Kerygmania: Does Jesus want us to become grifters?

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  • wordkeeperwordkeeper Shipmate Posts: 32
    edited February 2020
    Blahblah wrote: »
    I don't know what the Law of Liberty is. Or what it has to do with this parable.

    The guy who didn't use his talents is thrown out into utter darkness, Matt 25:30

    Well you said that there is actually a different parable dealing with different issues.

    Actually, they are all the same, teaching the same things:

    Matthew 13:23“And the one on whom seed was sown on the good soil, this is the man who hears the word and understands it; who indeed bears fruit and brings forth, some a hundredfold, some sixty, and some thirty.”

    Hebrews 4:2For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it.
  • But the parable of the talents surely does not suggest there is a way back for people who don't use their talents; it says they'll be thrown into utter darkness.

    Once again, I'm questioning my own sanity in trying to fit together pieces that make no sense being together.
  • wordkeeperwordkeeper Shipmate Posts: 32
    edited February 2020
    Blahblah wrote: »
    This thread is very confusing.

    DOOLITTLE ["most musical, most melancholy"] I'll tell you, Governor, if you'll only let me get a word in. I'm willing to tell you. I'm wanting to tell you. I'm waiting to tell you.

    https://www.cliffsnotes.com/literature/p/pygmalion/summary-and-analysis/act-ii/act-ii-4
  • wordkeeper wrote: »
    I don't want to be invited to Hell again, like I was by Evensong!

    When was that then?
  • wordkeeper wrote: »
    Blahblah wrote: »
    This thread is very confusing.

    DOOLITTLE ["most musical, most melancholy"] I'll tell you, Governor, if you'll only let me get a word in. I'm willing to tell you. I'm wanting to tell you. I'm waiting to tell you.

    https://www.cliffsnotes.com/literature/p/pygmalion/summary-and-analysis/act-ii/act-ii-4

    WHHHHAAAATTTT??
  • wordkeeperwordkeeper Shipmate Posts: 32
    Blahblah wrote: »
    But the parable of the talents surely does not suggest there is a way back for people who don't use their talents; it says they'll be thrown into utter darkness.

    Once again, I'm questioning my own sanity in trying to fit together pieces that make no sense being together.

    He could have made a comeback if he had invested in those who had already entered the Kingdom.
  • Ok I give up.
  • wordkeeperwordkeeper Shipmate Posts: 32
    Eutychus wrote: »
    wordkeeper wrote: »
    I don't want to be invited to Hell again, like I was by Evensong!

    When was that then?

    I was invited, but I declined. I think she had been waiting for someone in her weight class. That I am, but worse, I wear glasses...
  • wordkeeper wrote: »
    Eutychus wrote: »
    wordkeeper wrote: »
    I don't want to be invited to Hell again, like I was by Evensong!

    When was that then?

    I was invited, but I declined. I think she had been waiting for someone in her weight class. That I am, but worse, I wear glasses...

    Let me try that again.

    admin mode/

    When did Evensong invite you to Hell, please?

    /admin mode

  • wordkeeperwordkeeper Shipmate Posts: 32
    Eutychus wrote: »
    wordkeeper wrote: »
    Eutychus wrote: »
    wordkeeper wrote: »
    I don't want to be invited to Hell again, like I was by Evensong!

    When was that then?

    I was invited, but I declined. I think she had been waiting for someone in her weight class. That I am, but worse, I wear glasses...

    Let me try that again.

    admin mode/

    When did Evensong invite you to Hell, please?

    /admin mode

    About 5 years ago? Is it important?
  • If you choose to make reference to things that happened back on the old Ship, it would be polite to let people know what name you went by there, which you haven't done, so far as I can see.
  • EnochEnoch Shipmate
    As has been mentioned, the Authorised Version orse KJV is only public domain outside the UK. There is the World English Bible (WEB) which has produced an open source text with a copyright free licence. It is based on a modernisation of a nineteenth century version that is itself out of copyright.
  • wordkeeperwordkeeper Shipmate Posts: 32
    Eutychus wrote: »
    If you choose to make reference to things that happened back on the old Ship, it would be polite to let people know what name you went by there, which you haven't done, so far as I can see.

    I was making a light hearted comment on why I was dotting my i's and crossing my t's. I also thought I was using the same username. It's been some time so I don't recollect. But I remember you mentioning you were a missionary in France.

    To tell the truth I'm doing a little assessment of the type of discussion boards to post in. Most of the other boards are interested in promoting denominational doctrine, not using new evidence and techniques to improve on them. They don't take kindly to "heresies". Based on the leeway given to Tom Wright, David Jenkins, et al. I was trying to explore the reactions here, where you are mostly Anglican, known to be progressive. Although the aggressiveness scares me. Hey, now I remember why I scooted off. Is Evensong still around?
  • admin mode/

    @wordkeeper you were of course free to choose a new name to come aboard the new Ship; as regards the old Ship, the adage "what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas" can usefully be applied. It's a new day here; the principle of jubilee was implemented when we moved over.

    However, if at the same time you also choose to regale posters with stories of being called to Hell on the old Ship, name the caller, do so in not entirely complementary terms, and can't or won't say what name you went by then, you are likely to attract adminly attention - and have.

    Pay attention to the culture here and hostly advice, and there's nothing to be scared about.

    Mind how you go.

    /admin mode
  • MooMoo Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    It needed to be mentioned, to highlight the fault Jesus anticipated believers would commit:

    It strikes me as far-fetched to say you know what fault Jesus anticipated believers would

  • wordkeeperwordkeeper Shipmate Posts: 32
    edited February 2020
    Moo wrote: »
    It needed to be mentioned, to highlight the fault Jesus anticipated believers would commit:

    It strikes me as far-fetched to say you know what fault Jesus anticipated believers would

    Is the anticipation a problem, or the knowledge about the type of fault? Certain texts record Jesus's anticipation of faults, and the type of faults. I get my information about the type of faults from those texts.

    I think it’s safe to assume that Jesus anticipated that another fault believers would have problems with would be overconfidence about their ability, the amount of faith they had collected, to meet the challenge when it revealed itself:
    Luke 14:28 “Suppose one of you wants to build a tower. Won’t you first sit down and estimate the cost to see if you have enough money to complete it? 29 For if you lay the foundation and are not able to finish it, everyone who sees it will ridicule you, 30 saying, ‘This person began to build and wasn’t able to finish.’

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+14&version=NIV


  • wordkeeperwordkeeper Shipmate Posts: 32
    Eutychus wrote: »
    admin mode/

    @wordkeeper you were of course free to choose a new name to come aboard the new Ship; as regards the old Ship, the adage "what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas" can usefully be applied. It's a new day here; the principle of jubilee was implemented when we moved over.

    However, if at the same time you also choose to regale posters with stories of being called to Hell on the old Ship, name the caller, do so in not entirely complementary terms, and can't or won't say what name you went by then, you are likely to attract adminly attention - and have.

    Pay attention to the culture here and hostly advice, and there's nothing to be scared about.

    Mind how you go.

    /admin mode

    'K. Thanks
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