There was at one time a brief clip of the Minions singing SJS, but it seems to have been removed from YouTube...
FWIW, I don't especially object to the theology (though the words are a bit odd - why sing to a river ?), but I get a bit fed up when it's wheeled out so often - presumably in an attempt to appeal to the Yoof (which in Our Place's case we have not got).
Most of our younger people are students (largely from Kerala, in India), who have probably not been brought up on a diet of Graham Kendrick. Some are possibly RC, others Mar Thoma, and we also have a youngish Lutheran family from Germany, a denomination in which hymnody tends (AFAIK) to be traditional and objective.
As for Be still, for the presence of the Lord, I agree with @KarlLB that this one is also over-exposed, though I still like it . I won't bore you with it, but there is a YouTube video of a Romanian chanteuse singing BSFTPOTL (in English) whilst wandering around within and without an apparently disused Lutheran church in Romania.
A little odd, maybe, but a quick Google revealed that the church (which was neat and tidy inside, but in need of some painting and decoration) is still in use - presumably by a small, but dedicated and faithful, congregation, to whom the words of the hymn may be very meaningful indeed,
My reasons for hating BSFTPOTL is nothing to do with overuse. It's baggage.
I like Be Still and SJS. And this Sunday I'm strongly tempted to drag out something of a similar vintage: You who dwell in the shelter of the Lord. *ducks*
I like Be Still and SJS. And this Sunday I'm strongly tempted to drag out something of a similar vintage: You who dwell in the shelter of the Lord. *ducks*
I love (B)eagles Wings.
It's not in either of our hymnbooks but some kind soul has put it on Musescore (and hymnary.org, but the Musescore version has an intro). I'd forgotten how badly some of the verses scan, I even tweaked the words slightly to fit them in better. For a less than 50 year old hymn there is a surprising number of variants out there, not least whether the chorus is in the first or third person.
At 9 o'clock communion.
All My Hope on God is Founded / MICHAEL
Just as I Am Without One Plea / SAFFRON WALDEN
Love Divine, All Loves Excelling / BLAENWERN
The congregation didn't seem very enthusiastic about the first two, but warmed up in the final hymn with our organist giving it some welly on the last verse.
All my hope on God is founded - Michael Fight the good fight - Duke Street* Forty days and forty nights - Aus der Tiefe Wait for the Lord - Taize - Wait for the Lord Christ is made the sure foundation - Westminster Abbey**
He who would valiant be (Monks Gate) Forty days and forty nights (Aus Der Tiefe) Father, hear the prayer we offer (Sussex) All ye who seek a comfort sure (St Bernard)
A good selection IMHO, including two tunes by RVW!
Tradition was broken, however, as Forty days and forty nights was not used as the entrance hymn...the sky has not fallen (yet), and I daresay the church roof is still intact...
Everlasting God - a new one to me and I can't find the right version on YouTube A thousand generations falling down in worship By grace alone somehow I stand Here I am down on my knees again
Lent 1C - Temptation in the desert. Should have been Luke but the deacon read Matthew by mistake. We have a new Lectionary - maybe the layout/organisation is unfamiliar.
Come back to me
Kyrie eleison (to replace the Gloria which isn't sung in Lent.)
We rise again (Ashes)
Celtic Mass
Eagle's wings
You shall cross the barren desert.
Litany in Procession (Tallis) 🥱
Lord in this thy mercy's day (St Philio)
Take up thy cross (Breslau)
I hear thy welcome voice
All to Jesus I surrender
The whole thing was unspeakable ... shall avoid supplying there another Lent 😩
Mattins
All ye who seek a comfort sure (St Bernard)
Bendicite (Gildsmith)
Lord teach us how to pray aright (St Hugh)
Lord Jesus think on me (St Pauls)
Christian dost fhou see them (St Andrew of Crete)
For once I enjoyed this service, the grand finale was bellowed out! I was amused that all the hymns tunes requested were named after Saints.
No Evensong today
Oh yes, the Ash Wednesday Eucharist (I intended to post previously)
Hear us O Lord (Lent Prose). this was really lovely
Plainsong acclamation before the Goapel
From ashes to the living fone (Bangor)
Lord Jesus think on me (Southwell)
With joy and by the spirit led (St Clement)
This was actually a lovely act of worship, ashing was done without music and everything was sung in quite a restrained way. The offertory and final hymns were new lyrics to me but very good, no idea where they are from 🤔
Lent 1 at our place:
Father hear the prayer we offer
Only by grace
Forty days and forty nights
All my hope on God is founded
I couldn't tell you the names of the tunes I'm afraid, only that they were the ones I would have expected.
“Son of the Lord most high” - Darwall.
“When we are tested and wrestle alone” - by Ruth Duck, to Slane.
“Forty days and forty nights” - Heinlein.
“When we gather at your table” - by Carl Daw, to Nettleton.
“Guide me, O thou great Jehovah” - Cwm Rhondda. We have to sing to recorded music and, due to my error in setting up the tune, it cut out after the intro. But are we Welsh? We gave it a rousing rendition a capella!
“Longing for Light, We Wait in Darkness” (“Christ, Be Our Light”)/CHRIST, BE OUR LIGHT
“Let Us Build a House” (“All Are Welcome”)/TWO OAKS
“God of Grace and God of Glory”/CWM RHONDDA
... Cwm Rhondda. We have to sing to recorded music and, due to my error in setting up the tune, it cut out after the intro. But are we Welsh? We gave it a rousing rendition a capella!
I bet you did! 😃
We're having Compline on Sunday evenings during Lent, and did our first one this evening. Just plainsong, no hymns, as is Right And Proper.
I thought the hymn Before the ending of the day (or Te lucis ante terminum) was an integral part of Compline, but it appears to be optional in the contemporary-language version of the service:
The following or other suitable hymn may be sung.
They used to sing the Litany (to the Tallis setting) in procession at our Cathedral on Lent 1 - not sure if they still do, but I remember that, on the one occasion I attended this service, the invitation to the congregation to join the procession of choir and clergy was taken up by just one person...
Well, it's been some considerable time since I went to a service at the Cathedral, and there have been several changes of Director of Music and Precentor since then!
I see that the music list doesn't mention The Litany at all, so maybe they've discontinued its use...
I went to an interesting day on Saturday called 'A Spectrum of Song' - a singing workshop featuring music 'From Tallis to Townend'. The blarb said 'an enthralling musical journey through Christian worship music. Explore a wealth of eclectic styles, from the music of the early church to the vibrant sounds of today’s worship. The one little segment that nobody else there seemed familiar with apart from me, was when they played a little clip from Youth Praise 'Jesus is the the Saviour who I love to know', a rock and roll number that was very much of its time .... I'd forgotten all about this song, but as soon as I heard the chords it all came back, I was belting out all the words to the astonishment of everyone around me! Does anyone else here recall it?! ;-)
I thought the hymn Before the ending of the day (or Te lucis ante terminum) was an integral part of Compline, but it appears to be optional in the contemporary-language version of the service:
The following or other suitable hymn may be sung.
Before the ending of the day...
(from the C of E website)
Sorry - should have been clearer; we did have BTEOTD, where it comes in the liturgy. I suppose I was thinking no "hymnbook" hymns (as opposed to plainsong ones).
I thought the hymn Before the ending of the day (or Te lucis ante terminum) was an integral part of Compline, but it appears to be optional in the contemporary-language version of the service:
The following or other suitable hymn may be sung.
Before the ending of the day...
(from the C of E website)
Sorry - should have been clearer; we did have BTEOTD, where it comes in the liturgy. I suppose I was thinking no "hymnbook" hymns (as opposed to plainsong ones).
Ah - I did wonder about that!
Did you use a traditional- or contemporary-language version of the service?
I thought the hymn Before the ending of the day (or Te lucis ante terminum) was an integral part of Compline, but it appears to be optional in the contemporary-language version of the service:
The following or other suitable hymn may be sung.
Before the ending of the day...
(from the C of E website)
Sorry - should have been clearer; we did have BTEOTD, where it comes in the liturgy. I suppose I was thinking no "hymnbook" hymns (as opposed to plainsong ones).
Ah - I did wonder about that!
Did you use a traditional- or contemporary-language version of the service?
I thought the hymn Before the ending of the day (or Te lucis ante terminum) was an integral part of Compline, but it appears to be optional in the contemporary-language version of the service:
The following or other suitable hymn may be sung.
Before the ending of the day...
(from the C of E website)
Sorry - should have been clearer; we did have BTEOTD, where it comes in the liturgy. I suppose I was thinking no "hymnbook" hymns (as opposed to plainsong ones).
Ah - I did wonder about that!
Did you use a traditional- or contemporary-language version of the service?
Traditional BCP. ❤️
Thanks! I guessed as much...but is Compline actually in the 1662 BCP? I think there was a version in the Proposed Book of 1928.
On the BCP, does anyone, anywhere, do the Commination? When bored in church as a youngen I used to leaf through it to keep me occupied if BCPs were in pews and pondered if it was ever used. I know it may not be everyone's cup of tea, but I came across Ode II (most of Deuteronomy 32) in Orthodox Matins yesterday and pondered more direct passages (I believe this is only said in Lent; I was told it was due to its penitential nature but a priest said he has sought theologians, asked people going to Mt Athos to ask monks, enquired of bishops... and he got no satisfactory answer!)
I thought the hymn Before the ending of the day (or Te lucis ante terminum) was an integral part of Compline, but it appears to be optional in the contemporary-language version of the service:
The following or other suitable hymn may be sung.
Before the ending of the day...
(from the C of E website)
Sorry - should have been clearer; we did have BTEOTD, where it comes in the liturgy. I suppose I was thinking no "hymnbook" hymns (as opposed to plainsong ones).
Ah - I did wonder about that!
Did you use a traditional- or contemporary-language version of the service?
Traditional BCP. ❤️
Thanks! I guessed as much...but is Compline actually in the 1662 BCP? I think there was a version in the Proposed Book of 1928.
@Piglet is in this realm of Scotland, where the canon law of England pertaineth not. The current edition of the BCP is therefore that of 1929, which does indeed include compline: http://justus.anglican.org/resources/bcp/Scotland/Scot_Compline.htm
It does not, however, appear to include the aforementioned office hymn.
I know it may not be everyone's cup of tea, but I came across Ode II (most of Deuteronomy 32) in Orthodox Matins yesterday and pondered more direct passages (I believe this is only said in Lent; I was told it was due to its penitential nature but a priest said he has sought theologians, asked people going to Mt Athos to ask monks, enquired of bishops... and he got no satisfactory answer!)
More precisely it is only used by Orthodox on Tuesdays in Lent. More warlike than penitential.
I note also that in Sarum use it was the first canticle at Lauds on Saturdays.
Comments
OK. I misconstrued your post - sorry about that.
Here's the rather odd video of Be still... I referred to earlier:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9nKEiHpTLE
I love (B)eagles Wings.
It's not in either of our hymnbooks but some kind soul has put it on Musescore (and hymnary.org, but the Musescore version has an intro). I'd forgotten how badly some of the verses scan, I even tweaked the words slightly to fit them in better. For a less than 50 year old hymn there is a surprising number of variants out there, not least whether the chorus is in the first or third person.
I only know the Michael Joncas one.
All My Hope on God is Founded / MICHAEL
Just as I Am Without One Plea / SAFFRON WALDEN
Love Divine, All Loves Excelling / BLAENWERN
The congregation didn't seem very enthusiastic about the first two, but warmed up in the final hymn with our organist giving it some welly on the last verse.
All my hope on God is founded - Michael
Fight the good fight - Duke Street*
Forty days and forty nights - Aus der Tiefe
Wait for the Lord - Taize - Wait for the Lord
Christ is made the sure foundation - Westminster Abbey**
* good old wedding hymn
** actual wedding hymn (in our case anyway)
He who would valiant be (Monks Gate)
Forty days and forty nights (Aus Der Tiefe)
Father, hear the prayer we offer (Sussex)
All ye who seek a comfort sure (St Bernard)
A good selection IMHO, including two tunes by RVW!
Tradition was broken, however, as Forty days and forty nights was not used as the entrance hymn...the sky has not fallen (yet), and I daresay the church roof is still intact...
Reminds me of a dress I used to own in the 70s...
[/shallow offtopic comment]
This morning we had:
Everlasting God - a new one to me and I can't find the right version on YouTube
A thousand generations falling down in worship
By grace alone somehow I stand
Here I am down on my knees again
Come back to me
Kyrie eleison (to replace the Gloria which isn't sung in Lent.)
We rise again (Ashes)
Celtic Mass
Eagle's wings
You shall cross the barren desert.
Lent has all the best music.
Straight out of the wretched Songs of Praise Directors' Manual.
There's never a dull moment at our place.
Eucharist
Litany in Procession (Tallis) 🥱
Lord in this thy mercy's day (St Philio)
Take up thy cross (Breslau)
I hear thy welcome voice
All to Jesus I surrender
The whole thing was unspeakable ... shall avoid supplying there another Lent 😩
Mattins
All ye who seek a comfort sure (St Bernard)
Bendicite (Gildsmith)
Lord teach us how to pray aright (St Hugh)
Lord Jesus think on me (St Pauls)
Christian dost fhou see them (St Andrew of Crete)
For once I enjoyed this service, the grand finale was bellowed out! I was amused that all the hymns tunes requested were named after Saints.
No Evensong today
Oh yes, the Ash Wednesday Eucharist (I intended to post previously)
Hear us O Lord (Lent Prose). this was really lovely
Plainsong acclamation before the Goapel
From ashes to the living fone (Bangor)
Lord Jesus think on me (Southwell)
With joy and by the spirit led (St Clement)
This was actually a lovely act of worship, ashing was done without music and everything was sung in quite a restrained way. The offertory and final hymns were new lyrics to me but very good, no idea where they are from 🤔
Father hear the prayer we offer
Only by grace
Forty days and forty nights
All my hope on God is founded
I couldn't tell you the names of the tunes I'm afraid, only that they were the ones I would have expected.
“Son of the Lord most high” - Darwall.
“When we are tested and wrestle alone” - by Ruth Duck, to Slane.
“Forty days and forty nights” - Heinlein.
“When we gather at your table” - by Carl Daw, to Nettleton.
“Guide me, O thou great Jehovah” - Cwm Rhondda. We have to sing to recorded music and, due to my error in setting up the tune, it cut out after the intro. But are we Welsh? We gave it a rousing rendition a capella!
“Longing for Light, We Wait in Darkness” (“Christ, Be Our Light”)/CHRIST, BE OUR LIGHT
“Let Us Build a House” (“All Are Welcome”)/TWO OAKS
“God of Grace and God of Glory”/CWM RHONDDA
And the choir sang Allan Napier’s “Al Shlosha D’Varim.”
Let All the World in Every Corner Sing
Jesus Shall Reign Where'er the Sun
Come People of the Risen King (Townend)
Go Forth and Tell
Sorry, a bit of a blank on tunes this week
I bet you did! 😃
We're having Compline on Sunday evenings during Lent, and did our first one this evening. Just plainsong, no hymns, as is Right And Proper.
The following or other suitable hymn may be sung.
Before the ending of the day...
(from the C of E website)
Its the only hymn in the original monastic Compline.
Jesus, Tempted In The Desert (EBENEZER)
Christ, Be Our Light (LONGING FOR LIGHT)
They used to sing the Litany (to the Tallis setting) in procession at our Cathedral on Lent 1 - not sure if they still do, but I remember that, on the one occasion I attended this service, the invitation to the congregation to join the procession of choir and clergy was taken up by just one person...
I see that the music list doesn't mention The Litany at all, so maybe they've discontinued its use...
Mind you, Tallis is rather lovely.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DggxLrnvlDo
We used to belt it out much faster at the Church Of My Youth! Play it at 1.25 speed...
They were only allowed to perform/lead singing in the church hall, though, mostly at our Saturday evening gatherings - 100+ teenagers...
This would be around 1966/67.
There was some good Stuff in Youth Praise (1 and 2), and also Psalm Praise, but not much has stood the test of time.
Sorry - should have been clearer; we did have BTEOTD, where it comes in the liturgy. I suppose I was thinking no "hymnbook" hymns (as opposed to plainsong ones).
Ah - I did wonder about that!
Did you use a traditional- or contemporary-language version of the service?
Yes, I remember that one too.
Traditional BCP. ❤️
Thanks! I guessed as much...but is Compline actually in the 1662 BCP? I think there was a version in the Proposed Book of 1928.
@Piglet is in this realm of Scotland, where the canon law of England pertaineth not. The current edition of the BCP is therefore that of 1929, which does indeed include compline:
http://justus.anglican.org/resources/bcp/Scotland/Scot_Compline.htm
It does not, however, appear to include the aforementioned office hymn.
Well, in a way it is just that
More precisely it is only used by Orthodox on Tuesdays in Lent. More warlike than penitential.
I note also that in Sarum use it was the first canticle at Lauds on Saturdays.
The Greek term for "Compline" translates as "The After-Supper Service".