A Horrid (and Hellish) Thought has just occurred to me. Is the egregious Cummings fleeing the scene of a Close Encounter with a part, or parts, of Boris' anatomy, having just been informed that Boris has The Plague?
(*If brain bleach is no longer available at your local supermarket, I have a few 1 litre bottles for sale. £100 per bottle, plus postage).
Was Johnson practicing the 2m / 6ft distancing? at all? consistently? If he wasn't, and this includes all news conferences and meetings, can he be sued?
Earlier this month he was insisting on shaking hands, even when visiting a hospital. link
Was Johnson practicing the 2m / 6ft distancing? at all? consistently? If he wasn't, and this includes all news conferences and meetings, can he be sued?
Earlier this month he was insisting on shaking hands, even when visiting a hospital. link
They also managed to test a man in his early 70s who ignored the clearly expressed wishes of rural communities and the advice of government that people shouldn't go to second homes in the country.
I suspect that the specific rural community to which that particular man has gone is happy to have him there, which is certainly of more relevance than the opinion of "rural communities" on whether "second home owners" should travel there.
Noooo, I don’t think so. It has been interesting to hear how Radio Scotland news programmes have covered this story, interviews with locals etc, compared to how the BBC online news puts it, even in the Scotland section. The radio carries the rage. But that family does not understand how much less loved they are up north (with possibly one exception, who is the sister of the man in question). There is a lot of anger at this story locally. @North East Quine would you agree?
I haven't been listening to the radio. Any comment I've heard has been negative, if he travelled knowing he had symptoms. There will also be a lot of negative comment if he ends up in Aberdeen Royal Infirmary, having queue jumped all the way. It will make the Queen Mother being admitted to hospital with a fish bone in her throat pale into insignificance.
But that family does not understand how much less loved they are up north
I thought that one of the attractions of Balmoral for the Royal family is that people generally can't be arsed with them, and so they can go shopping etc in Ballater unbothered.
The former orphanage opened in the C19th for the babies foisted on local servant lassies by the toffs is in your neck of the woods isn't it? I think that adds to the cynicism.
And in other news a medical fetish company has donated its entire stock of disposable scrubs to an NHS hospital, after being contacted by a branch of NHS procurement - yes, really.
I imagine procurement must have some really interesting internet search history at the moment.
Charles, for better or worse, is heir to the throne, for Heaven's sake. The family have been dispersed following an emergency plan which will have been drawn up in advance. I doubt if any of the chain of events has been a result of his personal choice.
The same, I suppose, should apply to any Prime Minister at a time of National Emergency™, whoever he, she, or it* might be.
*Just in case we are actually being led at the moment by a Humming Bean, and not by Dread Cthulhu, or an avatar of any other of the Great Old Ones. Well, you never know...
The Prince of Wales is not 'a private person' He is the next head of state, barring accidents. Would you rather he was not tested or treated?
I'm not against him being tested. But, if it's correct that he decided to come to Balmoral after he started having symptoms, that seems to be a foolish disregarding of the current rules.
Well, with any Luck™, the current Emergency will sort out the sheep from the goats...
God hell pus all, indeed.
No, because as I've just commented on another thread, evil doesn't do justice. Those 'sorted' as you put it, will be a random selection from both sheep and goats.
"The rain it raineth on the just
And also on the unjust fella;
But chiefly on the just, because
The unjust hath the just’s umbrella."
(attributed to Charles Synge Bowen L.J. 1835-94 and therefore out of copyright)
Because it would mean exposing both the queen and the technicians, outside broadcasters and a whole lot more involved in an outside broadcast to the virus.
The people who are putting their own shows on are tech savvy. (And some seem desperate for company / an audience - e.g. John Finnemore's Cabin Fever sessions. It's a continuation of Cabin Fever.)
Yes it does, but spondalacks turn out not to buy either immunity or more overall mental health. We are not all equal in the face of this, but the inequalities aren't necessarily the ones that leap out at us.
Thus showing that nastiness is not the monopoly of any political party or hue.
I don't actively wish anyone ill. I do fear the Darwinian conclusions Johnson - being a narcissist - may draw in the aftermath of his own survival. I think it would have been better had he never been infected.
Thus showing that nastiness is not the monopoly of any political party or hue.
I don't actively wish anyone ill. I do fear the Darwinian conclusions Johnson - being a narcissist - may draw in the aftermath of his own survival. I think it would have been better had he never been infected.
Thus showing that nastiness is not the monopoly of any political party or hue.
I don't actively wish anyone ill. I do fear the Darwinian conclusions Johnson - being a narcissist - may draw in the aftermath of his own survival. I think it would have been better had he never been infected.
Yes. From a purely utilitarian point of view, I'd prefer him to be at least seriously ill, because of the message that would send about taking the pandemic seriously, but charitableness towards a fellow human being restrains me. Just.
If the Ventilator mix-up were motivated by gain and responsible for the deaths of many of my fellow country people, forgiveness will be very hard. Similarly for the lack of PPEquipment (although at least, you could understand them not expecting to be tested on that) and the herd immunity plans (again, kind of explainable). If he is caught in his own net then at least I could have some sympathy (even though it probably means he adds deaths by those he passed in on to, and those whose ventilator he needs).
Thus showing that nastiness is not the monopoly of any political party or hue.
This is a false equivalence. I am not condoning wishing Johnson ill but I can understand it. The background is important.
The Conservative party systematically demonised the poor and disabled. The Tory benches cheered very loudly both when benefit cuts were passed and when they blocked a pay rise for nurses. Whether or not either was a good policy, the cheering was unseemly and it is not surprising that people took it personally. Johnson has been slow to make critical decisions, has not given clear leadership and has given misleading statements during this crisis. And as I have been saying for a while now, the wholesale vandalism of the NHS (especially public health) puts us in a much poorer position than we could be to face this horrific situation.
When the Conservatives are collectively - and Johnson personally - responsible for making things worse and almost certainly causing a higher body count, it is asking a lot of people to be upset that he himself may also suffer from his foolishness as many of us will.
I do not wish him ill but I understand the raw anger that underpins this nastiness. To suggest that is the same as treating people like shit for political gain is unhelpful and plain wrong.
Am I alone in wondering if ABdePJ's diagnosis isn't just a tad too convenient, coming as it did just when it became known that he'd refused lost the e-mail inviting the UK to be part of the EU procurement scheme? When he spoke from Downing Street, he didn't cough once, or look particularly feverish.
Thus showing that nastiness is not the monopoly of any political party or hue.
This is a false equivalence. I am not condoning wishing Johnson ill but I can understand it. The background is important.
The Conservative party systematically demonised the poor and disabled. The Tory benches cheered very loudly both when benefit cuts were passed and when they blocked a pay rise for nurses. Whether or not either was a good policy, the cheering was unseemly and it is not surprising that people took it personally. Johnson has been slow to make critical decisions, has not given clear leadership and has given misleading statements during this crisis. And as I have been saying for a while now, the wholesale vandalism of the NHS (especially public health) puts us in a much poorer position than we could be to face this horrific situation.
When the Conservatives are collectively - and Johnson personally - responsible for making things worse and almost certainly causing a higher body count, it is asking a lot of people to be upset that he himself may also suffer from his foolishness as many of us will.
I do not wish him ill but I understand the raw anger that underpins this nastiness. To suggest that is the same as treating people like shit for political gain is unhelpful and plain wrong.
I know this is Hell but even so we're talking about a man with an infection for which there is no magic cure whose other half is pregnant, and who is trying to do a job which is the ultimate poisoned chalice.
I know this is Hell but even so we're talking about a man with an infection for which there is no magic cure whose other half is pregnant, and who is trying to do a job which is the ultimate poisoned chalice.
Yes, we are. Are you going to concede the point made earlier about respirators, or does your cheerleeding for this incompetent spiv with blood on his hands know no bounds?
I know this is Hell but even so we're talking about a man with an infection for which there is no magic cure whose other half is pregnant, and who is trying to do a job which is the ultimate poisoned chalice.
A job he lied, plotted and schemed to get for at least a decade.
I know this is Hell but even so we're talking about a man with an infection for which there is no magic cure whose other half is pregnant, and who is trying to do a job which is the ultimate poisoned chalice.
I think most people here have demonstrated far more charity to him than he has to the least of these.
It is a shame he got the virus. He is only doing what any PM should do at a time like this. He is also having to make up for his party’s underinvestment in the NHS. He is still leading, he still takes the job with the highs and lows
I know this is Hell but even so we're talking about a man with an infection for which there is no magic cure whose other half is pregnant, and who is trying to do a job which is the ultimate poisoned chalice.
Yes, we are. Are you going to concede the point made earlier about respirators, or does your cheerleeding for this incompetent spiv with blood on his hands know no bounds?
Eh? I haven't said anything about respirators, nor am I likely to knowing nothing about them other than that the largest number in the UK is those in use by the fire service.
FWIW I consider it a source for national shame that we have so little basic equipment, in which I'd include respirators, for front line staff of whom we ask so much. As for the lack of equipment facing carers, words fail.
Ventilators, the same applies: scandalous shortage that should have been addressed long before the country faced a crisis. The only good news is that it looks as if UCLHospital and the Mercedes F1 team have come up with a positive pressure breathing aid that works and can be made quickly. Staggering that the medicines approval people have been able to give it the green light in days, as opposed to the usual years - another thing that needs to change in the post-virus world.
I wouldn't cheerlead for any politician on principle. I do feel sorry for anyone, of whatever stripe, who is infected with the virus.
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A Horrid (and Hellish) Thought has just occurred to me. Is the egregious Cummings fleeing the scene of a Close Encounter with a part, or parts, of Boris' anatomy, having just been informed that Boris has The Plague?
(*If brain bleach is no longer available at your local supermarket, I have a few 1 litre bottles for sale. £100 per bottle, plus postage).
What an asshole.
I haven't been listening to the radio. Any comment I've heard has been negative, if he travelled knowing he had symptoms. There will also be a lot of negative comment if he ends up in Aberdeen Royal Infirmary, having queue jumped all the way. It will make the Queen Mother being admitted to hospital with a fish bone in her throat pale into insignificance.
But that family does not understand how much less loved they are up north
I thought that one of the attractions of Balmoral for the Royal family is that people generally can't be arsed with them, and so they can go shopping etc in Ballater unbothered.
The former orphanage opened in the C19th for the babies foisted on local servant lassies by the toffs is in your neck of the woods isn't it? I think that adds to the cynicism.
I imagine procurement must have some really interesting internet search history at the moment.
I can understand testing the Prime Minister even when he wouldn't normally be - there would be too many rumours if it was left to an educated guess.
*Just in case we are actually being led at the moment by a Humming Bean, and not by Dread Cthulhu, or an avatar of any other of the Great Old Ones. Well, you never know...
I'm not against him being tested. But, if it's correct that he decided to come to Balmoral after he started having symptoms, that seems to be a foolish disregarding of the current rules.
Charles Windsor is multiply redundant by design, and engaged in virus-spreading behaviour because of unearned privilege.
God hell pus all, indeed.
"The rain it raineth on the just
And also on the unjust fella;
But chiefly on the just, because
The unjust hath the just’s umbrella."
(attributed to Charles Synge Bowen L.J. 1835-94 and therefore out of copyright)
I'm a piskie. It's compulsory.
The people who are putting their own shows on are tech savvy. (And some seem desperate for company / an audience - e.g. John Finnemore's Cabin Fever sessions. It's a continuation of Cabin Fever.)
and/or that hell is not the place to look for the best in anyone. Apparently, especially not the terminally sententious.
I don't actively wish anyone ill. I do fear the Darwinian conclusions Johnson - being a narcissist - may draw in the aftermath of his own survival. I think it would have been better had he never been infected.
This.
Yes. From a purely utilitarian point of view, I'd prefer him to be at least seriously ill, because of the message that would send about taking the pandemic seriously, but charitableness towards a fellow human being restrains me. Just.
This is a false equivalence. I am not condoning wishing Johnson ill but I can understand it. The background is important.
The Conservative party systematically demonised the poor and disabled. The Tory benches cheered very loudly both when benefit cuts were passed and when they blocked a pay rise for nurses. Whether or not either was a good policy, the cheering was unseemly and it is not surprising that people took it personally. Johnson has been slow to make critical decisions, has not given clear leadership and has given misleading statements during this crisis. And as I have been saying for a while now, the wholesale vandalism of the NHS (especially public health) puts us in a much poorer position than we could be to face this horrific situation.
When the Conservatives are collectively - and Johnson personally - responsible for making things worse and almost certainly causing a higher body count, it is asking a lot of people to be upset that he himself may also suffer from his foolishness as many of us will.
I do not wish him ill but I understand the raw anger that underpins this nastiness. To suggest that is the same as treating people like shit for political gain is unhelpful and plain wrong.
AFZ
Or am I just spending too long on the interweb?
This.
Yes, we are. Are you going to concede the point made earlier about respirators, or does your cheerleeding for this incompetent spiv with blood on his hands know no bounds?
A job he lied, plotted and schemed to get for at least a decade.
As for his other half - they have a big house, I'm sure they'll find a way of avoiding each other.
I think most people here have demonstrated far more charity to him than he has to the least of these.
But how do those boots taste?
Wasting time, being indecisive, that's what a PM should do?
Eh? I haven't said anything about respirators, nor am I likely to knowing nothing about them other than that the largest number in the UK is those in use by the fire service.
FWIW I consider it a source for national shame that we have so little basic equipment, in which I'd include respirators, for front line staff of whom we ask so much. As for the lack of equipment facing carers, words fail.
Ventilators, the same applies: scandalous shortage that should have been addressed long before the country faced a crisis. The only good news is that it looks as if UCLHospital and the Mercedes F1 team have come up with a positive pressure breathing aid that works and can be made quickly. Staggering that the medicines approval people have been able to give it the green light in days, as opposed to the usual years - another thing that needs to change in the post-virus world.
I wouldn't cheerlead for any politician on principle. I do feel sorry for anyone, of whatever stripe, who is infected with the virus.