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  • @mousethief, do you still have that popcorn machine? ❤️ I think we need popcorn for this situation…

    (My God, that’s an old reference…)
  • Alan Cresswell Alan Cresswell Admin, 8th Day Host
    Maybe a few coolers as well.
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    Maybe a few coolers as well.

    Recipe here. Yes, I still occasionally make them in the summer. Yes, I still bless @mousethief's name when I do.
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    Ruth wrote: »
    Maybe a few coolers as well.

    Recipe here. Yes, I still occasionally make them in the summer. Yes, I still bless @mousethief's name when I do.

    Now you've got me wondering what the thread that so antagonised Evensong had been...
  • Alan Cresswell Alan Cresswell Admin, 8th Day Host
    I can guarantee it had nothing to do with Elon Musk
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Hugal wrote: »
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Hugal wrote: »
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Gas.

    Did I not say some things. I think I did. I would appreciate it if you read my post properly before answering. Thanks

    I did. Thanks. Gas is not a little. Thanks.

    I am guessing you understood what I meant.

    No.

    Little as in a small number of things, not that the things themselves are small
  • BoogieBoogie Heaven Host
    Ruth wrote: »
    Maybe a few coolers as well.

    Recipe here. Yes, I still occasionally make them in the summer. Yes, I still bless @mousethief's name when I do.

    Yum!

    Sounds a lot like a mojito?
  • I came across this on YouTube today - Ian Hislop (editor of the UK satirical paper Private Eye ), and his take on Musk:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diHcpZvBjT0
  • I came across this on YouTube today - Ian Hislop (editor of the UK satirical paper Private Eye ), and his take on Musk:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diHcpZvBjT0

    Right, but Hislop has his own niche within a differently dysfunctional media system, take this from Marr, and replace 'Musk' with 'Murdoch':

    "This is a problem for everyone involved in journalism or involved in politics, you either suck up to Musk or are abused by Musk"

    I'm sure no one tells Hislop what to write, but Private Eye is largely tolerated precisely because it mostly remains 'only' satire', it's the epitome of 'Britain sinking giggling into the sea' https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v35/n14/jonathan-coe/sinking-giggling-into-the-sea
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    I came across this on YouTube today - Ian Hislop (editor of the UK satirical paper Private Eye ), and his take on Musk:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diHcpZvBjT0

    Right, but Hislop has his own niche within a differently dysfunctional media system, take this from Marr, and replace 'Musk' with 'Murdoch':

    "This is a problem for everyone involved in journalism or involved in politics, you either suck up to Musk or are abused by Musk"

    I'm sure no one tells Hislop what to write, but Private Eye is largely tolerated precisely because it mostly remains 'only' satire', it's the epitome of 'Britain sinking giggling into the sea' https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v35/n14/jonathan-coe/sinking-giggling-into-the-sea

    Don’t totally agree. Hislop and his publication are not tolerated. They are liked. He is very observant and will say when both sides are stupid. He has his leanings like everyone else but given that he is not as you paint him.
  • chrisstileschrisstiles Hell Host
    edited January 13
    Hugal wrote: »
    I came across this on YouTube today - Ian Hislop (editor of the UK satirical paper Private Eye ), and his take on Musk:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diHcpZvBjT0

    Right, but Hislop has his own niche within a differently dysfunctional media system, take this from Marr, and replace 'Musk' with 'Murdoch':

    "This is a problem for everyone involved in journalism or involved in politics, you either suck up to Musk or are abused by Musk"

    I'm sure no one tells Hislop what to write, but Private Eye is largely tolerated precisely because it mostly remains 'only' satire', it's the epitome of 'Britain sinking giggling into the sea' https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v35/n14/jonathan-coe/sinking-giggling-into-the-sea

    Don’t totally agree. Hislop and his publication are not tolerated. They are liked.

    I don't see this as much of a disagreement. They are liked because it remains only satire, it's something to read while patting oneself on the back.

    More substantively, and to return to the original topic, Musk is doing what other newspaper magnates have done previously, he's just been slightly more crass about it.
  • Alan Cresswell Alan Cresswell Admin, 8th Day Host
    "slightly"????
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    "slightly"????

    Well, isn't his whole "Grooming gangz!!" schtick basically just a re-hash of an old Murdoch trope from a few years back??
  • Ruth wrote: »
    Maybe a few coolers as well.

    Recipe here. Yes, I still occasionally make them in the summer. Yes, I still bless @mousethief's name when I do.

    God, I miss the Old Ship. Just spent a very happy hour reading through some of the threads there.
  • A comment on Musk from the UK's Marsh Family:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_N4UmUjJeo
  • JonahManJonahMan Shipmate
    I disagree about Private Eye. Yes there are pages and pages full of silly jokes, cartoons etc. But there are also serious and long running pieces of investigative journalism, including at the moment looking into the Lucy Letby case, the Post Office Scandal, local government dodginess, financial shenanigans etc. Some of these can be written in a sardonic style, but I'm sure they make uncomfortable reading for those exposed.
  • JonahMan wrote: »
    Some of these can be written in a sardonic style, but I'm sure they make uncomfortable reading for those exposed.

    I'm sure the rich and powerful quake in their boots at the idea.
  • Alan Cresswell Alan Cresswell Admin, 8th Day Host
    Or, phone their lawyers and issue a libel case. Private Eye has been known to touch a nerve enough times for that to not be uncommon.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Or, phone their lawyers and issue a libel case. Private Eye has been known to touch a nerve enough times for that to not be uncommon.

    It's not clear that Hislop is the most frequent libel defendant in British legal history but he must be pretty high up the list.
  • Martin54Martin54 Suspended
    Hugal wrote: »
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Hugal wrote: »
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Hugal wrote: »
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Gas.

    Did I not say some things. I think I did. I would appreciate it if you read my post properly before answering. Thanks

    I did. Thanks. Gas is not a little. Thanks.

    I am guessing you understood what I meant.

    No.

    Little as in a small number of things, not that the things themselves are small
    Hugal wrote: »
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Hugal wrote: »
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    The antiChrist from the Apocalypse comes from within the church and it prevents the proclamation of the gospel. During the Reformation, the Papacy was identified as the antiChrist of its time. Now, with the reproachment of the various denominations, the papacy may not be the antichrist of today. Myself, I think the antichrist lies in the bureaucracy of the institution.

    The figure who is 666 can be a number of possibilities. The way I look at it is in Biblical numerology, 7 is the perfect number. Could refer to Christ. Now, if one puts a decimal point between the first six and the last two sixes, one can begin to see 6.66 is not quite perfect. Revelation says many people will follow 666, but in the end, they will be disappointed. To me, Trump fits that category. He is extremely narcissistic. He can do no wrong. He is smarter than any of his generals, He can end wars within a day (though is chief negotiator thinks it will take 100 days). He is not above using force to take Greenland and the Panama Canal. He is the most imperfect leader in the free world at this time.

    Musk, to me, will burn himself out. Either that, or the EU countries will find a way to shut him up.

    Of note, Tesla sales are slumping in the US, but they have tanked in Europe. I wonder why. Once Tesla was the darling of the pro-environment (liberal) crowd. Now, not so much.

    The EU will not stand for Musk or Trump messing them about. Particularly certain individual countries. As to Tesla. There are plenty of European car manufacturers making EVs

    The EU is nothing. And nobody wants 25% tariff EVs. How will certain individual countries not stand for Musk or Trump messing them about? When they're doing nothing about Putin re-devouring Europe?

    Some European countries are helping out Zelenskyy. France has shown that they don’t want either of the two messing about with their politics. Let them do what he likes in the US. As I have often said The EU can provide many many things from within the 27 countries. There is little need to get stuff from elsewhere. Some, but not that much.

    Really. As I said. Gas. There is a lot of need to get much gas from elsewhere.
  • ChastMastr wrote: »
    @mousethief, do you still have that popcorn machine? ❤️ I think we need popcorn for this situation…

    (My God, that’s an old reference…)

    I never sold popcorn; it was freshly-roasted, hot cashews.
  • Ruth wrote: »
    Maybe a few coolers as well.

    Recipe here. Yes, I still occasionally make them in the summer. Yes, I still bless @mousethief's name when I do.

    Aren't they good? So awesome on a hot, hot day.
  • Gramps49 wrote: »
    @mousethief

    You wrote
    Now, you can define "proclamation of the gospel" in such a way that led prayers or proselytization by adults in school is "proclamation of the gospel," but you would be wrong.
    .

    I was referring to the ideas of people I disagree with, not stating my own. Rest of post snipped due to being irrelevant based on this misunderstanding.
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Hugal wrote: »
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Hugal wrote: »
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Hugal wrote: »
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Gas.

    Did I not say some things. I think I did. I would appreciate it if you read my post properly before answering. Thanks

    I did. Thanks. Gas is not a little. Thanks.

    I am guessing you understood what I meant.

    No.

    Little as in a small number of things, not that the things themselves are small
    Hugal wrote: »
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Hugal wrote: »
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    The antiChrist from the Apocalypse comes from within the church and it prevents the proclamation of the gospel. During the Reformation, the Papacy was identified as the antiChrist of its time. Now, with the reproachment of the various denominations, the papacy may not be the antichrist of today. Myself, I think the antichrist lies in the bureaucracy of the institution.

    The figure who is 666 can be a number of possibilities. The way I look at it is in Biblical numerology, 7 is the perfect number. Could refer to Christ. Now, if one puts a decimal point between the first six and the last two sixes, one can begin to see 6.66 is not quite perfect. Revelation says many people will follow 666, but in the end, they will be disappointed. To me, Trump fits that category. He is extremely narcissistic. He can do no wrong. He is smarter than any of his generals, He can end wars within a day (though is chief negotiator thinks it will take 100 days). He is not above using force to take Greenland and the Panama Canal. He is the most imperfect leader in the free world at this time.

    Musk, to me, will burn himself out. Either that, or the EU countries will find a way to shut him up.

    Of note, Tesla sales are slumping in the US, but they have tanked in Europe. I wonder why. Once Tesla was the darling of the pro-environment (liberal) crowd. Now, not so much.

    The EU will not stand for Musk or Trump messing them about. Particularly certain individual countries. As to Tesla. There are plenty of European car manufacturers making EVs

    The EU is nothing. And nobody wants 25% tariff EVs. How will certain individual countries not stand for Musk or Trump messing them about? When they're doing nothing about Putin re-devouring Europe?

    Some European countries are helping out Zelenskyy. France has shown that they don’t want either of the two messing about with their politics. Let them do what he likes in the US. As I have often said The EU can provide many many things from within the 27 countries. There is little need to get stuff from elsewhere. Some, but not that much.

    Really. As I said. Gas. There is a lot of need to get much gas from elsewhere.

    You really are not understanding what I mean. Few in number not in size or need. Let’s leave it at this as we are getting off the point .
  • Martin54Martin54 Suspended
    Hugal wrote: »
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Hugal wrote: »
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Hugal wrote: »
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Hugal wrote: »
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Gas.

    Did I not say some things. I think I did. I would appreciate it if you read my post properly before answering. Thanks

    I did. Thanks. Gas is not a little. Thanks.

    I am guessing you understood what I meant.

    No.

    Little as in a small number of things, not that the things themselves are small
    Hugal wrote: »
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Hugal wrote: »
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    The antiChrist from the Apocalypse comes from within the church and it prevents the proclamation of the gospel. During the Reformation, the Papacy was identified as the antiChrist of its time. Now, with the reproachment of the various denominations, the papacy may not be the antichrist of today. Myself, I think the antichrist lies in the bureaucracy of the institution.

    The figure who is 666 can be a number of possibilities. The way I look at it is in Biblical numerology, 7 is the perfect number. Could refer to Christ. Now, if one puts a decimal point between the first six and the last two sixes, one can begin to see 6.66 is not quite perfect. Revelation says many people will follow 666, but in the end, they will be disappointed. To me, Trump fits that category. He is extremely narcissistic. He can do no wrong. He is smarter than any of his generals, He can end wars within a day (though is chief negotiator thinks it will take 100 days). He is not above using force to take Greenland and the Panama Canal. He is the most imperfect leader in the free world at this time.

    Musk, to me, will burn himself out. Either that, or the EU countries will find a way to shut him up.

    Of note, Tesla sales are slumping in the US, but they have tanked in Europe. I wonder why. Once Tesla was the darling of the pro-environment (liberal) crowd. Now, not so much.

    The EU will not stand for Musk or Trump messing them about. Particularly certain individual countries. As to Tesla. There are plenty of European car manufacturers making EVs

    The EU is nothing. And nobody wants 25% tariff EVs. How will certain individual countries not stand for Musk or Trump messing them about? When they're doing nothing about Putin re-devouring Europe?

    Some European countries are helping out Zelenskyy. France has shown that they don’t want either of the two messing about with their politics. Let them do what he likes in the US. As I have often said The EU can provide many many things from within the 27 countries. There is little need to get stuff from elsewhere. Some, but not that much.

    Really. As I said. Gas. There is a lot of need to get much gas from elsewhere.

    You really are not understanding what I mean. Few in number not in size or need. Let’s leave it at this as we are getting off the point .

    You are backpedalling.
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Hugal wrote: »
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Hugal wrote: »
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Hugal wrote: »
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Hugal wrote: »
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Gas.

    Did I not say some things. I think I did. I would appreciate it if you read my post properly before answering. Thanks

    I did. Thanks. Gas is not a little. Thanks.

    I am guessing you understood what I meant.

    No.

    Little as in a small number of things, not that the things themselves are small
    Hugal wrote: »
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Hugal wrote: »
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    The antiChrist from the Apocalypse comes from within the church and it prevents the proclamation of the gospel. During the Reformation, the Papacy was identified as the antiChrist of its time. Now, with the reproachment of the various denominations, the papacy may not be the antichrist of today. Myself, I think the antichrist lies in the bureaucracy of the institution.

    The figure who is 666 can be a number of possibilities. The way I look at it is in Biblical numerology, 7 is the perfect number. Could refer to Christ. Now, if one puts a decimal point between the first six and the last two sixes, one can begin to see 6.66 is not quite perfect. Revelation says many people will follow 666, but in the end, they will be disappointed. To me, Trump fits that category. He is extremely narcissistic. He can do no wrong. He is smarter than any of his generals, He can end wars within a day (though is chief negotiator thinks it will take 100 days). He is not above using force to take Greenland and the Panama Canal. He is the most imperfect leader in the free world at this time.

    Musk, to me, will burn himself out. Either that, or the EU countries will find a way to shut him up.

    Of note, Tesla sales are slumping in the US, but they have tanked in Europe. I wonder why. Once Tesla was the darling of the pro-environment (liberal) crowd. Now, not so much.

    The EU will not stand for Musk or Trump messing them about. Particularly certain individual countries. As to Tesla. There are plenty of European car manufacturers making EVs

    The EU is nothing. And nobody wants 25% tariff EVs. How will certain individual countries not stand for Musk or Trump messing them about? When they're doing nothing about Putin re-devouring Europe?

    Some European countries are helping out Zelenskyy. France has shown that they don’t want either of the two messing about with their politics. Let them do what he likes in the US. As I have often said The EU can provide many many things from within the 27 countries. There is little need to get stuff from elsewhere. Some, but not that much.

    Really. As I said. Gas. There is a lot of need to get much gas from elsewhere.

    You really are not understanding what I mean. Few in number not in size or need. Let’s leave it at this as we are getting off the point .

    You are backpedalling.

    No I am not. O have tried to make you understand but you either don’t or won’t. We are taking space on this thread which is not about us. Pleas stop.
  • FWIW @Hugal - your point was clear to me.
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    FWIW @Hugal - your point was clear to me.

    Thanks
  • Alan Cresswell Alan Cresswell Admin, 8th Day Host
    Though you have to admire Martin, of all people, asking for clarification of what someone has said.
  • Though you have to admire Martin, of all people, asking for clarification of what someone has said.

    That thought did occur to me, too.
    :naughty:
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Though you have to admire Martin, of all people, asking for clarification of what someone has said.

    It does make a certain amount of sense that the translation problem should cut both ways. We're not fluent in the Martinese dialect and Martin isn't fully fluent in standard English.
  • Alas! there are times when even Professor G Oogle and his translation service are of no avail...
    :naughty:

    Meanwhile, Musk seems (AFAICS) to have gone relatively quiet, unless I'm missing something. Is he saving himself for The Big Day next week?

  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    Alas! there are times when even Professor G Oogle and his translation service are of no avail...
    :naughty:

    Meanwhile, Musk seems (AFAICS) to have gone relatively quiet, unless I'm missing something. Is he saving himself for The Big Day next week?

    Turns out Musk is now claiming his company can build a $20 trillion-dollar transatlantic vacuum tube from New York to London. He says people will be able to travel from NYC to LON in less than an hour See this claim.

  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited January 15
    Well, that'll make it so much easier for Emperor Trump and his armies court to reach this part of The Greater Trumplandia That Shall Be...

  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    Well, that'll make it so much easier for Emperor Trump and his armies court to reach this part of The Greater Trumplandia That Shall Be...

    I thought about that too. Of course, I was thinking the other way around. Like Putin arriving at our doorstep.

    Seriously, it seems whenever we speed up the transportation technologies, new invasive organisms show up. Did you know earthworms were not found in North America until European ships started landing on American soil? Many plants and diseases also crossed over.

    Even if the tubes and the capsules can be sanitized, it still does not seem like a good idea.
  • Alan Cresswell Alan Cresswell Admin, 8th Day Host
    There would have been earthworms in North America south of the regions that were glaciated, and these would have spread some way back into those regions after glacial retreat. Human activity has spread them faster than they otherwise would have spread (any migratory herbivore would also assist in their spread, but bison largely stick to the grass plains and don't go into the northern forests and caribou don't migrate far enough south in the Americas to reach the areas where worms had spread naturally), and introduced European and Asian species. There would be similar issues in northern European regions where earthworms wouldn't have been able to spread so fast after glacial retreat without human assistance. It's an issue where faster spreading insects had created a habitat in northern forests and the spread of earthworms is competing with them.
  • DafydDafyd Hell Host
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    Did you know earthworms were not found in North America until European ships started landing on American soil?
    There were earthworms in North America before Europeans came. About a third of the present species in North America aren't native, and according to Wikipedia there are forests where the only earthworms are invasive species, but the majority of North American species are indigenous.

  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    Alas! there are times when even Professor G Oogle and his translation service are of no avail...
    :naughty:

    Meanwhile, Musk seems (AFAICS) to have gone relatively quiet, unless I'm missing something. Is he saving himself for The Big Day next week?

    Turns out Musk is now claiming his company can build a $20 trillion-dollar transatlantic vacuum tube from New York to London. He says people will be able to travel from NYC to LON in less than an hour See this claim.

    For those following along at home this would need a cruising speed around 6000kph and some serious acceleration and deceleration to get there. Even assuming you could take the shortest great circle route.
  • Gramps49 wrote: »
    Alas! there are times when even Professor G Oogle and his translation service are of no avail...
    :naughty:

    Meanwhile, Musk seems (AFAICS) to have gone relatively quiet, unless I'm missing something. Is he saving himself for The Big Day next week?

    Turns out Musk is now claiming his company can build a $20 trillion-dollar transatlantic vacuum tube from New York to London. He says people will be able to travel from NYC to LON in less than an hour See this claim.

    For those following along at home this would need a cruising speed around 6000kph and some serious acceleration and deceleration to get there. Even assuming you could take the shortest great circle route.

    And your acceleration and deceleration have to be such that you don't kill your riders.
  • mousethief wrote: »
    And your acceleration and deceleration have to be such that you don't kill your riders.

    Somewhere around 4 m/s^2 is a pretty normal number for initial acceleration for a passenger aircraft. You could sustain that without issue.

    New York to London is let's say 6000 km (we'll allow a little margin for messing around at start and finish.

    Let's assume you accelerate from rest at a steady 4 m/s^2, until you reach the half way point (3000 km), then start decelerating at 4 m/s^2. You'd reach the half-way point in just over 20 minutes, and you'd come to a halt at your destination in 40 minutes. Your train will reach about 11,000 miles per hour.

    If you wanted to accelerate to 3000 mph and hold there, you'd spend about the first 250 km accelerating at 4 m/s^2, which would get you just over 3000 mph in a bit under 6 minutes. Then you'd sit at 3000 mph for 5500km (about an hour and 5 minutes), then spend the last 250 km braking for 6 minutes.

    Calling that "an hour" is being a bit generous with your approximations, but OK.

  • A much bigger challenge (in my opinion) with this idea is the idea of having an evacuated tunnel for the train. Let's gloss over all the questions about things like high speed lubricants that work in vacuum, and just look at the massive vacuum cannon we've created. A reasonable tunnel would have around 10 m^2 cross section, times 6000 km in length. If the doors fail at one end, you're going to launch door bits down the tunnel at about 1000 mph, and suck in anyone and any thing near the doors.
  • Alan Cresswell Alan Cresswell Admin, 8th Day Host
    A proposal with enough technical challenges to make getting to Mars seem simple.

    And, starting off trans-Atlantic would appear to be putting carts before horses. A much simpler proposition would be to develop a series of vacuum tunnels for ultra high speed travel within the continental US (or, Europe, Asia, Africa) where the lines can be constructed by cut and cover with limited hard rock tunnelling, and relatively short routes used to test and demonstrate technology before extending them further. An LA to NY line should be at least as beneficial as NY to Paris, it can serve cities along the way as well (with slower average speed, of course).
  • I hereby nominate @Alan Cresswell to serve as Secretary of State for Inter-Trumplandian Transport, with immediate effect.

    He will then be responsible for building the bigliest tunnels ever...!
  • EirenistEirenist Shipmate
    I wonder if Mr Musk is aware of the Atlantic Fault?
  • HedgehogHedgehog Shipmate
    If it is a fault, they'll blame the Democrats, as usual.
  • Seriously, though, the thought of Mump and Trusk being in power is truly frightening, especially when aided and abetted by Buckerberg and Zezos...

    Are these The Four Horsemen Of The Apocalypse, writ anew, as it were?
  • Seriously, though, the thought of Mump and Trusk being in power is truly frightening, especially when aided and abetted by Buckerberg and Zezos...

    Are these The Four Horsemen Of The Apocalypse, writ anew, as it were?

    What would Peter Thiel be?
  • No idea, I'm afraid. I'll leave it up to you...
  • A much bigger challenge (in my opinion) with this idea is the idea of having an evacuated tunnel for the train. Let's gloss over all the questions about things like high speed lubricants that work in vacuum, and just look at the massive vacuum cannon we've created. A reasonable tunnel would have around 10 m^2 cross section, times 6000 km in length. If the doors fail at one end, you're going to launch door bits down the tunnel at about 1000 mph, and suck in anyone and any thing near the doors.

    Lubricants schmubricants. It would have to be maglev.
  • Eirenist wrote: »
    I wonder if Mr Musk is aware of the Atlantic Fault?

    Just make an expansion joint. what's it at, now? I found one website that said 2.66cm or about 1 inch per year.
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