We had some nice traditional offerings today at St Pete's:
I'm not ashamed to own my Lord - Jackson Blest Creator of the light - Buckland Fair waved the golden corn - Franconia My God, and is thy table spread? - Rockingham For the healing of the nations - Alleluia Dulce Carmen
At coffee afterwards, a lady in the congregation (who crossed the Tiber and came to us) observed that she didn't know any of the tunes, because being brought up a Catholic she was used to "modern" hymns.
In Christ Alone O come let us adore him followed by verse 2: "For he alone is worthy" and verse 3: "We'll give him all the glory" Light of the World
Last verse of In the bleak midwinter ("What can I give him?") We were in somewhat festive mood. See Sermon thread. Holy Forever (A thousand generations falling down in worship)
It was Harvest Festival at Our Place this morning, a little earlier than our usual end of September slot.
The church was open for a Ride & Stride event (in aid of Kent churches) yesterday, and was decorated for the concurrent Heritage Open Days weekend, so the opportunity was also taken to hold the first Community Cafe of the autumn.
I guess FatherInCharge and the PCC decided to get several things done all on the same weekend, giving the Faithful Few a break next week...
Anyway, turnout this morning was a little lower than usual for Harvest, though some of our Indian students are back (with a new addition!). Hymns were:
Come, ye thankful people, come (St George's Windsor) All things bright and beautiful (eponymous tune by W H Monk) Lord's Prayer (Kumbaya ) We plough the fields and scatter (Wir pfluegen)
There was also a hymn during Communion, but my Spy was administering the chalice, and rightly concentrating on that duty.
“O for a thousand tongues to sing” - Lyngham (a good workout!)
“Ancient words”.
“Lord, thy word abideth” - Ravenshaw.
“God, give me time to learn” - Kingsfold.
“Go forth and tell!" - Woodlands.
Evensong - to come
Introit: Let thy merciful ears ( Weelkes)
Hymns
Christ is made the sure foundation
(Gerontius)
Take up thy cross ( Breslau)
The day thou gavest( St Clement)
Christ whose glory fills the skies ( Ratisbon)*
Lord’s Prayer ( Stone)
Anthem: God is a Spirit ( William Sterndale Bennet)
A Simple Blessing - anon.
God is our strength and refuge (Dambusters March)
Psalm 90
Te Deum and Jubilate
Who would true valour see (Monks Gate) including hobgoblins and foul fiends!
The King O God to thee his heart to thee upraiseth (O perfect love)
I vow to thee my country (Thaxted)
Act of Remembrance and Thanksgiving
O thou within whose sure control (Melita). The Airmens' Hymn
National Anthem (in full)
A full church including plenty of uniformed organisations and extremely hearty singing. "The King O God" is in A&M Revised and I don't recall playing it before, set tune was a non starter so dedided on "O perfect love" which went down well. This sort of service and perhaps some of the more traditional sentimemts may not be agreeable to everyone these days but in country towns and villages they continue to meet a need in my experience.
Patronal Evensong (elsewhere) to mark Holy Cross Day
Onward Christian soldiers (St Gertrude)
Psalm 98
Mag and Nunc
In the cross of Christ I glory (Stuttgart)
The head that once was crowned (St Magnus)
Lift high the Cross (Crucifer)
All very nice and good singing with a cream tea following 😊
At coffee afterwards, a lady in the congregation (who crossed the Tiber and came to us) observed that she didn't know any of the tunes, because being brought up a Catholic she was used to "modern" hymns.
I would have thought that coming to the Anglicans from Rome might be “crossing the Thames.” Though I do appreciate that the Scottish Episcopal Church has a heritage and lineage independent of the Church of England, so the Thames might be problematic in regard to the SEC.
Today we had:
“Our God, Our Help in Ages Past” (Ps. 90)/ST. ANNE
“Great Is Thy Faithfulness”/FAITHFULNESS
“Be Thou My Vision”/SLANE
“Guide My Feet” (can be heard here for those not familiar with it)
The Spacious Firmament on High (CREATION)
At the Name of Jesus (KINGS WESTON)
God, Who Stretched the Spangled Heavens (HOLY MANNA)
Great is Thy Faithfulness (FAITHFULNESS)
I would have thought that coming to the Anglicans from Rome might be “crossing the Thames.” Though I do appreciate that the Scottish Episcopal Church has a heritage and lineage independent of the Church of England, so the Thames might be problematic in regard to the SEC.
I would have thought that coming to the Anglicans from Rome might be “crossing the Thames.” Though I do appreciate that the Scottish Episcopal Church has a heritage and lineage independent of the Church of England, so the Thames might be problematic in regard to the SEC.
"Crossing the Forth", perhaps. Or the Clyde.
But does that mean going to the SEC or to the Kirk?
@Piglet, of course you are quite right. CIMTSF was sung to Westminster Abbey, not Gerontius. I just copied down the printed list without checking, so someone else made a mistake.
Considering we had not had a practice for ten days, we didn’t do too badly at all, especially, the introit and anthem, though the Psalm was a piece of work. A pity the choir was twice the size of the congregation.
A pity the choir was twice the size of the congregation.
They shouldn't have eaten so many cream cakes ...
I remember Evensong at a town centre church about ten years ago. There were about 18 in the choir. In the congregation were myself (a visitor), Vicar's mother (visiting), Verger (paid to be there) and one other person.
When I was a member of Liverpool Met Cathedral choir we used to sing Evening Prayer twice a week in the Lutyens Crypt. Although it was advertised in the usual list of services there was never a congregation. It always felt like a lovely thing shared between us and the angels worshipping around God's throne. A bit special and intimate. And of course being the official Office it was shared with the entire church across the world.
I remember Evensong at a town centre church about ten years ago. There were about 18 in the choir. In the congregation were myself (a visitor), Vicar's mother (visiting), Verger (paid to be there) and one other person.
In my childhood, c.70 years ago, at our "middle of the road" village Anglican church, the congregation at Matins on Sunday mornngss was regularly about 8 (including one churchwarden, who lived ten yards from the church door), with 20 in the choir. Evensong congregation was usually around 40.
Continuing this tangent, the videoed Holy Week Vespers from Notre Dame, Paris, on 15 April 2019, as the fire was taking hold in the roof, was notable for two things - the beauty and simplicity of the service (priest, cantor, lector, organist) and the huge congregation...
A Requiem for a 79 year old parishioner.
How great thou art at the start.
Crimond for the psalm
Soul of my Saviour at Communion
I played the plainsong In Paradisum at the Commendation.
Lord of all hopefulness as the coffin was carried out.
A packed church sang lustily. A fine Christian funeral is wonderfully uplifting.
Institution and Installation of the new Dean of Lichfield Cathedral (God bless her!) I bind unto myself (ST. PATRICK / GARTAN) Come down, O Love divine (DOWN AMPNEY) 10,000 Reasons (Bless the Lord) Jonas Marin and Matt Redman Be thou my vision. (BE THOU MY VISION (a modified SLANE) Praise, my soul, the King of heaven. LAUDA ANIMA
Introit: I was glad (Parry)
Anthems: Locus iste (Bruckner), For the beauty of the earth (Rutter)
Organ: Prelude and Fugue in E flat BWV 552 J S Bach
Nun danket alle Gott BWV 657
J S Bach
Prelude on 'Rhosymedre' Vaughan Williams
Organ Sonata No 4 'Sonata Celtica' Op. 153 II. 'St Patrick's Breastplate' Stanford
Drum fanfare by pupils of the Cathedral School and Young Voices
Both of our regular organists were unavailable for the early communion service this morning so we sang to piano accompaniment:
What a Friend We Have in Jesus - CONVERSE
Be Thou My Vision - SLANE
Amazing Grace - NEW BRITAIN
Our Place had a nice selection this morning (Trinity 17):
Teach me, my God and King (Sandys) From Heaven you came/The Servant King (words and music by Graham Kendrick) When I survey the wondrous cross (probably Rockingham) What a friend we have in Jesus (Converse)
@BroJames - that sounds like a very nice selection!
We weren't quite so lucky at St Pete's; the first three were fine, but then we descended into a Kendrick-fest ...
Sing to God new songs of worship - Ode to Joy Gracious Spirit, Holy Ghost - Capetown Sing for God's glory - Lobe den Herren* Here is bread - Here is Bread Lord, the light of your love is shining - Shine, Jesus, Shine, during which I escaped to help set up the post-church coffee ...
* Lobe den Herren is the tune set in the Horrid Orange Book™, but to be honest, I'm not sure that whoever set it was really thinking about things like the stresses in the text; some of it, such as
Lobe den Herren is a bit odd. we sing it to Praise to the Lord the Almighty etc.
For some reason everywhere does this with these stresses on the words
PRAISE to the LORD the ALmighTY the KING of creAtion,
when the rhythm of the tune and the natural stresses of the words are
PRAISE to the LORD the alMIGHty the KING of creAtion.
I have no idea why.
Lobe den Herren is a bit odd. we sing it to Praise to the Lord the Almighty etc.
For some reason everywhere does this with these stresses on the words
PRAISE to the LORD the ALmighTY the KING of creAtion,
when the rhythm of the tune and the natural stresses of the words are
PRAISE to the LORD the alMIGHty the KING of creAtion.
I have no idea why.
The way you say it should be, “PRAISE to the LORD the alMIGHty the KING of creAtion,” is the way I always hear it. How does anyone get stress on “AL” and “TY” when “MIGHT” is on the downbeat? Are they taking it to slowly to feel it in one beat per bar?
By grace alone somehow I stand I just want to speak the name of Jesus God, I look to you (I will love you, Lord my strength) King of Kings (In the darkness we were waiting without hope, without light) - a new one to me.
Lobe den Herren is a bit odd. we sing it to Praise to the Lord the Almighty etc.
For some reason everywhere does this with these stresses on the words
PRAISE to the LORD the ALmighTY the KING of creAtion,
when the rhythm of the tune and the natural stresses of the words are
PRAISE to the LORD the alMIGHty the KING of creAtion.
I have no idea why.
The way you say it should be, “PRAISE to the LORD the alMIGHty the KING of creAtion,” is the way I always hear it. How does anyone get stress on “AL” and “TY” when “MIGHT” is on the downbeat? Are they taking it to slowly to feel it in one beat per bar?
Yes, I wondered that. I've always sung it (and heard it sung) in the way that @Alan29 describes.
Lobe den Herren is a bit odd. we sing it to Praise to the Lord the Almighty etc.
For some reason everywhere does this with these stresses on the words
PRAISE to the LORD the ALmighTY the KING of creAtion,
when the rhythm of the tune and the natural stresses of the words are
PRAISE to the LORD the alMIGHty the KING of creAtion.
I have no idea why.
The way you say it should be, “PRAISE to the LORD the alMIGHty the KING of creAtion,” is the way I always hear it. How does anyone get stress on “AL” and “TY” when “MIGHT” is on the downbeat? Are they taking it to slowly to feel it in one beat per bar?
No I take it at a decent lick. I have asked other UK organists who report the same oddity.
We Plough the fields and Scatter (Wir Pflügen)
Come, You Thankful People, Come (St. George's Windsor)
Let Us With A Gladsome Mind (Ever Faithful)
Great is Your faithfulness (Faithfulness)
9.15 Parish Communion
All hail the power of Jesus’ name (Miles Lane)
O thou who camest from above ( Hereford)
O perfect love ( Strength and stay)
May the mind of Christ our Saviour ( St Leonard’s)
There’s a wideness in God’s mercy ( Cross of Jesus)
St Thomas Mass.
Only 3 sopranos, one alto, but the best organist on our rota, so good singing.
Another village church in the group
6pm Harvest Festival.
Come ye thankful people come
All creatures of our God and king
Now thank we all our God
To thee O Lord our hearts we raise
We plough the fields
Postlude : Nun danket. (Karg Elert)
All the usual tunes. I think I made a massive difference to the singing, as it is a church where nobody sings, they growl. Lovely gentle service, including a contribution from three generations of one farming, church-going family. And a superb organist, same as this morning.
A new set of words by our priest to LAND OF REST a la Jerusalem, My Happy Home
Go to the World (SINE NOMINE)
O Day of Peace (JERUSALEM)
How Great Thou Art (O STORE GUD)
Finally just got home from church after waiting for son to finish some training—i could hear that somebody upstairs is practicing “Shine, Jesus, Shine” and I don’t know for what… 😳
Lobe den Herren is a bit odd. we sing it to Praise to the Lord the Almighty etc.
For some reason everywhere does this with these stresses on the words
PRAISE to the LORD the ALmighTY the KING of creAtion,
when the rhythm of the tune and the natural stresses of the words are
PRAISE to the LORD the alMIGHty the KING of creAtion.
I have no idea why.
The way you say it should be, “PRAISE to the LORD the alMIGHty the KING of creAtion,” is the way I always hear it. How does anyone get stress on “AL” and “TY” when “MIGHT” is on the downbeat? Are they taking it to slowly to feel it in one beat per bar?
Yes, I wondered that. I've always sung it (and heard it sung) in the way that @Alan29 describes.
I always hear (and sing it) it the way Nick does; if it's in 3/4 time (or 3/2 depending on the age of your hymnal) I don't see how else it could fit.
Lobe den Herren is a bit odd. we sing it to Praise to the Lord the Almighty etc.
For some reason everywhere does this with these stresses on the words
PRAISE to the LORD the ALmighTY the KING of creAtion,
when the rhythm of the tune and the natural stresses of the words are
PRAISE to the LORD the alMIGHty the KING of creAtion.
I have no idea why.
The way you say it should be, “PRAISE to the LORD the alMIGHty the KING of creAtion,” is the way I always hear it. How does anyone get stress on “AL” and “TY” when “MIGHT” is on the downbeat? Are they taking it to slowly to feel it in one beat per bar?
Yes, I wondered that. I've always sung it (and heard it sung) in the way that @Alan29 describes.
I always hear (and sing it) it the way Nick does; if it's in 3/4 time (or 3/2 depending on the age of your hymnal) I don't see how else it could fit.
I was once at a service led by a worship band where it was sung in 4/4 (probably because drummers can’t do 3/4)
Praise - to the / Lord - the al / migh - ty the/ king - of cre / a - - - / tion - - -
[ strum strum strum strum ]
O - my soul / praise - him for / he - is your* / health - and sal / va - - - / tion - - -
[strum strum strum strum]
And so on
*They certainly weren’t going to sing a word like “thy”
Comments
A corker!
Absolutely, and I can attest to its excellence as a wedding introit; it was David's favourite hymn. ❤️
I'm not ashamed to own my Lord - Jackson
Blest Creator of the light - Buckland
Fair waved the golden corn - Franconia
My God, and is thy table spread? - Rockingham
For the healing of the nations - Alleluia Dulce Carmen
At coffee afterwards, a lady in the congregation (who crossed the Tiber and came to us) observed that she didn't know any of the tunes, because being brought up a Catholic she was used to "modern" hymns.
I couldn't help feeling a little sorry for her.
O come let us adore him followed by verse 2: "For he alone is worthy" and verse 3: "We'll give him all the glory"
Light of the World
Last verse of In the bleak midwinter ("What can I give him?") We were in somewhat festive mood. See Sermon thread.
Holy Forever (A thousand generations falling down in worship)
The church was open for a Ride & Stride event (in aid of Kent churches) yesterday, and was decorated for the concurrent Heritage Open Days weekend, so the opportunity was also taken to hold the first Community Cafe of the autumn.
I guess FatherInCharge and the PCC decided to get several things done all on the same weekend, giving the Faithful Few a break next week...
Anyway, turnout this morning was a little lower than usual for Harvest, though some of our Indian students are back (with a new addition!). Hymns were:
Come, ye thankful people, come (St George's Windsor)
All things bright and beautiful (eponymous tune by W H Monk)
Lord's Prayer (Kumbaya
We plough the fields and scatter (Wir pfluegen)
There was also a hymn during Communion, but my Spy was administering the chalice, and rightly concentrating on that duty.
“Ancient words”.
“Lord, thy word abideth” - Ravenshaw.
“God, give me time to learn” - Kingsfold.
“Go forth and tell!" - Woodlands.
Christ is made our sure Foundation (Regent Square)
Just as I am without one Plea (Woodworth)
Rejoice the Lord is King (Gopsal)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY3F3xnFD_0
We do try to have an eclectic mix of old and newer.
Introit: Let thy merciful ears ( Weelkes)
Hymns
Christ is made the sure foundation
(Gerontius)
Take up thy cross ( Breslau)
The day thou gavest( St Clement)
Christ whose glory fills the skies ( Ratisbon)*
Lord’s Prayer ( Stone)
Anthem: God is a Spirit ( William Sterndale Bennet)
A Simple Blessing - anon.
* strange choice for end of Evensong?
Thank you!
I like it...
God is our strength and refuge (Dambusters March)
Psalm 90
Te Deum and Jubilate
Who would true valour see (Monks Gate) including hobgoblins and foul fiends!
The King O God to thee his heart to thee upraiseth (O perfect love)
I vow to thee my country (Thaxted)
Act of Remembrance and Thanksgiving
O thou within whose sure control (Melita). The Airmens' Hymn
National Anthem (in full)
A full church including plenty of uniformed organisations and extremely hearty singing. "The King O God" is in A&M Revised and I don't recall playing it before, set tune was a non starter so dedided on "O perfect love" which went down well. This sort of service and perhaps some of the more traditional sentimemts may not be agreeable to everyone these days but in country towns and villages they continue to meet a need in my experience.
Patronal Evensong (elsewhere) to mark Holy Cross Day
Onward Christian soldiers (St Gertrude)
Psalm 98
Mag and Nunc
In the cross of Christ I glory (Stuttgart)
The head that once was crowned (St Magnus)
Lift high the Cross (Crucifer)
All very nice and good singing with a cream tea following 😊
New to me as well. I like it too.
Today we had:
“Our God, Our Help in Ages Past” (Ps. 90)/ST. ANNE
“Great Is Thy Faithfulness”/FAITHFULNESS
“Be Thou My Vision”/SLANE
“Guide My Feet” (can be heard here for those not familiar with it)
At the Name of Jesus (KINGS WESTON)
God, Who Stretched the Spangled Heavens (HOLY MANNA)
Great is Thy Faithfulness (FAITHFULNESS)
"Crossing the Forth", perhaps. Or the Clyde.
Hereticks! The only tune for CIMTSF is Westminster Abbey. 😃
@Puzzler - are you sure it was Gerontius? It's a completely different metre.
CIMTSF is 87 87 87; Gerontius is 86 86 86.
Considering we had not had a practice for ten days, we didn’t do too badly at all, especially, the introit and anthem, though the Psalm was a piece of work. A pity the choir was twice the size of the congregation.
I remember Evensong at a town centre church about ten years ago. There were about 18 in the choir. In the congregation were myself (a visitor), Vicar's mother (visiting), Verger (paid to be there) and one other person.
In my childhood, c.70 years ago, at our "middle of the road" village Anglican church, the congregation at Matins on Sunday mornngss was regularly about 8 (including one churchwarden, who lived ten yards from the church door), with 20 in the choir. Evensong congregation was usually around 40.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLBF0Zb8Bs4
Agreed! I guess Piskies on both sides of the pond can come to a consensus on that one!
I was also going to say, from Anna's post, that I'm used to Rejoice the Lord is King to DARWALL, but that might be a more general pond difference.
How great thou art at the start.
Crimond for the psalm
Soul of my Saviour at Communion
I played the plainsong In Paradisum at the Commendation.
Lord of all hopefulness as the coffin was carried out.
A packed church sang lustily. A fine Christian funeral is wonderfully uplifting.
I bind unto myself (ST. PATRICK / GARTAN)
Come down, O Love divine (DOWN AMPNEY)
10,000 Reasons (Bless the Lord) Jonas Marin and Matt Redman
Be thou my vision. (BE THOU MY VISION (a modified SLANE)
Praise, my soul, the King of heaven. LAUDA ANIMA
Introit: I was glad (Parry)
Anthems: Locus iste (Bruckner), For the beauty of the earth (Rutter)
Organ: Prelude and Fugue in E flat BWV 552 J S Bach
Nun danket alle Gott BWV 657
J S Bach
Prelude on 'Rhosymedre' Vaughan Williams
Organ Sonata No 4 'Sonata Celtica' Op. 153 II. 'St Patrick's Breastplate' Stanford
Drum fanfare by pupils of the Cathedral School and Young Voices
What a Friend We Have in Jesus - CONVERSE
Be Thou My Vision - SLANE
Amazing Grace - NEW BRITAIN
Teach me, my God and King (Sandys)
From Heaven you came/The Servant King (words and music by Graham Kendrick)
When I survey the wondrous cross (probably Rockingham)
What a friend we have in Jesus (Converse)
We weren't quite so lucky at St Pete's; the first three were fine, but then we descended into a Kendrick-fest ...
Sing to God new songs of worship - Ode to Joy
Gracious Spirit, Holy Ghost - Capetown
Sing for God's glory - Lobe den Herren*
Here is bread - Here is Bread
Lord, the light of your love is shining - Shine, Jesus, Shine, during which I escaped to help set up the post-church coffee ...
* Lobe den Herren is the tune set in the Horrid Orange Book™, but to be honest, I'm not sure that whoever set it was really thinking about things like the stresses in the text; some of it, such as felt very lumpen to sing.
Just my 2p.
For some reason everywhere does this with these stresses on the words
PRAISE to the LORD the ALmighTY the KING of creAtion,
when the rhythm of the tune and the natural stresses of the words are
PRAISE to the LORD the alMIGHty the KING of creAtion.
I have no idea why.
I just want to speak the name of Jesus
God, I look to you (I will love you, Lord my strength)
King of Kings (In the darkness we were waiting without hope, without light) - a new one to me.
Yes, I wondered that. I've always sung it (and heard it sung) in the way that @Alan29 describes.
No I take it at a decent lick. I have asked other UK organists who report the same oddity.
This was the first hymn (in Swedish) at Uppsala Cathedral today - High Mass with Episcopal Consecrations - and you can hear it at about 10 minutes in:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMzy4uNIGxY&t=3923s
This would seem to be the sort of pace @Alan29 refers to, and IMHO is entirely appropriate.
(The procession included a Bevy of Bishops, and a fine Collection of Copes...).
“Immortal, invisible, God only wise” - St. Denio.
“Spirit of holiness” - Blow the wind southerly.
“Come and seek the ways of Wisdom” - Regent Square.
“God of grace and God of glory” - Rhuddlan.
“Lead us, heavenly Father, lead us” - Mannheim.
We Plough the fields and Scatter (Wir Pflügen)
Come, You Thankful People, Come (St. George's Windsor)
Let Us With A Gladsome Mind (Ever Faithful)
Great is Your faithfulness (Faithfulness)
All hail the power of Jesus’ name (Miles Lane)
O thou who camest from above ( Hereford)
O perfect love ( Strength and stay)
May the mind of Christ our Saviour ( St Leonard’s)
There’s a wideness in God’s mercy ( Cross of Jesus)
St Thomas Mass.
Only 3 sopranos, one alto, but the best organist on our rota, so good singing.
Another village church in the group
6pm Harvest Festival.
Come ye thankful people come
All creatures of our God and king
Now thank we all our God
To thee O Lord our hearts we raise
We plough the fields
Postlude : Nun danket. (Karg Elert)
All the usual tunes. I think I made a massive difference to the singing, as it is a church where nobody sings, they growl. Lovely gentle service, including a contribution from three generations of one farming, church-going family. And a superb organist, same as this morning.
Go to the World (SINE NOMINE)
O Day of Peace (JERUSALEM)
How Great Thou Art (O STORE GUD)
I always hear (and sing it) it the way Nick does; if it's in 3/4 time (or 3/2 depending on the age of your hymnal) I don't see how else it could fit.
I was once at a service led by a worship band where it was sung in 4/4 (probably because drummers can’t do 3/4)
Praise - to the / Lord - the al / migh - ty the/ king - of cre / a - - - / tion - - -
[ strum strum strum strum ]
O - my soul / praise - him for / he - is your* / health - and sal / va - - - / tion - - -
[strum strum strum strum]
And so on
*They certainly weren’t going to sing a word like “thy”