Sunday prohibitions

PuzzlerPuzzler Shipmate
Arising from the superstitions thread, what Sunday prohibitions existed in your childhood?
What made you ditch them?
Do any still exist today?

My parents were very strict about what was/ what wasn’t permitted on Sundays. No toys, games, but we were allowed crayoning books ( not paints) books and jigsaw puzzles. No outdoor play.
No sewing or knitting.
We didn’t have TV so that wasn’t an issue.

The worst day was when Christmas Day fell on a Sunday and we weren’t allowed to play with certain new toys, whilst the aforementioned crayoning books were allowed.
Eventually most of our presents turned out to be the sort that were permitted on Sundays anyway. Probably easier for two girls than boys. We acquired quite a collection of Bible-based games.

My parents amended their thinking later in life and I certainly changed my views once I left home.
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  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    We avoided shopping on a Sunday and I've generally avoided paid work (though I have relaxed that at need). I still don't shop on a Sunday if I can possibly avoid it and prefer not to put others in the position of having to work if there's a choice.
  • We didn't have a Sunday newspaper, and I've continued that habit my whole life.
  • SipechSipech Shipmate
    Signaller wrote: »
    We didn't have a Sunday newspaper, and I've continued that habit my whole life.
    My old headmaster wouldn't buy the Monday newspaper, for the reason that the work which went into it was all done on a Sunday.
  • PuzzlerPuzzler Shipmate
    I do try to avoid shopping on Sundays, though as I live almost opposite an Aldi I pop over the road if I have run out of something. Recently, when there was no service at my church one Sunday I went to an out of town store. First time ever. My daughter was shocked!

    When I went away to university and was trying to decide for myself, I heard a sermon on the subject of the Sabbath v Lord’s Day. By way of example the vicar said that his wife did not sew or knit on Sundays as she did a lot of that on weekdays, so she wrote letters. For him, letter writing was definitely work: on the other hand, he liked to do a bit of weaving if he had a spare hour on a Sunday. This was when I realised that there wasn’t a set list of prohibited activities for all Christians on Sundays ( such was my upbringing).
  • The Tony Hancock episode about Sunday afternoons gives a fair idea of how stultifying they could be in middle-class households in the 1950s. What was frowned on? Everything! Especially if it might involve the slightest enjoyment.
  • FirenzeFirenze Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    If ever I need to conjure an image of ultimate dreariness I think of a an inner city playground in 1950s Belfast on a wet Sunday. The roundabout is padlocked, the swings in locked bunches, the slides have metal bars at intervals down their entire length.

    My parents’ attitude is totally inconsistent. Sometimes we are dragooned to Sunday School, sometimes we go for a drive, or go visiting.
  • I do not remember Sunday strictures, we went to church, had Sunday Lunch went to Sunday School and the family had a cosy time with storytelling in the evening. TV was allowed, and we watched the children's story that was on, on a Sunday evening with Mum at some stage. My parents were probably quite strict Sabbatarians; they just chose to arrange the day so they did not have a battle. They would buy us ice cream from a van if we went out for a ride on a Sunday afternoon, but not go to a shop, and we never questioned it. Rides out in the car were supposed to be fun. I recall them being boring and nearly always ending in my sister and me fighting because we were bored.

    I still do not pay for something on a Sunday, and try to limit the work I expect others to do on a Sunday. However, I focus on positive things I do do, so time for prayer, bible study, that lie in I want etc.
  • When we moved to Ontario in the late 80s there was no Sunday shopping, and truck drivers could be fined $20 for being on the road. Sunday is almost as busy as any other day now. On the other hand, it's not that long since I was berated by a member of the congregation for nipping out to buy extra milk for the after-church coffee hour - I couldn't win that one either way.
  • We explored the island of Raasay (off Skye) in around 2010 and there was still a sign up on the children's play area saying These Swings Are Not to be Used on the Sabbath.
  • Not family, but local government rules when I was a child were that you could not buy anything; you had to cook from the store. Bread and milk, yes; meat, no. You could not have a drink in a restaurant on Sunday. These rules are long gone.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    March Hare wrote: »
    We explored the island of Raasay (off Skye) in around 2010 and there was still a sign up on the children's play area saying These Swings Are Not to be Used on the Sabbath.

    I think they still lock the play areas in Lewis & Harris, and all council leisure facilities are closed which is a source of disquiet as this extends to South Uist and Barra where most folk are RC.
  • jedijudyjedijudy Heaven Host
    When I moved to Florida from Pennsylvania over fifty years ago, I was very surprised to find out that the main grocery chain here was closed on Sundays! We didn't have that in PA. Sundays became regular shopping days at the MGC in 1983. That was a bit sad, but also was very convenient.

    Since I worked all day on Sundays it never made much difference to me anyway!
  • No real prohibitions in my family, though we lived in an area that had strict prohibitions. No alcohol sales. Certain businesses were not open--usually owned by Mormons. We took advantage of that when my kids were young. We would go into a store that would rent VHS tapes (remember them?) Rent them for one night, but we did not have to return them until Monday morning. I tell you, it was a racket.
  • Until 2002 one could not buy petrol (and lots of other things) on Guernsey. However one was unlikely to make lengthy journeys ...
  • SipechSipech Shipmate
    Of course. That was before sat navs would've sent dopey drivers to try to cross the sea.
    c.f. last week's news article about an Amazon driver on the Broomway.
  • HeavenlyannieHeavenlyannie Shipmate
    edited February 23
    I was brought up in a non-Christian household in the 1970s and 1980s so did not have any restrictions imposed other than those by the state in relation to shop opening; I roamed about as the free ranging feral youth that I was.
    By the time I became a Christian I was working as a nurse doing shifts at weekends so keeping Sunday special was never a feature.
  • Some Christians were so busy on the Day of Rest (choir practice, morning service, Sunday School, open-air meeting, evening service, youth fellowship ...) that they never had time to do anything else!
  • The_RivThe_Riv Shipmate
    There are six US States that still prohibit the sale of alcohol on Sundays: Alabama, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Texas and Utah.
  • The_Riv wrote: »
    There are six US States that still prohibit the sale of alcohol on Sundays: Alabama, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Texas and Utah.

    Does that mean only hard liquor? At the risk of this becoming an autobiography, when we were in Texas near Fort Worth, before moving to Ontario, you could buy beer in the grocery store on Sunday, but only after 12:00 noon. This meant that just before that hour you would see a lot of people standing around near the check-outs with their beer waiting for it to be legal to pay for it.
  • As an undergraduate in the late 1960s I wouldn't study on a Sunday, spening the day with a lovely Brethren family who had taken me under their wing. One Lord's day, at the morning 'Breaking of bread,' a respected elder stood up and said as a special dispensation, we could watch a crucial England vs Germany football match on the BBC that evening. Happy days!
  • The_Riv wrote: »
    There are six US States that still prohibit the sale of alcohol on Sundays: Alabama, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Texas and Utah.
    North Carolina doesn’t prohibit the sale of alcohol on Sundays, though there are some restrictions. ABC stores—Alcoholic Beverage Control stores, which are operated by local ABC commissions and which are the only places liquor can be legally purchased in North Carolina—are closed on Sunday. But beer, wine, hard cider, etc., can all be sold on Sundays, as can mixed drinks in bars and restaurants. (In some places, local ordinances provide that those sales can only happen after 10 a.m. or after noon.)
    I grew up with some restrictions—not surprising being Presbyterian, in the American South, and from a family full of Presbyterian ministers and elders.

    For us, it boiled down to spending money. No shopping, for example. We could watch tv, but we couldn’t go to the movies. We could swim at the pool where we had a membership, but we couldn’t swim at the town pool, which had an hourly fee.

    Of course, the glaring exception to this was that we’d sometimes go out for lunch after church. That seemed to happen more as I got older, which coincided with my mother going back to work as a teacher. To be fair, she’d readily admit the lack of consistency there. She would note that the restrictions had eased over the generations, and she was willing to ease them a little further.

    Also to be fair, while the restrictions were pretty much imposed when we were children, as we got older it was made clear we could make our own choices, and could do so without worrying about disapproval from our parents.


  • CaissaCaissa Shipmate
    When I was young, most stores were closed on Sundays by law. New Brunswick, Canada.
  • My family was not really Christian, so Sunday was like any other day. When I married and moved to Missouri, I was astonished to find that you couldn't buy alcohol on Sundays (though you can now). The grocery stores would block off those aisles physically. We found it a pain, as once or twice we needed wine for communion and hadn't got our planning together in time...
  • We avoided shopping on a Sunday and I've generally avoided paid work (though I have relaxed that at need). I still don't shop on a Sunday if I can possibly avoid it and prefer not to put others in the position of having to work if there's a choice.

    That's my view too. Though I have been an inconsiderate, arbitrary so-and-so with other people's sabbath - I remember being put out that just about the only petrol one could find in N.Wales on a Sunday was at Betws-y-Coed, and I got there on fumes once or twice. Nowadays it's one of those things which is definitely not utilitarian, my choices having a vanishingly small effect on the lives of those who have to work on a Sunday. I try to do it anyway.
  • There was a quite prevalent idea in the evangelical wing of the Church of Scotland, when I worshipped there about 15 years ago, that Sunday was 'for the family', which led to some of the children not being able to play with their friends or join sports teams with Sunday training sessions.

    As I don't have children, and lived hundreds of miles from my parents, it wasn't a decision I had to make. My own childhood followed this pattern, often visiting both sets of grandparents, even though my parents were agnostic, so it may be as much a cultural as Christian habit.
  • LydaLyda Shipmate
    All these customs are foreign to me as a cradle Episcopalian from California. I'm still confused by how the edict against working on the Sabbath became an edict against things that make you happy. And if things that can make you happy like sewing and handcrafts can be called work, or cooking that makes the family happy...? A good friend of mine said that her Catholic mom used to say the Rosary while cooking and making clothes for her big family. Sounds pretty holy to me.
  • AravisAravis Shipmate
    No shopping, no Sunday paper (it’s now the only day of the week we do get a physical newspaper!). Lots of church, Sunday roast early afternoon as the morning service wasn’t till 11am; not much time for anything else so I wasn’t quite sure what restrictions applied. I do remember watching TV in the evening though Mum switched off “That’s Life” if it got too rude (as it usually did).
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    RockyRoger wrote: »
    As an undergraduate in the late 1960s I wouldn't study on a Sunday, spening the day with a lovely Brethren family who had taken me under their wing. One Lord's day, at the morning 'Breaking of bread,' a respected elder stood up and said as a special dispensation, we could watch a crucial England vs Germany football match on the BBC that evening. Happy days!

    He meant he wanted to watch the England vs Germany football match. 😉
  • CathscatsCathscats Shipmate
    edited February 24
    Growing up it was Church and/or Sunday School (which we adored, my Dad was brilliant with kids) in the morning, a special lunch and often a visit to one or other set of grandparents. We didn’t shop - but then not much was open if we had wanted to - and we had no Sunday Paper, which as kids we did not miss. The one restriction that bothered us was that we weren’t to play with our friends that day, as if we were not visiting it would be a family walk, which was not popular. But even then my parents mould make it fun as it often became “taking the car for a walk” when my parents would agree a rout and father and two children would set off on foot. Mother and other child would get in the car and drive for half a mile, then stop, get out, lock up and continue to walk. When the first party reached the car they got in and drove half a mile, overtaking the walkers, with much honking and waving. And so on . Roads were narrow country roads and it was all good fun, also we got further afield that way!

    Oh and there would be a “Sunday Cake” for tea. Which meant Mum had iced it.
  • My father grew up in pre-WW1 Germany where, of course, Sundays were viewed differently.

    He had memories of Sunday trips by local train, then a walk before returning home.

    The amusing thing is that his family weren't poor, yet they always travelled in fourth class (basically a cattle wagon with a bench round the sides) because it was a short journey and the train took the same time whichever carriage one was in!
  • PuzzlerPuzzler Shipmate
    I remember being invited as a family to Sunday dinner at the home of friends of my parents. After the meal their children took us to play in the garden. My sister and I followed our parents’ rules and did not join in their ball games. The other children asked us why and we just said we weren’t allowed to At that age, we did wonder why our families had different rules even though both were Christian families, but would not have dared to disobey.

    Strangely, when we were teenagers we transferred to a church in the city, as it had more to offer for teenagers. This meant using buses ( making somebody work) . I suppose my parents thought it was for our greater good.
  • The_RivThe_Riv Shipmate
    The_Riv wrote: »
    There are six US States that still prohibit the sale of alcohol on Sundays: Alabama, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Texas and Utah.

    Does that mean only hard liquor? At the risk of this becoming an autobiography, when we were in Texas near Fort Worth, before moving to Ontario, you could buy beer in the grocery store on Sunday, but only after 12:00 noon. This meant that just before that hour you would see a lot of people standing around near the check-outs with their beer waiting for it to be legal to pay for it.

    I meant hard liquor, spirits, sold at ABC Stores, State Stores, etc. as @Nick Tamen has rightfully specified (Thanks, Nick). Even here in Mississippi -- the creased, cracked, hole-stretched, faded patch of worn leather under the tarnished buckle of the American Bible Belt, one can buy beer in at least 1/3 of counties, with time restrictions, on Sundays. We can also have wine or beer or mixed drinks in restaurants on Sundays as in NC. The MS Legislature is currently debating a bill that would lift Sunday liquor restrictions altogether. One Representative quipped that passing it would help bring MS into the 21st century. A friend mused that it would help bring MS forward -- but only into the 20th.
  • SpikeSpike Ecclesiantics & MW Host, Admin Emeritus
    A friend of mine (now sadly departed) who was originally from Glasgow and a staunch socialist was a member of his local Conservative Club when he was young because it was the only place he could get a drink on a Sunday
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    I do wonder what the thinking behind some of these prohibitions was - I can sort of understand the ones that require someone else working to provide a service - but some of the others don't seem to grasp to concept of the Sabbath being for rest and recreation.
  • When did cricket Test Matches stop having the Sunday as a rest day I wonder? It was certainly post-1990, plus of course remember how shops used to be shut on a Sunday?
  • I agree. They seem to offer a very rules-based concept of religion which - to me at least - seems to fly in the face of Jesus's approach.
  • PuzzlerPuzzler Shipmate
    Exactly, and imposing those rules on young children made no sense.
  • When did cricket Test Matches stop having the Sunday as a rest day I wonder? It was certainly post-1990, plus of course remember how shops used to be shut on a Sunday?

    The first series to feature Sunday play in England was in 1981, possibly the greatest series of all.

  • sionisais wrote: »
    When did cricket Test Matches stop having the Sunday as a rest day I wonder? It was certainly post-1990, plus of course remember how shops used to be shut on a Sunday?

    The first series to feature Sunday play in England was in 1981, possibly the greatest series of all.

    Intriguing - because of how and where I remember Gooch's 333, I'm sure there must have been a rest day on Sunday. Was it an irregular thing by then?
  • KarlLB wrote: »
    I do wonder what the thinking behind some of these prohibitions was - I can sort of understand the ones that require someone else working to provide a service - but some of the others don't seem to grasp to concept of the Sabbath being for rest and recreation.
    I suspect that’s because of a different understanding of what the Sabbath is for. Coming from a tradition that historically could be pretty strict about Sabbath-keeping, I think the understanding that underlies these prohibitions is not primarily “rest and recreation,” but rather “remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy.”

    Keeping the day holy was the driving concept. In the words of the answers to question 60 and 61 of the Westminster Shorter Catechism:
    The Sabbath is to be sanctified by a holy resting all that day,
    even from such worldly employments and recreations as are lawful on other days; and spending the whole time in the public and private exercises of God’s worship, except so much as is to be taken up in the works of necessity and mercy.

    The Fourth Commandment forbiddeth the omission, or careless performance, of the duties required, and the profaning the day by idleness, or doing that which is in itself sinful, or by unnecessary thoughts, words, or works, about our worldly employments or recreations.

    I recall a study of the Ten Commandments in the Presbyterian campus ministry group when I was in law school. In talking about the 4th Commandment, the campus minister (who had been raised in the Christian Reformed Church of North America, historically pretty strict about Sabbath-keeping) said that asking what we’re prohibited from doing on Sunday was asking the wrong question. The question, she said, should be what are we freed to do—freed by not having to work or deal with those things we have to deal with every other day. That has stuck with me.

    I still hear conversations in the PC(USA) about Sabbath-keeping with some regularity. Often, at least one or two people involved in those conversations express some regret over “what has been lost.” Typically, those conversations have a focus consistent with that expressed by my campus minister decades ago—what are we freed to do rather than what are we prohibited from doing.

    But even so, I think the question of “How do we acknowledge and participate in the holiness of the day” remains fundamental in those conversations. For example, the approach is likely to be less about simply what would be fun or enjoyable and more about what nurtures relationships with family and friends.


  • The_RivThe_Riv Shipmate
    It's difficult to know what perspective modern Christians are to have on the OT's Ten Commandments. Jesus extended or reaffirmed a number of them, but I don't believe the Sabbath commandment was one of them. And he certainly ran amok of the authorities of his time by performing miracles (working) on the Sabbath. Yet he taught in more than one instance that the Law was essential, even required for righteousness. So, like many other aspects of Christianity, we are left to do as we see fit.

    One of the great laments among American Christians of numerous stripes was the fairly recent encroachment of recreational youth sports onto Sundays. It seems to have started with soccer, but sports of all sorts now feature games on Sundays. Because of the ridiculous cult of athletics in this country, few seem to be able to withstand that reality regardless of the staunchness of their faith.
  • The_Riv wrote: »
    It's difficult to know what perspective modern Christians are to have on the OT's Ten Commandments. Jesus extended or reaffirmed a number of them, but I don't believe the Sabbath commandment was one of them. And he certainly ran amok of the authorities of his time by performing miracles (working) on the Sabbath.
    Though I would say that he answered the criticisms of those religious authorities by saying that saying that healing on the Sabbath was, contrary to their positions, consistent with what the Sabbath was really about.


  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    I'm thinking of his "the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath", in the context of his disciples breaking one of the minutiae of restrictions.
  • Nick Tamen wrote: »
    KarlLB wrote: »
    I do wonder what the thinking behind some of these prohibitions was - I can sort of understand the ones that require someone else working to provide a service - but some of the others don't seem to grasp to concept of the Sabbath being for rest and recreation.
    I suspect that’s because of a different understanding of what the Sabbath is for. Coming from a tradition that historically could be pretty strict about Sabbath-keeping, I think the understanding that underlies these prohibitions is not primarily “rest and recreation,” but rather “remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy.”

    Keeping the day holy was the driving concept. In the words of the answers to question 60 and 61 of the Westminster Shorter Catechism:
    The Sabbath is to be sanctified by a holy resting all that day,
    even from such worldly employments and recreations as are lawful on other days; and spending the whole time in the public and private exercises of God’s worship, except so much as is to be taken up in the works of necessity and mercy.

    The Fourth Commandment forbiddeth the omission, or careless performance, of the duties required, and the profaning the day by idleness, or doing that which is in itself sinful, or by unnecessary thoughts, words, or works, about our worldly employments or recreations.

    I recall a study of the Ten Commandments in the Presbyterian campus ministry group when I was in law school. In talking about the 4th Commandment, the campus minister (who had been raised in the Christian Reformed Church of North America, historically pretty strict about Sabbath-keeping) said that asking what we’re prohibited from doing on Sunday was asking the wrong question. The question, she said, should be what are we freed to do—freed by not having to work or deal with those things we have to deal with every other day. That has stuck with me.

    I still hear conversations in the PC(USA) about Sabbath-keeping with some regularity. Often, at least one or two people involved in those conversations express some regret over “what has been lost.” Typically, those conversations have a focus consistent with that expressed by my campus minister decades ago—what are we freed to do rather than what are we prohibited from doing.

    But even so, I think the question of “How do we acknowledge and participate in the holiness of the day” remains fundamental in those conversations. For example, the approach is likely to be less about simply what would be fun or enjoyable and more about what nurtures relationships with family and friends.


    As a confirmand in the LCMS at the time, I was taught to Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy meant We should fear and love God so that we do not neglect the preaching of his word, but gladly hear and learn it. (this is from memory). The emphasis was on honoring the spoken word, not honoring the 24 hour day.
  • The_Riv wrote: »
    One of the great laments among American Christians of numerous stripes was the fairly recent encroachment of recreational youth sports onto Sundays. It seems to have started with soccer, but sports of all sorts now feature games on Sundays. Because of the ridiculous cult of athletics in this country, few seem to be able to withstand that reality regardless of the staunchness of their faith.
    True of UK too, especially where young people are concerned.

  • Gramps49 wrote: »
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    KarlLB wrote: »
    I do wonder what the thinking behind some of these prohibitions was - I can sort of understand the ones that require someone else working to provide a service - but some of the others don't seem to grasp to concept of the Sabbath being for rest and recreation.
    I suspect that’s because of a different understanding of what the Sabbath is for. Coming from a tradition that historically could be pretty strict about Sabbath-keeping, I think the understanding that underlies these prohibitions is not primarily “rest and recreation,” but rather “remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy.”

    Keeping the day holy was the driving concept. In the words of the answers to question 60 and 61 of the Westminster Shorter Catechism:
    The Sabbath is to be sanctified by a holy resting all that day,
    even from such worldly employments and recreations as are lawful on other days; and spending the whole time in the public and private exercises of God’s worship, except so much as is to be taken up in the works of necessity and mercy.

    The Fourth Commandment forbiddeth the omission, or careless performance, of the duties required, and the profaning the day by idleness, or doing that which is in itself sinful, or by unnecessary thoughts, words, or works, about our worldly employments or recreations.

    I recall a study of the Ten Commandments in the Presbyterian campus ministry group when I was in law school. In talking about the 4th Commandment, the campus minister (who had been raised in the Christian Reformed Church of North America, historically pretty strict about Sabbath-keeping) said that asking what we’re prohibited from doing on Sunday was asking the wrong question. The question, she said, should be what are we freed to do—freed by not having to work or deal with those things we have to deal with every other day. That has stuck with me.

    I still hear conversations in the PC(USA) about Sabbath-keeping with some regularity. Often, at least one or two people involved in those conversations express some regret over “what has been lost.” Typically, those conversations have a focus consistent with that expressed by my campus minister decades ago—what are we freed to do rather than what are we prohibited from doing.

    But even so, I think the question of “How do we acknowledge and participate in the holiness of the day” remains fundamental in those conversations. For example, the approach is likely to be less about simply what would be fun or enjoyable and more about what nurtures relationships with family and friends.

    As a confirmand in the LCMS at the time, I was taught to Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy meant We should fear and love God so that we do not neglect the preaching of his word, but gladly hear and learn it. (this is from memory). The emphasis was on honoring the spoken word, not honoring the 24 hour day.
    The traditional Reformed/Presbyterian understanding was that the entire 24-hour day (or at least as much of it as one was awake) was to be spent “in the public and private exercises of God’s worship, except so much as is to be taken up in the works of necessity and mercy.” Traditionally, this meant multiple services and catechesis on Sundays.

    For example, the Heidelberg Catechism, traditionally used in Dutch and German Reformed churches, organizes its questions into 52 “Lord’s Day” sections, with the idea of publicly working through the catechism in one year. Friends who grew up in the Christian Reformed Church of North America (Dutch Reformed in heritage) remember such catechesis during Sunday evening services as a regular part of their childhood.


  • Another perspective... Our minister once encountered a lapsed member of the congregation and asked if her family might be coming back. The reply was something like, "Oh no - we've done church. We've moved on to hockey now". (Early Sunday mornings being ice time for many amateur teams).
  • The_RivThe_Riv Shipmate
    I remember my parents becoming annoyed when any of our neighbors mowed their lawns on Sunday afternoons. In their opinions, yard work was to be done on Saturdays so that properties were at their most appealing on Sundays when people were going to and from church.
  • Getting back to cricket, I can remember Brian Johnston (commentator on the radio, who seemed rather uncomfortable with the idea of playing on Sunday) saying "If you've been to church, I hope you had a good sermon"
  • Getting back to cricket, I can remember Brian Johnston (commentator on the radio, who seemed rather uncomfortable with the idea of playing on Sunday) saying "If you've been to church, I hope you had a good sermon"

    I’m not certain (it was a very long time ago) but when the Sunday League started in England and Wales, Johnners wasn’t a commentator. That could have led to him being used less for Test matches too.

    I do know that Vic Pollard of New Zealand retired from Test cricket when asked to play on a Sunday, and Euan Murray, the Scotland prop forward and Michael Jones, the All Blacks flanker would not play on Sunday

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