We Brits don't seem to have a name for what Ruth calls shortalls. I used to have some and I think I called them Short Dungarees (or was is Dungaree Shorts?)
By the way a dress with which you would wear a layer underneath is called a Pinafore Dress in UK and (I believe) a Jumper in US
*groan* I do, and there were very few young women who could get away with wearing them…though I do recall a biology demonstrator in my first year at uni (1970) who wore leather hot pants & knee high boots and sported a bouffant hairdo and a ton of makeup. It was great entertainment to see her striding around the lab and watching all those horny 18 year old boys salivating😆
I think onesies are just the pyjama/loungewear type, onesies are what Americans call babygros/baby sleepsuits. On clothing websites they seem to all come under the "jumpsuit" heading.
It does seem like all the worst y2k trends are returning, though I'm surprised nobody has seriously tried to bring back skirts over trousers yet. I'm just so tired of wide-legged everything - it's no good when you're short.
It does seem like all the worst y2k trends are returning, though I'm surprised nobody has seriously tried to bring back skirts over trousers yet. I'm just so tired of wide-legged everything - it's no good when you're short.
That was weird, and must have been just so bunchy round the waist.
Wide leg seems to have come round a few times - though I haven't seen the return of the jeans/trousers fitted to the knee, then flared. I had a favourite pair - Peacock's in Aberystwyth c 1973 - I embroidered a mouse on an ear of corn on one flare.
It does seem like all the worst y2k trends are returning, though I'm surprised nobody has seriously tried to bring back skirts over trousers yet. I'm just so tired of wide-legged everything - it's no good when you're short.
That was weird, and must have been just so bunchy round the waist.
Wide leg seems to have come round a few times - though I haven't seen the return of the jeans/trousers fitted to the knee, then flared. I had a favourite pair - Peacock's in Aberystwyth c 1973 - I embroidered a mouse on an ear of corn on one flare.
I have seen more cropped flares than full-length flares, otherwise bootcut or wide-legged/cargo pants. None of which are my friends...
By the way a dress with which you would wear a layer underneath is called a Pinafore Dress in UK and (I believe) a Jumper in US
A mid-weight dress meant to be worn with a shirt underneath is a jumper here, but it's been a long time since I've seen one. What I do see in the spring is t-shirts being worn under slip dresses.
By the way a dress with which you would wear a layer underneath is called a Pinafore Dress in UK and (I believe) a Jumper in US
A mid-weight dress meant to be worn with a shirt underneath is a jumper here, but it's been a long time since I've seen one. What I do see in the spring is t-shirts being worn under slip dresses.
Overall dresses - the kind styled like dungarees but as a dress, usually a mini dress - are pretty common here on both girls and women, and not just younger women. I see chambray ones in warmer weather and corduroy/denim/leather etc ones in autumn and winter.
I recall a church service led by the Youth Group, with one girl in purple hot pants, knee high red boots. Auburn hair and heavy make-up completed the picture.
Purple was a very modish colour late sixties/early seventies. I also seem to remember a lot of orange about. And brown corduroy- or was that the upholstery? All kitchen implements came in Harvest Gold or Avocado (I have the colander yet to prove it)
All kitchen implements came in Harvest Gold or Avocado (I have the colander yet to prove it)
Don’t forget Burnt Orange, Poppy Red and Coppertone.
I don't remember those. There were lamp bases like clotted oatmeal and William Morris wallpapers in shades of brown, and shag rugs in circular designs in, of course, cream, orange and brown. I remember the seventies as autumnal...
All kitchen implements came in Harvest Gold or Avocado (I have the colander yet to prove it)
Don’t forget Burnt Orange, Poppy Red and Coppertone.
I don't remember those. There were lamp bases like clotted oatmeal and William Morris wallpapers in shades of brown, and shag rugs in circular designs in, of course, cream, orange and brown. I remember the seventies as autumnal...
Maybe they were American things. We had a Poppy Red phone in the kitchen.
Burnt Orange and Coppertone (a shade of brown) were definitely autumnal colors, and Poppy Red could fit that description too, especially if mixed with the other colors.
For me, a baggy tee shirt under baggy cotton dungarees. I'm sure that if I had a daughter, she would say I look silly, but I don't, and I'm okay with looking a bit silly anyway. Shoe-wise, I like Rocket Dog canvas. I actually like wearing a light long sleeved shirt too - I don't like the sun blazing on my bare skin. I use a mineral sun block on my face and neck.
I don't think the comments about looking silly are specific to daughters! Dungarees are supposed to be worn over a base layer, dresses typically are not.
I didn't say comments about looking silly were specific to daughters, but from what I see on FB groups, people being told their clothes look silly often are being told by daughters, so it does seem to be a pattern, and I am pretty sure that if I had a daughter, she would say I look silly. As it is, my dad thinks I look silly.
I was imagining the dress was a pinafore dress, the dress equivalent to dungarees, because it would be quite hard to wear a tee shirt under most other kinds of dresses! And women being told they look silly by daughters often are wearing pinafore dresses - they are seen by some as for younger people, or even for children. While dungarees are seen by some as for clowns. So middle aged people wearing dungarees or pinafore dresses are seen by some as looking silly.
This UK person would distinguish between overalls (fully covering the torso) and dungarees with a bib front and straps over the shoulder - leaving arms, shoulders and sides of the torso uncovered.
I generally see 'boiler suit' or 'jumpsuit' for what you are calling overalls. Boiler suits are generally baggier and have long sleeves. As a Brit, I know 'overalls' as the American word for dungarees.
We Brits don't seem to have a name for what Ruth calls shortalls. I used to have some and I think I called them Short Dungarees (or was is Dungaree Shorts?)
I know them as dungarees shorts (in the UK). Here and here are examples.
Just to increase the comprehensive nature of nomenclature for dresses you can wear over blouses there are gymslips as well. My sister had to wear one for her first year of high school, then the school thought better of it. I believe it was supposed to be for the first three years.
Just to increase the comprehensive nature of nomenclature for dresses you can wear over blouses there are gymslips as well. My sister had to wear one for her first year of high school, then the school thought better of it. I believe it was supposed to be for the first three years.
When I was in infant school, the regular uniform for girls was like this. We called them tunics. They were the same as pinafore dresses, but for school. For PE we wore an aertex shirt with shorts.
This UK person would distinguish between overalls (fully covering the torso) and dungarees with a bib front and straps over the shoulder - leaving arms, shoulders and sides of the torso uncovered.
I generally see 'boiler suit' or 'jumpsuit' for what you are calling overalls. Boiler suits are generally baggier and have long sleeves. As a Brit, I know 'overalls' as the American word for dungarees.
There's definitely also the short-sleeved kind of boiler suit which is more tight-fitting, this is generally the "fashion" type - think April from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
For me, a baggy tee shirt under baggy cotton dungarees. I'm sure that if I had a daughter, she would say I look silly, but I don't, and I'm okay with looking a bit silly anyway. Shoe-wise, I like Rocket Dog canvas. I actually like wearing a light long sleeved shirt too - I don't like the sun blazing on my bare skin. I use a mineral sun block on my face and neck.
I don't think the comments about looking silly are specific to daughters! Dungarees are supposed to be worn over a base layer, dresses typically are not.
I didn't say comments about looking silly were specific to daughters, but from what I see on FB groups, people being told their clothes look silly often are being told by daughters, so it does seem to be a pattern, and I am pretty sure that if I had a daughter, she would say I look silly. As it is, my dad thinks I look silly.
I was imagining the dress was a pinafore dress, the dress equivalent to dungarees, because it would be quite hard to wear a tee shirt under most other kinds of dresses! And women being told they look silly by daughters often are wearing pinafore dresses - they are seen by some as for younger people, or even for children. While dungarees are seen by some as for clowns. So middle aged people wearing dungarees or pinafore dresses are seen by some as looking silly.
Dungarees and dresses over t-shirts are both pretty fashionable thanks to the 90s trend. The non-pinafore type of dress worn over a t-shirt I'm thinking of is the slip dress - like a strappy sundress. To me it's definitely a bit childish on an adult woman but only because I wore it as an actual child in the 90s.
I don't use Facebook at all so not aware of what anyone is saying there!
I've been building up a collection of loose-fitting tunic tops with "angel" sleeves (elbow length, wide and floppy), made of stretchy t-shirt material.
For less scorchy days, linen tunics with three-quarter sleeves.
I wear them with lightweight trousers (full length or cropped), and open sandals. Socks are discarded in late April and won't be reapplied until mid-September (and never with sandals).
For me, a baggy tee shirt under baggy cotton dungarees. I'm sure that if I had a daughter, she would say I look silly, but I don't, and I'm okay with looking a bit silly anyway. Shoe-wise, I like Rocket Dog canvas. I actually like wearing a light long sleeved shirt too - I don't like the sun blazing on my bare skin. I use a mineral sun block on my face and neck.
I don't think the comments about looking silly are specific to daughters! Dungarees are supposed to be worn over a base layer, dresses typically are not.
I didn't say comments about looking silly were specific to daughters, but from what I see on FB groups, people being told their clothes look silly often are being told by daughters, so it does seem to be a pattern, and I am pretty sure that if I had a daughter, she would say I look silly. As it is, my dad thinks I look silly.
I was imagining the dress was a pinafore dress, the dress equivalent to dungarees, because it would be quite hard to wear a tee shirt under most other kinds of dresses! And women being told they look silly by daughters often are wearing pinafore dresses - they are seen by some as for younger people, or even for children. While dungarees are seen by some as for clowns. So middle aged people wearing dungarees or pinafore dresses are seen by some as looking silly.
Dungarees and dresses over t-shirts are both pretty fashionable thanks to the 90s trend. The non-pinafore type of dress worn over a t-shirt I'm thinking of is the slip dress - like a strappy sundress. To me it's definitely a bit childish on an adult woman but only because I wore it as an actual child in the 90s.
I don't use Facebook at all so not aware of what anyone is saying there!
Ah, yes, I remember the slip dress thing. I've never been into dresses anyway. I wore and loved dungarees as an actual child in the 70s, and I love them still - I am ultimately the same person I was as a child - so it's been nice for me that they became fashionable again. But still, plenty of people see them as silly/childish, especially the ones with brighter colours and patterns. People also often associate them with the LGBTQIA+ community, at least where I live, which works for me, being asexual and non-binary. They feel androgynous and non-sexual, so they are comfortable in that way, as well as physically comfortable.
And it's not specific to Facebook that people's daughters find their bright/young-seeming clothing silly/embarrassing - that's just an example of where I see these conversations, as I do use Facebook!
Just to increase the comprehensive nature of nomenclature for dresses you can wear over blouses there are gymslips as well. My sister had to wear one for her first year of high school, then the school thought better of it. I believe it was supposed to be for the first three years.
A garment I hate with an perfect hatred. I had one when I was about 8 which I would stamp on as I dragged it downstairs so that it would wear out sooner. I think because it was often put on over a woollie - my mother having the usual fear about not being Warm Enough. This also led to knitted vests which I also hated.
My preference in clothing has always been for the loose and flowing - I fell on smocks and kaftans when they came in in the sixties, and have never really left off.
I can run up a pinafore dress pretty quick these days, because I use the same pattern as the over-tunic I used to wear when I was a Medieval re-enactor! I just do them in patterned fabric instead of wool.
Us too. I haven't heard the word aertex for 40 years or so.
Same. It's weird how the word just popped into my head when I was thinking of what I wore for PE lessons. I even googled to make sure I was remembering correctly. It was a brand, but was also used generically for the type of fabric. I've never heard the term 'pique' for fabric - I think these days I would say polo shirt.
We also wore plimsolls, and I don't really hear that word any more - I would say 'canvas shoes' these days. And @Firenze 's mention of 'woollies' made me realise I hadn't heard that word for years either.
I would call them gutties. You would paint them up with a white goop that came in a bottle. Mr F was looking round vaguely for it to smarten a pair of white trainers, but I said it didn't work like that any more.
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By the way a dress with which you would wear a layer underneath is called a Pinafore Dress in UK and (I believe) a Jumper in US
Informal: linen knee-length shorts, linen jacket (if I'm going out), polo shirt, leather closed-toe sandals, panama hat.
Garden/ boat/ beach: mid-length swimming shorts with zipped pockets, bare feet or swimming shoes.
I spend a lot of time on a boat so buy fairly expensive swimmers (Vilequebrin) because they are well made and last a long time.
Particularly a lassie who was both short and broad in a purple hot pants suit over lace tights and gladiator sandals.
I had a number of onsies as they'd call them now - dungarees, jumpsuits and my favourite, a boiler suit dyed pink. Faff when going to the loo though.
It does seem like all the worst y2k trends are returning, though I'm surprised nobody has seriously tried to bring back skirts over trousers yet. I'm just so tired of wide-legged everything - it's no good when you're short.
That was weird, and must have been just so bunchy round the waist.
Wide leg seems to have come round a few times - though I haven't seen the return of the jeans/trousers fitted to the knee, then flared. I had a favourite pair - Peacock's in Aberystwyth c 1973 - I embroidered a mouse on an ear of corn on one flare.
I have seen more cropped flares than full-length flares, otherwise bootcut or wide-legged/cargo pants. None of which are my friends...
A mid-weight dress meant to be worn with a shirt underneath is a jumper here, but it's been a long time since I've seen one. What I do see in the spring is t-shirts being worn under slip dresses.
Overall dresses - the kind styled like dungarees but as a dress, usually a mini dress - are pretty common here on both girls and women, and not just younger women. I see chambray ones in warmer weather and corduroy/denim/leather etc ones in autumn and winter.
Ah. Kylie in gold hot pants. Who can forget?
I don't remember those. There were lamp bases like clotted oatmeal and William Morris wallpapers in shades of brown, and shag rugs in circular designs in, of course, cream, orange and brown. I remember the seventies as autumnal...
Burnt Orange and Coppertone (a shade of brown) were definitely autumnal colors, and Poppy Red could fit that description too, especially if mixed with the other colors.
To quote Mr McEnroe You cannot be serious!
Are what I am wearing as I type.
I didn't say comments about looking silly were specific to daughters, but from what I see on FB groups, people being told their clothes look silly often are being told by daughters, so it does seem to be a pattern, and I am pretty sure that if I had a daughter, she would say I look silly. As it is, my dad thinks I look silly.
I was imagining the dress was a pinafore dress, the dress equivalent to dungarees, because it would be quite hard to wear a tee shirt under most other kinds of dresses! And women being told they look silly by daughters often are wearing pinafore dresses - they are seen by some as for younger people, or even for children. While dungarees are seen by some as for clowns. So middle aged people wearing dungarees or pinafore dresses are seen by some as looking silly.
I generally see 'boiler suit' or 'jumpsuit' for what you are calling overalls. Boiler suits are generally baggier and have long sleeves. As a Brit, I know 'overalls' as the American word for dungarees.
I know them as dungarees shorts (in the UK). Here and here are examples.
When I was in infant school, the regular uniform for girls was like this. We called them tunics. They were the same as pinafore dresses, but for school. For PE we wore an aertex shirt with shorts.
There's definitely also the short-sleeved kind of boiler suit which is more tight-fitting, this is generally the "fashion" type - think April from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
Dungarees and dresses over t-shirts are both pretty fashionable thanks to the 90s trend. The non-pinafore type of dress worn over a t-shirt I'm thinking of is the slip dress - like a strappy sundress. To me it's definitely a bit childish on an adult woman but only because I wore it as an actual child in the 90s.
I don't use Facebook at all so not aware of what anyone is saying there!
Us too. I haven't heard the word aertex for 40 years or so.
For less scorchy days, linen tunics with three-quarter sleeves.
I wear them with lightweight trousers (full length or cropped), and open sandals. Socks are discarded in late April and won't be reapplied until mid-September (and never with sandals).
Ah, yes, I remember the slip dress thing. I've never been into dresses anyway. I wore and loved dungarees as an actual child in the 70s, and I love them still - I am ultimately the same person I was as a child - so it's been nice for me that they became fashionable again. But still, plenty of people see them as silly/childish, especially the ones with brighter colours and patterns. People also often associate them with the LGBTQIA+ community, at least where I live, which works for me, being asexual and non-binary. They feel androgynous and non-sexual, so they are comfortable in that way, as well as physically comfortable.
And it's not specific to Facebook that people's daughters find their bright/young-seeming clothing silly/embarrassing - that's just an example of where I see these conversations, as I do use Facebook!
A garment I hate with an perfect hatred. I had one when I was about 8 which I would stamp on as I dragged it downstairs so that it would wear out sooner. I think because it was often put on over a woollie - my mother having the usual fear about not being Warm Enough. This also led to knitted vests which I also hated.
My preference in clothing has always been for the loose and flowing - I fell on smocks and kaftans when they came in in the sixties, and have never really left off.
Aertex was the brand - the material is now called pique.
Same. It's weird how the word just popped into my head when I was thinking of what I wore for PE lessons. I even googled to make sure I was remembering correctly. It was a brand, but was also used generically for the type of fabric. I've never heard the term 'pique' for fabric - I think these days I would say polo shirt.
We also wore plimsolls, and I don't really hear that word any more - I would say 'canvas shoes' these days. And @Firenze 's mention of 'woollies' made me realise I hadn't heard that word for years either.