, I suspect.
Not going to happen. Most of them are aware of the reality, but feel that as people voted for leave the EU, they have to deliver it somehow. As the only voters who count voted Leave. * If they can do it without breaking everything in the process, it'll be a bonus.
In a weird way, the various Remain campaigns might have been better off trying to influence the shape of Brexit and push us toward the least damaging Norway style option rather than overturn the Referendum completely or going for a redo. The silence has allowed the likes of JRM and his ilk to fill the gap with unicorn fluff. We've totally been played.
The default option is no deal unless something major happens in the next few weeks.
* Quietly ignoring the potential impact of demographic changes or the reaction of voters when they realise that the unicorns they were promised by Leave will not be arriving. Although Labour isn't entirely guiltless here, the main faces of this whole mess are Tory.
Not quite. The government promised Nissan that its operations would not be “adversely affected” by Brexit and £80m towards investment at the site, but the letter said that money was “contingent too on a positive decision by the Nissan board to allocate production of the Qashqai and X-Trail models to the Sunderland plant”.
You could argue that the promise wasn't entirely in the government's gift as it depended on them making a deal with the EU - which they haven't.
The Guardian has the story and a link to the letter.
Yeah, I noted it was only just over 300. Then again, Jenkins has been spouting bollocks for a long time.
Hoggart, Ashdown, Churchill even - There are a few gone from this life who's opinions I would love to canvas.
Simon Hoggart was also chairman of the News Quiz, Radio 4, before Sandi took over.
I still think Simon Jenkins does have a point that there are other MPs culpable in this situation.
There does seem to be a tendency for the pro-Brexit side to attract the more violent and unpleasant people. Possibly the xenophobia and racism that is just below the surface of Brextremist rhetoric makes the likes of the EDL natural fellow travellers.
But I think the Remain side will get angry. We will not get as violent as Leave, but we could get dangerous - not because of the vote, but because of the abuse of democracy and the parliamentary process that we have seen.
Of course, it will be nothing compared to the violence that will erupt on (or about) the Irish border if that returns.
Maybe we need a revolution. Maybe that is the only way forward.
The only thing we can say is that it suits the purposes of both the fascists and the revolutionary Marxists to provoke a crisis and to fitment confrontations. The only question is how many of those on the fringes of those extremes will be sucked in.
I'm supposed to understand this shorthand, am I?
I don't think this is really true. Both groups only really want chaos, so they'll pick up anything they can as a reason for a fight.
The Marxists I've seen issuing death threats are on the side of Remain.
I don't think the idea is that any unrest post a no-deal will be on a Remain/Leave axis -- but along generalised/economic lines - like the fuel protests and the London riots.
I tend to agree; the fuel protests in the autumn of the year 2000, when depots were blockaded by strikers, meant that supermarkets were having trouble filling their shelves, holiday makers were stranded, and petrol stations ran out of fuel.
It could have got very nasty indeed. What it will be like if the usual food supplies simply don't happen for an extended period doesn't bear thinking about. And not thinking about it is just what this pathetic government is doing, unless you think giving contracts to ferry companies with no ships is a sensible strategy.
I see that Treeza is off to Belfast today, doing her usual trick of promising things that she knows she can't deliver, and the opposite of which she has just promised to someone else.
Today's blooming hilarious Tusk quote is a case in point. While I also hope there will be a special circle in Hell * for all those Leavers Without A Clue, it's probably not helpful for him to state that quite so bluntly. One of the first groups to agree with him was Sinn Fein but as the DUP are among those Leavers ...
Interesting, well balanced article in Politico unpacking the whole Britain-Ireland border issue if you fancy a read.
* And a public inquiry with teeth.
I don't disagree, but how that comment applies in an Irish context isn't isn't particularly helpful. The Politico article I linked too talks about how tensions between the various communities are rising and there are less mechanisms for addressing that as Stormont isn't meeting. The article is also interesting as it unpacks how both sides of the negotiation have misunderstood things there.
English is one of the languages widely understood in the EU, presumably from Varadkar's reaction Tusk's comments were mainly meant for Ireland and were seen to play well there.
Or they have given up on the UK and wanted to re-assure Ireland.
Is it not unreasonable that those who created the problems, the people who advocated leaving the EU without so much as an outline plan for what they wanted and how to achieve it, be considered part of the problem. Their own circle of Hell seems a reasonable place for them to be.
After months of going all Godwin on Hitler comparisons, the pearl clutching over this one remark on the part of the press is quite something to behold.
Indeed. And even if he didn't mean it, we are all in the shit if we hard brexit with (apparently, as it stands today) absolutely no plan as it how it is supposed to work.
He's not being offensive, he is telling it as it is: no-deal without a plan is chaos.
I have had enough of Right Wing Snowflakes to last me several lifetimes.
AFZ
Pay attention to this one.
That's been the case for years; Treeza is too stupid to see it.
Absolutely.
The stupidity annoys me. If you press Brexiteers on any detail you tend to get a bespoke variation on the same rhetorical device.
Q. Currently flights to and from European destinations are governed by an EU agreement. How will that work post Brexit?
A. It's in everyone's interest to come to an agreement.
This is true. It is known as a deal.
Q. Currently the European Arrest warrant allows for suspects that UK forces are chasing to be extradited to the UK.
A. It's in everyone's interest to come to an agreement.
This is true. It is known as a deal.
Pick any of the thousands of details thrown up by untangling the UK's relationship with the EU and you'll get this response.
Apparently it will all miraculously fall into place...
AFZ
I think the EU is tired of doing their homework for them.
I may be exaggerating a little there
The usual term is Lying. Treeza in particular has this as her default setting.