Why did I say I'd do it?

BoogieBoogie Heaven Host
I volunteer too easily.

Often I'm not even asked - I just volunteer!

Recently it was to design a leaflet for a special event in town by the historical society. All is done now and they are pleased with it. But why did I say I could do it - they didn't even know it was in my skill set.

I'm relieved now, they've been printed and distributed.

But why did I put myself through the stress?

Anyone else volunteer too easily then ask 'why'?

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  • SarasaSarasa All Saints Host
    I have to sit on my hands a lot at present. I know church would like people to volunteer for various things as would the Ramblers. Both are things I'd be happy to do, but council stuff takes up a lot of time, and next year will be manic as I take on another role there and we have celebrations for the 400th anniversary of our town having a Mayor and the 250th anniversary of our lovely Town Hall being built.
    I always think its because I was the sort of child that nobody picked for anything, and I'm trying to make up for it.
    I'm glad your leaflet was appreciated @Boogie
  • BoogieBoogie Heaven Host
    edited October 28
    Thank you @Sarasa - yes, I'm sure it begins in childhood.

    I'm trying to sit on my hands. Still do nice things for folk, which I genuinely enjoy, but more as a surprise than things I had to do because I volunteered.

    I've made parkin for break time at the hedgehog sanctuary on Friday. That pleases me without the stress!
  • I've just contacted someone about a job because they'd been put in touch by a contact of a contact. I'd have sucked like a high-class courtesan with a Dyson at it, utterly not me at all, but I felt I had to go through with it as other people had tried to help. Now I feel lower than a snake's scrotum for turning it down. Why do I do this to myself?
  • Gill HGill H Shipmate
    How many of you (OK, of us) are clergy kids?

    The label of ‘nearest available sucker’ can be attached early in life…
  • Gill H wrote: »
    How many of you (OK, of us) are clergy kids?

    The label of ‘nearest available sucker’ can be attached early in life…

    Not me. No clergy anywhere near the family.
  • BoogieBoogie Heaven Host
    Gill H wrote: »
    How many of you (OK, of us) are clergy kids?

    The label of ‘nearest available sucker’ can be attached early in life…

    I am a ministers daughter. Yep - many jobs done by family, especially me and my grandma!
  • I have a different angle on the question. Why did I say I wanted to do that? I signed up for a senior bus trip to a local Farmer's Market. I had been there before and liked it because there was a lot of seating throughout the market where I could stop and rest. I have just found out that this trip will also include time to watch a parade in town. I am sure there will be no seating available for that, and also, it is longer than I want to be out. So I will call today and cancel. This is the second time all the information about what we would be signing up for was not given. The last time, I did not know about the extra activity until I was there. I shall tell them how grateful I am for these senior bus trips, but also my disfaction with now being given all the information. I assume they print the mailing and add other stuff later.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Gill H wrote: »
    How many of you (OK, of us) are clergy kids?

    The label of ‘nearest available sucker’ can be attached early in life…

    I did draw the line at being asked to come and lead singing of GSTQ for the Queen's diamond jubilee celebration.

    And yes, vicarage kid.
  • Gill H wrote: »
    How many of you (OK, of us) are clergy kids?

    The label of ‘nearest available sucker’ can be attached early in life…

    I did draw the line at being asked to come and lead singing of GSTQ for the Queen's diamond jubilee celebration.

    And yes, vicarage kid.

    You didn't fancy channeling Johnny Rotten then?
  • NenyaNenya All Saints Host, Ecclesiantics & MW Host
    Yes, there have been times when I've agreed to do something and regretted it, or said I wanted to do something and then changed my mind. But, actually, not that often. My default now when asked about something tends to be "no", usually couched in responses like, "That doesn't work for me," "Let me have a think and get back to you" or "I'll check the diary" - and I keep a paper diary and it lives on my desk at home, not in my bag.

    I've perfected this art over the years, partly because I have limited capacity in what I'm able to do and partly because I am married to someone immensely competent who does lots of things, and does them very well, but overcommits. I have several friends that I have to keep reminding that "'No' is a complete sentence" and "Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should."

    And no, not a clergy child.
  • HeavenlyannieHeavenlyannie Shipmate
    edited October 28
    When I was diagnosed with manic depression in the mid-90s I was on multiple rotas at church and it was clearly a symptom of my mania. So part of my management of my mental health was learning to say a firm ‘no’, and I am quite the expert at it now, even at work.
    And I was not a clergy child; I didn’t even have a Christian family or upbringing.
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    Over the past couple of years, I have gradually bowed out of a number of things due health issues and age. I used to enjoy going to the local church camp and participate in some light construction projects, but my back will not allow that anymore. I served on the congregational evangelism committee for a number of use, designing the first webpage, granted it was rudimentary, starting a Facebook ministry and offering a number of ideas that have been incorporated in the life of the congregation. But I cannot keep up with the changes in social media, and we have so many new, young people in the congregation. I just felt it was time to pass the torch. I miss doing these things, but I just felt it was time to ease away.
  • CaissaCaissa Shipmate
    I only volunteer for activities now when I know I will not regret it later. I have also gotten better over time at saying "no" to tasks at work that do not follow into my portfolios.
  • Tree BeeTree Bee Shipmate
    I was very busy at the Anglican Church I left about 20 years ago. Looking back I did too much though I was happy at the time. When everything imploded there and I found a spiritual home at Quakers I have deliberately not become too involved. I sometimes feel a little guilty but the roles I have are those I’m happy to fulfill.
    My father was a lay reader with a strong sense of duty which must have influenced me.
  • Gill H wrote: »
    How many of you (OK, of us) are clergy kids?

    The label of ‘nearest available sucker’ can be attached early in life…

    LKKspouse is a clergy kid, has left religion, but keeps volunteering for things. Like her childhood, our house often has people in need staying. Our latest, a house fire victim, has just left.
    Parental home influence probably was a key driver in her becoming a social worker.
  • I've just hopped onto the ship today, after a phone call with a friend of long standing. We had been talking about a variation of this, not that we volunteered for stuff but that others asked us to do stuff (and expected the answer to be yes). In years past I would have complied, but have now decided unless it's something I feel passionately about, I no longer agree.

    I think it's fine to volunteer if it is a event or a cause one feels passionate about (after a couple of burns) I am mindful of whether it is my skillset or something I want to learn, If those boxes are ticked then I'll put up my hand to volunteer before being asked, or say I'll think about it (with an agreed report back time/date), otherwise no and I refuse to be guilted about things any more.

    I think it's important to factor in whether it's a one off or a job for life (as can sometimes happen).

    My Mum was a great volunteer and it gave her much joy and meaning in her life. I think that's the real yardstick. Doing things with joy!
  • I have spent over 60 years in voluntary positions, starting in the first year of secondary school, but have gradually reduced my commitments. Even before the health dramas of this year, I had given notice to the parish that at next year's AGM I would be stepping back. Since then I have resigned from two other board positions. After so many years of saying 'Yes', I'm now moving towards a firm 'No'.
  • NenyaNenya All Saints Host, Ecclesiantics & MW Host
    edited October 29
    Thinking again about the OP, I do still need to watch myself when something comes to my attention that needs doing and that I know I could do well and enjoy doing. For example, I do love reading documents and correcting spellings and punctuation and suggesting better ways of expressing things, and have helped Nenlet2 quite a lot with that sort of thing. But past experience has shown that it can be a huge stress (I'm thinking of a time when I was asked to help with the editing of a magazine that a charity produced) so unless it was for the family, or a one-off that I felt I had capacity for, I wouldn't stick my head above the parapet about having that skill-set.

    I also have a huge aversion to rotas and have resolutely fended off going on any at all. I'll do things as one-offs, or for a season, but there's something about being regularly tied in to it that gets under my skin and not in a good way.

    While awake in the night I was also thinking about this thread (as you do :lol: ) and recognising that, to me, how I'm asked makes a difference to my reaction. I'm thinking of two occasions when I was coming up to finishing paid employment and people knew that. Someone in the church said, "Oh, when you've finished work you can help with X, can't you?" And a friend said, "So when you finish you come and work for me, is that right?" There was something about the assumption that I'd say "yes" to both of these requests that really annoyed me. So to the first I said, "I'll be giving myself a sabbatical so ask me again in six months" and to the second I just smiled and said nothing. (She did at a later date follow it up with a "So, would you come and work for me?" and I just said, "No.") I might have been a bit more amenable if it had been a case of, "I wonder if, when you finish work, you'd consider..."

    Or I might not.

    Nen - Resident Grumpy Old Woman
  • BoogieBoogie Heaven Host
    Not grumpy, assertive.

    🙂
  • What an excellent thread. I spent decades ploughing through my sense of obligation and guilt, of course, in the thick of it, you don't even realise you are feeling guilty. Well, I am much freer of it now, but it can still strike. Most of my family are dead, so that removes one source of guilt. There must be something else I ought to do surely? It's quite funny, I was in a meditation group for 20 years, and then realized it had become an ought. There is a school of thought, that we need an element of guilt, how horrible
  • MaryLouiseMaryLouise Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    edited October 29
    "Fun" is a word to which I am highly susceptible.

    "Oh Mary, do come and roll pancakes for the annual agricultural show, it will be such FUN. Easier than pounding yams for egusi soup, easier than crisping samoosas in boiling oil, easier than stirring a Cape Malay curry in a cast-iron pot for two hours without pause, easier than grilling braaibroodjies (toasted sandwiches) over coals. It wouldn't be the same without you! Fun, fun, fun!"

    Came home after seven hours in the 9th circle of the Inferno with fingertips scalding red and a new loathing for cinnamon mixed with rapidly caramelising sugar. Sunk in profound misanthropy, realised yet again how easily flattered I can be.
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    I think often people feel obligated to do something they do not really want to do because they feel the requester will lose some respect for them. On the other hand, it might be the opposite. To refuse to do something might be what needs to be done in order to keep one's self-respect. I came across this short piece from a conservative website that speaks to this.

    I had a friend who often declined to do something because he said he would be out of town. I finally realized his house was just 50 yards out of the city limits. He was always out of town.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    Nenya wrote: »
    ... I also have a huge aversion to rotas ...
    I can totally sympathise; I've just asked to be removed from the servers' rota at St Pete's (into which the vicar talked me - "you will say yes, won't you, Piglet?").

    It's partly because I don't feel that I'm very good at it: you feel so exposed sitting up at the front beside the altar where everyone can see if you bollocks something up*; and partly because I feel that I'm far more useful sitting with the choir, where I know I can make a decent contribution.

    I was really getting to the stage of dreading seeing my name on the list, and while I'm still happy to be considered a "spare" (emergencies only), I really don't want to have to do it every four or five weeks.

    * As St Pete's is such a tiny building, the people in the front row are no more than about six feet away from the server, so they can see everything.
  • I often get the impression that saying 'No' to volunteering for some task or other at church is The Sin Against The Holy Ghost™.
  • I often get the impression that saying 'No' to volunteering for some task or other at church is The Sin Against The Holy Ghost™.

    The sin of "Sod 'em!"?
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    I often get the impression that saying 'No' to volunteering for some task or other at church is The Sin Against The Holy Ghost™.

    If you are being told that, that is church abuse! In my denomination ministers always have the right to turn down a new call, and specifically it is often because they do not feel the Spirit is calling them to that ministry. If ministers can do this, lay people also have the right to turn down a request because the Spirit is not leading them there.
  • PuzzlerPuzzler Shipmate
    I have turned down any requests for help with refreshments, baking, cleaning at church, but being in the choir is a major commitment so I don’t feel guilty. I am occasionally on the reading rota, but I know I do this well and am happy to do it with no notice if need be. That is enough.

    I did voluntary work for a major organisation for many years. Post-Covid, we worked from home, but when Mr Puzzler became ill I paused and only resumed briefly, stopping completely when he died. I simply did not have the headspace for it. I then realised that technology and regulations were constantly changing and I decided not to restart. I eventually wrote an official email of resignation to the boss, who I had never actually met in person. I am sad to say that she did not reply. It would have been good to get official recognition of almost 15 years of commitment, two days a week.
  • Puzzler wrote: »

    I did voluntary work for a major organisation for many years. Post-Covid, we worked from home, but when Mr Puzzler became ill I paused and only resumed briefly, stopping completely when he died. I simply did not have the headspace for it. I then realised that technology and regulations were constantly changing and I decided not to restart. I eventually wrote an official email of resignation to the boss, who I had never actually met in person. I am sad to say that she did not reply. It would have been good to get official recognition of almost 15 years of commitment, two days a week.

    That is appalling! I'm lost for polite words.
  • Me too, but it happens. I was in a meeting earlier this week where the (overwrought, but probably not a very nice bloke) director of a place I volunteer at, let rip at quite a few other volunteers in their absence. I don't think I'll be going down there for a while until I can go back to pretending I don't have to deal with him, and concentrate on the many good relationships I enjoy there. I can understand why (perhaps especially now we can hide away as I currently am right now, and project para-social impulses into the ether(net)) folks say that community life tends to wither. People are welcome to each other, sometimes, and the internet does a good job of deluding me that I am less lonely than I might be.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    I often get the impression that saying 'No' to volunteering for some task or other at church is The Sin Against The Holy Ghost™.

    Not to mention making the Baby Jesus and His Blessed Mother cry.
  • NenyaNenya All Saints Host, Ecclesiantics & MW Host
    MaryLouise wrote: »
    "Fun" is a word to which I am highly susceptible.

    "Oh Mary, do come and roll pancakes for the annual agricultural show, it will be such FUN. Easier than pounding yams for egusi soup, easier than crisping samoosas in boiling oil, easier than stirring a Cape Malay curry in a cast-iron pot for two hours without pause, easier than grilling braaibroodjies (toasted sandwiches) over coals. It wouldn't be the same without you! Fun, fun, fun!"
    I'd be tempted to say, "So whose idea of fun are we talking about?" :wink:

    I am always shocked when I hear of organisations which don't appreciate their volunteers properly as I used to work for a charity which couldn't have done what it did without its volunteers. I think we were pretty good at acknowledging and thanking them but once or twice I did have to say to colleagues, "But these people are giving their time..."
  • I often get the impression that saying 'No' to volunteering for some task or other at church is The Sin Against The Holy Ghost™.

    Not to mention making the Baby Jesus and His Blessed Mother cry.

    Quite so. Is clearly Outrage!
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    Another affront to volunteers is soliciting them in a way that makes it feel like they're applying for a paid position. Of course some volunteer positions require qualifications and/or training, but don't address people in a way that implies they need you more than you need them.
  • Dead right. If someone's giving you their time, then in my view you can make suggestions as to how you'd like them to help, up to a 'no thank you' if you really don't want them to do something at all - and if they say 'OK, I've somewhere else to be' as a result, then that's how it goes. But (perhaps a bit like marriage) if they're doing something useful, even if it wasn't next on your own list, I think it's best to say 'thanks very much, that looks great' - and the more times you praise someone's work, the more chance you have of influencing them to change direction a bit when you really have to. It should be possible to do all this eye to eye with a smile on both faces, but somehow of late on my own patch it has got a bit nasty. Then again, I am really, really bad at dealing with conflict, and normal people might find it is quite unremarkable.
  • North East QuineNorth East Quine Purgatory Host
    This is entirely my own fault.

    When someone asks me to give a talk - in this case to a local history group - I should NOT offer to talk on whatever topic I fancy researching. Inevitably the date of the talk rolls round before I have done anything., and I find myself sitting at my computer on a beautiful Sunday afternoon, mainlining coffee and left-over Hallowe'en sweeties trying to throw something together.

    Next time I MUST offer up a talk I've already given to the WRI etc.
  • BoogieBoogie Heaven Host
    Very wise @North East Quine

    You clearly enjoy new subjects so maybe do them without the pressure? Or do you need a deadline? (I do)
  • North East QuineNorth East Quine Purgatory Host
    I do need a deadline, or I go off at tangents. But I have enough to do without attempting original research for a talk to a local history group.

  • Heheheh are we twins? I'm in this same boat right now for a presentation in November, and another one in February.
  • North East QuineNorth East Quine Purgatory Host
    My talk is tomorrow.
  • SarasaSarasa All Saints Host
    Hope it goes well @North East Quine . Can you give them a talk you've already done. We had a speaker recently who was going to talk on one topic, manage to lose all his notes so spoke on something entirely different instead. Nobody seemed to mind.
    This week I may (or maybe not) have to make two speeches. I'm putting off doing anything about it till I know one way or another.
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