Sorry to both of you. It was piglet's usual turn of phrase about 'offerings' which made me assume it came from Linlithgow.
It is quite common to confuse 'ei' and 'ie' between German and English but I was unsure as to what the meaning was and whether 'LEIBEN' was a new verb. When I typed in the words it completed the line with 'LEIBEN' (well, 'lieben,of course) as an adjective and the meaning was then clear when one added the word 'God' or even 'Gott'
All the hymn tunes are a mystery to me but I love to read about them, but ignorant as I am I should not have commented on the phrase which would no doubt have been clear to hymn playing musicians.
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When I learnt German at school a lifetime ago, we were taught that "ei" and "ie" were pronounced as the sound of the second letter: "ei" as you would say the letter I ("eye") and "ie" as you'd say the letter E ("ee").
It was memorably demonstrated in the difference between "schießen" (to shoot) and "scheißen" (to shit). 😈
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Yep. My father—from whom I learned my first bits of German, which I’m sure is part of the reason I’ve always loved German—taught me the same mnemonic when I was 9 or 10.
“For all the love which from our earliest days" - Sine Nomine.
[Warning to Lenten rigorists: contains 2 Alleluias at the end of each verse].
“We praise God in the morning” (Alan Price).
“Lord of our growing years” - Little Cornard.
“Mary, joyful mother” - Evelyns.
“Tell out, my soul!” - Woodlands.
Choir:
Whence shall my tears begin, / (small extract from the Penitential Canon of St Andrew of Crete, music by Barnby
I will arise and go to my father, / SS Wesley
Hymns:
O for a thousand tongues, / Lyngham
God! When human bonds are broken, / Omni die
There’s a wideness in God’s mercy, / Cross of Jesus
Love divine, / Blaenwern
At 9 o'clock communion, which being the fifth Sunday in the month was a BCP service.
O for a Thousand Tongues (LYNGHAM)
How Deep the Father's Love for Us (Townend)
Tell Out, My Soul (WOODLANDS)
To God be the Glory (To God be the Glory)
My hope is based on Nothing Less (Magdalen)
When I Survey the Wondrous Cross (Rockingham -is there any other tune? [YMMV])
I Stand Amazed in the Presence (My Saviour's Love)
Found it hard to believe that among others we sang:
Softly and gently Jesus is calling - complete with the verse about deathbeds approaching;
And Blessed Assurance.
When I survey is sometimes sung to the tune O Waly Waly - a folk song tune from Somerset - but I guess Rockingham is probably used far more often.
We just went through this two weeks ago. Only the Episcopalians use ROCKINGHAM in the States. (It’s an option in our hymnal, but I’ve never encountered anyone who availed themselves of it.) Outside the Episcopalians, HAMBURG is the tune firmly associated with “When I Survey the Wondrous Cross.”
A lady from the congregation, R (whose husband plays the guitar and daughter plays the trumpet), has been prevailed upon to join the organists' rota, and to say that she's an improvement would be the understatement of the century. She's from an evangelical background, and can make a decent fist of accompanying the choruses upon which our misled Rector is beginning to insist. We had tried rehearsing one of them yesterday for this morning, and J (who runs the "choir") simply hadn't a clue how it went, and even with a copy of the music I was struggling to work out how it was supposed to sound! However, with R's accompaniment it all suddenly made sense, and we were queuing up afterwards to tell her how brilliant she was.
A relatively small congregation for Mothering Sunday (possibly related to the fact that the clocks went forward last night?), but we sang with reasonable gusto:
O breath of life - St Clement Restore, O Lord, the honour of your name - Restore O Lord Lord, for the years - Lord of the Years In the Lord I'll ever be thankful - Taizé I will sing the wondrous story - Hyfrydol
We had:
O God, you are my God alone (RESIGNATION, a new one on me)
Lord for the years
Guide me O thou great Jehovah (CWM RHONDDA)
Beauty for brokenness
Be thou my vision (SLANE)
*Mothering Sunday* at Our Place, with no children* present. Hymns were:
Sing we of the blessed Mother (Abbot's Leigh)
Something from the sheet (Bunessan) Lord's Prayer (Kumbaya) Virgin-born, we bow before thee (Quem Pastores) Onward, Christian families (St Gertrude)
The one sung to Bunessan was about families, but my Spy can't recall the words.
(*though we do have a few students - two were at Mass today - and some ladies in their 30s and 40s).
For the beauty of the earth
Think of a world without any flowers*
Give thanks
Laudate, omnes gentes
Give me joy in my heart
By which you will surmise that we didn't go overboard on the 'Mothering' thing, thankfully (first time for me since Mum died in October and Dad died earlier this month, so it was always going to be a tricky one).
Roses were given to all the women present. I still think my childhood church had a better idea, in that absolutely everyone came up to the altar and received a posy of flowers. They could then give them to their mother, keep them in memory of their mother or do whatever they wished with them, no questions asked. This is frankly the most inclusive method I have ever come across and I wish it were more widespread.
*This is one I haven't sung since school in the 1970s. I have fond memories of harmonising on it with my best friend! It came from the A&C Black book 'Someone's Singing Lord' which may be familiar to Brits of a certain age.
Our Place's posies are intended for the ladies present, but in practice there are usually enough for us to be as inclusive as @Gill H 's childhood Place.
Think of a world without any flowers is not one I've come across, even though I'm Of A Certain Age.
We were posies of daffodils for all the women present
At another church, many years ago before wife and children, but with a still dead mother, I used to take the posey and wander into the churchyard, find a random woman’s grave that hadn’t been touched for years, and leave it there.
Yes, I think that must have been the one - I'm sure I've sung it in the past. I'd send my Spy the link, as she is acquainted with the Rev Dylan Turner, but she is eschewing the computer at the moment, following eye surgery...
Merbecke minus Gloria
The King of love (St Columba)
Father hear the prayer we offer (Sussex)
Hark my soul it is the Lord (St Bees)
Virgin born we bow before thee (Quem pastores)
Lord of life and King of glory (Dismissal)
Evensong
Dear Lord and Father (Repton)
The Lord my pasture shall prepare (Surrey)
Ave Maria blessed maid (St Alban)
Jerusalem ghe golden (Ewing)
All went well, had not sung or played "St Alban" (EH 216j for many a long year. The final hymn in the morning (EH 530) has very dated words even for this traditional parish. If you want a laugh look it up and see how unsuutabke it is for modern situations and understanding "that in all we do or say, little souls our deeds may copy, and be never led astray" is one gem and the best bit was "For the children thou hast given, we must answer unto thee". 🤣🤣
It was as far removed from a modern day Family Mothering service as can be imagined!
Choir:
Whence shall my tears begin, / (small extract from the Penitential Canon of St Andrew of Crete, music by Barnby
Interesting choice. In the Orthodox calendar we read (or in some places sing) the whole of that Great Canon (all 250+ verses) next Wednesday evening (or Thursday morning).
I note that the text set by Barnby is one of J M Neale's paraphrases.
“Here in This Place” (“Gather Us In”)/GATHER US IN
“Will You Let Me Be Your Servant?”/THE SERVANT SONG
“In Christ Called”/ST. DENIO
* I had a hard time keeping a straight face on that first line.
And yesterday I was at a presbytery meeting. The meeting was supposed to have happened in February, but was postponed due to snow. The service appeared to have been planned with February being Black History Month in mind, as the hymns were:
“Lift Every Voice and Sing”
“We Shall Overcome”
“Guide My Feet, Lord, While I Run this Race”
“I’m Gonna Live So God Can Use Me”
Given the current situation in the US, singing the first two in particular felt more than a bit like acts of resistance.
Congregational singing was dire yesterday. Noisy and uncontrolled kids, an Indian priest who is very difficult to understand and a silent congregation. Why do I bother?
Who breaks the power of sin and darkness (This is amazing grace) I cast my mind to Calvary Amazing Grace I just want to speak the name of Jesus O Lord, the clouds are gathering (Have mercy, Lord) Come set your rule and reign (Build your kingdom here)
Our Place makes no mention of Mothering Sunday after one infamous occasion some years ago with a talk about mothers and motherhood that even I found nauseating, and I have children, and a good relationship with them, and had a good relationship with my own mother. There was particular (and painful) outcry from those for whom for various reasons it's a very difficult day, so nothing's been mentioned since. I think @Gill H 's childhood church had an excellent idea.
I still think my childhood church had a better idea, in that absolutely everyone came up to the altar and received a posy of flowers. They could then give them to their mother, keep them in memory of their mother or do whatever they wished with them, no questions asked. This is frankly the most inclusive method I have ever come across and I wish it were more widespread.
There is a case for some churches, at least, to stop making such a big thing out of *Mothering Sunday*, especially if there are few children.
By all means let parents and families be mentioned in the prayers, and by all means let spring flowers be given out to everyone - after all, Lent is another word for Spring, and looks forward to the new life of Easter.
Alas! it has become one of the major festivals of the Church of Hallmark, but it's too late to do much about that.
BTW, re what was sung in church yesterday, the suitably austere Mid-Lent Sunday Mass at Skara Cathedral, Sweden, had Guide me O thou great Redeemer (to Cwm Rhondda) as the final hymn. It was in Swedish, but a pretty fair paraphrase of the English words.
O Love, How Deep, How Broad, How High (AGINCOURT HYMN)
I love the Agincourt hymn! I can hear in my head how David played it, with all the most blasphemous* stops at his disposal!
* a coinage from a friend/colleague of his who is an organist and organ builder, and who used the term "blasphemous reeds" to describe very noisy stops of which he (and David!) approved.
Wow, what a marvellous tune - I didn't know it. This is the best version I could find but I'm sure David could have improved on it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ctfVoBwKy0
O Love, How Deep, How Broad, How High (AGINCOURT HYMN)
I love the Agincourt hymn! I can hear in my head how David played it, with all the most blasphemous* stops at his disposal!
* a coinage from a friend/colleague of his who is an organist and organ builder, and who used the term "blasphemous reeds" to describe very noisy stops of which he (and David!) approved.
Aw, I'm glad there's some consensus between a Yankee and Scottish 'Piskie!
I always play it with lots of "spicy" reeds in trying to imitate a medieval wind band, as well as making sure the tune "dances."
Wow, what a marvellous tune - I didn't know it. This is the best version I could find but I'm sure David could have improved on it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ctfVoBwKy0
Being good Orthodox Christians, today (Wednesday evening in the fifth week of Lent) we sang the service of the Great Canon of Saint Andrew of Crete. Apsrt from the Divine Litrgy this is one of the few services that we do not abbreviate. Just three and a half hours. We started at 6.30 p.m. and finished a few seconds before 10 p.m. - the nearby university clock struck ten as the priest was closing the sanctuary curtain immediately after the service.. A good spiritual and physical workout for those who do all the prescribed actions.
At the Name of Jesus (Camberwell)
O God, Our Help In Ages Past (St. Anne)
Great is Thy Faithfulness (Faithfulness)
Who Is On The Lord’s Side? (Armageddon)
Passion Sunday at Our Place:
When I survey the wondrous cross (Rockingham) Lent Prose (traditional chant - sung by cantor and congregation) And now, O Father, mindful of the love (Song 1) O dearest Lord, thy sacred head (Albano or Belmont) My song is love unknown (Love Unknown)
All very appropriate for the increasing darkness of Passiontide...
Our first Sunday in the month "Hymns of Praise" service.
For the Beauty of the Earth / DIX
By Gracious Powers So Wonderfully Sheltered / INTERCESSOR
There is a hope that burns within my heart (Townend)
What a Friend We have in Jesus / CONVERSE
Amazing Grace / NEW BRITAIN
Comments
Yes, it was me, and a typo on my part...ich spreche kein Deutsch and was doing it from memory
It is quite common to confuse 'ei' and 'ie' between German and English but I was unsure as to what the meaning was and whether 'LEIBEN' was a new verb. When I typed in the words it completed the line with 'LEIBEN' (well, 'lieben,of course) as an adjective and the meaning was then clear when one added the word 'God' or even 'Gott'
All the hymn tunes are a mystery to me but I love to read about them, but ignorant as I am I should not have commented on the phrase which would no doubt have been clear to hymn playing musicians.
When I learnt German at school a lifetime ago, we were taught that "ei" and "ie" were pronounced as the sound of the second letter: "ei" as you would say the letter I ("eye") and "ie" as you'd say the letter E ("ee").
It was memorably demonstrated in the difference between "schießen" (to shoot) and "scheißen" (to shit). 😈
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Praise my soul the king of heaven
For all the saints
The choir sang the JS Bach Chorale Be near me Lord when dying,
“For all the love which from our earliest days" - Sine Nomine.
[Warning to Lenten rigorists: contains 2 Alleluias at the end of each verse].
“We praise God in the morning” (Alan Price).
“Lord of our growing years” - Little Cornard.
“Mary, joyful mother” - Evelyns.
“Tell out, my soul!” - Woodlands.
The light of Christ
Amazing grace
Because the Lord is my shepherd.
Christ be our light.
Choir:
Whence shall my tears begin, / (small extract from the Penitential Canon of St Andrew of Crete, music by Barnby
I will arise and go to my father, / SS Wesley
Hymns:
O for a thousand tongues, / Lyngham
God! When human bonds are broken, / Omni die
There’s a wideness in God’s mercy, / Cross of Jesus
Love divine, / Blaenwern
O for a Thousand Tongues (LYNGHAM)
How Deep the Father's Love for Us (Townend)
Tell Out, My Soul (WOODLANDS)
Great is thy faithfulness
One more step along the world I go
( one I didn’t know, not in the book)
Tell out my soul. ( Woodlands).
Not a single young child was there ( only adult children, some with their elderly mothers).
My hope is based on Nothing Less (Magdalen)
When I Survey the Wondrous Cross (Rockingham -is there any other tune? [YMMV])
I Stand Amazed in the Presence (My Saviour's Love)
Softly and gently Jesus is calling - complete with the verse about deathbeds approaching;
And Blessed Assurance.
A relatively small congregation for Mothering Sunday (possibly related to the fact that the clocks went forward last night?), but we sang with reasonable gusto:
O breath of life - St Clement
Restore, O Lord, the honour of your name - Restore O Lord
Lord, for the years - Lord of the Years
In the Lord I'll ever be thankful - Taizé
I will sing the wondrous story - Hyfrydol
O God, you are my God alone (RESIGNATION, a new one on me)
Lord for the years
Guide me O thou great Jehovah (CWM RHONDDA)
Beauty for brokenness
Be thou my vision (SLANE)
Sing we of the blessed Mother (Abbot's Leigh)
Something from the sheet (Bunessan)
Lord's Prayer (Kumbaya)
Virgin-born, we bow before thee (Quem Pastores)
Onward, Christian families (St Gertrude)
The one sung to Bunessan was about families, but my Spy can't recall the words.
(*though we do have a few students - two were at Mass today - and some ladies in their 30s and 40s).
For the beauty of the earth
Now thank we all our God
And one other in the middle that I can’t remember.
Think of a world without any flowers*
Give thanks
Laudate, omnes gentes
Give me joy in my heart
By which you will surmise that we didn't go overboard on the 'Mothering' thing, thankfully (first time for me since Mum died in October and Dad died earlier this month, so it was always going to be a tricky one).
Roses were given to all the women present. I still think my childhood church had a better idea, in that absolutely everyone came up to the altar and received a posy of flowers. They could then give them to their mother, keep them in memory of their mother or do whatever they wished with them, no questions asked. This is frankly the most inclusive method I have ever come across and I wish it were more widespread.
*This is one I haven't sung since school in the 1970s. I have fond memories of harmonising on it with my best friend! It came from the A&C Black book 'Someone's Singing Lord' which may be familiar to Brits of a certain age.
Think of a world without any flowers is not one I've come across, even though I'm Of A Certain Age.
At another church, many years ago before wife and children, but with a still dead mother, I used to take the posey and wander into the churchyard, find a random woman’s grave that hadn’t been touched for years, and leave it there.
Thanks!
Yes, I think that must have been the one - I'm sure I've sung it in the past. I'd send my Spy the link, as she is acquainted with the Rev Dylan Turner, but she is eschewing the computer at the moment, following eye surgery...
Sung Eucharist (BCP) being 5th sunday of month
Merbecke minus Gloria
The King of love (St Columba)
Father hear the prayer we offer (Sussex)
Hark my soul it is the Lord (St Bees)
Virgin born we bow before thee (Quem pastores)
Lord of life and King of glory (Dismissal)
Evensong
Dear Lord and Father (Repton)
The Lord my pasture shall prepare (Surrey)
Ave Maria blessed maid (St Alban)
Jerusalem ghe golden (Ewing)
All went well, had not sung or played "St Alban" (EH 216j for many a long year. The final hymn in the morning (EH 530) has very dated words even for this traditional parish. If you want a laugh look it up and see how unsuutabke it is for modern situations and understanding "that in all we do or say, little souls our deeds may copy, and be never led astray" is one gem and the best bit was "For the children thou hast given, we must answer unto thee". 🤣🤣
It was as far removed from a modern day Family Mothering service as can be imagined!
Interesting choice. In the Orthodox calendar we read (or in some places sing) the whole of that Great Canon (all 250+ verses) next Wednesday evening (or Thursday morning).
I note that the text set by Barnby is one of J M Neale's paraphrases.
“Here in This Place” (“Gather Us In”)/GATHER US IN
“Will You Let Me Be Your Servant?”/THE SERVANT SONG
“In Christ Called”/ST. DENIO
* I had a hard time keeping a straight face on that first line.
And yesterday I was at a presbytery meeting. The meeting was supposed to have happened in February, but was postponed due to snow. The service appeared to have been planned with February being Black History Month in mind, as the hymns were:
“Lift Every Voice and Sing”
“We Shall Overcome”
“Guide My Feet, Lord, While I Run this Race”
“I’m Gonna Live So God Can Use Me”
Given the current situation in the US, singing the first two in particular felt more than a bit like acts of resistance.
Its not his best.
Not at all; I'm not averse to a bit of Rutter now and again, but I admit I find a little goes a long way.
A little bit of an evangelical flavo(u)r today for the Prodigal Son.
O Love, How Deep, How Broad, How High (AGINCOURT HYMN)*
Amazing Grace (NEW BRITAIN)
Just as I Am (WOODSWORTH)
Softly and Tenderly (THOMPSON)
* Far more exciting than DEUS TUORUM MILITUM
I cast my mind to Calvary
Amazing Grace
I just want to speak the name of Jesus
O Lord, the clouds are gathering (Have mercy, Lord)
Come set your rule and reign (Build your kingdom here)
Our Place makes no mention of Mothering Sunday after one infamous occasion some years ago with a talk about mothers and motherhood that even I found nauseating, and I have children, and a good relationship with them, and had a good relationship with my own mother. There was particular (and painful) outcry from those for whom for various reasons it's a very difficult day, so nothing's been mentioned since. I think @Gill H 's childhood church had an excellent idea.
By all means let parents and families be mentioned in the prayers, and by all means let spring flowers be given out to everyone - after all, Lent is another word for Spring, and looks forward to the new life of Easter.
Alas! it has become one of the major festivals of the Church of Hallmark, but it's too late to do much about that.
BTW, re what was sung in church yesterday, the suitably austere Mid-Lent Sunday Mass at Skara Cathedral, Sweden, had Guide me O thou great Redeemer (to Cwm Rhondda) as the final hymn. It was in Swedish, but a pretty fair paraphrase of the English words.
I love the Agincourt hymn! I can hear in my head how David played it, with all the most blasphemous* stops at his disposal!
* a coinage from a friend/colleague of his who is an organist and organ builder, and who used the term "blasphemous reeds" to describe very noisy stops of which he (and David!) approved.
Aw, I'm glad there's some consensus between a Yankee and Scottish 'Piskie!
I always play it with lots of "spicy" reeds in trying to imitate a medieval wind band, as well as making sure the tune "dances."
Here's a link to a more original instrumentation of the tune, and here's a congregational version of another different text.
Remember not, Lord, our offences
Hear my prayer, O Lord
Psalm 100. Jauchzet dem Herrn alle Welt
O God, Our Help In Ages Past (St. Anne)
Great is Thy Faithfulness (Faithfulness)
Who Is On The Lord’s Side? (Armageddon)
When I survey the wondrous cross (Rockingham)
Lent Prose (traditional chant - sung by cantor and congregation)
And now, O Father, mindful of the love (Song 1)
O dearest Lord, thy sacred head (Albano or Belmont)
My song is love unknown (Love Unknown)
All very appropriate for the increasing darkness of Passiontide...
For the Beauty of the Earth / DIX
By Gracious Powers So Wonderfully Sheltered / INTERCESSOR
There is a hope that burns within my heart (Townend)
What a Friend We have in Jesus / CONVERSE
Amazing Grace / NEW BRITAIN