Recruitment for a church choir- ideal size, standards?

Can a choir be too big or too small?
I am talking about a traditional church choir, not a worship band.
My church choir has been stable at 8 ( 3 sops, 3 altos, one tenor, one bass) for a while now. Most of us kept together through lockdown on Zoom. Sometime we struggle when numbers are depleted by illness or holidays. We are a close community, musically, vocally, socially and spiritually, for want of better words. We are currently supported by an inspirational conductor, on a temporary basis so far.

On the Sunday after Easter there is to be a special service, a bit like a nine lessons and carols, well publicised, which has recruited about 25 additional singers for this one-off event, with three rehearsals.
We are not expecting many to continue but are open to recruit new members. I don’t think there will be auditions, but an ability to read music is specified. Some of our extras, I’ll be honest, do not match our expectations, in more ways than one. I guess numbers will probably not be an issue, but quality will.
Even one person can make a huge difference.
One lady who has joined us for our last two monthly evensongs has unwittingly caused quite a few problems and provoked much concern about the recruitment process.

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  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    I think a lot depends on the role of the choir and the type of music it sings. Most choirs I've been in are open to anyone willing, including the deaf warblers and those who can't read music, but their focus has been leading congregational singing and singing during the distribution. Mostly unison, with parts for special occasions. If your choir is more "performance" based (not meaning anything pejorative by that) then you need to be clear about the standard you require or have a sort of "apprenticeship" where you bring those who've got the basics up to speed. To my mind you need at least two, preferably three in each "voice" unless people are very good at holding their line. If you find that numbers are a problem then it might be time to consider a hybrid solution - a broader choir for the basics and an "anthem choir" into which you invite individuals slowly to build up their skills. If you have a very small, very high skill group with no capacity for training or development then you are going to find it hard to recruit.
  • That strikes me as a sensible solution.

    However, there is another issue, at least in some places: do you expect all singers to be "committed Christians" who see their singing as part of their spiritual service, or merely to be folk, probably sympathetic to the church, who enjoy singing? (There's probably an Anglican/Nonconformist, or perhaps Evangelical/Other divide here).
  • As regards” committed Xtians”: don’t even go there. If you want a competent choir to lead worship go for the competent and you might get some committed believers if you are lucky.

    As for the willing but unable…. Arrgghh at your peril
  • rhubarbrhubarb Shipmate
    It depends how many turn up on the day. Sometimes we have a dozen, but other times due to illness or holidays etc only three singers will appear. We have noticed a significant drop in commitment due to Covid which is difficult to repair and I fear that the days of a long term reliable choir are gone.
  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    This is why I dont have a choir at ours.
  • PuzzlerPuzzler Shipmate
    Christian commitment v competence? Both please!
    To turn up for weekly choir practices and three or four services a month surely entails some kind of Christian commitment at some level?
    At least one of our number ( a lapsed churchgoer but already confirmed) came for the music and grew in faith to the point where she one day realised she felt ready to take Communion.
    Competence? To hold a tune, and a part, with willingness to practise together and at home. And to be capable of following what is going on and to be ready to sing without faffing about.

    We very much see our role as leading the musical side of worship rather than a performance, but this needs to be executed to performance standard.

    The apprenticeship idea might work, though seems better suited for children and young people than mature adults.


  • Sojourner wrote: »
    As regards” committed Xtians”: don’t even go there. If you want a competent choir to lead worship go for the competent and you might get some committed believers if you are lucky.

    As for the willing but unable…. Arrgghh at your peril

    The committed Xtians bit certainly doesn't work with bellringers. Ready to be committed? Oh yes! Xtian? Don't make me larf!
  • Avoid the willing but unable at all costs. Literally ALL costs.
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    How about, either, an induction to skill people up and/or a simplified part or chorus for less skilled singers to join in with ? (I also think there is value to a separate anthem choir for the more technical stuff).

  • PuzzlerPuzzler Shipmate
    That presupposes higher numbers than we have or are likely to get. But thanks anyway.
  • AravisAravis Shipmate
    The problem with church choirs is that they are very likely to attract people who would like to be able to sing but really aren’t very good at it - and although that’s the case with many choirs, with other choirs you can say “no” and never see the person again, while with a church they may still be turning up to the service every week, which is embarrassing. Or not, in which case you realise that not letting them sing badly in the choir has put them off coming to your church at all.

    To summarise, it’s a delicate balance between performance and pastoral care, which can only be perfectly maintained by the grace of God, thoughtful leadership and good luck.

    Our small church has excellent singing and (deliberately) no choir, though a number of the congregation sing in other choirs.
  • PuzzlerPuzzler Shipmate
    Yes.
    I think my place has two separate issues
    - potential recruits for the choir itself
    - Those who turn up ( with or without attending choir practice) just to sing at the monthly Evensong.
    The latter will have experience elsewhere. They are useful additional voices, but need to familiarise themselves with our ways or mess up. One additional tenor sings too loudly, has not rehearsed so is not aware of agreed breaths, dynamics, unison/ harmony. An additional soprano hasn’t a clue where we are in the service, and swoops up to notes.
    Their attendance is not reliable.
    For morning services we need reliability. If not prepared to commit, they won’t last.
    But there are unspoken rules. With a temporary choir master, it is unclear who makes the rules, who decides who or what is acceptable.
    Extra singers wear robes if they have them from their own church. If not, we do not supply them, so they wear black.
    I dare say it will work itself out somehow.
  • OblatusOblatus Shipmate
    One new choirmaster arrived and made the recruitment effort's goal to fill available positions in the choir, and set the positions as four singers in each of four voices. And he taught the choir how to read and sing with tonic solfa, which brought a little pushback and the loss of a singer or two, but those who remained were inspired by the children's choir who took readily to solfa. The choir quickly improved in singing in tune and ability to work out their own parts without tedious tune-banging repetition. So then the concept of a choir with finite positions took hold, as it was obvious "they're really good now" and it took some work and ability to gain an available seat in the choir. Courageous approach, and he did have a thick skin to deal with a bit of "who does he think he is?" reaction at first.
  • PuzzlerPuzzler Shipmate
    Interesting. Our guy has had a go at getting us to pitch by numbers.
  • The_RivThe_Riv Shipmate
    I've been directing church choirs and church music programs since the early 1990s. I'm currently the parish musician at a larger RC parish where we have a volunteer lay choir of 14 and a flute player. It is not an every week ensemble, meaning while we do rehearse most weeks, we only sing for Masses occasionally, with significant stretches of activity during Advent/Christmas, Lent/Easter, and Pentecost/Trinity/Corpus Christi. It's a very dedicated bunch that's even managed to sustain itself for a few months without a director. A number of members have come and gone over my tenure, but the size of the group has managed to remain fairly constant at 14-16. My f/t job is one of being a public school music teacher, and I've also spent some years as a choral society and opera chorus director. I think if there's one thing I've tried to make sure was always stated plainly and in advance is this: volunteer choirs (as they all have been) can and do succeed by accepting people "where they are," but no one should ever come into a group with the expectation of remaining in the same place. Members should be prepared to grow in a number of different ways, including vocally. No voice is perfect, and even trained voices can gain additional refinement under thoughtful instruction. That said, my philosophy also includes the idea that no voice is unable to contribute, and that singing is a refined fine motor skill that almost anyone can learn and improve.

    Over the years I've had some success making invitations for people to join on a short-term, specific basis -- for a particular event or activity. Occasionally one sticks around. I've had some success with "Bring a _____" to rehearsal: spouse/significant other, neighbor, friend, cousin, co-worker, etc. This works very well with children, but adults have enjoyed it too. Occasionally one sticks around. I've also had a some success Unison Anthem Month, to eliminate apprehensions about having to read/sing harmony parts. Every now and then there will be some pushback from a more accomplished choir member, which is usually about stringing unison anthems together for that long, but I use occasional unison anthems throughout the year, so it's never been a dealbreaker. I don't know if it's cliche these days, but a Taize liturgy can be a wonderful doorway into music/choir participation. It also tends to be good spiritual-music therapy for the existing choir.

    All of this to say that I wish my church choir could find another 10-12 members!
  • The_Riv wrote: »
    I think if there's one thing I've tried to make sure was always stated plainly and in advance is this: volunteer choirs (as they all have been) can and do succeed by accepting people "where they are," but no one should ever come into a group with the expectation of remaining in the same place. Members should be prepared to grow in a number of different ways, including vocally. No voice is perfect, and even trained voices can gain additional refinement under thoughtful instruction. That said, my philosophy also includes the idea that no voice is unable to contribute, and that singing is a refined fine motor skill that almost anyone can learn and improve.
    This reflects quite well the philosophy I’ve consistently encountered in my tribe generally, and in church choir directors whose choirs I’ve sung in specifically. And it’s the philosophy I advocate, and think is appropriate in a church setting.

    Our place is a congregation of around 300, with just under 30 total in the choir. (I’m not sure exactly, as some new folks have come along lately.) A handful of us are trained (two of us have music degree), some are very good untrained singers, some are acceptable singers, and a few do their best, bless their hearts. But everyone really wants to be there and finds meaning in participating. We are as much a community that cares for one another as we are a group that sings together.

    We rehearse every Thursday (with occasional exceptions) and sing every Sunday, as well as other days like Christmas Eve, Ash Wednesday or Holy Week Services, from September through May or into June (depending on when Pentecost and Trinity Sunday fall). All but a few members of the choir are present on a typical Sunday, and Sunday singing consists of leading the congregation in hymns and service music as well as at least one anthem, choral prelude, etc. We sing a very varied repertoire.

    We’ve been very fortunate to have choir directors who know how to work with our voices, who challenge us, and who manage to coax out of us a sum that is far greater than our many parts. And we have a congregation that regularly lets us know, in various big and little ways, that we are appreciated.


  • That strikes me as a sensible solution.

    However, there is another issue, at least in some places: do you expect all singers to be "committed Christians" who see their singing as part of their spiritual service, or merely to be folk, probably sympathetic to the church, who enjoy singing? (There's probably an Anglican/Nonconformist, or perhaps Evangelical/Other divide here).

    We don't ask, although in practice, everyone is at least willing to look like a "committed Christian". If people just want to sing, there are local secular choirs (that a couple of our church choir members also sing in), so I think everyone who joins the church choir does so because they at least feel like part of the church community in some way.
  • I'd say that in a parish church choir you'd find 100% of your adults are "committed churchgoers". Don't forget, these people roll up to church not once but twice a week, more often around Christmas and Easter, and on at least one occasion during the winter months that is likely to mean to a building which is unheated.

    Don't assume that members of a choir aren't committed just because they don't take part in discussions about faith, or in Bible study groups.
  • I'd say that in a parish church choir you'd find 100% of your adults are "committed churchgoers".
    Agreed, unless the church has so much of a "musical tradition" that folk see the choir more in vocal than spiritual terms. This won't be the case in the vast majority of churches, of course.

  • PuzzlerPuzzler Shipmate
    Yes, I think we put in more time at church than many.
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