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  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    ChastMastr wrote: »
    Seriously, though, the thought of Mump and Trusk being in power is truly frightening, especially when aided and abetted by Buckerberg and Zezos...

    Are these The Four Horsemen Of The Apocalypse, writ anew, as it were?

    What would Peter Thiel be?

    Ronald Soak?
  • ChastMastr wrote: »
    Seriously, though, the thought of Mump and Trusk being in power is truly frightening, especially when aided and abetted by Buckerberg and Zezos...

    Are these The Four Horsemen Of The Apocalypse, writ anew, as it were?

    What would Peter Thiel be?

    The horse they rode in on.
  • JonahManJonahMan Shipmate
    JonahMan wrote: »
    Some of these can be written in a sardonic style, but I'm sure they make uncomfortable reading for those exposed.

    I'm sure the rich and powerful quake in their boots at the idea.

    Ask Paula Vennels.

    Investigative journalism doesn't have the power (correctly) to convict or punish wrongdoers, but it does bring their actions into the light where, in an ideal world (which this is far from) justice can be done.
  • Alan Cresswell Alan Cresswell Admin, 8th Day Host
    SpaceX rocket goes *BOOM*. Again.
  • JonahMan wrote: »
    JonahMan wrote: »
    Some of these can be written in a sardonic style, but I'm sure they make uncomfortable reading for those exposed.

    I'm sure the rich and powerful quake in their boots at the idea.

    Ask Paula Vennels.

    Social embarrassment for one person isn't a particularly great record (especially when there was widespread media coverage leading up to it), generally stories go there to die.
    SpaceX rocket goes *BOOM*. Again.

    Causing a lot of cost in terms of diverted flights and so on - Boca Chica is a terrible launch site for anything likely to go boom.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    After the latest rocket failure I've just seen someone call Musk "Temu von Braun" which is pretty perfect.
  • JonahManJonahMan Shipmate
    edited January 17
    JonahMan wrote: »
    JonahMan wrote: »
    Some of these can be written in a sardonic style, but I'm sure they make uncomfortable reading for those exposed.

    I'm sure the rich and powerful quake in their boots at the idea.

    Ask Paula Vennels.

    Social embarrassment for one person isn't a particularly great record (especially when there was widespread media coverage leading up to it), generally stories go there to die.

    You do understand that that was just one example rather than an exhaustive list?
  • Martin54Martin54 Suspended
    edited January 17
    Hugal wrote: »
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Hugal wrote: »
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    The antiChrist from the Apocalypse comes from within the church and it prevents the proclamation of the gospel. During the Reformation, the Papacy was identified as the antiChrist of its time. Now, with the reproachment of the various denominations, the papacy may not be the antichrist of today. Myself, I think the antichrist lies in the bureaucracy of the institution.

    The figure who is 666 can be a number of possibilities. The way I look at it is in Biblical numerology, 7 is the perfect number. Could refer to Christ. Now, if one puts a decimal point between the first six and the last two sixes, one can begin to see 6.66 is not quite perfect. Revelation says many people will follow 666, but in the end, they will be disappointed. To me, Trump fits that category. He is extremely narcissistic. He can do no wrong. He is smarter than any of his generals, He can end wars within a day (though is chief negotiator thinks it will take 100 days). He is not above using force to take Greenland and the Panama Canal. He is the most imperfect leader in the free world at this time.

    Musk, to me, will burn himself out. Either that, or the EU countries will find a way to shut him up.

    Of note, Tesla sales are slumping in the US, but they have tanked in Europe. I wonder why. Once Tesla was the darling of the pro-environment (liberal) crowd. Now, not so much.

    The EU will not stand for Musk or Trump messing them about. Particularly certain individual countries. As to Tesla. There are plenty of European car manufacturers making EVs

    The EU is nothing. And nobody wants 25% tariff EVs. How will certain individual countries not stand for Musk or Trump messing them about? When they're doing nothing about Putin re-devouring Europe?

    Some European countries are helping out Zelenskyy. France has shown that they don’t want either of the two messing about with their politics. Let them do what he likes in the US. As I have often said The EU can provide many many things from within the 27 countries. There is little need to get stuff from elsewhere. Some, but not that much.

    Some stuff. But not much.
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Gas.

    I said. Some stuff. And much.
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Hugal wrote: »
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Gas.

    Did I not say some things. I think I did. I would appreciate it if you read my post properly before answering. Thanks

    I did. Thanks. Gas is not a little. Thanks.

    And no you didn't say some things. You said stuff.

    I'd appreciate it if you quoted yourself correctly.
    FWIW @Hugal - your point was clear to me.

    What point?
    Though you have to admire Martin, of all people, asking for clarification of what someone has said.

    I bask in your admiration.
  • chrisstileschrisstiles Hell Host
    edited January 17
    JonahMan wrote: »
    JonahMan wrote: »
    JonahMan wrote: »
    Some of these can be written in a sardonic style, but I'm sure they make uncomfortable reading for those exposed.

    I'm sure the rich and powerful quake in their boots at the idea.

    Ask Paula Vennels.

    Social embarrassment for one person isn't a particularly great record (especially when there was widespread media coverage leading up to it), generally stories go there to die.

    You do understand that that was just one example rather than an exhaustive list?

    In comparative terms it is not (and we've not looked at the debit side). To be clear, this isn't entirely a critique of Private Eye so much as the place they hold in the British imaginary.
  • JonahMan wrote: »
    JonahMan wrote: »
    Some of these can be written in a sardonic style, but I'm sure they make uncomfortable reading for those exposed.

    I'm sure the rich and powerful quake in their boots at the idea.

    Ask Paula Vennels.

    Investigative journalism doesn't have the power (correctly) to convict or punish wrongdoers, but it does bring their actions into the light where, in an ideal world (which this is far from) justice can be done.

    Not sure it is a good example actually. It took a decade of campaigning and then a TV series before there was proper investigation. In which time people died and had their lives ruined.

    And this is still not sorted. Vennels is one person on many who needed to pay and there are still many in positions of responsibility who are cuplable.

    While Fujitsu is still given government contracts, there is no justice.
  • LouiseLouise Epiphanies Host
    edited January 18
    After the latest rocket failure I've just seen someone call Musk "Temu von Braun" which is pretty perfect.

    Séamas O'Reilly who's a very witty writer has a take on the tech bros in the Irish Examiner this week, including Musk.

    Warning though, some of the details are, as Uma Thurman's character put it in 'Pulp Fiction', "a little bit more information than I needed" about their various habits and bodily parts...

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle-columnists/arid-41555305.html
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    I will stick with Facebook for now. I have so many people I know from different countries around the world on there it is the best place to keep up.
  • ChastMastrChastMastr Shipmate
    edited January 18
    Hugal wrote: »
    I will stick with Facebook for now. I have so many people I know from different countries around the world on there it is the best place to keep up.

    Ditto. I’m also on Bluesky as well as Twitter, for now.
  • Hugal wrote: »
    I will stick with Facebook for now. I have so many people I know from different countries around the world on there it is the best place to keep up.

    I am staying there, for a few groups of people who I only know from there.

    But I am trying to reduce my use of it.
  • EirenistEirenist Shipmate
    What can Musk be on - dancing around like a lunatic and throwing Nazi salutes?
  • la vie en rougela vie en rouge Purgatory Host, Circus Host
    I think his main drug is money.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited January 21
    Ketamine, so I hear, but that may not be proven.

    Dancing like a lunatic, and throwing Nazi salutes, might simply mean that he actually is a mad fascist...
  • Alan Cresswell Alan Cresswell Admin, 8th Day Host
    Eirenist wrote: »
    What can Musk be on - dancing around like a lunatic and throwing Nazi salutes?
    Another planet? He may not have realised he's not got to Mars yet.
  • Eirenist wrote: »
    What can Musk be on - dancing around like a lunatic and throwing Nazi salutes?

    I'm sure he's tried all kinds of stuff, and there are some interesting clips from the inauguration. Nevertheless, the rest of it was all him trying to be a 50+ edgelord and not quite pulling it off in a deniable way (this kind of behaviour is quite prevalent on the alt-right, the use of certain numbers and phrases, small hand gestures on the edge of photos and so on).

    You could view this as an interesting example of self radicalisation, isolation over Covid, followed by overuse of his own site, though family background could also play a role (parents who moved from Canada to apartheid era South Africa for economic and cultural reasons)
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    Meanwhile, the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) is being challenged in court in that it violates the Federal Advisory Committee Act.

    1. It is not authorized by Congress
    2. It does not have balanced representation
    3. It is not being led by a federal officer
    4. And, it is not transparent.

    Hopefully, it will take four years for the courts to resolve this.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Gramps49 wrote: »

    Hopefully, it will take four years for the courts to resolve this.

    That only helps if the courts grant injunctive relief in the interim. With this SCOTUS? Don't bet on it.
  • Musk did a Nazi salute. To greet his nazi friends and followers. Because he is a nazi, like his subordinate Trump.
  • With Musk inside the tent, people have stopped talking about Putin. Does he still have a nose in?
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    mousethief wrote: »
    With Musk inside the tent, people have stopped talking about Putin. Does he still have a nose in?

    My own guess from a zillion degrees removed is that whatever direct sway Putin might have once had with Trump has rapidly diminished, BUT...

    ...it is probably still in Putin's interest to have a POTUS who declares territorial wars against NATO countries, and is so clueless about the alliance generally that he thinks Spain is in the BRICS.
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    While Fujitsu is still given government contracts, there is no justice.

    Though it’s always worth remembering *why* Fujitsu has all these UK government contracts (you may know, but for the benefit of others) - because Fujitsu bought ICL, which was a typical British government ‘picking winners’ creature bolted together to give Britain a global competitor in the space (Tony Benn wanted ICL to be the British rival to IBM).

    So it got all sorts of government contracts because it had the Union Jack on it. Fujitsu bought it largely for that access, but it’s still (marginally) the one with all the British jobs attached when it comes to the public sector.

    Justice runs up against reality. It’s a brave government that would turn Fujitsu’s face explicitly to the wall.
  • So it got all sorts of government contracts because it had the Union Jack on it. Fujitsu bought it largely for that access, but it’s still (marginally) the one with all the British jobs attached when it comes to the public sector.

    True to a point, but that's the case with all the IT service providers bidding for public sector contracts. Most of them took over smaller British companies (CGI and Logica etc) because there'll always be roles in those contracts that'll have to be done onshore.
  • I do know the history of ICL/Fujitsu. The Union Jack factor would mean - for me at least - that existing contracts can be kept, although there should be reviews of all the issues raised (staff having access to live accounts and adjusting figures without record).

    It its the fact that they are still a preferred supplier, despite having proven they are not capable that is the problem to me.

    That implies corruption rather than supporting British jobs.
  • Martin54Martin54 Suspended
    I do know the history of ICL/Fujitsu. The Union Jack factor would mean - for me at least - that existing contracts can be kept, although there should be reviews of all the issues raised (staff having access to live accounts and adjusting figures without record).

    It its the fact that they are still a preferred supplier, despite having proven they are not capable that is the problem to me.

    That implies corruption rather than supporting British jobs.

    Me too. I've been in the same room. Literally. As a supplier to British Gas.
  • TurquoiseTasticTurquoiseTastic Kerygmania Host
    Musk is going out of his way to support AfD, which let us remember is a party that Marine Le Pen feels is too unsavoury to be associated with.
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    I ask what is Cusk getting out of heading up DOGE A trove of classified and sensitive Federal Information. That is what a quarter of a billion dollars will get you.

    Did anyone else notice DOGE is also the name for a bitcoin?

    Can't be related, can it?
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    Musk is going out of his way to support AfD, which let us remember is a party that Marine Le Pen feels is too unsavoury to be associated with.

    I really think Musk is over-estimating how much his PERSONAL endorsement is going to help these right-populist parties he's championing.

    The Reverend Moon was a big backer of conservative political parties and movements in the USA and ROK. But I think he eventually figured out that his reputation was such that it was a better idea to focus most of his noticable attention on his church and businesses, and keep his political involvement aggressive but low-profile.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    I ask what is Cusk getting out of heading up DOGE A trove of classified and sensitive Federal Information. That is what a quarter of a billion dollars will get you.

    Did anyone else notice DOGE is also the name for a bitcoin?

    Can't be related, can it?

    Bitcoin is a particular cryptocurrency, not a name for the category in general. Dogecoin is an example, possibly the ur example, of a "meme coin", one sustained primarily by association with a particular internet meme. It's undoubtedly the case that Musk, who has the emotional maturity of a 13 year old 4chan anon, named DOGE after the meme. Whether he had the intention of stoking the value of the meme coin is an open question, but it seems likely.
  • EirenistEirenist Shipmate
    Dogecoin pronounced 'dodgy coin', I suppose?
  • StephenStephen Shipmate
    Reminds me of the Doge of Venice.......-;}
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    Doesn’t exactly scream - I don’t want an oligarchy
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    Stephen wrote: »
    Reminds me of the Doge of Venice.......-;}

    I've always assumed that was the allusion.

    (Not that I know much about the Doge of Venice.)
  • However, the use of the intentionally misspelled word "Doge" dates back to June 2005, when it was mentioned in an episode of Homestar Runner's puppet series.[9] The use of the word began to grow in popularity after it was used on Reddit in October 2010 in a post of a corgi titled "LMBO LOOK @ THIS FUKKEN DOGE.”

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doge_(meme)

    The actual Doge of Venice was elected…

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doge_(title)
  • ChastMastr wrote: »
    However, the use of the intentionally misspelled word "Doge" dates back to June 2005, when it was mentioned in an episode of Homestar Runner's puppet series.[9] The use of the word began to grow in popularity after it was used on Reddit in October 2010 in a post of a corgi titled "LMBO LOOK @ THIS FUKKEN DOGE.”

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doge_(meme)

    The actual Doge of Venice was elected…

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doge_(title)

    I mean ‘elected’ is true, but doing an awful lot of heavy lifting.

    I commend the the Ship the Jan Morris summary of the Venetian electoral system in her book ‘Venice’ which I can’t link to but suffice it to say you probably need a bottle of something good and a lot of time on your hands. And you might want a notepad and pen to keep track of the various ‘7 elect 50 who elect 2 of the seven to elect 19 etc ad nauseam
  • Didn't Moussolini style himself "Il Doge"?
  • mousethief wrote: »
    Didn't Moussolini style himself "Il Doge"?

    "Il Duce."
  • BullfrogBullfrog Shipmate
    ChastMastr wrote: »
    mousethief wrote: »
    Didn't Moussolini style himself "Il Doge"?

    "Il Duce."

    Inspiring another generation of wags on the internet to refer to our president as "Ill Douche."
  • la vie en rougela vie en rouge Purgatory Host, Circus Host
    Mussolini was styling him a new Roman Emperor (commonly known by the Latin term dux, the Leader).
  • BullfrogBullfrog Shipmate
    Mussolini was styling him a new Roman Emperor (commonly known by the Latin term dux, the Leader).

    I did think that was funny, considering all of the Musk apologists who insisted he was emulating an ancient Roman salute during that speech. The Nazis thought it was one too.
  • I think Mr Musk has just been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize? For his Contribution to the furtherance of free speech - something like that.

    I think this must be the chapter Orwell would have originally included in '1984' except he thought, 'Nah, nobody would buy that, surely?!'
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Anselmina wrote: »
    I think Mr Musk has just been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize? For his Contribution to the furtherance of free speech - something like that.

    I think this must be the chapter Orwell would have originally included in '1984' except he thought, 'Nah, nobody would buy that, surely?!'

    After Kissinger? Anything's possible.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    I see wee pretendy vicar Calvin Robinson is too much of a Nazi sympathiser for his latest sect after his own sieg heil episode. When you go too far even for the "continuing Anglican" crowd...
  • CrœsosCrœsos Shipmate
    A quick timeline.

    September 25, 2024 - Elon Musk demands FAA chief Mike Whitaker resign after Whitaker suggested large fines for SpaceX.

    January 20, 2025 - Mike Whitaker resigns just ahead of Trump's inauguration.

    January 29, 2025 - First fatal crash of a commercial airliner in fifteen years. The FAA has no Senate-approved leader to deal with this crisis.
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    Crœsos wrote: »
    A quick timeline.

    September 25, 2024 - Elon Musk demands FAA chief Mike Whitaker resign after Whitaker suggested large fines for SpaceX.

    January 20, 2025 - Mike Whitaker resigns just ahead of Trump's inauguration.

    January 29, 2025 - First fatal crash of a commercial airliner in fifteen years. The FAA has no Senate-approved leader to deal with this crisis.

    You need to add an item to your timeline
    January 16, 2025 A Space X Heavy booster blows up over the Carribean Ocean, causing airlines to divert to avoid the debris falling from the sky.

    We now have a oligarchy ruling the US with Musk at the head of the club. Rich people buy the vote to put a leader of their choosing in power. The leader favors the oligarchs to the detriment of the people.

    The people that are supposed to help keep the government functioning and within the guardrails are no longer there.
  • Anselmina wrote: »
    I think Mr Musk has just been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize? For his Contribution to the furtherance of free speech - something like that.

    I think this must be the chapter Orwell would have originally included in '1984' except he thought, 'Nah, nobody would buy that, surely?!'

    The pool of people eligible to nominate for the Nobel Peace Prize is extremely large and includes all current members of the US House and Senate (or current UK MPs) so getting nominated is really nothing https://www.nobelpeaceprize.org/nobel-peace-prize/nomination/criteria-for-nominators
  • Alan Cresswell Alan Cresswell Admin, 8th Day Host
    Despite the large pool of people who are eligible to nominate people, it's reported that it's unclear whether Branko Grims is actually one of them (he's a Member of the European Parliament, which isn't on that list) . Though, if the nomination has been accepted presumably he is.
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