Vanished from view: books and authors nobody reads any more

March HareMarch Hare Shipmate
Seeing Innocent Blood in the Book Club started me thinking about books and authors hugely popular in their own day which have largely sunk beneath the waves. Who now reads Arnold Bennett, Joseph Conrad or John Galsworthy? - but there are examples from much more recent times: Ellis Peters, James Herriot, even PDJ herself.

What are the books or authors which gave you pleasure but which nobody seems to read any more? If you could nominate one 'forgotten' author for revival, who would it be?

I'll start by nominating JB Priestley and 'Good Companions'.
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  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    edited March 16
    I still have an almost complete set of Brother Cadfael, which I keep telling myself I must read again.

    They were some of the very few books of David's that I kept after he died; the rest went to a charity shop.
  • Jane RJane R Shipmate
    Edward Bulwer-Lytton is an oft-cited example: wildly popular Victorian novelist, remembered nowadays mostly for having begun a book with the immortal words 'It was a dark and stormy night.'
  • DafydDafyd Hell Host
    It seems to me that Conrad is still easy to find in bookshops.

    I was wondering whether anyone, even people who reads poetry, reads poems like Byron's Don Juan or Spenser's The Faerie Queene, who isn't doing so for academic purposes
  • ChastMastrChastMastr Shipmate
    Dafyd wrote: »
    It seems to me that Conrad is still easy to find in bookshops.

    I was wondering whether anyone, even people who reads poetry, reads poems like Byron's Don Juan or Spenser's The Faerie Queene, who isn't doing so for academic purposes

    Sadly, I think a lot of classic literature in general has fallen into the "just for college classes" category. :(
  • MarthaMartha Shipmate
    Is James Herriot forgotten? I've just been re-reading his veterinary adventures.

    I always assume that everyone has read, or at least heard of, Terry Pratchett, but when I mention him I am sometimes met with blank looks. Not so much forgotten, just less mainstream than I think he is.
  • NicoleMRNicoleMR Shipmate
    I recently had a conversation with people around my age who had never heard of the story The Devil and and Daniel Webster.
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    Martha wrote: »
    Is James Herriot forgotten? I've just been re-reading his veterinary adventures.
    Not at all. The latest TV adaptation seems to have revived his popularity.

  • ChastMastrChastMastr Shipmate
    NicoleMR wrote: »
    I recently had a conversation with people around my age who had never heard of the story The Devil and and Daniel Webster.

    Much less the animated Devil and Daniel Mouse, possibly. :( I’ve seen parts of that but I need to watch it in its entirety. It’s by Nelvana!
  • ChastMastrChastMastr Shipmate
    I love Dante. It seems that the vast majority of people only know about the Inferno, though, rather than, you know, the other 2/3 of the epic poem…
  • Do people read JRR Tolkien, rather than just seeing the films?
    Downsizing had caused me to give them away, apart from Tree and Leaf, and Smith of Wooton Major.
  • Also, the poems of John Betjeman. I have three CDs of them spoken to music.

    As I grew up in Middlesex near Harrow on the Hill I like his poetry that mentions those places, and the Underground trains that passed through their stations.
  • ChastMastrChastMastr Shipmate
    Do people read JRR Tolkien, rather than just seeing the films?
    Downsizing had caused me to give them away, apart from Tree and Leaf, and Smith of Wooton Major.

    Absolutely!! I should reread mine… It’s been too long!

    And my Lewis.

    And my Williams…
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    Do people read JRR Tolkien, rather than just seeing the films?
    Downsizing had caused me to give them away, apart from Tree and Leaf, and Smith of Wooton Major.
    Our daughter’s boyfriend is reading LOTR now. (I read it about every other year, always in the fall.)


  • ChastMastr wrote: »
    I love Dante. It seems that the vast majority of people only know about the Inferno, though, rather than, you know, the other 2/3 of the epic poem…

    It's a shame, really. I confess i haven't made it through the Paradiso. But the Purgatorio is lovely, and a breath of fresh air compared to the fetid Inferno (which is that way on purpose, I know).
  • Piglet wrote: »
    I still have an almost complete set of Brother Cadfael, which I keep telling myself I must read again.

    They were some of the very few books of David's that I kept after he died; the rest went to a charity shop.

    I read one last week. And saw one of the TV adaptations, which might leave some things to be desired, but do have the merit of containing Derek Jacobi. I have several James Herriot books on my shelves.

    @Martha: I maintain that Sir Pterry is completely mainstream, as long as you keep the right company.

    @LatchKeyKid I read the Silmarillion again earlier this year. I really can't make it through the rather turgid History of Middle Earth collections.
  • SarasaSarasa All Saints Host
    When I first worked in libraries in the early 1970s the shelves were full of Mazo de la Roche Jalna series. I never read it and don’t know any one else who did either.
  • SandemaniacSandemaniac Shipmate
    edited March 17
    Martha wrote: »
    Is James Herriot forgotten? I've just been re-reading his veterinary adventures.

    I always assume that everyone has read, or at least heard of, Terry Pratchett, but when I mention him I am sometimes met with blank looks. Not so much forgotten, just less mainstream than I think he is.

    I have Interesting Times by Terry Pratchett on my lap as I type this. And yes, I'm reading it, I was distracted by an ebay sale going "Kerching!" on my phone.
  • MaryLouiseMaryLouise Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    I'm enthralled by several women authors nobody seems to read now, though they have smallish cult followings: Sylvia Townsend Warner, Ivy Compton Burnett, Barbara Pym. And South African authors like Olive Schreiner ( Story of an African Farm) and Pauline Smith's stories of the early 1900s in the Klein Karoo are wonderful.
  • One of my favourite writers when I was growing up was Gerald Durrell. I loved his books and his passion for wildlife. Visiting his zoo on Jersey was an amazing moment for me.
  • There is an Arnold Bennett Society in Stoke-on-Trent whose acolytes eagerly await his return.

    Like the Once And Future King - which reminds me that T H White doesn't appear to be on anyone's radar despite providing a kind of sub-plot in H is for Hawk.

    I've heard that all references to him have been dropped from the film adaptation.

    Someone whose name has cropped up a few times recently in my reading about 'mystical' writers and nature writers is Richard Jeffries.

    Does anyone still read him?

    He grew up in a village near Swindon and wrote novels and articles with a focus on the natural world. He was a big influence on the poet Edward Thomas apparently. Thomas wrote his biography.

    Jefferies was an early pioneer of what we would call science fiction today. His novel After London envisages a dystopian future where things revert to medieval conditions.

    There is a small museum dedicated to him in his home village. I wonder if it gets many visitors?

    I've not read any Jefferies but perhaps I'll get around to it once I've read all those books which are crying out 'How long O Gamaliel, how long? Read us ... read us ...' or even more plaintively, 'Finish reading us ...'
  • Iris Murdoch's star seems on the wane.

    How about Penelope Lively or Beryl Bainbridge?
  • March HareMarch Hare Shipmate
    Iris Murdoch's star seems on the wane.

    How about Penelope Lively or Beryl Bainbridge?

    Penelope Lively was always an example of a very good author 'hidden in plain sight'. Her books still stand up well. AS Byatt probably belongs with Murdoch and Bainbridge, as a literary novelist who won lots of plaudits and prizes but hasn't quite had the staying power.
  • EnochEnoch Shipmate
    There was a series of 15 minute slots on Radio 4 recently reviewing seven works by Evelyn Waugh, who I have long thought, however rude he might sometimes have been in life, was an excellent author. I think his Sword of Honour trilogy, and the profound question marks that it never answers, is one of the best books written in the twentieth century.

  • MaryLouise wrote: »
    I'm enthralled by several women authors nobody seems to read now, though they have smallish cult followings: Sylvia Townsend Warner, Ivy Compton Burnett, Barbara Pym. And South African authors like Olive Schreiner ( Story of an African Farm) and Pauline Smith's stories of the early 1900s in the Klein Karoo are wonderful.

    I still haven't read Olive Schreiner but I should - I am haunted by an all too brief stay in the Karoo. I loved Eve Palmer's The Plains of Camdeboo.
  • MarthaMartha Shipmate
    I had a Penelope Lively children's book for years and years, and loved it. It wasn't until relatively recently that I thought to Google her and discovered she had written lots of adult books, too.

    @Gamma Gamaliel Yes, I have read H is for Hawk and seen the film, and they did indeed cut all the TH White references. I was fully expecting that though, and they stayed remarkably close to the book for the rest of it.

    I know of him but his books are mentally filed in my "old fashioned children's books" category, along with Robinson Crusoe and Gulliver's Travels.
  • Gamma GamalielGamma Gamaliel Shipmate
    edited March 17
    Guliver's Travels is still bitingly satirical. There's material in there that doesn't get into the kiddies' versions.

    The Life And Strange Surprising Adventures Of Robinson Crusoe Of York, Mariner, how he ... etc is a rather turgid read and Defoe's ending where Crusoe returns to the island, cuts down all the trees and turns into a slave plantation doesn't appear in any children's version I'm aware of.

    Like many of my generation I retain a soft-spot for the 1964 French TV series which was dubbed into English and shown repeatedly on BBC children's television for the rest of that decade.

    Iconic soundtrack.

    @Enoch, yes, Waugh, what is he good for? Overdue a reevaluation I think.

    Tolkien's still popular and has been mentioned but does anyone still read Mervyn Peake?
  • FirenzeFirenze Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    Martha wrote: »
    I know of him but his books are mentally filed in my "old fashioned children's books" category, along with Robinson Crusoe and Gulliver's Travels.

    It's odd those, originally written for an adult audience are now 'children's' - the latter particularly. Is it just the Lilliputian section? And do they leave in the bit about putting out a fire in the royal palace by pissing on it?

    The authors I read as a child were Rosemary Sutcliffe, Richmal Crompton, Henry Treece, Geoffrey Trease, Arthur Ransome, John Masefield, Elizabeth Goudge - any of those still on the shelves?
  • SipechSipech Shipmate
    I researched something akin to this for a family quiz at Christmas. One name I came across was Edgar Wallace. I'd never heard of him, but he's listed, by Wikipedia, as the 31st best selling author of fiction of all time.

    One set of books I do remember reading as a kid was the Hardy Boys, but I've not heard them mentioned in a long time.
  • At school I read and enjoyed C P Snow's "The New Men", I then went on to read most of his "Strangers and Brothers" opus. But no-one mentions them nowadays.
  • chrisstileschrisstiles Hell Host
    Firenze wrote: »
    Martha wrote: »
    I know of him but his books are mentally filed in my "old fashioned children's books" category, along with Robinson Crusoe and Gulliver's Travels.

    It's odd those, originally written for an adult audience are now 'children's' - the latter particularly. Is it just the Lilliputian section? And do they leave in the bit about putting out a fire in the royal palace by pissing on it?

    The authors I read as a child were Rosemary Sutcliffe, Richmal Crompton, Henry Treece, Geoffrey Trease, Arthur Ransome, John Masefield, Elizabeth Goudge - any of those still on the shelves?

    My feeling is that children's authors have experienced much more churn because a bunch of books have either aged out or aged badly, and the standard of the best authors has - if anything - gone up, as it's become a much more from a literary perspective.

    I've read a number of those authors, but largely because my father was fond of buying job lots of secondhand books - many by then decades old - but I don't think many of them are still on the shelves (bar maybe Ransome).

    Similarly, I assume a lot of boys own/war adjacent stuff has aged badly/out (Biggles, John Harris etc).
  • Firenze wrote: »
    Martha wrote: »
    I know of him but his books are mentally filed in my "old fashioned children's books" category, along with Robinson Crusoe and Gulliver's Travels.

    It's odd those, originally written for an adult audience are now 'children's' - the latter particularly. Is it just the Lilliputian section? And do they leave in the bit about putting out a fire in the royal palace by pissing on it?

    The authors I read as a child were Rosemary Sutcliffe, Richmal Crompton, Henry Treece, Geoffrey Trease, Arthur Ransome, John Masefield, Elizabeth Goudge - any of those still on the shelves?

    Almost the same as my list. I am guessing that Rosemary Sutcliffe will be the last to be forgotten. Memory of the BBC Children's Hour adaptation of The Eagle of The Ninth is still clear - it was brilliant.
  • RockyRogerRockyRoger Shipmate
    I loved Richard Jeffries as a boy (especially Bevis) and E. Nesbit, who I still read when in bed and very poorly.
    Alan Garner, anybody?
  • March HareMarch Hare Shipmate
    At school I read and enjoyed C P Snow's "The New Men", I then went on to read most of his "Strangers and Brothers" opus. But no-one mentions them nowadays.

    When I first discovered them I was really taken. They still make a good read if you like politics (university politics, national politics, family politics, etc etc) but I find it easier now to see Snow's weaknesses and pomposity.
  • Garner is still popular, particularly here on his home-patch.

    Henry Treece ... ah yes.

    Does anyone remember G A Henty?

    All that rah-rah jingoistic stuff was out of fashion in the '60s but the books were still lurking in school libraries.

    Does anyone still read Conan Doyle's historical fiction? The White Company?

    He thought that stuff was better than Sherlock Holmes.

    Does anyone read any R L Stephenson other than Jekyll & Hyde, Treasure Island and Travels With A Donkey In The Cevannes?

    I looked back at some of his writing recently and was taken by how concise and compelling it was.

    When it comes to children's fiction the Uncle books by J P Martin are sadly neglected.

    An eccentric elephant living in a rambling castle called Homeward and waging a class war against Beaver Hateman and his gang made it far too 'classist' for a Britain rapidly modernising under the Wilson government.

    But there was a subtlety there. Uncle was pompous and 'entitled' and had skeletons in his cupboard. He once nicked a bicycle.

    And with illustrations by Quentin Blake what wasn't to like?
  • March HareMarch Hare Shipmate
    Talking of Quentin Blake starts another train of thought: perhaps there should be another thread about books which should be forgotten. Because the works of Roald Dahl would top my list.
  • My reading at the moment is almost exclusively from the
    British Library Crime Classics collection

    Great crime novels from the 20s, 30s, 40s and 50s. I've been introduced to a lot of authors who are mostly forgotten these days but back then were equal to - if not better than - the ubiquitous Agatha Christie. People like Freeman Wills Croft, John Bude, Carol Carnac, Anthony Berkeley, Christiana Brand and many many more. So far, my collection of these books totals over 80!

    A particular recent like was Murder After Christmas by Rupert Latimer. It's very funny, with everybody lying in the attempt to protect each other. Trying work out what actually happened is very difficult. It would make a wonderful TV special.

    Another favourite (for very different reasons) is
    Before The Fact by Francis Iles (a pen name for Anthony Berkeley Cox). This was made into the film Suspicion by Alfred Hitchcock, starring Cary Grant. I won't give away the details, except to say that whilst Cary Grant is excellent, the book is far darker than the film and the ending is far far darker and more shocking than Hollywood would ever have allowed.
  • Yes, Rosemary Sutcliff is still read, particularly The Eagle of the Ninth.
  • Tree BeeTree Bee Shipmate
    Libraries used to have several shelves of Catherine Cooksons. I read my way through Jane Duncan’s My Friend… books which I can’t find now.
  • ArielAriel Shipmate
    Rediscovered my collection of Billy Bunter books last week and worked my way through them. I used to enjoy them but they haven't stood the test of time and absolutely wouldn't work on today's children, with Bunter constantly being fat-shamed and all the casual violence where after he's been discovered helping himself to other boys' cakes, he gets literally kicked out of the study. And all the canings by masters.

    I'm a fan of Alan Garner. That includes his later works. Treacle Walker certainly made an impact on many readers recently.

    I picked up Rosemary Sutcliffe's "Eagle of the Ninth" in a charity shop and thought it one of the best books I've read recently. The same for some of the Leon Garfield books I also found. Books like Harry Potter couldn't hold a candle to them in terms of the way language is used and plot is developed.

    Mary Stewart seems to have pretty much faded, apart from the excellent Merlin trilogy. But her romantic adventure novels are a bit dated now. Anya Seton is another author who wrote absorbing books, and Jean Plaidy is a novelist who filled in many gaps in my youthful knowledge of history. You won't see them in libraries now.
  • CathscatsCathscats Shipmate
    MaryLouise wrote: »
    I'm enthralled by several women authors nobody seems to read now, though they have smallish cult followings: Sylvia Townsend Warner, Ivy Compton Burnett, Barbara Pym. And South African authors like Olive Schreiner ( Story of an African Farm) and Pauline Smith's stories of the early 1900s in the Klein Karoo are wonderful.

    And did you ever try Angela Thirkell. Especially in her first books the comedy and characters are amazing.
  • EnochEnoch Shipmate
    edited March 17
    Firenze wrote: »
    ... The authors I read as a child were Rosemary Sutcliffe, Richmal Crompton, Henry Treece, Geoffrey Trease, Arthur Ransome, John Masefield, Elizabeth Goudge - any of those still on the shelves?
    Interesting to see Richmal Crompton and Arthur Ransome in the same list. I've heard it said more than once that you either liked Just William books or Swallows and Amazon books but probably not both. Both must be very dated to modern children. As a child I definitely liked William and didn't reckon much to the Swallows and Amazons.

    Mind, even as a child, I thought the Famous Five, which I don't think anyone has mentioned, were silly and too unbelievable but had friends who loved them.


    With books for adults, if you look at the list of Nobel prize winners for literature over the last 1¼ century, even sticking to those who wrote in English some most people will have at least heard of, but by no means all. Unless you check in Wikipedia, who was Pearl Buck, winner in 1938?


  • AravisAravis Shipmate
    Years ago I started collecting the novels of Mrs Henry Wood (Ellen Wood) which are mostly out of print, but you can occasionally find them second hand. She was widely read in the UK and US in the 19th and early 20th century, and apparently outsold Dickens in Australia. For some unaccountable reason she was best known for “East Lynne” which has a completely improbable plot (my favourite is “Verner’s Pride” which is much better).

    I love all the children’s authors that Firenze mentioned. And quite a lot of the other authors mentioned so far.

    Moving onto the mid 20th century - any other fans of AJ Cronin? Rumer Godden? Eiluned Lewis?
  • cgichardcgichard Shipmate
    I'm dipping into a library copy of Christopher Fowler's The Book of Forgotten Authors at present. I find I look out for those I know about, and there are not many others whom I want to add to my "want to read" list.

    This thread has thrown up more that I wish to follow up or re-read.
  • LeafLeaf Shipmate
    I am guessing that Rosemary Sutcliffe will be the last to be forgotten. Memory of the BBC Children's Hour adaptation of The Eagle of The Ninth is still clear - it was brilliant.

    The novel was adapted to a full-length feature film, The Eagle, in 2011.

    I couldn't bear to see it, in case it sucked and ruined the memory of a beloved novel.

  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    Leaf wrote: »
    I am guessing that Rosemary Sutcliffe will be the last to be forgotten. Memory of the BBC Children's Hour adaptation of The Eagle of The Ninth is still clear - it was brilliant.

    The novel was adapted to a full-length feature film, The Eagle, in 2011.

    I couldn't bear to see it, in case it sucked and ruined the memory of a beloved novel.
    I liked the movie, and I liked the book. I think it’s fair to consider the movie “loosely adapted” from the book.

    I’m struck by how many authors that have been mentioned in this thread are authors I’ve never heard of. These unfamiliar-to-me authors pretty much all seem to have been mentioned by shipmates in the UK or perhaps Ireland, so it makes me wonder if there’s a Pond difference at work.

  • RockyRoger wrote: »
    Alan Garner, anybody?

    A couple of my kids have read several of his books.
    Enoch wrote: »
    Mind, even as a child, I thought the Famous Five, which I don't think anyone has mentioned, were silly and too unbelievable but had friends who loved them.

    The five find-outers were much better!
  • MaryLouiseMaryLouise Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    MaryLouise wrote: »
    I'm enthralled by several women authors nobody seems to read now, though they have smallish cult followings: Sylvia Townsend Warner, Ivy Compton Burnett, Barbara Pym. And South African authors like Olive Schreiner ( Story of an African Farm) and Pauline Smith's stories of the early 1900s in the Klein Karoo are wonderful.

    I still haven't read Olive Schreiner but I should - I am haunted by an all too brief stay in the Karoo. I loved Eve Palmer's The Plains of Camdeboo.

    You might try and find a copy of Eve Palmer's Return to Camdeboo with some of the best Karoo lamb recipes I know. Some years ago I stayed on the old Palmer homestead in the Camdeboo, a farm steeped in history. When were you in the Karoo, @Stercus Tauri?
  • MaryLouiseMaryLouise Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    Cathscats wrote: »
    MaryLouise wrote: »
    I'm enthralled by several women authors nobody seems to read now, though they have smallish cult followings: Sylvia Townsend Warner, Ivy Compton Burnett, Barbara Pym. And South African authors like Olive Schreiner ( Story of an African Farm) and Pauline Smith's stories of the early 1900s in the Klein Karoo are wonderful.

    And did you ever try Angela Thirkell. Especially in her first books the comedy and characters are amazing.

    Yes, I recall that wit and stylish writing in Thirkell: she took Anthony Trollope as a model, if I recall.

    Right now I wouldn't mind curling up with some Elizabeth Goudge for nostalgia's sake. Lyrical and gentle stories of homecomings.
  • finelinefineline Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    March Hare wrote: »
    Seeing Innocent Blood in the Book Club started me thinking about books and authors hugely popular in their own day which have largely sunk beneath the waves. Who now reads Arnold Bennett, Joseph Conrad or John Galsworthy? - but there are examples from much more recent times: Ellis Peters, James Herriot, even PDJ herself.

    I had been thinking the same about Innocent Blood - I couldn't find it in any charity shop, nor was there any copy in the city libraries, so I had to go to another library. To me, it seemed about that particular book rather than the author (presentation of subject matter incompatible with current sensibilities), as I see her other books around, though fewer of them than I used to see in charity shops - these days the J section of murder mysteries is dominated by Peter James.

    I do think about how some authors seem forgotten, especially British authors who didn't become popular in the US, because these days social media has such a strong influence on what people read, and Americans are the English-speaking majority.

    There are three British authors born in the early 1900s all called Penelope (Mortimer, Fitzgerald and Lively), and I was recently part of an online discussion where people were responding to a post about Penelope Lively, saying they had read and enjoyed The Blue Flower -totally oblivious to the fact that this was written by a different Penelope, or that there was more than one Penelope!

    Some children's authors I read as a kid: Nina Bawden, Ursula Moray William, Rumer Godden, Betsy Byars, Edith Nesbit, Penelope Farmer (another Penelope!), Judy Blume. All those were popularised at that time by TV adaptations or Jackanory. Of course, Judy Blume's continued popularity was boosted recently by the film adaptation of Are You There God, It's Me Margaret.

    I was surprised when one of my students said he was reading a Jackie Collins novel - it had been decades since I'd heard anything about her, and I wouldn't expect her to be popular with today's young adults - but I suspect that had something to do with the fact he lived with his nan.
  • CathscatsCathscats Shipmate
    Aravis wrote: »

    Moving onto the mid 20th century - any other fans of AJ Cronin? Rumer Godden? Eiluned Lewis?

    Ooh, yes, I went through a Cronin and Godden phase a while back.
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