ICE Agents stopped in their tracks

Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
As we have all witnessed, the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agents have pretty well done what they please when it has come to rounding up alleged undocumented people.

Raiding clothing manufactures
Picking up people at Home Depot Lots
Snatching people off the streets
Even forcing American born minors out of the country--and a couple of the kids have life threatening illnesses.
Even arresting Democratic politicians who have stood in their way.

They do this without having to show ID's
The seizures are without warrants
Detainees are denied due process
They are more than likely masked!

Well, today, someone stood up to them and won. ICE agents were wanting to access the LA Dodgers stadium today, either to snatch people arriving for the games or grabbing spectators at will (not clear what their intentions were). But the team denied access to the ICE agents. Police were called, but only to keep protestors away from the ICE people. Now it appears the ICE vehicles have left the Dodgers parking lots!

Victory!

Your move Noem/Trump.

You going to send in the Marines, maybe?

https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/19/sport/los-angeles-dodgers-ice



Comments

  • Alan Cresswell Alan Cresswell Admin, 8th Day Host
    Communities in the US (and elsewhere) need to learn from Kenmure Street, and adapt the actions demonstrated there to their own situations. We need more people to peacefully but forcefully protest against the unethical detention of people who have made their home within host communities. Though I accept that in situations where those who are trying to abduct people carry firearms the risks people take in protesting against those actions using methods such as blocking the movement of vehicles that those of us in the UK where the Home Office thugs don't carry weapons.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited June 20
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    As we have all witnessed, the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agents have pretty well done what they please when it has come to rounding up alleged undocumented people.

    Raiding clothing manufactures
    Picking up people at Home Depot Lots
    Snatching people off the streets
    Even forcing American born minors out of the country--and a couple of the kids have life threatening illnesses.
    Even arresting Democratic politicians who have stood in their way.

    They do this without having to show ID's
    The seizures are without warrants
    Detainees are denied due process
    They are more than likely masked!

    Well, today, someone stood up to them and won. ICE agents were wanting to access the LA Dodgers stadium today, either to snatch people arriving for the games or grabbing spectators at will (not clear what their intentions were). But the team denied access to the ICE agents. Police were called, but only to keep protestors away from the ICE people. Now it appears the ICE vehicles have left the Dodgers parking lots!

    Victory!

    Your move Noem/Trump.

    You going to send in the Marines, maybe?

    https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/19/sport/los-angeles-dodgers-ice

    I'm waiting for further confirmation of what really took place, but right now it seems at least an entertainable possibility that the agents were CBP and not ICE. As far as I can tell, the claim that they were ICE is coming only from the Dodgers themselves, who I'm assuming are not neccessarily following official journalistic protocols when putting out ad hoc statements.

    Not that it matters, because as things stand right now, CBP has to be regarded as complicit in Trump's crusade, and the law-abiding bouncer at the biker-bar doesn't get to be judged separately from the sociopathic bouncer who ejects slightly drunk old men head-first through the front door.

    And it's good to see resistance to the ethnic-cleansing coming from a populist venue like an iconic MLB team.
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    Communities in the US (and elsewhere) need to learn from Kenmure Street, and adapt the actions demonstrated there to their own situations. We need more people to peacefully but forcefully protest against the unethical detention of people who have made their home within host communities. Though I accept that in situations where those who are trying to abduct people carry firearms the risks people take in protesting against those actions using methods such as blocking the movement of vehicles that those of us in the UK where the Home Office thugs don't carry weapons.

    ICE and the cops here are all armed, all the time. As are the National Guard.

    Pulling a move like the Kenmore St protests here could result in several things that won't help people ICE is snatching up. The cops could declare it an unlawful assembly and arrest people for failing to disperse. They've been using "less lethal" weapons and tear gas in crowds. ICE could detain or arrest people for obstruction of justice. They arrested the NY City comptroller for obstruction the other day. https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/06/18/rsiw-j18.html. They arrested a journalist in Georgia. https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/ice-takes-custody-spanish-language-journalist-arrested-georgia-122990625

    And it's hard to do anything when ICE snatches people, throws them in a van and takes off, and no one knows where those people end up for hours or even days. People are still chasing ICE all over LA though, trying to interfere. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/chasing-ice-the-mad-scramble-to-track-immigration-raids-across-la-county/ar-AA1GHz7a

    Yes, we need peaceful protests, but protests are not going to physically stop ICE from grabbing people.
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    stetson wrote: »
    And it's good to see resistance to the ethnic-cleansing coming from a populist venue like an iconic MLB team.

    I am a lifelong Dodgers fan, but I am not cheering them for this. Their fan base looks like the city - not true of a lot of baseball teams - but they haven't said a thing in support of their Latino fans, who are being terrorized whether they're undocumented or not. Latino neighborhoods are ghost towns. People are scared to go buy groceries.

    The LA Times says:
    - DHS claims it was their border patrol people.
    - LAPD says federal agents were there to conduct a briefing but left once it got out on social media.
    - The truth may be still another thing:
    However, at least some of the vehicles outside Dodger Stadium were believed to have been involved in an immigration raid at a Home Depot in Hollywood earlier in the morning, where several people were seen being arrested.

    Emily Phillips, an Echo Park Rapid Response community member, shared photos with The Times of two vehicles that were at both the Hollywood Home Depot and Dodger Stadium on Thursday, as identified by their license plates.

    Phillips also said a CBP officer at Dodger Stadium told her the agents were there to process the people they had arrested.

    “We bring the detainees here to process them and conduct our investigation without public interference,” the agent said, according to Phillips, who wrote down his quote. “We can’t do it in the Home Depot parking lot because the public makes it dangerous.”

    Dodger Stadium is 5 miles from the Hollywood Home Depot, if I'm guessing right about which one they were at. So if you saw someone taken away in Hollywood, you're probably not going to guess that you should go to the ballpark to find them before they end up behind bars.
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    And the Dodgers jacked ticket prices through the roof for this season. I see no reason to be anything but clear-minded about what a team owned by an investment company is all about.

    And while I'm at it, Hall of Fame-bound pitcher Clayton Kershaw, one of my favorite players, put a reference to a Bible verse about Noah's rainbow on his cap on Pride night, so fuck that guy too.
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    Ruth, guess you must have missed this article in the LA Times. A number of team and staff members of the club are immigrants themselves. Don't imagine you can maintain a stadium without immigrant crew members too.

    That said, I would acknowledge when the Dodgers moved to LA, 300 families of Mexican Americans were displaced for their stadium, all in the name of urban renewal. Their track record has not been stellar.

    As far as ticket prices are concerned, it is happening in all major ball parks. There is aways the minor teams, though--more fun too.
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    Ruth, guess you must have missed this article in the LA Times. A number of team and staff members of the club are immigrants themselves. Don't imagine you can maintain a stadium without immigrant crew members too.
    I did miss it - thank you!
    That said, I would acknowledge when the Dodgers moved to LA, 300 families of Mexican Americans were displaced for their stadium, all in the name of urban renewal. Their track record has not been stellar.
    The families were displaced by the city for public housing that they then didn't build, well before Walter O'Malley decided to move the team to LA.
    As far as ticket prices are concerned, it is happening in all major ball parks.
    I bought tickets for LA, the Yankees and San Diego last year, and I've looked at all three for this year - the Dodgers are the ones that are noticeably higher.
    There is aways the minor teams, though--more fun too.
    Dodger Stadium and the Big A (Anaheim) are both much closer to me than Rancho Cucamunga, the nearest minor league team. Long Beach briefly had a minor league team - I saw Jose Canseco on the downside of his career - and it's just not the same thing seeing minor league players in a 3000-seat ballpark. It's fun, as is college ball, but it's not at all the same thing.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited June 21
    Ruth wrote: »
    And the Dodgers jacked ticket prices through the roof for this season. I see no reason to be anything but clear-minded about what a team owned by an investment company is all about.

    Yeah, my default assumption about any for-profit corporation is that they are unlikely to take partisan political stands, especially not in support of progressive causes, and that, the rare times they do so, the posture is beneficial to their bottom line. Even veteran prog-washers like Starbucks don't come out and openly challenge specific politicians or government-agencies over social policy(*).

    But as far as useful media-events go, Trump vs. Beloved American Sports Institution can't be any worse than Trump vs. Some Democratic-Coded Group Or Person That No One Who Isn't Already Voting Democratic Likes. Specifically because Trump's whole schtick is how in-sync he is with the average guy.

    (I'm assuming the Dodgers reputation outside of LA is about that of a typical major-league sports group, ie. generally respectable among the working and middle classes.)

    (*) And definitely not on economic policy, where ownership have the exact same interests as any other 1%er.

    And while I'm at it, Hall of Fame-bound pitcher Clayton Kershaw, one of my favorite players, put a reference to a Bible verse about Noah's rainbow on his cap on Pride night, so fuck that guy too.

    That's just begging someone to reply with a cartoon of Noah standing happily under the rainbow with two male lions.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited June 21
    Apparently, there is a league called All Elite Wrestlling, and one of their stars, a guy named Brody King, wore an ABOLISH ICE shirt at a match in Mexico City the other day.

    No idea how popular or with whom this particular wrestler is. Mexico City has historic connotations with anti-racism protest at sporting events, though obviously the world tends to take the Olympics more seriously than goofy wrestling melodramas.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    According to wiki, Brody King is a member of a metal hardcore band called God's Hate, who seem broadly anti-religion. And he is a follower of straight-edge culture.
  • LAFC soccer fans showed an “Abolish ICE” banner at the match last week.
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    The Dodgers have been confiscating "Abolish ICE" signs, but that's because they don't allow any signs.
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    stetson wrote: »
    According to wiki, Brody King is a member of a metal hardcore band called God's Hate, who seem broadly anti-religion. And he is a follower of straight-edge culture.

    There are tons of straight-edge Nazis and general far-right people (especially via eco-fascist strands of political veganism) so being straight-edge doesn't say much either way imo.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    Pomona wrote: »
    stetson wrote: »
    According to wiki, Brody King is a member of a metal hardcore band called God's Hate, who seem broadly anti-religion. And he is a follower of straight-edge culture.

    There are tons of straight-edge Nazis and general far-right people (especially via eco-fascist strands of political veganism) so being straight-edge doesn't say much either way imo.

    Yeah, I've heard about reactionary strains among straight-edge, and of course, punk generally. More or less just posted that for some biographical detail.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited June 21
    From Reuters...

    LA Dodgers pledge $1 million to support families impacted by ICE raids

    Apparently partnering with the city on this. Congruent with what I wrote above about corporate political largesse, the statement was noticeably non-partisan.
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    stetson wrote: »
    From Reuters...

    LA Dodgers pledge $1 million to support families impacted by ICE raids

    Apparently partnering with the city on this. Congruent with what I wrote above about corporate political largesse, the statement was noticeably non-partisan.

    According to Forbes, their revenue last year was $753 mil. That is less than 0.002% of their receipts.

    Largesse?

    Kind of reminds me of the widow with two mites.

  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    stetson wrote: »
    From Reuters...

    LA Dodgers pledge $1 million to support families impacted by ICE raids

    Apparently partnering with the city on this. Congruent with what I wrote above about corporate political largesse, the statement was noticeably non-partisan.

    According to Forbes, their revenue last year was $753 mil. That is less than 0.002% of their receipts.

    Largesse?

    Kind of reminds me of the widow with two mites.

    Sorry. I misused the word "largesse" there, and wasn't intending it as laudatory.

    I've long been a bit confused as to "largesse", I think since seeing it misused on an All In The Family re-run in the 1980s. Meathead used it with a meaning like "generosity in a condescending manner". Though that's not quite how I was using it here, either.

    FWIW, a million dollars is about what I would expect for a distinct donation handed out by a corporation the size of the Dodgers, for purposes like the ones here.
  • W HyattW Hyatt Shipmate
    @Gramps49 - $1 million out of $753 million is approximately 0.0013, or 0.13%

  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    You are right. Thank you for the correction
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    Clergy showing up in a San Diego courthouse was effective. Led by the Catholic bishop there.
    https://timesofsandiego.com/life/2025/06/20/ice-agents-scatter-as-sd-bishop-pham-other-clergy-visit-immigration-court/
  • MaryLouiseMaryLouise Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    Ruth wrote: »
    Clergy showing up in a San Diego courthouse was effective. Led by the Catholic bishop there.
    https://timesofsandiego.com/life/2025/06/20/ice-agents-scatter-as-sd-bishop-pham-other-clergy-visit-immigration-court/

    Yes, I read an AP article on this too and hope ecumenical groups might follow suit.
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    Maybe the Pope can get the White Sox to follow in the Dodgers' footsteps.
  • It's good to hear of effective (hopefully) protest, whatever the details.
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