.I'm surprised they didn't have Lord, thy word abideth to Ravenshaw...
Oo, that one takes me straight back to school assemblies!
We had:
Holy Forever (A thousand generations) I Want To Know You (I've tried in vain a thousand ways) O Praise the Name of the Lord our God (I cast my mind to Calvary) There is an Endless Song (How can I keep from singing your praise?)
“Praise ye the Lord; 'tis good to raise” - Galilee.
“Our God is a great big God”.
“Spirit divine, inspire our prayers” - Beatitudo.
“God moves in a mysterious way” - London New.
“We rest on thee” - Finlandia.
Nehemiah starts rebuilding the walls of Jerusalem - a very literal hymn selection.
My Hope Is Built On Nothing Less (Solid Rock)
The King Of Love My Shepherd Is (St. Columba)
Glorious Things Of Thee Are Spoken (Austria)
The Church’s One Foundation (Aurelia)
Attended a presbytery meeting yesterday. During worship, we sang:
“Let Us Build a House” (“All Are Welcome”)/TWO OAKS
“In Christ There Is No East or West”/McKEE
“Guide My Feet, Lord”
“We All Are One in Mission”/ES FLOG EIN KLEINS WALDVÖGELEIN
For Reasons (which are reasonable if less than ideal), All Saints was observed at our place today rather than next Sunday. We sang:
“For All the Saints”/SINE NOMINE
“God, Our Help and Constant Refuge” (Ps. 46)/MICHAEL
“Rise, O Church, like Christ Arisen”/SURGE ECCLESIA
Alas, observing All Saints today means the Reformation Sunday was not observed, so we missed the chance to sing “A Mighty Fortress” and “I Greet Thee, Who May Sure Redeemer Art.”
Nice, @Lamb Chopped! Though I’d still miss “I Greet Thee, Who My Sure Redeemer Art.” One needs to be in a Reformed/Presbyterian church to encounter it, I’m afraid; at least, I’ve never encountered it anywhere else.
It is often attributed to Calvin, which is why it gets sung on Reformation Sunday in many Presbyterian churches. Some speculate that it is a Protestant reworking of the Salve, Regina. The original French text did appear in the 1545 Strasbourg psalter. The English translation can be found here. (The text is slightly different in our hymnal, but only slightly.)
Hail thee festival day (Dedication version) with different choir members
singing the verses and very effective it was too
Harris in F and Meebecke
Psalm 84 to the Parry chant
O word of God above (St Edmund)
Thy hand O God has guided (Thornbury)
Choir motet was the Elgar 'Ave verum'
In our day of thanksgiving (St Catherines Court)
A lovely worship experience in an unfussy high church setting.
1st Evensong of St Simon and St Jude. (in a rural parish)
Psalms 121 and 122 both sung to a chant by Beethoven
Thou who sentest thine Apostles (Regent Square)
Bunnet in F for the canticles
Captains of the saintly band (University College)
Jerusalem on high (Christchurch)
Disposer supreme (Hanover)
A different type of worship but very nice feel to it. Both services today saw good congregational singing and although (being countryside) the material was a little dated it all hung together well.
O For A Thousand Tongues to Sing (AZMON)
Amazing Grace (NEW BRITAIN)
I'll Praise My Maker While I've Breath (OLD 113TH)
Alleluia, Sing to Jesus (HYFRYDOL)
Hymns
O for a thousand tongues to sing, / Lyngham
Lift up your hearts unto the Lord, / Sing Alleluia
Comfort, comfort all my people, / Dorothy
I’ll praise my maker, / Monmouth
Our offerings for All Saints/All Souls were a bit of a mixed bag:
For all the saints - Sine Nomine* Praise to God for saints and martyrs - which was supposed to be to Ebenezer (Ton-y-Botel), but for some reason wasn't, and was to some ditty that I'd never heard before Ye watchers and ye holy ones - Lasst uns Erfreuen Glory to thee, O God - Love Unknown We shall go out with hope of resurrection - Londonderry Air
* in which today's organist either omitted the "bonks" at the start of the verses, or played them so quietly they couldn't be heard - what a wuss!
Our Main service this morning was a Baptism. The early morning service, which I go to, was a warm-up act for it.
Now Thank We All Our God (Nun Danket)
Alleluia, Alleluia, Give Thanks To The Risen Lord (Donald Fishel)
O Jesus, I Have Promised (Woodlands)
Blessèd Assurance, Jesus Is Mine! (Assurance)
Eucharist at Newport Cathedral - non-choral due to half-term.
"For all the saints" (Sine Nomine - 8 verses!)
"Give me the wings of faith to rise" (Song 67 - clearly not known by the congregation)
"Let saints on earth in concert sing" (Dundee).
"Jerusalem the golden" (Ewing).
Our Main service this morning was a Baptism. The early morning service, which I go to, was a warm-up act for it.
Good to have nice warm water for baptisms!
In the Baptist Church of my teens and 20s, that was effected by the church secretary putting a plug-in immersion heater into the baptistry the night before – not by getting the early service congregation to warm up the water themselves!
King of Love and Grace, my Guardian Jesus said that if I thirst If Faith can move the Mountains (Waiting here for you) I see the King of Glory coming on the Clouds with Fire
In the Baptist Church of my teens and 20s, that was effected by the church secretary putting a plug-in immersion heater into the baptistry the night before .
For All The Saints (SINE NOMINE), all 8 verses!
Alleluia, Alleluia, Give Thanks (ALLELUIA NO. 1)
I Sing a Song of the Saints of God (GRAND ISLE)
Ye Watchers and Ye Holy Ones (LASST UNS ERFREUEN)
and @Piglet, you'll be pleased to know I made sure all the "bonks" were heard!
In the Baptist Church of my teens and 20s, that was effected by the church secretary putting a plug-in immersion heater into the baptistry the night before .
That's still what's done.
Yes, but they took it out before the service started so that the tepid water had cooled down by the time of the baptism. I caught a cold after my immersion on a very chilly day in February!
In the Baptist Church of my teens and 20s, that was effected by the church secretary putting a plug-in immersion heater into the baptistry the night before .
That's still what's done.
Yes, but they took it out before the service started so that the tepid water had cooled down by the time of the baptism. I caught a cold after my immersion on a very chilly day in February!
I wouldn't leave it n once the service has started. Not only does it Not Look Very Nice, but it avoids any tiny risk of electrocution.
That is about the only hymn I can think of that talks about "day-to-day" saints ... but it sounds so 1930s-English-middle-class-suburban!
@Piglet, you'll be pleased to know I made sure all the "bonks" were heard!
I'm very pleased to hear that! We had a slight problem this morning as the organist started the hymn with a short prelude so we weren't quite sure that he was starting!
I haven't yet heard what hymns were sung for All Saints at Our Place, but I expect that For all the saints (with POMS! as prescribed by RVW) was one of them.
@Piglet - at Our Place, we sing Praise to God for saints and martyrs to an old Dutch melody called In Babilone. Is this what you had today?
The melody like of SINE NOMINE starts on the second beat of the measure. Most arrangements provide for the organ to play the tonic (“do” of “do-re-mi”), usually in a lower octave, on the first note/downbeat, so the congregation has a sense of the rhythm and knows when to come in. Musicologists call this a “bonk.”
The tube SINE NOMINE, used for the hymn For all the saints, prefaces each verse with a single beat note, with the melody starting on the second beat. If you're familiar with singing it you expect the single beat "bonk" and use that to guide when to come in.
That is about the only hymn I can think of that talks about "day-to-day" saints ... but it sounds so 1930s-English-middle-class-suburban!
Well, my 2020s American congregation loves it...I'm sure there would be Outrage if it were to be taken out of All Saints' Day service! I think the quaintness of it is fun and a nice change of pace.
I did hear some giggling from the front pew though at the Fierce Wild Beast though
Lots of music in our little parish over this weekend
All Saints [reinstating the High Mass for the feast]
For All the Saints [4 verses]
You Watchers and You Holy Ones
Blest Are the Pure in Heart
You Servants of God your Master Proclaim
All Souls
Come as you are that's how I want you
The Lord is my shepherd [Boniwell]
Amazing Grace
I heard the voice of Jesus say - to the beautiful Kingsfold
24th after Pentecost - Sunday after All Saints
You holy angels bright
Brother sister let me serve you
Rejoice in God's saints
Christ be my leader by night as by day
Hail Redeemer, King divine
@Climacus the acknowledgement of country has been incorporated into worship within the diocese as part of the reconciliation strategy adopted by synod. It takes different forms in different parishes according to their progress along the pathway.
I haven't yet heard what hymns were sung for All Saints at Our Place, but I expect that For all the saints (with POMS! as prescribed by RVW) was one of them.
@Piglet - at Our Place, we sing Praise to God for saints and martyrs to an old Dutch melody called In Babilone. Is this what you had today?
FWIW, I like Ebenezer as well, but prefer the Dutch tune.
Thanks, BF - it was indeed In Babilone*. I'd seen the name in a hymnbook, but I don't think I'd ever sung it before. As I didn't have a book with music I was a bit befuddled.
* the autocorrect on my mobile wanted to change that to "In Basildon".
Re: poms/bonks, David always referred to it as "bonk! for all the saints", and he knew a thing or two about that sort of thing.
I haven't yet heard what hymns were sung for All Saints at Our Place, but I expect that For all the saints (with POMS! as prescribed by RVW) was one of them.
@Piglet - at Our Place, we sing Praise to God for saints and martyrs to an old Dutch melody called In Babilone. Is this what you had today?
FWIW, I like Ebenezer as well, but prefer the Dutch tune.
Thanks, BF - it was indeed In Babilone*. I'd seen the name in a hymnbook, but I don't think I'd ever sung it before. As I didn't have a book with music I was a bit befuddled.
In my tribe, IN BABILONE is the standard tune for “There’s a Wideness In God’s Mercy.”
Yes - O the deep, deep love of Jesus was a favourite in the snake-belly-low Church Of My Youth. and the tune fits the words very well (or the other way around).
Of course, and as we all know, it goes well to "Yn y dyfroedd mawr a’r tonnau".
No, I don't speak Welsh either; but my wife is learning. Not only do we avidly watch "Dechrau Canu Dechrau Canmol" (the Welsh "Songs of Praise") each week on S4C, we went to the big "Cymanfa Ganu" hymn-sing at the National Eisteddfod in the summer. It was great but we both caught (mild) Covid at it!!!
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We had:
Holy Forever (A thousand generations)
I Want To Know You (I've tried in vain a thousand ways)
O Praise the Name of the Lord our God (I cast my mind to Calvary)
There is an Endless Song (How can I keep from singing your praise?)
“Praise ye the Lord; 'tis good to raise” - Galilee.
“Our God is a great big God”.
“Spirit divine, inspire our prayers” - Beatitudo.
“God moves in a mysterious way” - London New.
“We rest on thee” - Finlandia.
My Hope Is Built On Nothing Less (Solid Rock)
The King Of Love My Shepherd Is (St. Columba)
Glorious Things Of Thee Are Spoken (Austria)
The Church’s One Foundation (Aurelia)
“Let Us Build a House” (“All Are Welcome”)/TWO OAKS
“In Christ There Is No East or West”/McKEE
“Guide My Feet, Lord”
“We All Are One in Mission”/ES FLOG EIN KLEINS WALDVÖGELEIN
For Reasons (which are reasonable if less than ideal), All Saints was observed at our place today rather than next Sunday. We sang:
“For All the Saints”/SINE NOMINE
“God, Our Help and Constant Refuge” (Ps. 46)/MICHAEL
“Rise, O Church, like Christ Arisen”/SURGE ECCLESIA
Alas, observing All Saints today means the Reformation Sunday was not observed, so we missed the chance to sing “A Mighty Fortress” and “I Greet Thee, Who May Sure Redeemer Art.”
“A Mighty Fortress”
“Thy Strong Word”
“Let All Mortal Flesh Keep Silence”
“The Church’s One Foundation”
Solemn Eucharist (Order 1 trad)
Hail thee festival day (Dedication version) with different choir members
singing the verses and very effective it was too
Harris in F and Meebecke
Psalm 84 to the Parry chant
O word of God above (St Edmund)
Thy hand O God has guided (Thornbury)
Choir motet was the Elgar 'Ave verum'
In our day of thanksgiving (St Catherines Court)
A lovely worship experience in an unfussy high church setting.
1st Evensong of St Simon and St Jude. (in a rural parish)
Psalms 121 and 122 both sung to a chant by Beethoven
Thou who sentest thine Apostles (Regent Square)
Bunnet in F for the canticles
Captains of the saintly band (University College)
Jerusalem on high (Christchurch)
Disposer supreme (Hanover)
A different type of worship but very nice feel to it. Both services today saw good congregational singing and although (being countryside) the material was a little dated it all hung together well.
O For A Thousand Tongues to Sing (AZMON)
Amazing Grace (NEW BRITAIN)
I'll Praise My Maker While I've Breath (OLD 113TH)
Alleluia, Sing to Jesus (HYFRYDOL)
Service music was Mathias.
Hymns
O for a thousand tongues to sing, / Lyngham
Lift up your hearts unto the Lord, / Sing Alleluia
Comfort, comfort all my people, / Dorothy
I’ll praise my maker, / Monmouth
Choir
Look toward the Lord, / Petrich
Amazing grace, / arr. Iva Juras
24th Sunday after Pentecost, All Saints' Day, All Souls' Day
All People That On Earth Do Dwell
Breath Of Life, Come Sweeping Through Us
Love Divine, All Loves Excelling
For All The Saints
Our offerings for All Saints/All Souls were a bit of a mixed bag:
For all the saints - Sine Nomine*
Praise to God for saints and martyrs - which was supposed to be to Ebenezer (Ton-y-Botel), but for some reason wasn't, and was to some ditty that I'd never heard before
Ye watchers and ye holy ones - Lasst uns Erfreuen
Glory to thee, O God - Love Unknown
We shall go out with hope of resurrection - Londonderry Air
* in which today's organist either omitted the "bonks" at the start of the verses, or played them so quietly they couldn't be heard - what a wuss!
Now Thank We All Our God (Nun Danket)
Alleluia, Alleluia, Give Thanks To The Risen Lord (Donald Fishel)
O Jesus, I Have Promised (Woodlands)
Blessèd Assurance, Jesus Is Mine! (Assurance)
"For all the saints" (Sine Nomine - 8 verses!)
"Give me the wings of faith to rise" (Song 67 - clearly not known by the congregation)
"Let saints on earth in concert sing" (Dundee).
"Jerusalem the golden" (Ewing).
Responses: "Mass of St Thomas" (Thorne).
In the Baptist Church of my teens and 20s, that was effected by the church secretary putting a plug-in immersion heater into the baptistry the night before – not by getting the early service congregation to warm up the water themselves!
Stand up and bless the Lord
As the deer pants for the water
Brother sister let me serve you
Just as I am
God is working his purpose out
Jesus said that if I thirst
If Faith can move the Mountains (Waiting here for you)
I see the King of Glory coming on the Clouds with Fire
For All The Saints (SINE NOMINE), all 8 verses!
Alleluia, Alleluia, Give Thanks (ALLELUIA NO. 1)
I Sing a Song of the Saints of God (GRAND ISLE)
Ye Watchers and Ye Holy Ones (LASST UNS ERFREUEN)
and @Piglet, you'll be pleased to know I made sure all the "bonks" were heard!
Yes, but they took it out before the service started so that the tepid water had cooled down by the time of the baptism. I caught a cold after my immersion on a very chilly day in February!
I wouldn't leave it n once the service has started. Not only does it Not Look Very Nice, but it avoids any tiny risk of electrocution.
I'm very pleased to hear that! We had a slight problem this morning as the organist started the hymn with a short prelude so we weren't quite sure that he was starting!
Sorry, musical ignoramus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21GTTM2TIYA
I haven't yet heard what hymns were sung for All Saints at Our Place, but I expect that For all the saints (with POMS! as prescribed by RVW) was one of them.
@Piglet - at Our Place, we sing Praise to God for saints and martyrs to an old Dutch melody called In Babilone. Is this what you had today?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zihZdIGQX8k
FWIW, I like Ebenezer as well, but prefer the Dutch tune.
The tube SINE NOMINE, used for the hymn For all the saints, prefaces each verse with a single beat note, with the melody starting on the second beat. If you're familiar with singing it you expect the single beat "bonk" and use that to guide when to come in.
I didn't know that it was indeed technically a bonk. Our Place prefers to call it a POM!...to leave them out, whatever you call them, Is Outrage!
Indeed... "bonk" here in the UK having something of a double entendre...
Thank you all for the explanations. Being familiar with "Sine Nomine" I now know the word, or two ("POM"*), for what is happening there!
* what we call people from England!
Well, my 2020s American congregation loves it...I'm sure there would be Outrage if it were to be taken out of All Saints' Day service! I think the quaintness of it is fun and a nice change of pace.
I did hear some giggling from the front pew though at the Fierce Wild Beast though
All Saints [reinstating the High Mass for the feast]
For All the Saints [4 verses]
You Watchers and You Holy Ones
Blest Are the Pure in Heart
You Servants of God your Master Proclaim
All Souls
Come as you are that's how I want you
The Lord is my shepherd [Boniwell]
Amazing Grace
I heard the voice of Jesus say - to the beautiful Kingsfold
24th after Pentecost - Sunday after All Saints
You holy angels bright
Brother sister let me serve you
Rejoice in God's saints
Christ be my leader by night as by day
Hail Redeemer, King divine
@Climacus the acknowledgement of country has been incorporated into worship within the diocese as part of the reconciliation strategy adopted by synod. It takes different forms in different parishes according to their progress along the pathway.
Thank you for the information on the Acknowledgement of Country in the diocese.
Thanks, BF - it was indeed In Babilone*. I'd seen the name in a hymnbook, but I don't think I'd ever sung it before. As I didn't have a book with music I was a bit befuddled.
* the autocorrect on my mobile wanted to change that to "In Basildon".
Re: poms/bonks, David always referred to it as "bonk! for all the saints", and he knew a thing or two about that sort of thing.
Tangentially, Ebenezer/Ton-y-Botel tends to be associated in my mind with the splendidly obscure hymn Who is this with garments gory? by A C Coxe.
This gives you some idea of it, though the video seems to be rather erratic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2DyLzbkC2Y
No, I don't speak Welsh either; but my wife is learning. Not only do we avidly watch "Dechrau Canu Dechrau Canmol" (the Welsh "Songs of Praise") each week on S4C, we went to the big "Cymanfa Ganu" hymn-sing at the National Eisteddfod in the summer. It was great but we both caught (mild) Covid at it!!!
I remember reading somewhere was that the legend was the composer found it washed up on a beach.
It's mentioned in the Wikipedia article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebenezer_(hymn_tune)*
A good story, but presumably unsubstantiated...
*I think you may need to scroll down to Ebenezer - hymn tune.