What did you sing at church today?

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  • Piglet wrote: »
    Darda wrote: »
    Piglet wrote: »
    He who would valiant be - Monks Gate
    The version that we sang today had no mention of Hobgoblins or Foul Fiends - how about you?

    Sadly not - as you might expect, they were expunged from the execrable Hymns Old & New.
    I'm afraid you can't blame HO&N for that - it goes back to Dearmer and the NEH of 1906.

  • Piglet wrote: »
    Darda wrote: »
    Piglet wrote: »
    He who would valiant be - Monks Gate
    The version that we sang today had no mention of Hobgoblins or Foul Fiends - how about you?

    Sadly not - as you might expect, they were expunged from the execrable Hymns Old & New.

    At least we got "He", rather than the almost heretical "All"! 😳

    They should be reinstated - after all, there are plenty of them around these days (in Parliament, especially) to daunt He (and all They) Who Would Valiant Be...
  • Presumably you mean Foul Fiends?

    It could be a bit dangerous to be Antihobgoblinist ...
  • Yes, I suppose so. Some of my best friends are Hobgoblins...
  • You clearly move in infernal circles.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited March 2024
    Reading the Noos, I think we all move in infernal circles these days...
    :grimace:

    Every morning seems to bring forth Fouler Fiends than the previous morning, but perhaps it was much the same in Bunyan's time.

    Ah well. Maybe one day, we'll wake up and lo! 'twas all a Dream...
  • TruronTruron Shipmate
    3rd Sunday in Lent

    Where high the heavenly temple stands (Wareham)
    Who would true valour see (Monks Gate)
    Daily daily sing the praises (Daily Daily)
    Jesus my Lord my God my all (St Chrysostom)
    Christian dost thou see them (St Andrew of Crete)

    A rather eccentric little collection I thought, although they sang hearily about the hobgoblins and foul fiends (no political correctness in these parts 😏) and also in the Offertory hymn about the forests and the woodlands being "eternally gay". Anyone not believing such a thing were possible look up 568 in the old (unrevised) English Hymnal where the verses include the desire for the wings of angels and some of the latter swinging censers in a ring ... As to that infernal tune "St Chrysostom" the usual scooping and shrieking were present in great abundance. At least the grand finale was fun 🤣
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    Piglet wrote: »
    Darda wrote: »
    Piglet wrote: »
    He who would valiant be - Monks Gate
    The version that we sang today had no mention of Hobgoblins or Foul Fiends - how about you?

    Sadly not - as you might expect, they were expunged from the execrable Hymns Old & New.
    I'm afraid you can't blame HO&N for that - it goes back to Dearmer and the NEH of 1906.

    Are you sure? I'm sure we had hobgoblins (and Foul Fiends) in CH3 in the Church of Scotland! :mrgreen:
    It being the first Sunday of the month, we had Evensong, at which we sang:

    Jesus is Lord - Jesus is Lord
    In the cross of Christ I glory - Love Divine
    Hail to the Lord's anointedCrüger
    Come down, O Love divine - Down Ampney

    Part of Psalm 119 to a chant by Walmisley

    The congregation was in double digits, which was encouraging. I so wish we had the resources to do proper settings, anthems and do justice to the Psalms!


  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    I should have added that the congregation included the large and very well-behaved Shetland sheepdog belonging to one of our organists! 🙂
  • I'm surprised Our Place didn't have The Hobgoblin Hymn, as a certain couple insist on having it from time to time, as it's One They Know.

    That said, the version in our hymnbook is the one which omits the Foul Fiends etc. - there seem to be quite a few variations out there...
  • Today, we had:

    “The Days Are Surely Coming”/LLANGLOFFAN
    “What Does the Lord Require of You?”/MOON
    “Heaven Shall Not Wait”/HEAVEN SHALL NOT WAIT
    “I Want Jesus to Walk with Me”
    Yesterday, we had the long-delayed memorial service for two sisters who both died (in their 90s) in the early days of Covid. They were two remarkable women, which isn’t something I say lightly. We sang:

    “Joyful, Joyful, We Adore Thee”/ODE TO JOY
    “Be Still My Soul”/FINLANDIA
    “A Mighty Fortress Is Our God”/EIN FESTE BURG
    “For All the Saints”/SINE NOMINE

  • I don't personally know any of the hymns used at your service today, but I recognise all those sung at the Memorial Service - and what a fantastic choice, bitter-sweet occasion though it no doubt was!

    Beethoven, Sibelius, Luther, and Ralph Vaughan Williams, all in one go...
    :sweat_smile:
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    edited March 2024
    I don't personally know any of the hymns used at your service today, but I recognise all those sung at the Memorial Service - and what a fantastic choice, bitter-sweet occasion though it no doubt was!

    Beethoven, Sibelius, Luther, and Ralph Vaughan Williams, all in one go...
    :sweat_smile:
    It was pretty great, and very appropriate for the two women in question.


    For your listening pleasure, if you chose:

    “The Days Are Surely Coming”
    “What Does the Lord Require of You?” (One we know well, so no teaching was necessary, and we did have accompaniment.)
    “Heaven Shall Not Wait”
    “I Want Jesus to Walk with Me”
    (We sang it more straightforwardly. As you may be able tell, it’s an African American spiritual.)


  • rhubarbrhubarb Shipmate
    Familiar and traditional hymns today and a large congregation to welcome our new priest.

    All my hope on God is founded (MICHAEL)
    Firmly I believe and truly (HALTON HOLGATE)
    We sing the praise of him who died (BOW BRICKHILL)
    Praise the Lord ye heavens adore him (AUSTRIA)
    Psalm 19 (WOODWARD)
    During communion the choir sang 'How shall I sing that majesty' (TALLIS 3rd MODE MELODY)
  • MaryLouiseMaryLouise Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    I don't personally know any of the hymns used at your service today, but I recognise all those sung at the Memorial Service - and what a fantastic choice, bitter-sweet occasion though it no doubt was!

    Beethoven, Sibelius, Luther, and Ralph Vaughan Williams, all in one go...
    :sweat_smile:
    It was pretty great, and very appropriate for the two women in question.


    For your listening pleasure, if you chose:

    “The Days Are Surely Coming”
    “What Does the Lord Require of You?” (One we know well, so no teaching was necessary, and we did have accompaniment.)
    “Heaven Shall Not Wait”
    “I Want Jesus to Walk with Me”
    (We sang it more straightforwardly. As you may be able tell, it’s an African American spiritual.)


    Lovely, thanks for the links!
  • At school (mid-60s) we used "Songs of Praise" - nothing to do with the BBC but the 1920s book compiled by RVW and Martin Shaw. I'm pretty sure that it has the non-Hobgoblin version of the Pilgrim Hymn, which we sang at the last Assembly of every term.

    cf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Be_a_Pilgrim
  • Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Today, we had:

    “The Days Are Surely Coming”/LLANGLOFFAN

    That is a terrific tune - strangely not well-known in my Cardiff congregation.

    Incidentally we visited Llangloffan many years ago, where there was a farm, run by an ex-orchestral horn player, where they made excellent cheese. The chapel was just across the road.
  • Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Today, we had:
    “Be Still My Soul”/FINLANDIA

    There's a great hymn "Dros Gymru’n Gwlad” (For Wales, our land), written by the Baptist minister and nationalist agitator Lewis Valentine (look him up!), to 'Finlandia'. I don't usually like "national" hymns but this is better than most. We used it, giving people the choice to do so in Welsh or English, to close our service in 2020 when St David's Day fell on a Sunday.
  • Gee DGee D Shipmate
    Darda wrote: »
    Piglet wrote: »
    He who would valiant be - Monks Gate
    The version that we sang today had no mention of Hobgoblins or Foul Fiends - how about you?

    Then you didn't sing He would valiant be.
  • MaryLouise wrote: »
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    I don't personally know any of the hymns used at your service today, but I recognise all those sung at the Memorial Service - and what a fantastic choice, bitter-sweet occasion though it no doubt was!

    Beethoven, Sibelius, Luther, and Ralph Vaughan Williams, all in one go...
    :sweat_smile:
    It was pretty great, and very appropriate for the two women in question.


    For your listening pleasure, if you chose:

    “The Days Are Surely Coming”
    “What Does the Lord Require of You?” (One we know well, so no teaching was necessary, and we did have accompaniment.)
    “Heaven Shall Not Wait”
    “I Want Jesus to Walk with Me”
    (We sang it more straightforwardly. As you may be able tell, it’s an African American spiritual.)
    Lovely, thanks for the links!
    I thought of you yesterday, @MaryLouise. In addition to the hymns listed, the choir sang “Ukuthula.”


  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited March 2024
    Gee D wrote: »
    Darda wrote: »
    Piglet wrote: »
    He who would valiant be - Monks Gate
    The version that we sang today had no mention of Hobgoblins or Foul Fiends - how about you?

    Then you didn't sing He would valiant be.

    Here are Bunyan's original words, as writ in Pilgrim's Progress:

    Who would true val­our see,
    Let him come hi­ther;
    One here will con­stant be,
    Come wind, come wea­ther
    There’s no dis­cour­age­ment
    Shall make him once re­lent
    His first avowed in­tent
    To be a pil­grim.

    Whoso be­set him round
    With dis­mal stories
    Do but them­selves con­found;
    His strength the more is.
    No li­on can him fright,
    He’ll with a gi­ant fight,
    He will have a right
    To be a pil­grim.

    Hobgoblin nor foul fiend
    Can daunt his spi­rit,
    He knows he at the end
    Shall life in­her­it.
    Then fan­cies fly away,
    He’ll fear not what men say,
    He’ll la­bour night and day
    To be a pil­grim.


    The line He who would valiant be is, I presume, one of The Blessed Percy's amendments.
    :wink:

    Bunyan's original words can, of course, be sung to RVW's arrangement of Monks Gate, complete with the Hobgoblins and Foul Fiends, for the delight and edification of the Faithful. There are a couple of other tunes (St Dunstan and Moab) but I would guess that they are seldom used...

    @Nick Tamen - yes, thanks for the links! I have heard Heaven will not wait, and IIRC it's in our default hymnbook, but I don't think we've ever sung it at Our Place.
    :disappointed:
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited March 2024

    At school (mid-60s) we used "Songs of Praise" - nothing to do with the BBC but the 1920s book compiled by RVW and Martin Shaw. I'm pretty sure that it has the non-Hobgoblin version of the Pilgrim Hymn, which we sang at the last Assembly of every term.

    cf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Be_a_Pilgrim

    Just spotted this - we used Songs of Praise ( a little blue-covered tome) at my Grammer Skool...

    O! such Happy Days, with Mr F the woodwork master playing the rather splendid pipe organ we had in the hall, a vast chamber y-clept The Schoolroom...
  • PuzzlerPuzzler Shipmate
    Catching up on last Sunday, 3 March,
    Parish Communion.

    All people that on earth do dwell ( Old 100th)
    My song is love unknown ( Love Unknown)
    When I survey ( Rockingham)
    Be thou my vision ( Slane )
    Christ is made the sure foundation
    ( Westminster Abbey ).



  • Puzzler wrote: »
    Catching up on last Sunday, 3 March,
    Parish Communion.

    All people that on earth do dwell ( Old 100th)
    My song is love unknown ( Love Unknown)
    When I survey ( Rockingham)
    Be thou my vision ( Slane )
    Christ is made the sure foundation
    ( Westminster Abbey ).



    A goodly choice - I know all of them!

    *Mothering* Sunday 🤢🤮 at Our Place tomorrow...with (no doubt) FatherInCharge's usual maundering on about wives, mothers, grandmothers, godmothers etc. etc., and virtually no mention of those who can't be mothers, or those whose children have miscarried or died etc. etc.

    I shouldn't be too harsh - it's a hard day to pull off liturgically in the middle of Lent, but in the UK it is, as enny fule kno, a major Festival of St Hallmark and the Emotional Blackmail...
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Apropo of nothing, I had cause at a recent meeting to refer to the parody I encountered on the ship: "like a mighty tortoise moves the church of God".
  • Brother, were you treading where you've always trod?
    :lol:
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Brother, were you treading where you've always trod?
    :lol:

    We're trying not to because it now leads off the edge of a cliff.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited March 2024
    Brother, were you treading where you've always trod?
    :lol:

    We're trying not to because it now leads off the edge of a cliff.

    :flushed: :scream:

    Perhaps you can console yourselves with the thought that, whatever happens, God is walking his porpoises out.
  • Gee DGee D Shipmate
    Puzzler wrote: »
    Catching up on last Sunday, 3 March,
    Parish Communion.

    All people that on earth do dwell ( Old 100th)
    My song is love unknown ( Love Unknown)
    When I survey ( Rockingham)
    Be thou my vision ( Slane )
    Christ is made the sure foundation
    ( Westminster Abbey ).

    Arrows of envy heading your way. What a great collection.
  • PuzzlerPuzzler Shipmate
    It was, but the organist played very slowly and included a (beautiful ) interlude between each of the verses of My song is love unknown, making it extremely long.
  • The despair and courage of Moses' mother.

    "Now thank we all our God" - Nun Danket.
    "The Lord's my Shepherd” - Stuart Townend.
    “Long ago, when Pharaoh's daughter walked” - Nettleton.
    “Unto us a boy is born” - Puer Nobis Nascitur.
    “When Israel was in Egypt's land” - traditional.
  • The God of Abraham Praise
    O worship the King all glorious above
    Only By Grace Can We Enter (Gustafson)
    There Is A Redeemer (Kendrick)
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    Mixed bag at St Pete's for Mothering Sunday:

    We give immortal praise - Croft's 136th
    Bread of Heaven, on thee we feed - Bread of Heaven
    All people that on earth do dwell - Old Hundredth :heart:
    Name of all majesty - Name of all Majesty
    Make way, make way - Make Way (Kendrick) :grimace:

    Now I think about it, they had very little to do with it being Mothering Sunday ... :confused:

    No matter; the ladies in church were all given little posies by the Sunday School children, which was nice.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    ... “Unto us a boy is born” - Puer Nobis Nascitur ...

    Slightly unseasonal, but lovely! :heart:
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited March 2024
    Mothering Sunday at Our Place, with Mary at the Foot of the Cross as the Gospel reading.

    Ye who own the faith of Jesus (Daily, daily - only 4 of the 7 verses were sung today)
    Sing we of the blessed Mother (Abbot's Leigh)

    and two more from separate sheet(s). My Spy will no doubt let me know later today what these were...

    Our lovely rose-pink chasuble will have had one of its two annual outings this morning!
    Piglet wrote: »
    ... “Unto us a boy is born” - Puer Nobis Nascitur ...

    Slightly unseasonal, but lovely! :heart:

    Hmm. Rather unsuitable, to say the least, if it included the verse about slaying the little childer.
  • rhubarbrhubarb Shipmate
    We had an unusual selection of hymns today which didn't seem connected with any particular reason.
    Eternal Father strong to save (Melita)
    Jesus calls us o'er the tumult (Wraysbury)
    Amazing grace (usual horrible tune) - some of the congregation loved this but most cringed in horror. I have always hated this hymn and threaten to leap out of the coffin if it appears at my funeral. It seems that it is a funeral hymn chosen by the unchurched because they don't know any others.
    Lift high the cross(Crucifer)
    Thee we adore O hidden Saviour thee(Sursum Corda) - this was sung by the choir during communion.
  • DardaDarda Shipmate
    The Golden Rule (Nick & Becky Drake)
    O Lord, My Rock and My Redeemer ( Nathan Stiff)
    O Love That Wilt Not Let Me Go / ST MARGARET
    Great Is Thy Faithfulness / FAITHFULNESS
  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    Meekness and Majesty and The Servant King both had an airing today.
    I have to say I like them both. We usually keep M and M for the Maunday Thursday Mass of the Last Supper because it ties in with the foot washing. So it was good to sing it in a different context.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited March 2024
    The two hymns on separate sheets at Our Place today were:

    One to the tune Bunessan (Morning has broken or Child in the manger), but my Spy couldn'r recall the words...

    The other was the awful Onward Christian families, to Sullivan's St Gertrude, which is available online. I therefore append the words below, for your delight and edification:

    Onward, Christian families,
    Sing a happy song,
    Lifting hearts and voices
    As you march along.
    Festal banners waving,
    Young and old adore
    Father, Son and Spirit,
    God for evermore.
    Onward, Christian families,
    Sing a happy song,
    Lifting hearts and voices
    As you march along.


    For that home at Nazareth
    Hear our songs of praise:
    For all those who shared in
    Jesus' boyhood days.
    Praise too for his manhood
    When in Joseph's trade,
    In his home and district
    His full part he played.
    Chorus

    Onward, Christian pilgrims,
    As through life you roam,
    Sing a song of gladness
    For a Christian home;
    For the love that binds you,
    For the things you share,
    For laughter, tears and friendship
    And the constant care.
    Chorus

    Onward, Christian families,
    Sing a joyful song
    For that greater family
    To which we all belong.
    Sprinkled with the water
    In the threefold name,
    Of the holy Church of Jesus
    Membership we claim.
    Chorus


    🤢🤮

    Natheless, there was a goodly sized congregation in church, complete with a number of visitors, but only three under-16s. Our usual young families, few in number at the best of times, were all Away, or, in one case, Unwell.
  • SpikeSpike Ecclesiantics & MW Host, Admin Emeritus
    To quote Blackadder “ Well it started badly, it tailed off a little in the middle & the less said about the end the better! But apart from that, excellent”
  • Piglet wrote: »
    ... “Unto us a boy is born” - Puer Nobis Nascitur ...

    Slightly unseasonal, but lovely! :heart:

    And relevant, as I compared the child Moses' escape from Pharaoh with Jesus' escape from Herod.
  • Piglet wrote: »
    ... “Unto us a boy is born” - Puer Nobis Nascitur ...

    Slightly unseasonal, but lovely! :heart:

    And relevant, as I compared the child Moses' escape from Pharaoh with Jesus' escape from Herod.

    Indeed - good point. Context matters...
    :wink:
  • JapesJapes Shipmate
    @Bishops Finger the one to Bunessan may well have been "Fathers and Mothers, Sisters and Brothers" by Timothy Dudley-Smith which appears in my place's hymnbook (the newest Ancient and Modern) in the Mothering Sunday section. We didn't use it this year, but it may well get an outing another year.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited March 2024
    Japes wrote: »
    @Bishops Finger the one to Bunessan may well have been "Fathers and Mothers, Sisters and Brothers" by Timothy Dudley-Smith which appears in my place's hymnbook (the newest Ancient and Modern) in the Mothering Sunday section. We didn't use it this year, but it may well get an outing another year.

    Thanks! I think you're probably right - our default hymnbook is the orange Complete Anglican Hymns Old & New, but there is a more up-to-date version which our late Reader often used as a source for the hymns and songs he put on The Sheets.

    He may well have found it in what he referred to as the blue book...

    Onward Christian families! is one which FatherInCharge heard at some other Place somewhere, and pinched therefrom. I don't think he infringed copyright, as it's in the public domain, but the author is that Unknown so often responsible for egregious Tosh.
  • TruronTruron Shipmate
    4th Sunday in Lent

    This one is a strict Prayer Book parish so not a mention of Mothering Sunday and not a soul under 60 so this was probably highly unusual, at least with regard to mothers not getting a reference. The only one was in the (BCP) epistle about Jerusalem being the mother of us all.

    Parish Communion

    The King of love (Dominus regit me)
    Jerusalem on high (Christchurch)
    Dear Lord and Father (Repton)
    Bread of heaven on thee we feed
    Jerusalem the golden (Ewing)

    Evensong (or afternoonsong)

    The God of love my Shepherd is (University)
    Father hear the prayer we offer (Sussex)
    My God my Father while I stray (Troytes chant!)
    Saviour again to thy dear name we raise (Pax Dei)

    Morning singing seemed a bit muted and they only wanted hymns, no setting although they did sing out a bit in the last hymn. Evensong was better attended than usual but not for decades have I been asked to play Troytes chant! I nearly went into the Eli Jenkins prayer out of "Under Milk Wood" 😏 The tune of the last hymn was also an irritant, instead of the usual and rather soothing "Ellers" they wanted this foul tune by Dykes which led to a lot of whooping and scooping, so bad I am now recovering with a drink!
  • I was brought up, so to speak, on the Jerusalem above, which is the mother of us all thing. The Tin Tabernacle Of My Youth was a BCP place, too.

    I didn't understand it then, and I still don't.
    :unamused:
  • Today (Lent 4), we had:

    “I Heard the Voice of Jesus Say”/KINGSFOLD
    “What Does the Lord Require of You”/MOON
    “Come to the Table of Grace”/TABLE OF GRACE
    “Faith Begins by Letting Go”/REDHEAD 76


  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    We had:
    Oh, the life of the world (new one on me and I assume on most of the congregation, but known to Mrs Feet's mum)
    Praise the One who breaks the darkness
    Sing for God’s glory
    Guide me, O thou great Jehovah
    Tell out my soul

    Seeing as it was Mothering Sunday and we finished up with a paraphrase of the Magnificat I played Haydn's Ave Maria at the end, because I'm naughty like that.
  • March 10th, The Fourth Sunday in Lent

    Hymns
    King of glory, king of peace, / Gwalchmai
    O the deep, deep love of Jesus, / Ebenezer
    In water we grow, / Paderborn (there was a baptism at today’s service)
    Praise to the holiest in the height, / Gerontius

    Choir
    Christus Factus est (WAB 9), / Bruckner
    God so loved the world, / Goss
  • ZappaZappa Shipmate
    edited March 2024
    I oversee a pair of churches in a tourist region ... the liturgy is reasonably by the book Anglican Eucharistic, middle of the road ... some eccentricities which I dare not change as yet. (hey, my predecessor wore chazzies to preside at all weddings, presumably because he did not like to be outshone by the bride :smirk: ). The policy is very much "no more than 60 minutes," so the eucharist is a three hymn grab - with a weird tradition of the tiny but usually good 3-5 voice "choir" performing (yes) a gradual anthem (my phrase). I have incidentally a superb piano/organist.

    During Lent I am using the Taizé chant. “Wait for the Lord” as a prayer Introit.

    The Gradual choir performance (yes) was “God so Loved the World” (K. Lee Scott) ... the choir director arranges each anthem according to the voices that have indicated in advance that they will turn up that week, and about 90% of the time the outcome is brilliant.

    I am very much of the post-Colonial awareness brigade, so for the Offertory used Shirely Erena Murray "Lift High the Cross" https://hopepublishing.com/find-hymns-hw/hw2894.aspx ... such a beautiful tune and Shirley Murray (or recentish blessed memory) has done a beautiful work with new lyrics

    But I am also attempting to transition the hymnody to more recent decades ... I was pretty much the youngest present in my mid-60s, but we are beginning to attract a gaggle of younger people (20s) so occasionally I climb out of the 19th century, and this week even climbed into the 21st ... Matt Redman's "10,000 reasons" is much loved in this country and my musician rocked it ... I almost found my inner charismatic :innocent: ... that was the more-or-less Recessional

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