There is only one other president that has had lower ratings at this time in his administration. That was Trump himself.
Source, please? Including the actual numbers you’re looking at? Because the current numbers for Trump and the historical data I’m looking at don’t bear your claim out.
I've seen reports that only 3% of those surveyed are happy with the information so far revealed. That's a jaw-dropping number in public polling.
3% is a "would you eat shit for breakfast?" level response.
I was skeptical of those numbers when I first saw them, and still am. I think the factor of raw partisanship would dictate that the number of respondents agreeing with a president on any issue would be at least about 15%.
Granted, this issue has pissed off his base more than others do, but still.
Almost no one is content with the amount the government has shared: Just 3% of Americans say they are satisfied with it. A sizable chunk of the public either says it doesn’t matter to them either way (29%) or that they haven’t heard enough about the case to say (17%).
There is only one other president that has had lower ratings at this time in his administration. That was Trump himself.
Source, please? Including the actual numbers you’re looking at? Because the current numbers for Trump and the historical data I’m looking at don’t bear your claim out.
The Wall Street Journal has published an article about Trump sending a bawdy letter to Epstein on his 50th birthday. Sorry about the Paywall. Secondary source here.
Trump's reaction. Not my words. I don't draw naked women. I am going to sue.
The alleged letter to Epstein was not published directly, just a report of the letter. Of note, Trump is not demanding the letter be published. Why not?
There is only one other president that has had lower ratings at this time in his administration. That was Trump himself.
Source, please? Including the actual numbers you’re looking at? Because the current numbers for Trump and the historical data I’m looking at don’t bear your claim out.
The only president with approval below Trump’s at this point in his presidency was Trump himself during his first term, at 38%. Bill Clinton’s approval rating in June 1993 was also close, at just 41%.
Notably, Real Clear Polling/Real Clear Politics doesn’t specifically say where it got that 41% number for Bill Clinton, but elsewhere in the article, they frequently refer to Gallup, noting that “[t]he longest-running presidential polling firm in the United States is Gallup, which has conducted polls since the 1940 presidential election and consistent approval rating polls since Harry Truman.” (They also refer at least once to an Economist/YouGov poll, but YouGov hadn’t yet been founded in 1993.)
However, Gallup says Bill Clinton’s approval rating in June, 1993, was 37%, not 41% as reported by RCP. That’s one percentage point lower than Trump’s 38% in his first term, and his 40% in June of this year. I’m going to go with what Gallup itself says it’s polling found, rather than relying on what RCP reports.
Whelp, Mr. T is suing The Wall Street Journal et al, for $20 billion. I wonder who is going to blink first. Hope they are able to depose the man. I would love to know the relationship between T and E.
Whelp, Mr. T is suing The Wall Street Journal et al, for $20 billion. I wonder who is going to blink first. Hope they are able to depose the man. I would love to know the relationship between T and E.
There might be a good chance of deposing him. From the news over this side it seems that MAGA are not happy with the Trump’s connections to Epstein.
I watched Legal Eagle talking about it. I suggest people invest in popcorn. This could get interesting
Churches and immigrant rights groups have been organising food delivery for people in hiding. They have also been training people to protect immigrants out on the streets using apps, text chains and social media to alert people when federal agents are nearby.
When dozens of armed agents in camouflage descended on MacArthur Park on horseback and in armoured vehicles earlier this month, few were surprised.
Word had spread quickly of the operation – and rumours had swirled that "la migra" was coming hours before the troops arrived. Dozens of protesters swarmed to greet the troops – including LA Mayor Karen Bass, who demanded they leave the park.
Witnesses say no arrests were made and no one was seen running to escape. By the time troops arrived – with professional-looking camera crews recording the overt show of force – the only people in the park were protesters, some kids at a summer camp, and some homeless people asleep in the grass.
"It's been gut wrenching," says Betsy Bolte, who lives near the park and had showed up to protest and yell obscenities at the agents.
"It's war against the people – the heart and soul of the economy. And it's all intentional. It's part of the plan," she said, crying while showing reporters her footage.
BBC news website.
What kind of people are willing to do this terrible work?
Churches and immigrant rights groups have been organising food delivery for people in hiding. They have also been training people to protect immigrants out on the streets using apps, text chains and social media to alert people when federal agents are nearby.
When dozens of armed agents in camouflage descended on MacArthur Park on horseback and in armoured vehicles earlier this month, few were surprised.
Word had spread quickly of the operation – and rumours had swirled that "la migra" was coming hours before the troops arrived. Dozens of protesters swarmed to greet the troops – including LA Mayor Karen Bass, who demanded they leave the park.
Witnesses say no arrests were made and no one was seen running to escape. By the time troops arrived – with professional-looking camera crews recording the overt show of force – the only people in the park were protesters, some kids at a summer camp, and some homeless people asleep in the grass.
"It's been gut wrenching," says Betsy Bolte, who lives near the park and had showed up to protest and yell obscenities at the agents.
"It's war against the people – the heart and soul of the economy. And it's all intentional. It's part of the plan," she said, crying while showing reporters her footage.
BBC news website.
What kind of people are willing to do this terrible work?
The US need not look to pre-WW2 Germany for a model of racist terror. We have our own, and in fact Nazi Germany looked to the US in the 30s for models of race laws. We had the multifarious horrors of Jim Crow, which persisted into the 1960s, and getting stopped for "driving while Black" is still a thing, as is "driving while brown" and other forms of racial profiling. We had the Chinese Exclusion Act in 1882, which prohibited the immigration from China and barred Chinese people already in the US from becoming citizens. We put Japanese immigrants and Japanese American citizens in concentration camps during WW2. We had mass deportation of Mexican immigrants in the 1930s and early 1950s, which swept up US citizens as well. And this is by no means a comprehensive list.
What kind of people are willing to do this terrible work?
Homo sum: humani nihil a me alienum puto. (I am human, I consider nothing human alien to me.) -- Terence
I think it's really important that we not look at ICE agents as people we can't understand. They most likely went into federal law enforcement because the pay and benefits are decent, the work can be interesting for the right kind of person, and they believe in law and order (as do many others). No doubt some of them are terrible people; terrible people are found in all walks of life. But I'm glad there are people willing to investigate human trafficking and drug cartels. People doing border patrol work are enforcing US laws, laws that plenty of Americans believe in.
And now they're ordered to do some truly awful things. Not all of them are okay with this; morale is reportedly "in the crapper" (free link to The Atlantic article):
Officers and agents have spent much of the past five months clocking weekends and waking up at 4 a.m. for predawn raids. Their top leaders have been ousted or demoted, and their supervisors—themselves under threat of being fired—are pressuring them to make more and more arrests to meet quotas set by the Trump adviser Stephen Miller. Having insisted for years that capturing criminals is its priority, ICE is now shelving major criminal investigations to prioritize civil immigration arrests, grabbing asylum seekers at their courthouse hearings, handcuffing mothers as their U.S.-citizen children cry, chasing day laborers through Home Depot parking lots. As angry onlookers attempt to shame ICE officers with obscenities, and activists try to dox them, officers are retreating further behind masks and tactical gear.
“It’s miserable,” one career ICE official told me. He called the job “mission impossible.”
...
At ICE’s Homeland Security Investigations division, which has long focused on cartels and major drug-trafficking operations, supervisors have waved agents off new cases so they have more time to make immigration-enforcement arrests, a veteran agent told me. “No drug cases, no human trafficking, no child exploitation,” the agent said. “It’s infuriating.” The longtime ICE employee is thinking about quitting rather than having to continue “arresting gardeners.”
...
“Morale is in the crapper,” another former investigative agent told me. “Even those that are gung ho about the mission aren’t happy with how they are asking to execute it—the quotas and the shift to the low-hanging fruit to make the numbers.”
I saw one video (I forget where now) where the reporter was saying that some of the ICE people were doing it to have their student loans forgiven.
From the same article:
Several career officials have been pushed out of leadership roles. Other employees have decided to quit. Adam Boyd, a 33-year-old attorney who resigned from ICE’s legal department last month, told me he left because the mission was no longer about protecting the homeland from threats. “It became a contest of how many deportations could be reported to Stephen Miller by December,” Boyd said. He told me that he saw frustration among ICE attorneys whose cases were dismissed just so officer teams could grab their clients in the hallways for fast-track deportations that pad the stats. ... Some ICE attorneys “are only waiting until their student loans are forgiven, and then they’re leaving,” he said.
So you've got a federal government job you like with good pay and benefits, and then it gets bad -- how bad does it have to get before you quit? Maybe you hope this won't go on much longer. If you do quit, how do you earn money and provide for your family? Another law enforcement job that will mean you witness trauma day after day after day, will jeopardize your marriage, and will massively increase your chances of committing suicide?
So you've got a federal government job you like with good pay and benefits, and then it gets bad -- how bad does it have to get before you quit? Maybe you hope this won't go on much longer. If you do quit, how do you earn money and provide for your family?
I can imagine some of the guards at the German concentration camps back in the 30s and 40s had similar thoughts.
I could wish I was the kind of person who owns a bunch of companies with job openings. I'd be so tempted to show up to the site of an ICE raid with signs reading "Hate your ICE job? We're hiring!" and see how many of them we could tempt away.
So you've got a federal government job you like with good pay and benefits, and then it gets bad -- how bad does it have to get before you quit? Maybe you hope this won't go on much longer. If you do quit, how do you earn money and provide for your family?
I can imagine some of the guards at the German concentration camps back in the 30s and 40s had similar thoughts.
So you've got a federal government job you like with good pay and benefits, and then it gets bad -- how bad does it have to get before you quit? Maybe you hope this won't go on much longer. If you do quit, how do you earn money and provide for your family?
I can imagine some of the guards at the German concentration camps back in the 30s and 40s had similar thoughts.
Why?
A common defense among those who were tried for crimes against humanity in the Nuremberg Trials as well as other trials was they were just following orders. The courts have never accepted that defense, though they do concede it might be a mitigating factor.
The Nuremberg principle states:
The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him.
So, just because an ICE agent cannot afford to quit his job for fear of not being able to feed his family, does not absolve him or her of following established law.
So you'd be willing to be homeless and hungry for your morals? How long? Judge these people all you want - it won't change the situation or help the people being swept up in ICE raids.
So you'd be willing to be homeless and hungry for your morals? How long? Judge these people all you want - it won't change the situation or help the people being swept up in ICE raids.
That is not the point being made. The law is the law they are breaking it. If we don’t judge them that for doing what they are told then that is genuinely great and showing forgiveness, but it doesn’t change the facts. If when this is over the relations of those affected take them to court, they could still be found guilty.
So you'd be willing to be homeless and hungry for your morals? How long? Judge these people all you want - it won't change the situation or help the people being swept up in ICE raids.
That is not the point being made. The law is the law they are breaking it. If we don’t judge them that for doing what they are told then that is genuinely great and showing forgiveness, but it doesn’t change the facts. If when this is over the relations of those affected take them to court, they could still be found guilty.
Liable, not guilty. “Guilty” is for criminal cases, which can only be brought by the government or perhaps an entity like the International Criminal Court. Cases brought by individuals would be civil, not criminal, proceedings.
As for whether they might still be found liable, I wouldn’t hold my breath. In any event, I think defendants in civil cases would more likely be decision-makers and those in charge, or the government itself, not individual ICE agents, if for no other reason that individual ICE agents typically don’t have particularly deep pockets. And that’s without getting into whether “relations of those affected” would have standing to sue at all.
Latest clever move under trump's big ugly bill of mass destruction is an annual tariff on non-US citizen travellers, idiotically called a 'visa integrity fee'. I grudgingly, but necessarily paid the existing US$185 visa fee earlier this year for the privilege of being able to visit my own family, but apparently must now add US$250 to that, as well as $24 (up from $6) for the I94 that I must renew every 6 months.
Latest clever move under trump's big ugly bill of mass destruction is an annual tariff on non-US citizen travellers, idiotically called a 'visa integrity fee'. I grudgingly, but necessarily paid the existing US$185 visa fee earlier this year for the privilege of being able to visit my own family, but apparently must now add US$250 to that, as well as $24 (up from $6) for the I94 that I must renew every 6 months.
So you'd be willing to be homeless and hungry for your morals? How long? Judge these people all you want - it won't change the situation or help the people being swept up in ICE raids.
1. Trained, certified law enforcement agents currently working in ICE can easily find employment in other law enforcement agencies.
2. If there is a shortage of ICE agents in the field, less people will be swept up in those raids.
IMHO nobody can easily find employment right now, with laid off/fired federal workers flooding the market--not to mention all the social work and educational agencies that have lost their federal funding and are letting people go as a result.
Law enforcement experience is readily sought after in a number of fields, including police, the courts, private investigations, security agencies. The overall unemployment rate is still historically low. I would not be worried about them.
OK I understand. I still think the original comparison still stands up as the things the Nazis did was also legal but they were still found guilty. It is a moral maze isn’t it? Legal and moral are often at odds and what was immoral can become illegal. We are moving into a philosophical tangent here. Back to Trump.
OK I understand. I still think the original comparison still stands up as the things the Nazis did was also legal but they were still found guilty. It is a moral maze isn’t it? Legal and moral are often at odds and what was immoral can become illegal.
Not exactly. In the case of the Nuremberg trials, it was a question of legal under the Nazi regime vs. illegal under international law: crimes against peace, crimes against humanity and war crimes. Some of the crimes that were the subjects of the Nuremberg trials were well-established under international law while others were not. It seems to me the relevant point when attempting to draw a comparison between Nazis following orders and possible legal action against ICE agents was that prosecution of Nazis was done by an international tribunal applying principles of international law.
@Ruth, I don’t know that I can correct you (assuming any correction is needed). I’m not specifically aware of anything ICE agents are doing that violates the immigration laws they enforce, unless perhaps not providing proper processes does. The more interesting question might be whether current ICE practices violate other laws, such as civil rights laws. But as @mousethief notes, enforcement of those others laws also falls under the U.S. Dept. of Justice, so . . . .
Thank you to Ruth for the book recommendation of Illiberal America by Steven Hahn. I was going to post that on the tangent thread about popular academic books but I can't find it so hope you don't mind it here.
Yikes, I think I missed this however many pages ago - you're very welcome.
There's some incredibly eye-opening stuff in it - I've nearly finished it. The section (p.237) where the Nazis found some American contemporary race policies too harsh and rigid is the one that's got the biggest exclamation mark next to it. I'm presuming that the very end will offer more illumination on the rise of Mr Trump but I'm only at the 1960s.
And, now, the commander in chief is demanding the Washington Commanders, the American football NFL team, change its name back to the Redskins. Had long been called the Redskins, but I think it was during the Obama administration the name was changed to Commanders. Part of the woke wave in the CinC's aged eyes.
And, now, the commander in chief is demanding the Washington Commanders, the American football NFL team, change its name back to the Redskins. Had long been called the Redskins, but I think it was during the Obama administration the name was changed to Commanders. Part of the woke wave in the CinC's aged eyes.
I think it is more to do with any Obama achievement than anything "woke". trump has hated Obama ever since the accurate and well-deserved roasting he got at the press banquet many years ago.
He also wants the Cleveland Guardians to change back to the Indians. (Nevermind that the Cleveland franchise was known as the Blues, Napoleons and Naps before they were called the Indians...)
However, I think it is safe to categorize this as Trump's ongoing attempt to say something new and outrageous to try to get the discussion away from Epstein. See also his fantasies of seeing Obama in prison. The man knows how to use distractions.
So you'd be willing to be homeless and hungry for your morals? How long? Judge these people all you want - it won't change the situation or help the people being swept up in ICE raids.
I think there's a clear moral distinction between someone who got an ICE job some time ago, and finds themselves in a position where they are unable to quit, because they've got families and bills and need the money vs someone who decides now that the job they want to go out and apply for is being a masked thug grabbing random people off the street.
That sympathy evaporates, however, for an ICE agent using dehumanizing language about the people they're collecting. If it helps an ICE agent to sleep at night to pretend that the people they're grabbing off the streets are subhuman criminals, I don't care. Those people are people, and I'm not going to support an ICE agent pretending that they aren't, just so they can feel less crappy about their job.
He also wants the Cleveland Guardians to change back to the Indians. (Nevermind that the Cleveland franchise was known as the Blues, Napoleons and Naps before they were called the Indians...)
However, I think it is safe to categorize this as Trump's ongoing attempt to say something new and outrageous to try to get the discussion away from Epstein. See also his fantasies of seeing Obama in prison. The man knows how to use distractions.
The response from the general manager of the Guardians was priceless. "We are looking to the future."
And, now, the commander in chief is demanding the Washington Commanders, the American football NFL team, change its name back to the Redskins. Had long been called the Redskins, but I think it was during the Obama administration the name was changed to Commanders. Part of the woke wave in the CinC's aged eyes.
I think it is more to do with any Obama achievement than anything "woke". trump has hated Obama ever since the accurate and well-deserved roasting he got at the press banquet many years ago.
It has nothing to do with Obama.
The Redskins name was retired in July 2020, during the first Trump administration, after many years of criticism and eventually pressure from investors, advertisers and businesses the sell NFL-licensed merchandise. The Commanders name was adopted 2022. (In the two intervening seasons, they played as simply the Washington Football Team.)
The team was originally based in Boston and was called the Boston Braves, but within a few years was renamed and then moved to Washington. The team that is now the Atlanta Braves was also originally based in Boston, and it is assumed that the names of both the baseball and football teams were, at least in part, a reference to the Boston Tea Party, the participants in which disguised themselves as Native Americans.
As @Hedgehog says, Trump has similarly said the Major League Baseball’s Cleveland Guardians, until 2021 the Cleveland Indians, should go back to their (most recent) old name.
The most eye-roll-inducing part of this particular tirade is Trump’s claim that “our great Indian people, in massive numbers, want this to happen.”
Again, as @Hedgehog says, anything to change the subject from Jeffrey Epstein. That’s what this is about—it’s nothing more than a shiny distraction.
The section (p.237) where the Nazis found some American contemporary race policies too harsh and rigid is the one that's got the biggest exclamation mark next to it.
Based on informal on-line discussion backed up by original documents, my understanding of the nazi attitude toward US race policies is...
The nazis thought that American race policy wasn't rigid enough, in that there was no centralized authority enforcing separation of races across the country, which led to inconsistent segregation, and thus the white citizenry resorted to local, ad hoc, and ultimately violent solutions like lynching. Whereas if the Americans had adopted something like the Nuremberg Laws, there would have been no racial mixing in the first place, thus leading to more peace and tranquility for everyone.
This view accounts for the rather confusing(to a contemporary viewer) anti-American nazi poster known as LIBERATORS, which appears to condemn lynching and racial mixing at the same time.
The Trump administration released all the federal files dealing with Martin Luther King Jr, even though the family had requested to review the files first.
Looks like an attempt to detract from the MAGA demands to release the Epstein files.
Also resurrected the old names of sports teams, and threatening to interfere with the construction of one team's new stadium,
And the firing of Colbert.
Anything to get the MaGa people to look away from Epstein.
I wonder why?
And now, there is a move in the Republican controlled House to go on an extended vacation for six weeks to avoid releasing the Epstein files.
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3% is a "would you eat shit for breakfast?" level response.
I was skeptical of those numbers when I first saw them, and still am. I think the factor of raw partisanship would dictate that the number of respondents agreeing with a president on any issue would be at least about 15%.
Granted, this issue has pissed off his base more than others do, but still.
Americans are broadly dissatisfied with how much Epstein info the government has released, CNN poll finds
https://www.realclearpolling.com/stories/analysis/how-trumps-approval-stacks-up-against-past-presidents
Trump's reaction. Not my words. I don't draw naked women. I am going to sue.
The alleged letter to Epstein was not published directly, just a report of the letter. Of note, Trump is not demanding the letter be published. Why not?
However, Gallup says Bill Clinton’s approval rating in June, 1993, was 37%, not 41% as reported by RCP. That’s one percentage point lower than Trump’s 38% in his first term, and his 40% in June of this year. I’m going to go with what Gallup itself says it’s polling found, rather than relying on what RCP reports.
Anything that incriminates Democrats or other enemies without incriminating him or his allies, I would have thought,
Pretty much
There might be a good chance of deposing him. From the news over this side it seems that MAGA are not happy with the Trump’s connections to Epstein.
I watched Legal Eagle talking about it. I suggest people invest in popcorn. This could get interesting
You took the words out of my mouth.
As has been noted elsewhere on our esteemed forum, let's hope for MAD - mutually assured destruction!
People being arrested for being Hispanic.
BBC news website.
What kind of people are willing to do this terrible work?
People who wear masks.
The US need not look to pre-WW2 Germany for a model of racist terror. We have our own, and in fact Nazi Germany looked to the US in the 30s for models of race laws. We had the multifarious horrors of Jim Crow, which persisted into the 1960s, and getting stopped for "driving while Black" is still a thing, as is "driving while brown" and other forms of racial profiling. We had the Chinese Exclusion Act in 1882, which prohibited the immigration from China and barred Chinese people already in the US from becoming citizens. We put Japanese immigrants and Japanese American citizens in concentration camps during WW2. We had mass deportation of Mexican immigrants in the 1930s and early 1950s, which swept up US citizens as well. And this is by no means a comprehensive list.
Homo sum: humani nihil a me alienum puto. (I am human, I consider nothing human alien to me.) -- Terence
I think it's really important that we not look at ICE agents as people we can't understand. They most likely went into federal law enforcement because the pay and benefits are decent, the work can be interesting for the right kind of person, and they believe in law and order (as do many others). No doubt some of them are terrible people; terrible people are found in all walks of life. But I'm glad there are people willing to investigate human trafficking and drug cartels. People doing border patrol work are enforcing US laws, laws that plenty of Americans believe in.
And now they're ordered to do some truly awful things. Not all of them are okay with this; morale is reportedly "in the crapper" (free link to The Atlantic article):
From the same article:
So you've got a federal government job you like with good pay and benefits, and then it gets bad -- how bad does it have to get before you quit? Maybe you hope this won't go on much longer. If you do quit, how do you earn money and provide for your family? Another law enforcement job that will mean you witness trauma day after day after day, will jeopardize your marriage, and will massively increase your chances of committing suicide?
I can imagine some of the guards at the German concentration camps back in the 30s and 40s had similar thoughts.
Why?
A common defense among those who were tried for crimes against humanity in the Nuremberg Trials as well as other trials was they were just following orders. The courts have never accepted that defense, though they do concede it might be a mitigating factor.
The Nuremberg principle states:
So, just because an ICE agent cannot afford to quit his job for fear of not being able to feed his family, does not absolve him or her of following established law.
For a good discussion on this, go to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_orders
That is not the point being made. The law is the law they are breaking it. If we don’t judge them that for doing what they are told then that is genuinely great and showing forgiveness, but it doesn’t change the facts. If when this is over the relations of those affected take them to court, they could still be found guilty.
As for whether they might still be found liable, I wouldn’t hold my breath. In any event, I think defendants in civil cases would more likely be decision-makers and those in charge, or the government itself, not individual ICE agents, if for no other reason that individual ICE agents typically don’t have particularly deep pockets. And that’s without getting into whether “relations of those affected” would have standing to sue at all.
Makes you want to stay home, doesn't it?
1. Trained, certified law enforcement agents currently working in ICE can easily find employment in other law enforcement agencies.
2. If there is a shortage of ICE agents in the field, less people will be swept up in those raids.
@Nick Tamen can correct me, but I don't think ICE agents are generally breaking US law. No doubt there are a few individual cases where they are, but one major reason they haven't been stopped is that what they're doing is in general legal. There's a good discussion of the huge leeway afforded to them here:
https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/5364547-what-ice-agents-are-doing-is-outrageous-and-legal/
One other reason they haven't been stopped is, who is going to stop them? Anyone with the authority is under Trump.
OK I understand. I still think the original comparison still stands up as the things the Nazis did was also legal but they were still found guilty. It is a moral maze isn’t it? Legal and moral are often at odds and what was immoral can become illegal. We are moving into a philosophical tangent here. Back to Trump.
@Ruth, I don’t know that I can correct you (assuming any correction is needed). I’m not specifically aware of anything ICE agents are doing that violates the immigration laws they enforce, unless perhaps not providing proper processes does. The more interesting question might be whether current ICE practices violate other laws, such as civil rights laws. But as @mousethief notes, enforcement of those others laws also falls under the U.S. Dept. of Justice, so . . . .
There's some incredibly eye-opening stuff in it - I've nearly finished it. The section (p.237) where the Nazis found some American contemporary race policies too harsh and rigid is the one that's got the biggest exclamation mark next to it. I'm presuming that the very end will offer more illumination on the rise of Mr Trump but I'm only at the 1960s.
I think it is more to do with any Obama achievement than anything "woke". trump has hated Obama ever since the accurate and well-deserved roasting he got at the press banquet many years ago.
However, I think it is safe to categorize this as Trump's ongoing attempt to say something new and outrageous to try to get the discussion away from Epstein. See also his fantasies of seeing Obama in prison. The man knows how to use distractions.
I think there's a clear moral distinction between someone who got an ICE job some time ago, and finds themselves in a position where they are unable to quit, because they've got families and bills and need the money vs someone who decides now that the job they want to go out and apply for is being a masked thug grabbing random people off the street.
That sympathy evaporates, however, for an ICE agent using dehumanizing language about the people they're collecting. If it helps an ICE agent to sleep at night to pretend that the people they're grabbing off the streets are subhuman criminals, I don't care. Those people are people, and I'm not going to support an ICE agent pretending that they aren't, just so they can feel less crappy about their job.
The response from the general manager of the Guardians was priceless. "We are looking to the future."
And so it goes.
The Redskins name was retired in July 2020, during the first Trump administration, after many years of criticism and eventually pressure from investors, advertisers and businesses the sell NFL-licensed merchandise. The Commanders name was adopted 2022. (In the two intervening seasons, they played as simply the Washington Football Team.)
The team was originally based in Boston and was called the Boston Braves, but within a few years was renamed and then moved to Washington. The team that is now the Atlanta Braves was also originally based in Boston, and it is assumed that the names of both the baseball and football teams were, at least in part, a reference to the Boston Tea Party, the participants in which disguised themselves as Native Americans.
As @Hedgehog says, Trump has similarly said the Major League Baseball’s Cleveland Guardians, until 2021 the Cleveland Indians, should go back to their (most recent) old name.
The most eye-roll-inducing part of this particular tirade is Trump’s claim that “our great Indian people, in massive numbers, want this to happen.”
Again, as @Hedgehog says, anything to change the subject from Jeffrey Epstein. That’s what this is about—it’s nothing more than a shiny distraction.
Based on informal on-line discussion backed up by original documents, my understanding of the nazi attitude toward US race policies is...
The nazis thought that American race policy wasn't rigid enough, in that there was no centralized authority enforcing separation of races across the country, which led to inconsistent segregation, and thus the white citizenry resorted to local, ad hoc, and ultimately violent solutions like lynching. Whereas if the Americans had adopted something like the Nuremberg Laws, there would have been no racial mixing in the first place, thus leading to more peace and tranquility for everyone.
This view accounts for the rather confusing(to a contemporary viewer) anti-American nazi poster known as LIBERATORS, which appears to condemn lynching and racial mixing at the same time.
Looks like an attempt to detract from the MAGA demands to release the Epstein files.
Also resurrected the old names of sports teams, and threatening to interfere with the construction of one team's new stadium,
And the firing of Colbert.
Anything to get the MaGa people to look away from Epstein.
I wonder why?
And now, there is a move in the Republican controlled House to go on an extended vacation for six weeks to avoid releasing the Epstein files.
Oh, Trump has gone strangely silent today.
I am waiting for an American Indian / Native to come forth and say, "No we don't." Absent that, maybe they do?
Indeed
If he's as innocent as he says then why the huge distractions?
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