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Educate Me : Ceuta, Llivia & Melilla

QuizmasterQuizmaster Shipmate Posts: 19
in The Circus
Since the Knockout Quiz finished I have not seen any threads requiring some research in order to contribute so I am trying this as an experiment.

Please add a comment but leave room for others to find out and contribute themselves.

Just for fun and enlightenment.

Comments

  • HarryCHHarryCH Shipmate
    Are these all towns in Spain?
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    HarryCH wrote: »
    Are these all towns in Spain?

    I gather there's some dispute between Spain and Morocco over them?
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    Is this like the card game “Mao,” where it’s against the rules to explain the rules, and part of the game is figuring out the rules by playing?

    And don’t quizzes and games go in The Circus?


  • SandemaniacSandemaniac Shipmate
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Is this like the card game “Mao,” where it’s against the rules to explain the rules, and part of the game is figuring out the rules by playing?

    Mornington Crescent!
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    HarryCH wrote: »
    Are these all towns in Spain?

    Yes. In a manner of speaking...
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    Sandemaniac wrote: »
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Is this like the card game “Mao,” where it’s against the rules to explain the rules, and part of the game is figuring out the rules by playing?

    Mornington Crescent!

    The first time someone started a Mornington Crescent game on the Ship, I printed out a map of the London tube system and tried to figure out the game by plotting everyone's moves.
  • BroJamesBroJames Purgatory Host
    Ruth wrote: »
    Sandemaniac wrote: »
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Is this like the card game “Mao,” where it’s against the rules to explain the rules, and part of the game is figuring out the rules by playing?

    Mornington Crescent!

    The first time someone started a Mornington Crescent game on the Ship, I printed out a map of the London tube system and tried to figure out the game by plotting everyone's moves.

    :mrgreen: :naughty:
  • SandemaniacSandemaniac Shipmate
    Ruth wrote: »
    Sandemaniac wrote: »
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Is this like the card game “Mao,” where it’s against the rules to explain the rules, and part of the game is figuring out the rules by playing?

    Mornington Crescent!

    The first time someone started a Mornington Crescent game on the Ship, I printed out a map of the London tube system and tried to figure out the game by plotting everyone's moves.

    ...and were none the wiser!
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    Sandemaniac wrote: »
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Is this like the card game “Mao,” where it’s against the rules to explain the rules, and part of the game is figuring out the rules by playing?

    Mornington Crescent!
    Ah, well, at least I understand “Mao.”

    Carry on then.
  • FirenzeFirenze Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    These were, in fact, the three daughters of Antiphon, king of Stygia (present day Switzerland). The youngest, Melilla, eloped with the giant Brantius, who threw up a wall of rocks to baffle the pursuing king, thus causing the Alps. The other two sisters were turned into respectively an owl and a bat for reasons no one can remember.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    [citation needed]
    :wink:
  • FirenzeFirenze Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    edited March 21
    Sadly the original ms was lost in the sacking of the library of Alexandria, all we have is a passing reference in De Reruma Natura
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited March 21
    Thanks. My sister used to live not far from Llivia, where there are numerous bats - descendants of the unfortunate Princess - in the belfry, she tells me.
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    You’re running away to join the circus, don’t forget your juggling balls …

    Doublethink, Admin
  • Friendly_PersuaderFriendly_Persuader Shipmate
    HarryCH wrote: »
    Are these all towns in Spain?
    HarryCH wrote: »
    Are these all towns in Spain?

    Exceptional because they're not in Spain
  • Friendly_PersuaderFriendly_Persuader Shipmate
    stetson wrote: »
    HarryCH wrote: »
    Are these all towns in Spain?

    I gather there's some dispute between Spain and Morocco over them?

    As far as I know Morocco does not have territorial claims north of the Pyrenees, but I may be mistaken.

  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    Gentle Hostly Oink

    @Quizmaster, as I am a piglet of very little brain, I'd be obliged if you'd maybe elaborate on what the thread is about.

    I'm all for esoteric games - I've played several rounds of Mornington Crescent - but I can't quite get a handle on what's going on here, and would appreciate a spot of enlightenment.

    Thank you.

    Piglet, Circus host
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    They're all exclaves - of Spain but not in it, you could say.
  • Friendly_PersuaderFriendly_Persuader Shipmate
    Each of them has a different main alternative language to Spanish each from a different language family.

    Konpantzia is currently part of the same country but that will change on the First of August when it will become part of another country until February 2026.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    For those unfamiliar with Konpantzia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pheasant_Island
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    I think @Firenze is on the right track, with her account of the varied fortunes of the daughters of King Antiphon, and I wonder if perhaps we could fill out the story somewhat?

    For instance, I have heard that it was Llivia who was turned into a bat, and that her descendants now live in the belfry of the town named after her. Quite why she was turned into a bat is unknown, but I speculate that she was forever getting into the King's hair, so to speak.

    It must, therefore, have been Ceuta who was turned into an owl, maybe as a result of her eldritch night-time screeching, railing against her father's drunken debauchery?

    Who was it, though, who performed the necessary spells and incantations? One presumes that it was the Stygian court magician, whose identity remains (for the time being) a Mystery.
  • HarryCHHarryCH Shipmate
    Thus far, I have not been able to find information on line about the daughters of King Antiphon. Reference?
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    @Firenze said:

    Sadly the original ms was lost in the sacking of the library of Alexandria, all we have is a passing reference in De Reruma Natura.

    This Wikipedia article might, therefore, be of some use. Or not.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_rerum_natura

  • QuizmasterQuizmaster Shipmate Posts: 19
    Perfect.

    Each person has added their own thoughts/discoveries.
  • QuizmasterQuizmaster Shipmate Posts: 19
    If you enjoyed that then explain Nihonium, Moscovium,Tennessine and Oganesson.
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    Quizmaster wrote: »
    Perfect.

    Each person has added their own thoughts/discoveries.
    I wouldn’t say “perfect,” given that you ignored requests—including one from a host—to elaborate on what this “quiz” is about.


  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    Quizmaster wrote: »
    If you enjoyed that then explain Nihonium, Moscovium,Tennessine and Oganesson.

    https://www.sci.news/physics/nihonium-tennessine-oganesson-moscovium-new-elements-03936.html

    What was the question?
    :unamused:

  • SandemaniacSandemaniac Shipmate
    Bishops Finger wrote: »
    Quizmaster wrote: »
    If you enjoyed that then explain Nihonium, Moscovium,Tennessine and Oganesson.

    https://www.sci.news/physics/nihonium-tennessine-oganesson-moscovium-new-elements-03936.html

    What was the question?
    :unamused:

    It was Tom Lehrer's birthday yesterday (April 9th).
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    :lol:

    What do Beccols, Auto-Cellulose, Gurney Nutting, and Barnaby, all have in common?
  • Wesley JWesley J Circus Host
    edited April 11
    [Hostly Red Nose On]

    @Quizmaster, can you please kindly check your Ship PM? - Many thanks.

    Wesley J, Circus Host

    [/Hostly Red Nose Off]
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    In the event of this thread being suppressed, the answer to my previous query is that all four were among the many firms building coach bodies post-WW2.

    Bus geeks will have known this without resort to Google, I suspect.
  • FirenzeFirenze Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    Wasn't Gurney Nutting a music hall act in the 1930s? His speciality was pulling funny faces. After the war his career in radio never really took off.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    Firenze wrote: »
    Wasn't Gurney Nutting a music hall act in the 1930s? His speciality was pulling funny faces. After the war his career in radio never really took off.

    No, no - that was Nutty Gurning...
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    ETA:

    I believe he was about as unsuccessful as Nosmo King, who failed to become famous, despite all the free advertising on railway carriages.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    edited April 15
    :mrgreen:

    Not forgetting Fanny Burney, who patented a remedy for cystitis ...

    I'll fetch my own coat.

    Nosmo King wasn't that unfamous; I remember seeing his name in the credits of Ealing comedies from the 1940s.
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