November Book Discussion: The Unpleasantness at the Bellona Club

TrudyTrudy Shipmate, Host Emeritus
edited November 2 in Heaven
This month's book is the fourth novel in Dorothy L. Sayers' Lord Peter Wimsey series. Many of us here have read them and two books in this series have been the topics of previous book club discussions (Gaudy Night in 2021, and The Nine Tailors in 2016 on the old boards).

I chose The Unpleasantness at the Bellona Club as I think it is a good read for November; the central mystery unfolds around Armistice Day, in a year (the book was published in 1928, and is set a few years before that, though Sayers' chronology is vague) when the First World War was a very recent memory. Many of the characters, including Lord Peter, are veterans, and the after-effects of the war are central to the story in many ways.

Though it is fourth in a series, most of the earlier Lord Peter books can be read as stand-alones without needing any previous knowledge of the other books, as is usually the case with mystery series.

Whether you have read this before, or are coming to it entirely new, I hope people will read or re-read the book and join in discussion this month! As usual, I will post questions about the 20th of the month. Until then, keep any conversation in this thread spoiler-free, especially as to the solution of the mystery, for the benefit of anyone who hasn't read it before.

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  • I don't think it's too spoilery to observe that this juxtaposition on the shelves of Lidl always makes me smirk.

    https://flic.kr/p/2rD23wu

    FWIW, I think Bellona is the own-brand equivalent of a Kinder Bueno, but I've never bought them to find out.
  • TrudyTrudy Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    Not too spoilery at all! We don't have Bellona as a brand here, but after several decades' absence, Club bars have recently begun showing up on the shelves here again, in the "International Foods" section.
  • EigonEigon Shipmate
    I like this mystery a lot, so count me in.
  • NicoleMRNicoleMR Shipmate
    I just reread all the Wimseys last year so count me in too.
  • I re-read not too long ago as well and will try to take another look at it this month.
  • Me too, I think.
  • MiliMili Shipmate
    I am reading for the first time and looking forward to the discussion.
  • TrudyTrudy Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    Mili wrote: »
    I am reading for the first time and looking forward to the discussion.

    While I'm glad we have many re-readers of this series, like myself, I'm also excited to have people read the book for the first time! I'm so deeply immersed in the Lord Peter novel that I'm always interested to see how they will read to someone coming fresh to them. A few years ago, on my small bookish podcast, I celebrated the 100th anniversary of the first Lord Peter novel by discussing a couple of them along with people who hadn't read them before, to compare impressions. All this to say, very glad you are joining in the discussion, @Mili !
  • MiliMili Shipmate
    I have read Gaudy Nights for the book club and also Strong Poison - did we read that for book club too? So far I think this book is my favourite in the series though. I have read about a quarter already.
  • At the moment I am "working" (in the sense of having a defined place of employment, rather than actually doing anything useful to man or beast) next to the site of Shrewsbury College in Gaudy Night, and I was on the site doing archery yesterday.

    Pointless* aside over.

    *Pun fully intended.
  • SarasaSarasa All Saints Host
    I have a physical copy of this on my shelves so I'll try to re-read it ahead of the discussion.
  • CaissaCaissa Shipmate
    First read for me. Ms. C. was able to di out her copy for me.
  • Book extracted from shelf and awaiting reading. Not sure which of us will get it first...
  • SandemaniacSandemaniac Shipmate
    edited November 4
    Interestingly, I don't think I've ever read the book, despite its presence on our shelves. I have seen the Ian Carmichael adaptation (bought a box of DVDs during ye plague), but not the physical page. We may have to compare notes on the two.
  • TrudyTrudy Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    I’ve never seen any of the Carmichael LPW adaptations because I’ve been stuck for years on my silly prejudice that he doesn’t “look like Lord Peter” the way Edward Petherbrudge does, but I really need to get past that and watch them!
  • Trudy wrote: »
    I’ve never seen any of the Carmichael LPW adaptations because I’ve been stuck for years on my silly prejudice that he doesn’t “look like Lord Peter” the way Edward Petherbrudge does, but I really need to get past that and watch them!
    Interestingly Carmichael and Petherbridge would have been similar ages when they played Wimsey, just North of 50. Carmichael is very good in character, but a Lord Peter who was in the trenches a decade prior to the events of this book is going to be a good 10-15 years younger than either of them, assuming that The Unpleasantness is set, as published, in 1928. And, as you say, Petherbridge is a much better fit for Sayers' description of Wimsey.

    The Knotweed and I probably ought to watch Gaudy Night just to cackle at the geographical howlers as they move through Oxford...

  • The Knotweed and I probably ought to watch Gaudy Night just to cackle at the geographical howlers as they move through Oxford...

    It can't be much worse than Morse! (When I was a kid watching Morse, it was renowned for car journeys that jumped randomly about the city and were often on roads that were either no-through-roads or on the opposite side of town to where the dialogue had said they were. That, plus the chance of spotting someone you knew, was half the reason to watch!).
  • The Knotweed and I probably ought to watch Gaudy Night just to cackle at the geographical howlers as they move through Oxford...

    It can't be much worse than Morse! (When I was a kid watching Morse, it was renowned for car journeys that jumped randomly about the city and were often on roads that were either no-through-roads or on the opposite side of town to where the dialogue had said they were. That, plus the chance of spotting someone you knew, was half the reason to watch!).

    Lovejoy in my case, as I was in my 20s when I moved to Oxford, and Morse was mostly done, but same sort of thing - Lovejoy was filmed in my neck of the woods.
  • TrudyTrudy Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    I love that kind of thing when watching TV series filmed in my hometown. The cops chase the bad guy down a well-known street, turn a corner, and suddenly they're on a street on the other side of town, as if they'd driven through a wormhole.
  • It reminds me of my husband watching so-called Vietnam War movies, and spotting a zillion tiny details that are wrong because it was filmed in Laos, or Cambodia, or something. He laughs himself silly.
  • SparrowSparrow Shipmate
    edited November 4
    The Knotweed and I probably ought to watch Gaudy Night just to cackle at the geographical howlers as they move through Oxford...

    It can't be much worse than Morse! (When I was a kid watching Morse, it was renowned for car journeys that jumped randomly about the city and were often on roads that were either no-through-roads or on the opposite side of town to where the dialogue had said they were. That, plus the chance of spotting someone you knew, was half the reason to watch!).


    Outside of the centre, the only area I recognised was Headington where they had the Shark House in the background of one scene!
  • SarasaSarasa All Saints Host
    I was once in a cinema watching a B movie before the main event when the cops in the film chased the baddies through a Saturday children's matinee. I think we were all surreptitiously looking around in case the villains came running down the aisle.
    I must see if I can dig out one or other of the screen adaptations before we start discussing the book.
  • TrudyTrudy Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    My plan is to re-read the book and watch the Carmichael TV version this month.
  • HarryCHHarryCH Shipmate
    You can find a TV movie version of this on Youtube.
  • TrudyTrudy Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    edited November 5
    Yes, that's where I'm planning to watch it, as a supplement to re-reading the book. If any others who are reading or re-reading the book would like to do the same, maybe we can add some analysis of the TV adaptation into our discussion this month.
  • Jane RJane R Shipmate
    I don't think it's too spoilery to observe that this juxtaposition on the shelves of Lidl always makes me smirk.

    https://flic.kr/p/2rD23wu

    FWIW, I think Bellona is the own-brand equivalent of a Kinder Bueno, but I've never bought them to find out.

    Odd name for a chocolate bar... naming a club for veterans after the goddess of war makes more sense.

    Anyway, I'm in.
  • SparrowSparrow Shipmate
    edited November 8
    Three quarters of the way through. It seemed vaguely familiar and I seem to remember watching the BBC version with Ian Carmichael. If I'm right, I do remember the ending once the murderer was confronted (I think I remember who) which was a bit of a cliche!
  • SarasaSarasa All Saints Host
    I'm about half-way through my third or fourth reading of the book. This time I'm looking at it from a historical perspective. The effects of WWI on people, attitudes to Remembrance Day and the amount of alcohol people seem to drink and the number of cigarettes they smoke.
  • SparrowSparrow Shipmate
    Sarasa wrote: »
    I'm about half-way through my third or fourth reading of the book. This time I'm looking at it from a historical perspective. The effects of WWI on people, attitudes to Remembrance Day and the amount of alcohol people seem to drink and the number of cigarettes they smoke.

    Yes, I noticed that lunch Wimsey had (on his own!) where he polished off a bottle of Liebfraumilch and a brandy!
  • I have quite an interesting book on your first point, Sarasa, but it's based on sources from a single county and is about three inches thick so I'm not sure I should recommend it!

    Unpleasantness was reprinted with a biography of Wimsey in, which states he was born in 1890 so assuming the book is set in the year of publication he'd have been 38.

    Carmichael was 53 when the BBC adaptation was filmed. My maths was wrong upthread and Petherbridge would have been 43 when the later adaptations (UatBC not included), so a much closer match. Though a decade earlier and with a bit of peroxide I think Carmichael would have been a reasonable match looks-wise.

    I might dig into Sayers' own biography as well...
  • SparrowSparrow Shipmate
    edited November 10
    I remember watching the BBC adaptation of Murder Must Advertise, with Ian Carmichael, when he must have been well into his 50s, and he had to cavort around in a tight fitting Harlequin costume, trying to impress a young woman. He was bit portly by then so the overall effect was hilarious.
  • CaissaCaissa Shipmate
    Halfway through. Should finish it, and several other books, this week while I am on vacation.
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