General Good-byes And RIPs

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  • I always did. It was even worse maybe because in my childhood I couldn't distinguish the words of most songs, so I just assumed from that music they were singing about something awful happening.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    I always did. It was even worse maybe because in my childhood I couldn't distinguish the words of most songs, so I just assumed from that music they were singing about something awful happening.

    Glad I wasn't the only one! Yeah, it kinda sounded like the narrator was surveying a crime scene or something. Though I suppose it could just be interpreted as gravitas, rather than dread. Like, the guy just thinks it's very important to be telling us how wonderful his domestic life is.
  • ChastMastrChastMastr Shipmate
    I never got any kind of negative impression from that song at all, myself, even as a child.
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    ChastMastr wrote: »
    I never got any kind of negative impression from that song at all, myself, even as a child.
    Nor did I. Though if I’m honest, that may because I usually changed the station if possible. I’m afraid I wasn’t a fan.

  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    ChastMastr wrote: »
    I never got any kind of negative impression from that song at all, myself, even as a child.

    Fair enough. But just out of curiousity, do you at least a detect a shift in mood(of whatever sort) when each verse jumps into "Summer breeze, makes me me feel fine..."?
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    edited March 29
    stetson wrote: »
    ChastMastr wrote: »
    I never got any kind of negative impression from that song at all, myself, even as a child.
    Fair enough. But just out of curiousity, do you at least a detect a shift in mood(of whatever sort) when each verse jumps into "Summer breeze, makes me me feel fine..."?
    I don’t.

  • NicoleMRNicoleMR Shipmate
    I like Summer Breeze, and this discussion leaves me quite puzzled.
  • ChastMastrChastMastr Shipmate
    stetson wrote: »
    ChastMastr wrote: »
    I never got any kind of negative impression from that song at all, myself, even as a child.

    Fair enough. But just out of curiousity, do you at least a detect a shift in mood(of whatever sort) when each verse jumps into "Summer breeze, makes me me feel fine..."?

    Not really, no.
    NicoleMR wrote: »
    I like Summer Breeze, and this discussion leaves me quite puzzled.

    Ditto.
  • TBH, I'd always associated it with the Isley Brothers.
  • The bit that sounds a bit … negative? Creepy? is the wordless bridge between the sections with lyrics. Somehow it reminds me of the background music for a police show on TV when I was a child.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited March 30
    The bit that sounds a bit … negative? Creepy? is the wordless bridge between the sections with lyrics. Somehow it reminds me of the background music for a police show on TV when I was a child.

    Well, the actual bridge(labelled as such in the on-line lyrics) HAS words("Sweet days of summer..."). I think you might be thinking of the repeated riff that's first heard in the opening at about five seconds in. Yeah, that sounds like something that woulda been used to segue into a new scene on some Quinn Martin crime-solver show in the 1970s.

    Plus, lines like "See the curtains hangin' on the windows" give it, for me, that sorta "crime-scene" mood I was referencing earlier. Though it would probably be closer to just call it "mysterious".
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    edited March 30
    stetson wrote: »
    Plus, lines like "See the curtains hangin' on the windows" give it, for me, that sorta "crime-scene" mood I was referencing earlier. Though it would probably be closer to just call it "mysterious".
    I just always assumed the curtains were one way of “seeing” the summer breeze, as the breeze made the curtains flutter.


  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited March 30
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    stetson wrote: »
    Plus, lines like "See the curtains hangin' on the windows" give it, for me, that sorta "crime-scene" mood I was referencing earlier. Though it would probably be closer to just call it "mysterious".
    I just always assumed the curtains were one way of “seeing” the summer breeze, as the breeze made the curtains flutter.


    Well, "See the..." is used three times in the song, and the first two could refer to something blowing in the wind(the second being a stray piece of paper on the sidewalk), but the last one refers to his lover's smile.

    But, as both a caveat and a defense, like you I was never the biggest fan of the song(*), so, along with the chorus[which I usually heard as "blowin' through the castles or chapels of my mind"], that one line at the start was all I ever really retained.

    (*) I think I always thought of that song, and SNC generally, as cool enough to be considered genuine rock, as opposed to, say, the more "dad-coded" ABBA, but something about the general ambience sorta pushed me away from further interest.
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    edited March 30
    stetson wrote: »
    I think I always thought of that song, and SNC generally, as cool enough to be considered genuine rock, as opposed to, say, the more "dad-coded" ABBA, but something about the general ambience sorta pushed me away from further interest.
    Interesting. This child of the 60s and 70s would have said (and would still say) that ABBA ranked higher on the coolness meter than Seals & Crofts did.


  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited March 31
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    stetson wrote: »
    I think I always thought of that song, and SNC generally, as cool enough to be considered genuine rock, as opposed to, say, the more "dad-coded" ABBA, but something about the general ambience sorta pushed me away from further interest.
    Interesting. This child of the 60s and 70s would have said (and would still say) that ABBA ranked higher on the coolness meter than Seals & Crofts did.


    I might be biased by the fact that my literal dad, born in the mid-1930s, really liked ABBA. But I also went to very metal-leaning schools, where I got mocked just for liking even Queen, who were more metalish than ABBA.

    Plus, ABBA had a foot in disco, and I came to whatever degree of musical sophistication I have around the time of the anti-disco backlash. I don't think there was ever a similar backlash against soft rock.
  • CaissaCaissa Shipmate
    The individuals I hung out with in my teens considered Abba to be pablum.
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    Caissa wrote: »
    The individuals I hung out with in my teens considered Abba to be pablum.
    That was the view of Seals & Crofts in much of my peer group. You could at least dance to ABBA.

  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    Caissa wrote: »
    The individuals I hung out with in my teens considered Abba to be pablum.

    Yeah, that was basically it where I went to school. My sister and some friends went to French Immersion schools which at that time doubled as schools for native-speaking francophone students, and ABBA seemed way more popular with that group. I always vaguely assumed it might've been due to more European influence.
  • CaissaCaissa Shipmate
    Stephen Lewis, former Ontario NDP leader. Both the son and father of a national NDP leader. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/stephen-lewis-obituary-9.7148606
  • ChastMastrChastMastr Shipmate
    My goodness, people were judgy about music tastes at that age…
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    ChastMastr wrote: »
    My goodness, people were judgy about music tastes at that age…
    Yeah, well, teenagers.

  • Caissa wrote: »
    Stephen Lewis, former Ontario NDP leader. Both the son and father of a national NDP leader. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/stephen-lewis-obituary-9.7148606

    He'll be missed. For moral leadership, there aren't many like him. My wife is a member of the formidable Afrinanas, who are affiliated with the Stephen Lewis Foundation. Don't get in their way when they have a campaign going!
  • TelfordTelford Shipmate
    Ariel wrote: »
    Len Deighton has gone. I enjoyed his books - he's most famous for The Ipcress File, which got turned into a popular film.

    I prefer the Samson books including Winter
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    Good to see you, @Telford!

  • Hi, Telford, lovely to see you here.
  • LouiseLouise Epiphanies Host
    edited April 1
    Same here - I was a bit worried about you!
  • TelfordTelford Shipmate
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Good to see you, @Telford!
    Hi, Telford, lovely to see you here.
    Louise wrote: »
    Same here - I was a bit worried about you!

    Thankyou. I've been in and out of hospital the last year and currently living with my daughter and her family. In November i was finally diagnosed with end stage liver disease. I've not had opportunity to post but felt well enough today to post via daughters laptop.

  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    @Telford, I’m so sorry to hear what your last year has been like. You’re in my prayers.

  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    Sorry to hear that, Telford - sending prayers.
  • Prayers for you, Telford.
  • Oh, I'm so sorry. Praying.
  • SarasaSarasa All Saints Host
    Good to see you @Telford. I'm sorry to hear your news. Praying.
  • ChastMastrChastMastr Shipmate
    Telford wrote: »
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Good to see you, @Telford!
    Hi, Telford, lovely to see you here.
    Louise wrote: »
    Same here - I was a bit worried about you!

    Thankyou. I've been in and out of hospital the last year and currently living with my daughter and her family. In November i was finally diagnosed with end stage liver disease. I've not had opportunity to post but felt well enough today to post via daughters laptop.

    Sending love and hugs and prayers!!
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